Tipping in Australia

I wanted to get peoples reasonable arguments for and against, for tipping in Australia.

Firstly, Australia's minimum wage is much higher than most countries. And in addition to this, very often the restaurateurs are forced to pay above minimum wage. Add to this the penalty rates that apply and SOME hospitality staff are very well paid on a global comparison basis.
I know some restaurateurs who struggle with the high rents and wages and barely cover their costs with food. They rely increasingly on wine to make a profit.
The issue of
a whether a tip should be expected
b if so how much?

I can work in a lower priced restaurant /bistro which is byo and typically the bill might come to $30-50 per head. Or I might work at a takeaway food place. I would be paid the same per hour. I would be working hard as the turnover of customers is quicker.
Or I could work at a high priced restaurant with an expensive wine list, far fewer clients and I would not work nearly as hard. I am also likely to be earning a higher base wage.
In the first scenario, I would be less likely to be tipped, but if I received a tip it would be for $3-5 per head on top of my likely minimum hourly rate
In the second scenario where the customer is encouraged to order expensive wine, it is not uncommon for the wine bill to be more than the food. A total bill of $150 per head is not uncommon and so a 10% tip is $15 per head on top of a higher hourly rate. Remember I am working less intensely than the waiter in the first scenario as well.

Should 10% of the bill (if at all in australia) be the expected tip REGARDLESS of how high the bill is? Or is a flat fee more appropriate?
Should we tip at all if the service is only just ok? In other words the waiter is just dumping the food on the table, and not adding anything else to your dining experience.

In recent times I have been shocked at the introduction in restaurants of the credit card terminal that specifically asks for you to enter a tip. In many cases I have observed the waiting staff not only looking at the amount as it is being entered, but also entering into a conversation about the amount that was being tipped. I find this all a bit rude and presumptive. The sense of entitlement that some of these waiters have over what is an elective gift of appreciation I personally find offensive.

Personally for the record, I will not tip in australia if I feel that the waiter has not been friendly, or has been abrupt, intrusive, or ill informed. If on the other hand , they have really added to our dining experience I am more than happy to tip. How much I tip is not related to the size of the bill. if we are eating somewhere cheap, and I feel like a tip is deserved then I will often tip more than 10%. On the other hand if the evening has been a celebration and the bill has become much bigger I am often tipping less than 10%

What do others think about the issue of tipping and the etiquette that goes with it?

Poll Options

  • 4
    I agree that a 10% tip in Australia should always apply
  • 568
    I don't agree that a 10% tip in Australia should always apply

Comments

  • +45

    Should 10% of the bill (if at all in australia) be the expected tip REGARDLESS of how high the bill is? Or is a flat fee more appropriate?

    Neither is appropriate. I tip if I get exceptional service and want to reward the wait staff / chef. Any expectation of a tip automatically makes me not want to do it.

    When I do tip for a dinner out, it's usually about 10% (somewhere around the $10-$15 range). But it's not the norm, nor should it be.

    P.S. Your poll is broken.

    • +16

      This.

      90% of the time, I.e. 'Regular, decent service' no additional extra payment.

      Exceptional service, small tip. No 'percentage amount', just a few bucks or rounding up.

      I think this is pretty standard in Australia, tipping + poverty wages for hospitality workers is an American thing and I hope it stays that way.

        • +11

          Said no one ever.

        • +3

          @Son ofa Zombie: Well, I hope your contribution to society is greater than your involvement in this forum :)

        • +23

          @Son ofa Zombie: Aw sonny, wait till you get to Economics 201. You'll change your opinion.

        • +6

          @Son ofa Zombie: I'm not sure if you even made it out of high school economics. Either that, or you picked up a Milton Friedman textbook and never bothered to update yourself on how the views of economists have evolved as empirical evidence moderates or disproves classical theory.

          Here, educate yourself:

          http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-01-14/seven-nobel-…
          http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21567072…

        • +1

          @hayne: I like you.

          Incidentally, I just realised how fitting Son ofa Zombie's username is:
          http://press.princeton.edu/titles/9702.html

        • -4

          @hayne:

          yes, love milton. Thanks for recognizing him, even if u may not agree :)

        • @Son ofa Zombie: wooosh. That's the sound of you completely missing the point of hayne's post. Lack of basic comprehension makes sense though if you still think Friedman is relevant.

