Vaya Mobile Security Deposit - $20 added to bill (refundable at end of service)

Just got the following email from Vaya

Hi there

Here at Vaya, we work hard to always deliver you the best possible product at the best possible price. >It's what our mission has been since we first launched Vaya in 2011. As we've grown we've managed to keep >our prices low in the face of an ever changing environment, to make sure we always deliver on our mission >statement. Currently we enjoy not only having the best value mobile plans available today, but also the >best value NBN and soon, ADSL2+ services too!

As we've grown, we've enjoyed providing mobile service for all of our customers, unfortunately, there's a >small amount of customers who use the service without intending to pay. Here at Vaya HQ in Brisbane, we've >had debates about best way to tackle this problem, not just from our side, but from your side, our >customers. The obvious solution would be to simply increase the cost of our plans to accommodate a certain >percentage of non-payment, like retail stores do, which effectively means each of our customers (i.e., >you) would have to pay more to cover the customers who don't want to pay. We didn't want to do this and we >aren't.

Instead, we've decided to opt for, like some of our competitors, a once-off, refundable Security Deposit >of $20 per mobile service. This Security Deposit will be required of all of our customers, at a rate of >$20 per mobile service, and will be drawn from your nominated payment source along with your next bill >payment (this month). We will only apply the Security Deposit in the event of non-payment of your monthly >invoice or on your final invoice (should you ever decide to leave Vaya). In the event of having it applied >to your final invoice for your final service, any remaining balance will be directly refunded to you.

This change has been implemented in accordance with our term and conditions and within the >Telecommunication Consumer Protections Code. Should you have any further questions or concerns, please >visit vaya.net.au to read through our FAQs and relevant forum posts.

Kindest regards,

The Team at Vaya

TL;DR Every customer will get $20 put on their next bill, which is refunded when you leave Vaya. If you miss a payment (or I assume, underpay) they will take it out of that $20.

It sounds like lots of people defaulting. I'd rather they reward customers who have been with them for 6+ months with perfect payment records to be exempt from this, but it doesn't look like that's happening.

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Comments

  • +37

    No, it looks like they're scamming subscribers for $20.
    What's the bet you have to chase them up for the refund when you leave?

    • +28

      Or they go under, taking your $20 with them.

  • +5

    You get what you pay for, and when I signed up in Jan the first month of $18 was charged when it was supposed to be free, I had to call them to get it refunded. This is nothing but a bullshit scam of $20, no choice but to suck it up until something better comes along for the price.

    • +2

      I was told that the free 'first' month is applied at your final month.

      Anyhow, they are scum. They treat you like you don't know how to think.

  • +10

    Same with live connected.

    But the thing is, they already owe me $20 since I also paid a $20 refundable deposit when I signed up years ago.

    • +2

      Well at least you'll now have more incentive to chase them up for that $40 they'll owe you.
      I didn't even bother trying when I left LC..
      For $20 it wasn't worth my time and it was still a bargain for the 2 years I was with them.

      • +1

        And this is what they are hoping for, people dont chase them up.

    • +3

      Me too, but they act like they have never heard of it. Its years into Vaya taking over my Live Connected contract now and there must be thousands and thousands of us who were there from the start and who paid the $20 refundable deposit at the start. They would have heard this so many times from customers and yet each time you mention it… yep, never heard of it.

  • +9

    Imagine the amount of interest they're going to earn if they have like 10,000 customers or so…..

    • +1

      As at June 2013 they had around 70,000 customers. See http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/463503/vaya_acquires…

      • +3

        Jackpot!

      • +3

        Not a bad pay day for Vaya. Cruisy $1.4m dollars worth of "security deposits"

        • +3

          Not a bad pay day for Vaya. Cruisy $1.4m dollars worth of "security deposits"

          NO, $2.6 million.

          In Ben's return to the Whirlpool forum today he did not deny that this amount was correct.

        • +1

          @A3Australia: haha, what defense would he even have? Surprised he would even bother trying to mend relationships on whirlpool.

        • @hahaboy: All he seems to be doing on there is insulting people (some of whom are admittedly also insulting him) and generally being an arsehat.

          His general stance regarding the legitimacy of what Vaya is doing has been "We believe we're allowed to do this and we don't have to justify it to any of you."

