Vaya Mobile Security Deposit - $20 added to bill (refundable at end of service)

Just got the following email from Vaya

Hi there

Here at Vaya, we work hard to always deliver you the best possible product at the best possible price. >It's what our mission has been since we first launched Vaya in 2011. As we've grown we've managed to keep >our prices low in the face of an ever changing environment, to make sure we always deliver on our mission >statement. Currently we enjoy not only having the best value mobile plans available today, but also the >best value NBN and soon, ADSL2+ services too!

As we've grown, we've enjoyed providing mobile service for all of our customers, unfortunately, there's a >small amount of customers who use the service without intending to pay. Here at Vaya HQ in Brisbane, we've >had debates about best way to tackle this problem, not just from our side, but from your side, our >customers. The obvious solution would be to simply increase the cost of our plans to accommodate a certain >percentage of non-payment, like retail stores do, which effectively means each of our customers (i.e., >you) would have to pay more to cover the customers who don't want to pay. We didn't want to do this and we >aren't.

Instead, we've decided to opt for, like some of our competitors, a once-off, refundable Security Deposit >of $20 per mobile service. This Security Deposit will be required of all of our customers, at a rate of >$20 per mobile service, and will be drawn from your nominated payment source along with your next bill >payment (this month). We will only apply the Security Deposit in the event of non-payment of your monthly >invoice or on your final invoice (should you ever decide to leave Vaya). In the event of having it applied >to your final invoice for your final service, any remaining balance will be directly refunded to you.

This change has been implemented in accordance with our term and conditions and within the >Telecommunication Consumer Protections Code. Should you have any further questions or concerns, please >visit vaya.net.au to read through our FAQs and relevant forum posts.

Kindest regards,

The Team at Vaya

TL;DR Every customer will get $20 put on their next bill, which is refunded when you leave Vaya. If you miss a payment (or I assume, underpay) they will take it out of that $20.

It sounds like lots of people defaulting. I'd rather they reward customers who have been with them for 6+ months with perfect payment records to be exempt from this, but it doesn't look like that's happening.

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    • +1

      Do they charge a cancellation fee if we port out to a telstra based company such as ALDI mobile? Whats the best procedure to cancel?? I got myself a new ALDI sim, should I just talk to Aldi first and do the transfer of my number then once its ported I then contact Vaya and cancel? Does via need a few days notice for cancellation when porting out?

      YES! $30 if you cancel/suspend/close an account.

      You must Port. However, the problem now is that Ben has:-
      1) your pre-payment for the next month.
      2) your $20 security deposit.
      3) access to your credit/debit card

      If he is not happy with all that, and thinks he can't get/hasn't got enough money from you, he can refuse your port because your account is not 'clear' (fully paid).

      • What I meant was is there any issue with porting out to a non optus telco? ALDI mobile being on Telstra signal in this case. ie, is there a $30 fee for porting out to a telstra based service? They mentioned something about

        Im really confused about the prepayment thing as the bill I just received from Vaya states the billing period for the invoice is 1st - 31st Jan. But fairly sure I paid upfront initially for the first month when I first joined. They also hit me for 2 dodgy $10 fees in a row early on for denied payments on my card (not sure why that was really as it was a debit card and funds were available).

        Aiko on Vaya forums also just said this about someones suggestion of prepaid:

        "Your suggestion to cease service does not make sense, however, there are many things that we need counter in.
        By simply disconnecting a service, there is a financial deficit applied to us by the network.
        Also, please have in mind that our service is a post-paid service, not pre-paid.
        Being that our billing is performed in arrears, this makes us a post-paid service."

        • What I meant was is there any issue with porting out to a non optus telco? ALDI mobile being on Telstra signal in this case. ie, is there a $30 fee for porting out to a telstra based service? They mentioned something about

          Im really confused about the prepayment thing as the bill I just received from Vaya states the billing period for the invoice is 1st - 31st Jan. But fairly sure I paid upfront initially for the first month when I first joined. They also hit me for 2 dodgy $10 fees in a row early on for denied payments on my card (not sure why that was really as it was a debit card and funds were available).