        • +1

          @ordinaryboy:

          no idea why i bothered, but if you peruse zombies other comments you'll see a majority are negative troll posts. i really can't comprehend trolling.

        • @wired00: that might explain it. I'm with you, can't see the point.

      • Yeah no.
        Some pizza places pay their drivers pennies relative to other places and don't even get double time during public holidays.

  • +2

    Tipping in Australia is seen as a prevelige not a right & I only tip if I get exceptional service. Some places advertise openly that say 10% surcharge will be applied to your bill as a tip, whilst I dont agree with this practice I can at least make a descision prior to eating if I am willing to accept. With most bills paid on card and not cash these days, its becoming hard for waiters to get tips, hence the extra step in the EFTPOS system, simply notifying me of the option before it comes up I dont consider rude, but telling me I need to put something in is crossing the boundary. Some places pay their waiters minimum wage but they are allowed to keep tips, so they need them to get ahead so I dont blame some for asking or implying. Its a tough industry and for the majority a fairly thankless job.

    • +2

      It would be interesting to find out how this 10% surcharge shows on the books is it even distributed or is it a way to reduce tax?

    • +9

      I deliver goceries for one of the big two. I get a tip when i least expect it and usually from people that aren't that well off. The rich suburbs never tip at all regardless. I feel awkard when someone offers a tip. Seems rude not to accept and greedy if i do.

      • ARGH, sorry! I accidentally negged you. Dammit :( +1, +1.

      • +1

        Thank them and accept the tip, and say is was a pleasure to deliver to wonderful people. That way everyone has a smile on their face, and the world is a better place.

  • +6

    I'll only tip on exceptional service AND if the tip goes directly to the waiter/waitress.
    If it goes in the "kitty" to be divided out, then no, as I've heard many stories of the boss raking off a big chunk and then given the dregs out.

    • +4

      How can you know if the tip goes to the waiter or in the kitty?

    • +5

      I dined at a fancy restaurant with my gf a couple of months ago, and the waiter who served us went beyond the call of duty, in my opinion. ie. fantastic service, also managed to swing us some free desserts. As a result, we wanted to give him(and just him) a tip, which is rare in my case as I almost never tip in Australia. As I wasn't sure if the tip went directly to him or gets put into a pool to be divvied up later, decided to pull the good ole cash in my palm tip :) We had already paid for the meal on credit card, and didn't add a tip on there as didn't know where that was going to end up, then I folded a $20 dollar note and placed in my hand, and as we left, I thanked him for the great service and shook his hand and he discreetly took the note during the handshake while thanking us for our patronage. Went smooth like butter :)

      • +4

        Why do you make it sound so sleazy?

        • +6

          Because most of the exceptional service was provided in the mens toilet

        • +6

          Probably because, if you're a speed-reader like me who tends to pick up on only a few key words in a big chunk of writing like that, these phrases might've stood out:

          "waiter who served us", "went beyond the call of duty", "managed to swing us", "decided to pull the good ole", "placed in my hand", "thanked him for the great service", "smooth like butter"

          Speed-reading can change the context of a story entirely o_O

        • +4

          @teardrops21:

          And he got more than "just the tip".

  • +2

    In recent times I have been shocked at the introduction in restaurants of the credit card terminal that specifically asks for you to enter a tip. In many cases I have observed the waiting staff not only looking at the amount as it is being entered, but also entering into a conversation about the amount that was being tipped. I find this all a bit rude and presumptive. The sense of entitlement that some of these waiters have over what is an elective gift of appreciation I personally find offensive.

    Where have you been? This is just the electronic version of the box that used to appear back in the days of paper chits. It's probably something the establishment elected to have when setting up a CC payment facility. Yes it's rude if the staff watch while you enter the amount but it probably gets printed on the receipt anyway and they can read it then so I don't know why they are so untactful about it. Maybe you're right, it is a sense of entitlement. Maybe one day they'll get uppity and say, no that's not enough. In that case take your custom elsewhere.

    • I have only just started to notice it. I think it may be related to the wireless keypads v the paper chits as you say

      • It IS related to the requirement for PINs to be entered and terminals being updated. I had a chat with a waiter at a restaurant recently where we did decide to tip after receiving exceptional service. He brought the bill over and then left it discreetly. The restaurant's bill itself already had space for a tip (unusual, because typically the line for the tip appears on the credit card receipt). I saw it, wrote down a tip, and he then took it away and entered it into the terminal, then gave us the terminal for me to enter my PIN.