        • @lint:

          His general stance regarding the legitimacy of what Vaya is doing has been "We believe we're allowed to do this and we don't have to justify it to any of you."

          Isn't that correct though?

        • @eug:

          Not if you read the TCP Code.

        • @lint:

          All he seems to be doing on there is insulting people

          Maybe why he is now in the Whirlpool Penalty Box.

        • @A3Australia:
          Speaking of which. Do you go by a different handle on wp now, A3? I remember you used to post on there quite often

        • @YesPleaseThankYou:

          Not if you read the TCP Code.

          Is the TCP Code voluntary or a legal requirement?

  • +6

    This is a bit naff on their long term users, been with them two years now and on their $11.00 data plan, which has been excellent service - cant see why with my loyal service they have to fleece $20.00 off me now - could understand it being for new customers - worst thing is I have two accounts means $40.00 this month not happy :-( used to recomend them as well!!!.

    Looks like sucking it up for now until something better comes along!!!

    poor service vaya

    • +1

      someone want to post this it to their Facebook page - so I can like it!!! NOT

      • +6

        someone want to post this it to their Facebook page - so I can like it!!! NOT

        Any real complaints do not last long. Ben removes them, and often also bans the person who posted the comment. I look at night (after 6pm), make a note of the complaints, then in the morning (after around 8am-9am Brisbane time) I check again and see the complaints have disappeared.

        • +7

          I've been banned from commenting on the Vaya page for quite a while now since I left a complaint up there. I abuse them on Twitter now.

          I didn't think too much of this until I thought about it a bit more and realised it may really be a cynical attempt for Vaya to grab some more cash, indicating they aren't doing so well financially. They are still holding on to my $200 deposit from activating roaming a while ago. Really tempted to up sticks and leave but at $11 per month for $650 worth of calls and a gig and a half of data, I really can't find any other comparable plan!

        • @xyron: Me too…$11.00 is excellent wonder if they will force us to drop it?

        • +1

          @raowler: Well everyone who got close to the 24 months did. In October they added a monthly charge ($10) to grandfather the plan, for anyone who signed up on or before Jan 2013. Do you think they will let some get charged and others not. ( plan effectively cost $21 a month)

          You may believe in Fairy's but I don't.

        • +1

          @RockyRaccoon: I had heard about this mythical $10 fee to grandfather the plan but had not encountered any correspondence myself about it. Regardless of whether they do demand an extra $10 per month to grandfather the plan, I'll be moving to SpinTel ASAP. Been looking for a plan that provided more data anyway, and I like the flexibility of SpinTel :)

        • @RockyRaccoon:

          The only reason you would want to stick with $11 plan by paying $10 extra (effectively paying $21) instead of moving $18 plan is that you will still have per KB billing on 3G/4G usage and Social access (FB/Twitter) will be free. I realised that only after I chose to move to $18 plan, when they asked addition $10/month to keep $11 plan.

  • +14

    Vaya customers paid $20 when they joined (supposedly as a "SIM fee") - plus they pay a month in advance. Now another $20 as a "Security Deposit"?

    It is already difficult to get them to return the credit for the month paid for in advance, and it can take weeks for it to be actually paid back. Now customers will have to argue for the return of their "Security Deposit" as well.

    I would be worried that this is a sign that Ben and family are planning to pay themselves some salary bonuses, asset strip, and then appoint an administrator.

  • +3

    Hearing this I am so happy I gave Vaya the flick last year.

    If you must stay with them pay up, otherwise do the sensible thing and move on.

    • +3

      I thnik moving on will be at the forefront of most people…anyone geot any recomendations?

      • +2

        I've moved onto GT Mobile. They have pretty cheap rates and use the Telstra 3G network so never had any issues.

        • Never heard of GT Mobile.. They look too good to be true! ANd the website looks a bit dodgy.
          No Flagfall on calls, 9c/min to landline, 12c/min to mobile, no monthly fee, $10/month for 2Gb (or $5/500mb or $25/5Gb).

          Can't find out how long a recharge lasts, presuming 30 days.

          $10/month for 2Gb plus $10/month (minimum recharge) calls and text on Telstra Wholesale Network sounds brilliant if that's the way it works. 500mb 1Gb better than Telechoice.