          Aiko on Vaya forums also just said this about someones suggestion of prepaid:

          "Your suggestion to cease service does not make sense, however, there are many things that we need counter in.
          By simply disconnecting a service, there is a financial deficit applied to us by the network.
          Also, please have in mind that our service is a post-paid service, not pre-paid.
          Being that our billing is performed in arrears, this makes us a post-paid service."

          Uh… Ok.. sure, whatever. Listen, just PORT AWAY OK?

          It is MUCH quicker and easier to Port to A NON OPTUS provider.

          Also, if you want to see a picture of Aiko. Take a look at the Photos sections of both the LC and the Vaya Facebook pages.

        • @A3Australia:
          Aiko said something about porting out to a list of eligible providers would not attract a fee, I cant find the message again now but thats why I was asking, sorry if my question seemed abrupt or something. Thanks for the info on faster porting.

        • @Gravy:

          Aiko said something about porting out to a list of eligible providers would not attract a fee,

          You can port to any carrier and/or mobile service provider without penalty. So long as you are not under contract.

          I cant find the message again now but thats why I was asking,

          Year, Ben and Co. tend to delete whole threads if just one post or reply bothers them.

          sorry if my question seemed abrupt or something.

          Not abrupt at all. Just long, complex, and a bit confused/confusing.

          Thanks for the info on faster porting.

          No problems.

      • They can't legally deny you porting out, surely

        • +3

          They can't legally deny you porting out, surely(?)

          They can't legally add a Plan Freeze Fee to users that are still in their 24 month contract, surely?

          They can't legally state that a once off $25 fee will give customers per KB billing, and then later charge $10 extra per month to keep that per KB billing, surely?

          They can't legally invoice all customers with a so called $20 Security Deposit, and then just take that $20 from their customers' credit/debit cards, surely?

          To answer your question. They should not. However, who knows. I have been told that a carrier can refuse a Port if you still owe them money on your (obviously) postpaid account, but Vaya/LC are not carriers. Also, unlike the carriers, their plans are not pre-paid and are not really postpaid either - they are sort of a mixture.

        • @A3Australia:

          Apparantly they cant legally refuse a port due to owing them money.

          http://www.acma.gov.au/Citizen/Consumer-info/All-about-numbe…

          "What do I have to do to port my number?
          If you want to change providers and keep your number, you should:

          contact your new provider—they will contact your current provider to arrange the port
          not disconnect your telephone service with your current provider—a port can’t take place if the service has been disconnected as you will no longer have rights of use for the number
          be aware that fees and charges may apply when changing providers (early termination fee, porting fee, outstanding charges etc.). However, your current provider cannot refuse to port a number due to any outstanding account balance or fees."

        • @Gravy:

          Apparantly they cant legally refuse a port due to owing them money.
          "What do I have to do to port my number?
          If you want to change providers and keep your number, you should:
          contact your new provider—they will contact your current provider to arrange the port
          not disconnect your telephone service with your current provider—a port can’t take place if the service has been disconnected as you will no longer have rights of use for the number be aware that fees and charges may apply when changing providers (early termination fee, porting fee, outstanding charges etc.). However, your current provider cannot refuse to port a number due to any outstanding account balance or fees."

          Thanks for that info.

          The only thing that might still be of concern is this:-

          "a port can’t take place if the service has been disconnected"

          As Vaya are notorious for "suspending" users numbers/services for excess use of any one of their services (Eg. Data, Calls, International Use). I wonder if "suspension" is considered the same as "disconection"? I would think NOT, but….

        • @A3Australia:

          Further down the page on the ACMA site:

          "Can I port a number that has been disconnected or suspended?
          If your service has been suspended, the contractual relationship between you and the provider continues. This means the service is not disconnected and you can request to port the suspended number.
          When a service is disconnected, you cease to be the ROU holder of the number. A port cannot occur if a service is disconnected so you would need to ask the new provider to reconnect the service; however, generally this is at the discretion of the provider. If a provider makes a decision to disconnect your service, the provider must ensure that you are given adequate notice and provide you with a written disconnection notice."

        • +1

          @Gravy:

          Further down the page on the ACMA site:
          "Can I port a number that has been disconnected or suspended?
          If your service has been suspended, the contractual relationship between you and the provider continues. This means the service is not disconnected and you can request to port the suspended number.