        He asked us for our feedback on how that worked, because the alternative was to ask us for a tip at the point where I was entering in my PIN, which he felt was intrusive and awkward. I thought that process worked fine.

  • +2

    I've noticed the EFTPOS system tip screen a few times lately, however each time the person with the machine has said something along the lines of "feel free to enter a tip if you would like, otherwise just press enter"

    To be honest, I have no idea what happens if I was to enter a tip - does it go to the staff member who served me, is it split between all the staff, does the restaurant just pocket it as extra revenue?

    • I think that as the CC amount goes to the boss, they could possibly pocket it. So there's an advantage in tipping in cash if deserved.

    • It is totally at the discretion of the business.

      The EFTPOS terminals can certainly print out an itemised list of all purchases + tips separately, or print out all the tips for a specific staff member (server ID), but it's still up to the business what to do with that information.

  • +35

    Why should we be tipping in Australia? There should not be a flat fee or percentage standard. By law (not counting cash in hand staff), Australian wait staff are paid a very reasonable minimum wage, compared to places like the US, where tips are required for waiters to survive!

    I say no to tipping in Australia. Unless, you have received amazing service, then you can decide whether to tip or not.

  • +20

    Be thankful that we don't have the US system where they are paid pitiful wages and then left to beg for the rest.
    I tip when it is deserved.

    from The-Mal above..
    " Any expectation of a tip automatically makes me not want to do it."
    Amen!

    • -3

      I'll be happier with the US system.

      Great meal, great service and I'll tip 10-15%. Total cost to eat out is much cheaper than here, and with better service.

      Poor meal or poor service. I won't tip. Total cost to eat out is significantly cheaper than here, I won't return, nor would you dare to! lol

      • +1

        But if their tips were paid into fair wages in the first place, you'd end up with it still being cheaper to eat there than here. Overall price is not an argument for the introduction of that system.

        Their service is not better. It's roughly the same. If you do a bad job - wherever you work, you get fired. That's not specific to hospitality. The tipping system is just a stupid guilt trip on the customer to pay the staff instead of their employer.

        And if you ever don't-tip in the USA, you're a prick. That's literally making someone work for nothing. And you'll not be making your point. If you leave no tip, you're an ignorant foreigner. If you want to send a message that the service was bad, you leave them a 10% tip.

        • "If you want to send a message that the service was bad, you leave them a 10% tip." - This is correct. In the US, normal practice is to tip at least 15-20%, and if service is bad, you leave a 10% tip.

          If everyone was doing what JB1 is doing(ie. tip 10-15% or nothing) and thought that was normal for the US, no wonder we(Australians) have a reputation as bad tippers

        • +2

          @Kenb0: I lived in the US for a couple of years and I know of people who were chased down the street after a meal for not leaving a tip.

          I find it fundamentally objectionable that the going rate is that the expectation is that if you get terrible service, you leave a 10% tip.

          Not only that, but the tipping culture then begins to permeate the rest of the culture. I was told by my American friends that it used to be that a 10% tip was the standard. Then it became 15%. Now it's 15-20%. Some places will now automatically add a 17.5% tip to the bill, which completely undermines the idea of tipping if you get better service. At a bar, you're usually expected to tip at least $1 per drink. If you don't, good luck getting served by the bar staff next time you go up for a round. They will make a point of ignoring you.

          So you don't want it to start, because it can only get worse from here.

        • +1

          Admittedly it's been a few years since I've been to the US, but back then 10-15% was normal. With the exception of NY, where I would tip 20-25%

          Bullshit, the service by waitstaff is in general infinitely better than here at normal restaurants in the US(on par with fine dining establishments here).

          I'm a great customer- undemanding, courteous and patient. If the waitstaff have done a terrible job, why would I still tip them 10%. Think about it. They (profanity) up their job and still want a tip? As you said 'The tipping system is just a stupid guilt trip on the customer to pay the staff instead of their employer' If you give me terrible service, I won't feel guilty about giving you squat. I think that will make bigger point than giving them 10%.

        • @hayne: Yah, thats pretty common when people not in the know, or from countries where tipping is not the norm, don't leave a tip at the end of the meal.