        • @scubacoles: Likewise I spent some time looking into this.

          1. Its run by Lycamobile
          2. Appears credit's don't expire on the PAYG plan
          3. Like all low cost suppliers there are some negative reviews of both Lycamobile and GT
          4. Free sim so have ordered and will trial it before ordering another and transferring my mobile to it.
          5. No option of nano sim, so if it works in old handset, will have to find out if they have a nano sim, cutting sims down are more tricky with nanos
        • @RockyRaccoon:

          Like all low cost suppliers there are some negative reviews of both Lycamobile and GT

          Unlike some, I have no great expectations of good customer service from these Budget Carriers. I believe you get what you pay for, especially when you're not paying much.

          Appears credit's don't expire on the PAYG plan

          So for my minimal call usage, it's sounding even better..
          Probably get away with $15/month.

        • @scubacoles: Maybe we could put a question into the mobile forum to see if anyone has some experiences. I'll do that now

          https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/181775

  • +4

    Pretty poor form even if you have a direct debit set up. Another example of poor service is there $200 security deposit for activating global roaming. First time it took me 3 months to get my deposit back and only last month activated it again but low and behold they didn't activate the service whilst I was o/s. Emails to them from o/s proved pointless. Customer service non existent. Another money grab obvioulsy for cash flow purposes.

    • +2

      I had the total opposite situation of you Sterio, I never activated roaming yet when I went to New Zealand I still got charged roaming fees. Took me nearly a month for Vaya to waive the charges.

      • +1

        How about this one. Haven't left Melbourne in the last 12 months yet on one bill, got charged roaming fees of a few dollars.

    • 3 months to get it back huh, did you go to the TIO?

  • +9

    Pretty poor form even if you have a direct debit set up.

    The ONLY way to join Vaya is to give them permission to charge your credit/debit card account. Yes, one can pay by other means - BUT the credit/debit card payment method remains open for them to charge against.

    Ben is a liar. This is a cash grab.

    • +5

      Yes, massive cash injection.
      All their customers x$20. I wonder if they are in the poo financially. IE we all kick in $20 then they fold a bit later.

  • +10

    From the Live Connected Support Forum:-

    Adam Verrender
    said 37 minutes ago

    Will Live Connected also be refunding the interest accrued on these deposits, as required by section 6.4.1e of the Telecommunications Consumer Protection Code?

    Aiko
    said 24 minutes ago

    Hi Adam,

    Thank you for your enquiry.

    Where feasible, yes.

    • +13

      A pig just flew past my window!

      • +7

        It is not feasible for a pig to fly

        • +1

          It can be in a $2.6 million jet.

    • +4

      Pretty much says everything it needs to.

      They never had any plans to use it as a security deposit, so never any consideration for following the TCP in this manner.

  • +3

    As per this code
    http://www.commsalliance.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/…

    6.4b requires consent before enactment of the security deposit. I think that means you can choose not to participate but that means they will refuse service.

  • +6

    Been with Vaya for some time now. Used to recommend them to most people even after they charged me $10 for incorrectly trying to direct debit bank details that I never entered. But with all the reports lately**, its just getting more and more dodgy. Seems to me like this ship is starting to sink.

    ** the kb metering?? and now this?

    • +2

      charged me $10 for incorrectly trying to direct debit bank details

      Exactly the same thing happened to me also.

      Complained to them via email and NOTHING. No replies or anything.

      Totally ignored me.

      • +2

        Exactly the same thing happened to me also.
        Complained to them via email and NOTHING. No replies or anything.
        Totally ignored me.

        This is AWAYS what Ben does. You have to get your bank/card issuer to reverse the payment AND you must open a case with the TIO (you have already tried to settle the matter by contacting Vaya, with no reply).

  • +5

    3 family members use vaya, this is just an excuses. We pay in advanced and IMO it's impossible for customer to running away. suck..

  • +10

    I've been with Vaya almost two years, the $11 plan on a 24-mth contract. I've personally never had problems with them and found it to be amazing value for money. While I have seen many complain, I have always been very happy. However, I have serious misgivings about this.