          KOOL. I did not go to the ACMA link, as I knew your original copy/paste would be correct.

          So, all one has to do is make sure the name and date of birth match up.

  • +2

    I wonder how long Ben will stay back at the office tonight?

    He was on Facebook till late last night busy deleting posts and banning customers. Then he started again early (Brisbane time) this morning.

    He has to sleep sometime. I wonder if he can just 'lock ir down' so that no one can post until he returns?

    • +2

      Why would you assume it's just Ben? He probably is hiring 30 people offshore to do it. (After all, soon he will have plenty of money)

      • +1

        Why would you assume it's just Ben? He probably is hiring 30 people offshore to do it. (After all, soon he will have plenty of money)

        I don't assume, I know. Ben handles three things himself - the Vaya and LC Facebook pages, and the VayaTalk Twitter account.

        1) After a while one gets to recognise his style.
        2) He slips up sometimes and posts from his own account.
        3) He has slipped up in the past and admitted as much - then realised his mistake and deleted his posts.

        All other support is outsourced to the Philippines and to India.

        • +1

          Didn't realise that. That's quite hilarious if he replied from a personal account.

  • From the LC Support Forum:-

    Aiko
    said about 2 hours ago (about 5:15pm Sydney time)

    Hi Richard Henry,

    We do not need Vaya (sic) make our announcements, if (sic) are expected to close down, we will be making the announcement ourselves.

    In saying that, though we appreciate your concerns, we are not due to be shutting down in the near future.

  • +1

    Yea!

    Ben has left the building!

    FaceBook at 7:28pm Sydney time

    Michael Balzer‎Vaya
    19 mins ·
    Hey vaya
    …..not impressed that you have taken the 5 x $20 security deposits….we must be friends because I often lend friends $100….hope you invest it wisely and put it into something that you can get a return on….20000 odd customers x $20…$400000…money for nothing good little earner…hope the person that thought this one up gets a commission
    …..

    Jonno Eric Kopczynski
    Just Now
    the scumbags have charged me 14 times in the space of a week…. and then charged me a dishonour fee because there was no funding in the account…

    Franco Stancato‎Vaya
    21 mins ·
    hi, can you explain why I am paying for a v29 and a v18 plan on the same number and 3 bolt ons when I only asked for 1. invoice 1231752

    Jonno Eric Kopczynski‎Vaya
    26 mins · Melbourne ·

    ANSWER YOUR PHONE! MULTIPLE CALLS AND NO ONE IS ANSWERING, LEFT MULTIPLE MESSAGES AND NO RESPONSE!

  • Interesting 'take' on the Max Power rip off attempt (that obviously did not work as well as Ben hoped).

    "… don't think I should have to pay extra to be charged more efficiently for data… if you have the facilities to measure by kb then you should be utilising this for your customers. They way I felt after reading the email was that Vaya is willing to stop ripping us off on data charges but we have to pay for the privilege. Does the award that recognises Vaya as the best value take that Vaya records per MB increments into account?"

    • I really dont know what to do? it's good value $18 no other around i need mms. If i report lost card with the bank do i get a new card number?, maybe easiest way of breaking the debit agreement.

      • If i report lost card with the bank do i get a new card number?, maybe easiest way of breaking the debit agreement.

        Do not lie to your bank. Tell them the truth and get them to stop this business from debiting your card (credit? debit?) or just tell them to cancel the card and to issue you a new one.

        • Ok thanks if i get them to cancel card wont they ask why?, does the number change on the card when your issued a new one?. I guess that's one way of avoiding the $20.00 and leaving.

        • @Bangersnmash:

          Ok thanks if i get them to cancel card wont they ask why?, does the number change on the card when your issued a new one?. I guess that's one way of avoiding the $20.00 and leaving.

          It is YOUR MONEY, IT IS YOUR CARD, tell them what you want done. If they do not comply, close your account and walk away to another bank. Yes the number changes.

        • @A3Australia: Ok thanks good to know my options.

  • +2

    I wonder if this post will make it through to Monday?

    "Please explain to me how we can go from months of bills at approx. $80.70 to now having one at over $300.00. What happened to the 50% warning for data. So disgusted at your company at the moment and so unimpressed after being with you for years, at least bank robbers wear masks! x x"

    or this one?