          I too don't agree with the going practice that if you get terrible service that you leave a 10% tip to show your displeasure. However while I don't agree with it, I do realise that's the way it works in the US, and without the tips(for good or bad service), the service people are woefully underpaid. I just try to think of it as the equivalent of the GST, it just needs to be added to bill at the end.

          My personal preference would be to tip only for good service and for tips not to be mandatory as part of common practice. Works fine here in Australia as our minimum wage is enough remuneration, but doesn't work in the US. When in Rome, do as the Romans do I guess.

        • @JB1:
          I dont agree that tipping is some premeditated guilt trip by the owner. I really dont think that owners think that way. They are happy if the staff are getting tips because it is a sign of appreciation and therefore a good reflection overall on the restaurant. win win.

          But sometimes it is the staff that go on a guilt trip path, especially with this new terminal tip entry. Not good. I am sure that if owners realised how much it is backfiring on the customers perception of their restaurant, that they would change it as it becomes a lose lose .

  • +71

    I think tipping is completely stupid. The person responsible for paying employees should be the employer, not the consumer, thus, they need to factor in the costs of employees in the prices of the products they charge, OR, record what is a fair amount for "service" on the receipt.

    Do you tip your doctors at a hospital when they've gone out of their way to care for you? No.

    Do you tip your supermarket cashier? No.

    Do you tip your bank teller? No.

    Do you tip your kids' teachers if they've been doing a good job? No.

    Do you tip your lawyer? No, you pay what's on the bill.

    It should be the same in all industries, especially in the food industry where the culture, especially in the US, needs to change. The person responsible for paying employees properly and fairly should be the employer. When an employee does a good job, the employer needs to realise that and give them a pay rise.

    When I go to work, I don't demand that the end customer somehow sees I'm putting in a good effort and gives me some extra cash to take home, I work hard to get a pay rise from the boss.

    That's how things should work - the costs of hiring employees need to be considered by the business owners and that cost can be passed onto the end customer. The argument that tips are required for waiters to survive is completely stupid. Instead of relying on the goodwill of customers, charge what needs to be charged to pay these waiters a fair and reasonable wage and spread the burden equally and fairly on all customers.

    • +33

      LOL. Can't help to laugh when I think of my beloved second country. In Vietnam:

      Do you tip bribe your doctors at a hospital when they've gone out of their way to care for you? Yes.

      Do you tip bribe your supermarket cashier? Yes.

      Do you tip bribe your bank teller? Yes.

      Do you tip bribe your kids' teachers if they've been doing a good job? Yes.

      Do you tip bribe your lawyer? OH HELL YES

    • I dont agree that the restaurateur should be in any way responsible for the tipping as you seem to be saying in your first sentence. In fact many are already paying way above the odds to their staff.
      The waiting staff are just double dipping in many cases. But I cant blame them for trying. It just gets annoying if there is attitude coming back at you is you dont tip

      • +5

        I never said that. I think you've misunderstood me, though I think we're agreeing. I'm just saying that tipping is stupid and that the employer should be paying the staff, not the end customer. Essentially, I believe there should be no such thing as 'tipping'.

    • -1

      I feel like your not comparing the same things…

      • +5

        How so?

        If a waiter goes out of their way to help you out and provide you with nice service, how is that any different to a teacher staying back after class to help your kid with some school work he doesn't understand?

        Both of those actions are people going beyond the requirements of their job to make sure that others are happy. The people who should be rewarding these actions are the employers. If a teacher consistently goes out of their way to help students, they should be recognised and given a pay rise for working hard and being passionate about their job.

        The same thing should happen with waiters, if they do a good job and drum up more business for the owner, then they should get a pay rise.

        The end customer should never come into the equation, plain and simple. The owner of a restaurant charges the customer a flat amount for dinner, within that flat amount, the owner must make sure that he can pay his rent, pay his utilities, pay his employees, pay for his materials, pay for building maintenance…etc. and of course, make a profit for himself.

        It's not the customer's business to be paying the owner's employees, just like it's not a student's business to be paying his teachers for staying back and helping him.

        • -6

          You see a doctor when you're sick, it's not suppose to or does not need to be an enjoyable 'thing'.

          A dinner on the other hand…

          Edit: btw my point being, an enjoyable experience for yourself. Maybe like a tour guide making your 'holiday' exceptional, you can tip etc.