    • As it is, Vaya bills are paid in advance. When you pay your plan fee on the 15th of each month you are paying not for the month that just passed, but the month you are currently in. So if we are already prepaying them, why are they needing a further prepayment in the form of this deposit?
    • This is now the second one-off fee Vaya has implemented in the past few weeks, first the "unlocking" of kb billing, and now this.
    • Myself and I assume most others are on a direct debit with Vaya, money is taken automatically without any effort from us. This should prevent most cases of people forgetting to pay, etc. Once again, what is the purpose of this?
    • We have been provided with only 11 days notice of this change. I believe the contract we have signed requires a minimum of 21 days notice.

    So in summary, I'm starting to wonder if everything is ok at Vaya. Hopefully it's just the way I'm seeing it, and they aren't in any trouble financially. I'll have to think about whether I stay or move once my contract runs out. In the event they do close down, I hope Optus has some system in place to ensure we can transfer our number out and not lose it.

    • +1

      Hi, where did you hear about the the fee to 'unlock' kb billing? Never heard of this option.

      • +2

        Hi, where did you hear about the the fee to 'unlock' kb billing? Never heard of this option.

        It is on the Vaya Facebook page, and an email announcing the offer was sent to all customers (both present and past).

        Unfortunately, there were no Terms and Conditions. Also, there was false and misleading information giver by Ben and by Vaya Support on the Vaya Support Forum.

        At first it was asserted that there was a one-off fee of $25 to activate per KB 'billing'. This one time fee was supposedly inclusive of a $10 1GB Bolt-on which would be applied for the first month of per KB billing. After this the customers were supposedly permitted to remove the 1GB Bolt-On and would continue to receive per KB billing.

        This was then changed. Posts on both the Vaya Facebook page, and in the Vaya Support Forum, were removed. Some posts on the Vaya Whirlpool thread were edited. It then turned out that customers HAD to keep paying an extra $10 per month for the Bolt-On in order to keep the per KB billing active. If the customers removed the Bolt-On the per KB billing would stop AND Ben stated that there was no guarantee that it would or could be reinstated.

        This, of course, turned into the proverbial. As many had signed up their (sometimes several) accounts for per KB billing only to find that they HAD to also keep paying the extra $10 every month. I saw posts where they asked to cancel the per KB billing and to have their $25 payments returned. However, these posts were not answered and were removed by Ben. So I have no idea if customers scammed by this offer were able to get a refund or not.

        Hope this helped, and answers your question.

    • TA1992:"So if we are already prepaying them, why are they needing a further prepayment in the form of this deposit?"

      Maybe to cover the excess usage fees…I have seen people claim to have $3000 in excess usage with VAYA, in which case $20 hardly helps.

      Nonetheless very poorly implemented and suspect.

      • +1

        Maybe to cover the excess usage fees…I have seen people claim to have $3000 in excess usage with VAYA, in which case $20 hardly helps.

        Vaya have the customers credit/debit card details AND permission to charge the card. No need for and $20 Security Deposit. They can take the usual steps to enforce the debt, just like every other mobile service provider and every other Australian company

        Nonetheless very poorly implemented and suspect.

        Very, very poorly implemented, and very, very suspect - but oh so typical of Ben.

        • -4

          Don't get my wrong, I do not agree with the $20 deposit, but most people use prepaid visa cards for bills like this (and if you currently don't you should!) so not much protection for the company

  • +1

    This has just appeared on all Vaya accounts!

    "Mobile Prepayment Security Deposit:
    All Vaya services are paid in advance, you must pay the monthly recurring charges in advance at all times. In addition, you must make a prepayment for usage that is not within the included value (if any) for the plan that you have acquired or any potential non-payment. The security deposit amount is $20. The security deposit will be debited from your nominated payment method along with your next monthly invoice payment. By acquiring and continuing to use the service, you agree to an automatic top up of your prepayment if and when required. When that happens, Vaya will debit a sufficient amount from your nominated payment method to restore your security deposit to $20. You authorise Vaya to make such debits to your nominated payment method. If your account does not fall into arrears or default, there will be no automatic top-ups. Your service will become inactive if our attempts to debit your nominated payment method are unsuccessful. You agree that no bill will be provided for this service and that direct debiting of your account or charge to your nominated payment method may occur notwithstanding that no bill is provided and that it may occur even though you may not have had the opportunity to pay any outstanding amounts on your account. In the event that you receive a final invoice from Vaya, your security deposit will be utilised as payment on the amount owing and any balance remaining will be credited back to your nominated payment method. "

  • +4

    Just ported out our 2 numbers. I was actually quite happy with them, despite the issues people have had… but honestly don't trust them one bit with the way they sprang this cash grab.