    "The hell is a "mobile security deposit" ?? I ain't paying $55 for my $33 plan when it barely worked all month"

    Maybe Ben will do some overtime this weekend?

    • The vaya really sucks. I ended contract with them finally. THEY WILL NOT REFUND $20 AT THE END. Here is the email I from them.

      Hi there XXXX

      Here at Vaya, we work hard to always deliver you the best possible product at the best possible price. It's what our mission has been since we first launched Vaya in 2011. As we've grown we've managed to keep our prices low in the face of an ever changing environment, to make sure we always deliver on our mission statement. Currently we enjoy not only having the best value mobile plans available today, but also the best value NBN and soon, ADSL2+ services too!

      As we've grown, we've enjoyed providing mobile service for all of our customers, unfortunately, there's a small amount of customers who use the service without intending to pay. Here at Vaya HQ in Brisbane, we've had debates about best way to tackle this problem, not just from our side, but from your side, our customers. The obvious solution would be to simply increase the cost of our plans to accommodate a certain percentage of non-payment, like retail stores do, which effectively means each of our customers (i.e., you) would have to pay more to cover the customers who don't want to pay. We didn't want to do this and we aren't.

      Instead, we've decided to opt for, like some of our competitors, a once-off, refundable Security Deposit of $20 per mobile service. This Security Deposit will be required of all of our customers, at a rate of $20 per mobile service, and will be drawn from your nominated payment source along with your next bill payment (this month). We will only apply the Security Deposit in the event of non-payment of your monthly invoice or on your final invoice (should you ever decide to leave Vaya). In the event of having it applied to your final invoice for your final service, any remaining balance will be directly refunded to you.

      This change has been implemented in accordance with our term and conditions and within the Telecommunication Consumer Protections Code. Should you have any further questions or concerns, please visit vaya.net.au to read through our FAQs and relevant forum posts.

      Kindest regards,

      The Team at Vaya

      Copyright © 2015 Vaya, All rights reserved.
      You have received this email as a subscriber to Vaya services.

      Our mailing address is:
      Vaya
      PO BOX 402
      Fortitude Valley, Qld 4006
      Australia

  • +2

    Tpg did the exact same thing, but at a certain point they changed the rules and said they will not be refunding this deposit when you stop the service for all existing customers. I'm sure vaya will follow the same route sooner or later.

  • +6

    Its time to say goodbye Vaya. Enough is enough.

  • Would we lose our phone numbers if they go bankrupt?

    • Would we lose our phone numbers if they go bankrupt?

      No. Why would you even think that?

    • +4

      Its a good question and probably on a lot of people's minds but the answer is no as A3Australia mentioned, the confirmation is at http://www.acma.gov.au/Citizen/Consumer-info/All-about-numbe…

      • Thanks! At least there is a little bit of an assurance there with the telecommunications industry which Vaya can't take down.

        "What happens to my number if my provider goes out of business?
        If your service has been suspended as a result of a provider going out of business, you still retain the ROU [Rights of Use Holder] to the number and the number can be ported to another provider."

  • +1

    I'm saying goodbye to vaya and taking 12 of family and friends with me to GT. I know I'm maybe a drop in ocean for them (Vaya) but enough is enough. True Vaya's rates are reasonable but they cant just go and treat their customers the way they please. We are paying for the service not asking for charity.

    I'm sure there are companies who will be more then happy to provide me with service.

    Show some respect to your customers Vaya, at least to the customers who have been loyal, on direct debit since day 1, Without customers you aint staying in this market for long.

    Once upon a time they used to be good but I think greed is taking over.

    Stupid fees. $20 sim fee and now $20 security fee

    Bill shock.. what happened to warning at 85% usage.

    Poor customer service, rude staff. Just yesterday was placed on hold for 23 mins before asking me to leave a message and they will call back, still waiting for a call back.

    • I'm saying goodbye to vaya and taking 12 of family and friends with me to GT.

      I have seen this "GT" mentioned a couple of times. However, a Google search has not helped me to find them. Would you please post a link? Thanks.

      Also, may I suggest that you take the opportunity, before Ben's return, to post your feelings on the Vaya FaceBook page?

      https://www.facebook.com/Vaya.Australia

    • just wondering is the 20$ sim fee refundable ?