        • +5

          @bao28: That's simply an emotional/cultural argument though, you're tipping a waiter for doing more than what's required (which, as a result, gives you 'enjoyment'), but in other professions, when they do more than what's required, you don't tip.

          You haven't addressed my main point though, which is why should the end customer be responsible for paying the restaurant owner's employees?

        • -6

          @paulsterio:
          I'm not here to address your main point. I'm just saying you're comparing different things.

          You seem to be missing my point. Maybe you don't enjoy eating or more specifically dining out. I guess that's where our differences are, hence different ways of looking at things.

        • +4

          @bao28:

          Bao, if you go to movies for 'enjoyment', do you tip the cashier if they took the extra mile to explain to you which movie they recommend is good?

          if you go to wet n wild for 'enjoyment', do you tip the cashier for explaining to you which ride they recommend is good?

          if you go kfc for 'enjoyment', do you tip if they tell you their secret eleven herbs and spices recipe?

        • -6

          @z3289598:

          Thats a pretty short mile… but lets say they came in the cinema all while i was watching a movie, crouched down and gave me a

          Foot massage and/or head message, yeah, why not.

          You said it yourself, it's about going that extra mile. Not few cms

        • @bao28:

          You said it yourself, it's about going that extra mile. Not few cms

          How can a person serving food go an extra mile?

          A teacher staying back to help a student after class is "going that extra mile" much more than a waiter who's simply being nice to you.

        • @paulsterio:

          How can a person serving food go an extra mile?

          In a lot of ways. I once worked at a gelato store and I delivered an ice cream cake 3 blocks down to a marketing firm that was having planning a surprise birthday present for their manager. I proposed this idea to the client and I did it free of charge.

          I had a restaurant manager who went out of his way to buy streamers and balloons for a kids party and had to pay out of his own pocket because the customer had forgotten to specify they wanted decorations for the venue.

          So yes, you can go an extra mile in any sort of job you do —- not that I'm saying neither of those instances would guarantee a customer's tip, but you can still exceed their expectations. If you were only acting according to script and only thought of your bottom line when doing your job, then you either don't care about the work you do or you're lacking a good sense of what is excellent customer service.

        • @bao28:

          you dont make sense. So you saying we should tip when they go the mile not the cm. In the case of the restaurant, im assuming you would tip the waiter if they explain the dishes etc. Couldn't I call that only a cm?

          by your logic, sure.. if the waiter came over, dropped his food on the ground and start giving me a foot massage while I eat, then yea i'll tip. You're just going for unlikely events and plain obnoxious.

          sure, if hot waitress gives me a bj,i'll tip 2 bucks

  • +13

    Fair dinkum aussies do not tip, [never have] we are not influenced by rich yanks who tip in usa.

    • We r richr

    • +10

      My husband and I have been on two trips to the US in the past five years, and we would be very reluctant to go again if not for family reasons. The tipping mindset they have there is so entrenched, people expect tips as standard so they no longer make the effort to do their jobs right. But you would feel sorry for the rut that they're in. Tipping works against these poor people, because the corporations benefit from not paying them the correct wage. The gap between the rich and the poor in the US is huge. Hoping that tipping is not encouraged in this great country of ours, where smiles are more sincere and good service is genuine. Rich or poor, you get served or treated the same…Travelling the world is enjoyable but Australia is the best to come home to.

      • It may be entrenched, and it may not necessarily encourage better service. But you ignore the point that they get payed WAY LOWER wages to start with and therefore need the tips.

        • +3

          Yes, I am aware of the fact that they get lower wages. Thankfully, there is growing support in the US to raise the minimum wage, which is being strongly opposed by the big corporations. Their economy is recovering quite well, and yet big business refuses to share the prosperity.

  • +3

    Note that while Australia has a higher minimum wage, lots of Chinese waiters/waitresses are actually illegally paid half the minimum wage, some as low as $6-7 an hour.

    • +57

      To be blunt. That is not my problem, if they're working illegally, they shouldn't, if they're working legally, that's below minimum wage and the employer can be reported, if they chose to go ahead then it's not up to me to save the day.

    • +8

      Some chinese restaurants don't have a tip system. If you decide to 'tip' them by leaving more cash at the counter, that is just going to go straight to the business owner's pockets, the Chinese waiter who served you won't be getting any of it.