    Gone for Spintel.

    • +2

      Wouldn't be surprised if this gets reversed by the TIO. The more read about it, the more out looks illegal and in breach of their own user agreement.
      BTW Whirlpool is going off about this.

      • Yes it may well… but I've lost whatever little trust I had in them. The $25+$10/month per KB billing thing seemed dodgy enough and now this… I might be reading between the lines a bit too much, but too late moved on now :)

  • +16

    Wow! Just Wow!

    Hundreds of comments removed from the Vaya Facebook page. I don't know just how many customers have been banned from ever posting again, but it must be quite a lot. I am now one of them.

    None of the removed comments were at all rude, defamatory, or included foul language (which is surprising I know).

    One of the best comments, now removed by Ben, was one that said something like this:-

    There is far more chance of Vaya going bankrupt than there is of me not paying my bill. So, Vaya should be giving us a $20 security deposit.

    • +3

      I love that comment.

    • Yep they are deleting comments hard. Saw one that said something to the effect of "having a cash flow problem Vaya?" which lasted on the page about 1 minute before it was deleted…

  • +4

    This from the Vaya Facebook page:-

    Lachlan Mcdonald (Vaya Customer)

    Hi Ben, Please refer to Clause 2.4.3 of your own Standard Form of Agreement

    2.4.3: where the variation has a more than minor detrimental impact on you, we will provide you with at least 21 days notice and you may terminate this SFOA within 42 days of the date of the notice by giving us written notice and paying us

    You have not provided 21 days, and I'll assume your customers can cancel their agreements without penalty

    = = = =

    Vaya (Ben, the Vaya CEO)

    They can. You need to address that in writing with us prior to (sic) and we will assist you through that process.

    • +1

      The catch is you can cancel you agreement, but how do you port the number if you cancel. Port outs are handled by another Telco advising them, technically it may not be seen as a request in writing from you, which they can then assist you with, since they are not dealing directly with you.

      I think you will find you have to port out to keep the number. Cancelling it means they can cancel your contract and your phone number with it. Unless someone else has experience to show this is not the case.

      Remember when Ben gives you an out, there is the likelihood this may have catch.

      • You MUST Port in order to avoid the $30 fee for cancelling/leaving/terminating Vaya.

        So, yes, it is a big catch.

        If you are still inside of any 24 month contract with Vaya, and you Port away, Vaya (Ben) is sure to 'hit' your credit/debit card with some penalty charges for breaking your contract. If you cancel, you get hit with the $30 fee, and you save the contract breaking penalties, but I guess (who knows?) you can still port your number away? Or maybe not?

        • +2

          So if we port out there is no cancellation fee but how do we get the $20 deposit back?

        • +1

          @sydshopper: You probably won't. May as well open a TIO case just so they have to pay $100 or so in fees.

        • +1

          @sydshopper:

          So if we port out there is no cancellation fee but how do we get the $20 deposit back?

          If you are still in a contract, you would need to contact Vaya (good luck with that) BEFORE porting and get them to release you from the contract. Then you port.

          Then you have to write to Vaya and demand your pre-payment for the next month, AND your 'Security Deposit", be applied to any excess use charges (if any), and that any remaining balance should be paid to your credit/debit card that is on file with Vaya.

        • @machej:

          You probably won't.

          Yes, but might as well try.

          You have to try in order to then open/lodge a TIO complaint if Vaya do not return the balance owing in a reasonable time.

          May as well open a TIO case just so they have to pay $100 or so in fees.

          I thought that it was $40 ?

        • +2

          @A3Australia: $40 for level one. It depends on how far it escalates. A lot of people are getting huge pro rata charges whilst leaving now.

        • @A3Australia: Funny that Ben says we must contact Vaya and notify them of intention to break contract to port out without penalty.

          Somebody on Whirlpool said they wrote to Vaya notifying them of just that and the reply they got was that their account would be deactivated in 24 hours.

          Then Ben replies and says "Don't write to us about porting out before you do so."