      • -1

        just wondering is the 20$ sim fee refundable ?

        Why would you wonder about that?

        It is a fee. It is not refundable.

        • You might get it refunded when you leave Vaya (but there's a $30 disconnect fee). Don't know if you can recover the $20 if you port out for free).
          Don't expect to get it back. Really crap of them.

        • @Fobsessive:

          You might get it refunded when you leave Vaya

          You will not get the $20 SIM/Joining fee refunded. Vaya say that it is a fee for joining (for providing and mailing your SIM).

          (but there's a $30 disconnect fee).

          No, it is a cancellation fee. A fee for cancelling a Vaya mobile phone service.

          Don't know if you can recover the $20 if you port out for free).

          You can't.

          Don't expect to get it back. Really crap of them.

          It was crap of them to charge $20 for a SIM, and its delivery, that costs them like $5. Plus, if a customer orders several services (SIM) at the same time, Vaya still charge $20 for each SIM and mail them in one envelope.

  • +5

    yup, enough is enough.. where is everyone going to though?>

    • +1

      I hardly use my mobile at all, so Im off to Aldi mobile (telstra reseller), 365 day expiry on prepaid credit which looks ideal for me. https://www.aldimobile.com.au/plans/30payg

      per mb block billing on data though from what I can see which is not so good.

    • Consensus is either spintel, tele choice or jeenee mobile

      For me, its a tossup between the generously s data allowance of spintel and the mamouth SMS and phone call offerings from telechoice. Seldom use of SMS and phonecalls; go for spintel otherwise telechoice on the Telstra network

      • Spintel looks awful as their customer service, no mms

        • Point taken don't do mms

    • Taking a $7 and $11 plan to Telechoice. ($12.50 + $20 respectively)

    • I ended up getting Lycamobile.
      I understand it's 3G only but it's for a senior with a horrible phone that barely does anything, so it should be more than enough. besides it's unlimited calls and SMS, so no worry at the end of the month.. we'll see how it goes though..

      • People on whirlpool are reporting that Lycamobile's call centre is disconnected. I need to investigate that before signing up, am tempted by their $20 super saver plan as an alternative to Telechoice's $20 plan.

        • actually the number they have on the webpage doesnt work.
          the thing is, you don't need to sign up to their $19 plan.. you can pay manually.. so minimum risk.
          i think they just messed up their 1300 number

  • +4

    This Facebook post is sure to get deleted by Ben, as it mentions the failure to send Usage Warnings:-

    =====

    Please contact me as a matter of priority. Before I refer your company to the TIO, I'm keen to discuss the following:

    1) charging all customers a $20 security deposit due to your inability to credit check customers as they sign up to your service. I have a 27 month history of paying on time. Thanks for taking into account my loyalty and credit history
    2) ignoring the 21 day notice period required by the TCP code when instigating supplier variations
    3) ignoring the 50, 85 and 100% data usage notifications as required by TCP code
    4) introducing an "international" limit to my account without notice when I changed plans

    I have previously tried to request a callback as mentioned in your on hold messages. This has been ignored. I also completed the "call me" online form. You ignored that as well. I am not happy with your company and would like to discuss this with someone!!!!

    =====

  • Has anyone been given an indication as to the refund time for the $20 security once we leave?

    • Has anyone been given an indication as to the refund time for the $20 security once we leave?

      No.

    • +1

      Based on previous Vaya/LC conduct you can consider yourself lucky if it's less than a month.

  • +1

    GT Mobile looks promising
    http://www.gtmobile.com.au/

    9c/min to landline
    12c/min to mobile
    $5 for 500MB data pack

    The 12c mobile rate is the same as Amaysim but the GT Mobile data is much cheaper than Amaysim's $100/10GB/1Yr if you don't use much (unlike me).

    • +1

      GT Mobile looks promising

      What about LycaMobile's SuperSaver $19 deal?

      Unlimited National SMS & calls (Mobile & landline)
      5GB Data

      30 days Validity

      • Wow, that is amazing! How can it even be that cheap? Crushes Vaya's $18 PowerPlan and seems equivalent to "Unlimited" plans from other providers. All for $19?!