      Source - had friends work at a Chinese restaurant, their wages were at or below min but never got tips

      • +2

        If its the owner that handles the cash at the counter, dont tip there. But give the tip directly to the waiter who served you. I worked at one before, we handled the cash so we splited the tips evenly, unless customer noted its for you only - we didn't have a tip system btw.

    • +2

      So if they're illegally paid, do they illegally choose to not report their income?

      • +2

        Idk about the staff. But I know some owners illegally report the income paid. Eg. you work for 6 hours at $10/hr, therefore you get $60 cash. But they only report that you worked 3 hours at $20/hr to the ATO.

        Im not saying you should or shouldn't tip them, but keep in mind that because they're often abused by the bosses, the waiters do things behind the bosses back to make it up. If you're nice to the waiters, they might actually slip you a free drink or 'forget' to mark your dish, have had this experience plenty of times and I dont mind tipping a little for that.

        • 6 hours at $10/hr, therefore you get $60 cash. But they only report that you worked 3 hours at $20/hr to the ATO.

          Forgive my ignorance, but what's the point of that?

        • +2

          @johnno07:

          That you should've been paid $120 for the night instead if $60? They also tax dodge?

        • +1

          @JLove:
          Ohh sorry I misunderstood. I didn't realise you were talking about getting around paying below minimum wage. Carry on! :)

        • +1

          @johnno07: The outgoings in the accounts still state $60 gross was paid in wages, the difference being 6 hours at $10 is illegal on the employers part whereas 3 hours at $20 isn't.

  • +4

    We had similar discussion on tipping in Oct 2013 — worth checking that out, although I don't think the view of the community has changed.

  • +3

    Tipping here is a useless exercise. It won't get your better service. The mentality for tipping is not the same as in the US.

    • i wouldn't call it useless, its wrong to compare it to the u.s , but it servers a purpose here.

  • +22

    The absolute last thing we want in this country is the introduction of tipping, tipping expectation or tipping culture.
    It is entirely unnecessary and just leads to ugly awkwardness.
    I feel quite strongly about this.
    If you want to reward some exceptional service there are ways to do so without tipping becoming a 'thing'.

  • +3

    I only ever tip to round up to $5 (and only when paying by cash).

    • That's heaps. Most customers at my work just tip their change (coins), and I work in a rich suburb.

  • +7

    It's important to separate excellent service and excellent meal.

    In my younger years when I worked in a restaurant I was trained by someone who worked extensively in high end restaurants in Italy and his etiquettes are second to none. Because of some background I am always fascinated by wait person's behaviours.

    Low to mid range restaurants I have little expectation of service standards, the wait person is fulfilling their job requirement, I do not owe them anything. As with all things there's difference between getting the job done and doing it well. Most if not all of these restaurant has a person learning from another of equal calibre.

    Higher grade establishments I expect the higher standards of service, when I don't get it they're not doing their job, when they do, they're deserving of the money that they're getting paid. Excellent service is of course subjective, not everyone cares that the specials is read from memory instead of pad, drinks to be filled from the right hand side of the person sitting down, etc.

    Good meal are dime in a dozen, whilst excellent meal is a rare find, when I experience that, I go and thank the chef personally, it's a much more appropriate way of expressing your gratification, the wait person did nothing to contribute to it.

  • +2

    We have a high minimum wage for a reason. I don't tip.

    • I tip depending on situation.

      Fast Food style restaurants - No tip as they virtually give you no service at all.
      Fine Dining - I generally tip, as they generally provide a service instead of just chucking the food on your table. Like some places they'd actually explain whats in the dish and how you eat it, then I'd tip.

      Depending on the place, my tip is generally round off my bill to a even number e.g. $28 goes to $30 etc.
      Max i usually ive is $2 per head capped at $10 lol. Yes i'm a stingy tipper. haha

  • I feel no need to tip in Australia the way I do in the US, for example. In the US if diners don't tip, there's a good chance the server mightn't eat that night.

    I don't think there should be any fixed tip in Australia. Personally I always round up and will add 10-15% if the service/meal was good.

    • +1

      I thought the law was that if tips don't make their wage up to x amount, the employer has to top it up.

      • I've never heard of that law. I think it's just, if you're having a slow night then too bad.

        When you think about it, it's a way of shifting the risk off the business owner onto the employees - except that they get very little reward for the risk. Lower overheads for the business owner, higher fluctuations in income for the (often lowly paid) employees.