          Just one of his many contradicting statements…

    • +1

      ex-Vaya customer now btw

      And they deleted that comment and few others like it

      • And they deleted that comment and few others like it

        Sorry, but what comment was that?

        • My first 4 or 5 comments to the page were instantly deleted.
          When I tried looking for the quote above it doesnt seem to show up for me, thinking it might be deleted too

  • "Thanks for your email and we apologize for any confusions that our previous message may have caused.
    Please be advised that the $20 charge is a mere deposit and is not payment for any charges that you have incurred. This will serve as a security deposit and is fully refundable upon termination of your service agreement with us.

    Please be advised, as mentioned in our previous message, this change is fully compliant with the Telecommunication Consumer Protections Code.

    We would understand if you wish to cancel your service with us but we would like you to reconsider staying with VAYA/LIVE CONNECTED. We want to deliver the same quality and affordable service that you enjoy without raising our prices. However, if you wish to cancel your service within 7 days upon receiving our email, please be advised that we will be waiving cancellation charges and the $20 deposit will be used for your final invoice that will be generated in March 5/7."

  • +1

    I hope this doesn't set a precedent that other companies follow. Think of your power, gas, water bill. Internet, council, insurance bill. Every one of those providers could say 'give us $X because a tiny minority of users won't pay'.

    What exactly will the $20 be used for? Is it a disincentive for customers to avoid paying bills? That's a rather small penalty. Will they use the $20 per user to patch holes in their billing system and hope really hard that customers don't demand the $20 back en masse?

    • +5

      Why try to rationalise the irrational?

    • +2

      Exactly I would have thought those who run up a bill with no intention of paying the excess use would burn through more than $20 worth of extra funds.

      • +5

        Exactly I would have thought those who run up a bill with no intention of paying the excess use would burn through more than $20 worth of extra funds.

        Customers pay $20 to join Vsya

        Customers MUST supply a credit/debit card, and give permission to debit that account, when joining Vaya.

        Customers pay for a month IN ADVANCE of whatever plan they are 'on'.

        It is ONLY any excess use and/or any use that is not included in ones plan that is invoiced for payment in arrears.

        Vaya suspend customers accounts when the customer exceeds any of their allowances and/or uses features that are not included in their plan (international calls or SMS/MMS).

        Therefore there is very very little risk of Vaya not receiving payment for any excess usage.

        Ther is far far more risk of Vaya closing down or being put into administration, and leaving thousands of their customers as unsecured creditors chasing their security deposits and pre-paid months of service, than of ANY customer leaving Vaya out of pocket.

  • +3

    sigh, i was actually in the process of porting out of liveconnected/vaya

  • +5

    Like the rental deposit is put in a bond where the person cannot get interest as it is not his money. Will this happen to our deposit with the company as well?
    It is a total joke asking for it from existing customers for more than 2 years with no bad record of payments.
    I think thy are getting free funds for their business expansion.

    • +3

      Yes, that's one of the aspects of the TCP they didn't follow when retroactively imposing a security deposit for a service already acquired.

      Someone asked them on the forum if they would return the interest, and they said they would "where feasible". This is a rather telling statement I think. They still haven't detailed where the money is going, how it is being used, etc.

  • +5

    They keep saying that they're following the TCP, but I really doubt they've even bothered reading the code. The TCP allows them to ask for a security deposit prior to the service being acquired, and only if it meets certain conditions, including:

    6.4.1 it needs to be based on the outcome of a "credit assessment"

    6.2.1 They have to inform us about any credit assessments they perform;

    6.4.2 They need our prior agreement before they can take a security deposit.

    Their cheeky notice on the payments page stating (paraphrased) "your continued use of this service constitutes agreement for us to take a security deposit" is so far from any proper understanding of consent or prior agreement. Can you imagine being in a hospital, only to be told that your use of a hospital bed has meant you've agreed to a surgical procedure?

    Further, their own T&C state they're meant to give us reasonable notice before making changes to the service. On so many levels this is wrong to do, and the folks at Vaya/LC can't be unaware of that.

  • +4

    Mass cleansing of posts, and banning of customers posting again, on both the LC and Vaya Facebook pages has been completed.

    Of course this included all posts that included links to, or even mentioned, this thread and/or the Whitlpool LC and Vaya threads.