        • +2

          Don't get too excited because that price is only valid for a month. For more details, including users' negative experiences, read through the previous thread: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/180214

          If I had to leave LC I'd probably go with telechoice.

    • +1

      Also don't forget that its free to call/text other GT Mobiles.

  • +2

    So much for Ben's assertions, and Vaya support staff's statements, regarding leavig without penalty:-

    From Whirlppol thread:

    posted 44 minutes ago

    I activated in May 2014, so would I be able to port (by the 15th) without it costing me anything?

    posted 11 minutes ago

    I rang and they said it would be early termination fee etc and it would be $375. Is there something I missed in relation to leaving without penalty?

  • +4

    Reading this is thread makes me feel warm and fuzzy that I no longer use this company's services.

    Bunch of inept crooks that will run the business into the ground.

  • +1

    I partly blame the governing if this goes through for making it legal in the first place.

    What's to stop any single service doing this? Will my power company be next?

  • I'm a Vaya customer. I thought that we were already paying the following month's service in advance?

    • I'm a Vaya customer. I thought that we were already paying the following month's service in advance?

      Yes. Please do a little reading of this and the other Vaya threads on Whirlpool etc.

      Vaya customers pay for their plan (calls, data) a month ahead (in advance).

      The only things invoiced for later payment are any excess charges, and any fees imposed by Vaya (payment refused, late payment penalty, a 'security deposit', etc.).

  • So, we have these possible alternatives:
    Spintel
    GT
    Telechoice
    Virgin

    Are any missing? Everything's still way more expensive than Vaya $11 though.

    • +1

      If you want Spintel but also want to get out fast then porting to a cheap Vodafone or Telstra sim, you know the ones you have left over from the various deals posted here on OZB over the years… then port again to Spintel.

      I only mention that as Spintel are quite slow to ship the sims out and also an Optus to Optus port can take a while… if you want to get out for sure within the 7 days they have offered as a grace period for those in contracts (7 days again being less than their own rules stated) you probably have no choice but to port out quickly and then sort things out later.

    • +1

      Everything's still way more expensive than Vaya $11 though.

      Most still on the $11 plan are now paying $20.90 because of the invention of a "Plan Freeze Fee" by Ben.

      Any who have not yet received this fee will do so in the next few months.

      • The only reason I moved to Vaya was because of the plan freeze on LC which made the Vaya $18 plan cheaper … the per MB billing was not an issue for me.

        Really so annoyed that they can take $20/account without proper notice, not even giving the notice periods they themselves have on their own site … It is basically theft… surely these actions are criminal?

        • +3

          Really so annoyed that they can take $20/account without proper notice, not even giving the notice periods they themselves have on their own site …

          Of more concern is what they will do with this $2.6 million (or more). They refuse to respond to questions about it going into a trust account.

          It is basically theft… surely these actions are criminal?

          No, no laws about this type of thing.

      • I seem to have somehow slipped through the cracks in their system- still on the same $10.99 since 2011.Friends I put onto the deal, when it was a deal, all have been forced into higher plans. Nothing about any extra grandfathering cost….so far.

        • I seem to have somehow slipped through the cracks in their system- still on the same $10.99 since 2011.Friends I put onto the deal, when it was a deal, all have been forced into higher plans. Nothing about any extra grandfathering cost….so far.

          1) LC or Vaya?

          2) Shhhh… Ben reads these threads.

        • +3

          @A3Australia:
          LC.
          I am not too fussed though.I have had a superb run.If they pull out something as ridiculous as a $10 per month Plan Freeze Fee, that would instantly make it a crap deal and I d be gone.
          Hi Ben, you really screwed the pooch with this latest one..

        • Likewise, I'm also on LC's $11 plan and this is the first I've heard of any 'plan freeze fee'.

    • +2

      Jeenee
      Amaysim
      Yatango
      Aldi Mobile
      Kiss Mobile

    • If you have multiple services Telstra Prepaid is good value as you can share the credits between services, and works really well if you have one medium-usage and others low-usage. http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/telstraprepaid

      For a service that is data-only, Yatango have cheap 4G data packs ($11 for 1 GB) and PAYG voice. (Like Spintel but cheaper at lower usage.) https://yatango.com.au/mobile/pricing/personalised

      For extremely low usage check out CMobile PAYG, but this plan bills data per MB. http://www.cmobile.com.au/plans/c-red-payg-plan/

  • +3

    Maybe the ACCC will stop this $20 price grab surely? seems crazy to charge those on a contract that. If it's a legal contract how can they.