        • No, that law exists in the US. Whether its enforced or not is another thing…. And most people working the jobs there will balance either 1) complaining about it, getting the law enforced and then invariably be left without a job or 2) sucking it up and keeping that job, and usually pick option (2).

  • +4

    No to tipping! The poll couldn't be stronger, 72 say no tipping, 2 say "im a troll"

  • +3

    I would tip if the customer service is on par with the Japanese.

    • +9

      And the Japanese don't even accept tips for their excellent service

      • +1

        they always count your change in front of you.

      • +2

        and they usually don't even directly take the money from your hands, as it's considered rude…

        I've had to put it on a tray and was asked to put it on the side (with a lovely warm smile and soft gentle, grateful gesture), where the waitress then picked it up. Change was then directly handed to me I think. But this was in Sydney. I've never been to Japan but read that it was the same over there.

        True?

        I thought it was extremely overly polite (in a nice way). As if they'd feel guilty for grabbing the cash from my hand lol. I felt like such an fumbling, ungraceful barbarian of a female next to the girl serving me. She was so dainty..

  • +9

    Tipping in Australia.

    Australia says no!

  • +7

    I used deliver pizzas in uni - the most common deal was 19.90. so you can imagine I'd run low on 10c coins towards the end of the night………..and yeah - I'd have to make a special trip back to their house to drop off the 10c………….

    • +1

      See, that I wouldn't care about. Some cents or a couple of dollars, I'm not to worried. What a joke.

    • +8

      If this was a frequent occurrence, why didn't you just carry sufficient 10c coins? I mean even a hundred is only$10.

  • Nope, not 'murrica

  • +6

    You're asking about tipping in a forum that is all about bargains and being tight.

    Obviously you'll get a very biased opinion.

    • +8

      Your also asking a country whose culture and minimum wage has been established so that tipping isn't required.

      I'd consider that a larger factor.

    • +2

      Not necessarily.

      To be careful with money does not make you an ungenerous person, nor an unfair one.

      I think you'd find a lot of people here to be very generous. I also think that you'd find that most people here would tip if they knew that their server's basic wage depended on it, as is in the case of the US.

  • +3

    With the forced tip screen on EFTPOS, when I have felt comfortable to ask the wait staff about it, they say it actually reduces tips (ie people feel more comfortable writing a tip than typing it).

    I will admit the first time they did it, I typed my PIN into the tip window and luckily they had limits…

    • I pay by card almost 90% of the time i eat out, and I never pay tips via EFTPOS. To me it feels like the tip is gonna go into the restaurants pocket not the actual waiters. So i pay EFTPOS then toss money into the bowl or bill

    • +10

      Basically pretty much all of them is just leaning towards being stingy and not feeling the need to tip because the person already has a wage therefore why should you be paying them more.

      It's not being stingy. Do you go around tipping everyone you come into contact with? No. It's not a customer's responsibility to be paying an employee's wages.

      In reality tipping is actually a good thing, imagine a place which has a good tipping history e.g. fine dining restaurants, you generally get ALOT better service there than for example a crappy fast food restaurant. Tipping makes them happy which in turn make you a return customer happy. You wouldn't want to go to a place where the person never gets tips, and they simply and rudely throw the dish on the table.

      Fine dining places would also be paying their waiters more than a crap restaurant would. They're getting paid already to offer a higher level of service.

      Their job = Bring you food. Tips add to their job description "Be nice to the customer" lol.

      No it doesn't. If they are providing exceptional service, they are drumming up business for the restaurant owner, as more customers are likely to return, since the restaurant owner gets more business, he should give the waiter a pay rise for doing a good job. That's how it works in every other industry. You do a good job, you get a fatter pay cheque. Why is the restaurant industry different?

      Also the minimum wage in Australia is $16.87/hr however I can confidently tell you that quite a lot of restaurants do not give anywhere close to that amount. Most of them border around $10-12/hr then rip you off by saying we will provide you with meals.

      Again, the onus is not on the end customer to have to deal with illegal activities perpetrated by the business owners. That's between the business owner, the waiter and the regulatory bodies. An end customer comes to a restaurant to buy dinner, the costs associated with bringing that dinner to the customer and making them satisfied needs to be borne by the business owner. These costs include more than employees, it also includes the cost of materials, utilities, rent…etc.

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