  • Interesting.

    This is a money making scheme.

    Imagine they had 5000 customers. That's $100000.

    If they put this money in a 5% interest bearing account - they earn an extra $5k per year or $416.67 per month.

    Not a massive amount in the grand scheme of things but still… If they had 100 000 customers…

    We're not talking about small $$ here.

    • They have over 70,000

      So that's $1,400,000

      • They have over 70,000
        So that's $1,400,000

        No, those were 2013 figures for Vaya alone.

        Since then there have been Bus and TV advertising campaigns.

        Latest good guesstimates are at least 100,000 for Vaya and 30,000 for LC.

        That is at least $2,600,000

    • This is a money making scheme.
      Imagine they had 5000 customers. That's $100000.

      Combined they have at least 130,000 customers. (Vaya 100,000 and LC 30,000)

      So, $2,600,000

      • @ 5% interest bearing that's a mere…

        $130k per year

        or

        $10833.34 per month

        NICE!

  • JUNE 2013

    http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/463503/vaya_acquires…

    Two of Australia’s mobile virtual network operators (MVNOs) will consolidate their businesses, with Vaya today announcing it has completed an acquisition of Live Connected.

    Both companies operate on the Optus network and offer budget-priced plans in comparison to the big three telcos - Telstra, Optus and Vodafone Hutchison Australia. Live Connected had about 25,000 subscribers; the combined company will have about 70,000. Vaya declined to disclose financial terms of the deal.

    • I'd actually be surprised if LC number had gone up since the acquisition. Many left once the super cheap deals ran out.. some would have switched over to Vaya, but most would have gone elsewhere (predominantly Amaysim/Telechoice/Spintel).
      Simsilarly, many have left Vaya once the super cheap deals ran out. I can believe number might have increased if they've been advertising though.

  • +1

    From the LC Support Forum:-

    Aiko

    Hi All,

    This is in regards to my response regarding "interest on the $20.00 deposit", unfortunately, this has been edited and there will be no payable interest on these $20.00 deposit payments.

    My sincere apologies for the confusion.

    Thank you for your time and understanding.

  • +3

    will lodge this to TIO. what a SCAM!!!?

    • +3

      When you do, make sure you discuss that they've charged us GST on the security deposit (quite easy to work out when you look at the invoice); but according to GSTR 2006/2 http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?DocID=GST/GSTR20062/NA… security deposits should NOT be charged GST!!

      Unbelievable of Vaya really. The way they went about this security deposit thing leaves such a bad taste in my mouth. For example TCP 6.4.1, "a Supplier must… base the requirement for a Security Deposit on the outcome of a Credit Assessment conducted in relation to the Consumer and the Telecommunications Product to be acquired by the Consumer"

      I have asked Vaya for a copy of my credit assessment with no response. My current credit file is outstanding with not a single missed payment for a credit card or home loan in my lifetime. I have not missed any Vaya bills. I do not see how Vaya can charge all their customers a $20 "security deposit" regardless of their payment history or credit file.

      Shonky stuff!

      • Unbelievable of Vaya really. The way they went about this security deposit thing leaves such a bad taste in my mouth. For example TCP 6.4.1, "a Supplier must… base the requirement for a Security Deposit on the outcome of a Credit Assessment conducted in relation to the Consumer and the Telecommunications Product to be acquired by the Consumer"

        I have asked Vaya for a copy of my credit assessment with no response. My current credit file is outstanding with not a single missed payment for a credit card or home loan in my lifetime. I have not missed any Vaya bills. I do not see how Vaya can charge all their customers a $20 "security deposit" regardless of their payment history or credit file.

        Shonky stuff!

        As far as I know Vaya do not do any credit checking, They did not do so in my case. Nor that of my son. Also, I have seen from the reports of others that no credit checking was done.

      • they've charged us GST on the security deposit

        Reports are coming in that LC customers are being charged $18.18 with GST not included.

        I understand that LC invoices are generated two days later than Vaya invoices.

  • Do they charge a cancellation fee if we port out to a telstra based company such as ALDI mobile? Whats the best procedure to cancel?? I got myself a new ALDI sim, should I just talk to Aldi first and do the transfer of my number then once its ported I then contact Vaya and cancel? Does via need a few days notice for cancellation when porting out?

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