    • +2

      I doubt they will move that fast… Vaya has sprung this on too quickly … that's the worrying thing about it.

      • +2

        It's very suss 10 days prior to billing, I smell a rat. Normally you would get much more notice, the amount of people leaving nobody will be left.

        • +1

          …well most people will probably ignore it to be honest.. even if the thousands from here and Whirlpool go it leaves a lot…

          The lack of time just stinks of ulterior motive…

        • @Pobman: I think there is a lot of talk, but yeah I do wonder how many people are actually leaving. I might just keep an eye on the threads see how it goes, I think Ben know's this also.

        • +2

          @Bangersnmash: Interesting days ahead.

      • Every report made is considered and allows the ACCC to focus its attention to where it needs to go.

        It takes a few minutes to make a complaint https://www.accc.gov.au/contact-us/contact-the-accc/consumer…

        • Every report made is considered

          Get real, its just political speak.

          All words no action.

          ACCC doesn't do anything until it hits the papers. Then they start investigating. If the papers back off early the investigation goes no where.

        • @RockyRaccoon:

          I would encourage reports to the ACCC regardless of what others may think.

          Your complaint does count.

  • +3

    Ported out. These guys are becoming pathetic. I could deal with the $9 'plan freeze' charge on top of my monthly $12 plan but this time it's bullshit.

  • So if you port out before the 15th then you don't pay the next months bill in advance or the $20 security bond but you will loose 2 weeks service. Is this correct?

    • +1

      Correct, however your service will be prorated so make sure you calculate how much usage you are allowed to use before porting out.

      • Ok so you will get a refund of half the month if you haven't used more than the pro rata amount?
        It is probably safer to block payment and port out at end of the month then.

        • +1

          Yes, this is the safer approach. Also make sure that they're aware that they need to refund the $20 deposit.

        • Isn't the January 15 payment already covering this month (February) in full?

        • @Fobsessive: Depends. Some customers prepay and some customers pay the following month. IIRC.

  • +2

    What utter bs, ticket created to complain.

    I have had one failed payment due to using DD so upon hearing about this I instantly went and updated to a CC I got recently so there would always be money in the account. I received my invoices a few days later with a DD decline fee and the deposit, I assume this instantly voids the deposit? How can they group in the deposit with this invoice and have it fail, this means they must have charged it BEFORE sending the notice… Made a post to FB, deleted in 2mins at this hour, Ben must be having a ball!

    Advised TIO complaint would be made, citing the; GST issue, section in the Telecommunications Consumer Protection Code clauses and the Vaya 21 day opt out period when a change of clause is made. Wish me luck…

    Failing this I might just call CBA and advise I did not authorize it and see how that goes.

  • I have got one service with Vaya and one with Live Connected. The Vaya service has charged me the $20 'security deposit', but the LC one was only $18. This is so weird…

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      I have got one service with Vaya and one with Live Connected. The Vaya service has charged me the $20 'security deposit', but the LC one was only $18. This is so weird…

      I think it is very simple to explain.

      The LC invoices are sent out two days after the Vaya invoices. Ben reads the Whirlpool Vaya forums. He saw the posts explaining that Security Deposits are not taxable and that the GST should not be collected on them.

      It was too late for the Vaya invoices. They had a $20 charge on them including GST. The LC invoices have an $18.18 charge on them. Which must be the same charge, but without the GST. $18.18 plus 10% GST equals $19.998

      • +3

        It was too late for the Vaya invoices. They had a $20 charge on them including GST. The LC invoices have an $18.18 charge on them. Which must be the same charge, but without the GST. $18.18 plus 10% GST equals $19.998

        He may have outsmarted himself with this.

        There is NO GST to be added, so if he added GST to bring up the deposit to $20 then he is wrong there is NO GST so the amount of the deposit should read either

        $20 with NO GST
        $18.18 with NO GST

        $18.18 with GST of $1.82 to make the deposit up to $20 is wrong, as there is NO GST to be added

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