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With Ebay's 15% discount, the 2015 Macbook Pro 15 with retina display is about $670 cheaper than the retail price, if you don't mind it being a grey imported product.
2015 Apple 15" MacBook Pro 2.2GHz i7 256GB - $2433 Delivered @ Kogan eBay
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Agreed. Plus, this was $2100 odd during the last 20% off kogan deal.
It's actually even
Why is it so expensive? I know the last deal was 20 off not 15 but that is no more than 120-130 difference from the 2100 odd price, this is 300 more. Must have jacked up the price… Wish I jumped on the 2100 offer, not biting on this.
They did, same with the nexus 6p :/
A few months back apple jacked up the prices due to the dropping Australian dollar. Mbp prices have been up everywhere because of this.
I got $2100 deal and posting this from the same MAC. Happy with it.
It's worth pointing out that even at this substantiality reduced pricing, there are still far more powerful and capable laptops that are better suited to Photoshop, video editing and CAD, that are hundreds of dollars cheaper.
Not saying this isn't a good price for this particular product, just that it's not a good choice for those applications unless you very can't bear the thought of not using a Mac.
I have a MacBook 2009 and normal laptop ….. after taking into account that that MacBooks aren't ventilated from the bottom, so you can use it on your lap, and has a retina screen , if I had the money I would pay the extra few hundred dollars instead of a normal laptop / ultra book. most lap tops ventilate from the bottom , though I do hate apples special SSD drive size which is hard to get alternatives for.
love Apple engineering even when I can't afford it.
Agree with this. Macbook is not getting overheated that easily compared to normal laptop/ultra book. My macbook fan is almost never on even after long hour of usage and in summer. I think this is due to OSX.
My laptop screen blows the retina screen on my mate's $5000 macbook away.retina is far from top tier. My laptop can get hot, but I use it on a desk when I do work so it doesn't bother me.
That's great.
@sagiballs: I was relying to garage sales comment about the macbook being preferable because it has a retina screen
There's more to Mac vs PC for professional use than just spec for spec.
I will concede that their battery life is generally better than other alternatives, and that the build quality and warranty are as good as anything.
But there's no way this particular model, with dual core processor and integrated graphics, is going to perform even close to the quad core processors and dedicated graphics of alternative devices which are hundreds of dollars cheaper.
Sure, but need to transcode to different ProRes codecs for video?
You're SOL if you want to do with a PC.
I'm 50/50 OSX/PC at work and home. Right now I am typing this on my gaming PC that is using my 27" iMac as a monitor.
Also FWIW you can pick up 8 core Mac Pro's for around $700 2nd hand, get a Cubix breakout PCIe chassis for around the same - load it up with 2x 980ti's (or what ever) and you end up with quite a potent OSX rendering box for not much more than a PC setup would cost.
Of course you could pick up a couple of Xeon 2670s 2nd hand and end up with a PC more powerful than the OSX build above for even less, but now were just going down a wormhole of awesome parts for cheap.
@c0balt:
I'm guessing you wouldn't want to do a lot of transcoding on this MacBook with its anaemic processor anyway.At least your iMac will have a decent quad core and a GPU to help things along.
As for ProRes codecss, that's a very specific and specialisted thing and those who dabble in such fields don't need advice from Internet strangers like myself.
Nobody wants to buy second hand parts and spend all that time and money putting together a hybrid laptop. YOu're far better off buying a desktop instead of wasting time with that suggestion.
Hybrid laptop?
Do you have any clue what a Mac Pro is? Cubix pci-e breakout box? 2x980 ti's?
It's fairly obvious those are all desktop parts.
Telling me I am wasting my time suggesting what is one of (and those most popular/common) industry standards for post processing/editing/VFX and more in the creative fields is just indicative of how little you know about OS X use in the commercial work space, and how poor your technical knowledge really is.
Industry standard my foot.
If you have to spend $5000 just to achieve that, then it shows me how poor your knowledge is of a modern workstation.
A XEON PC with an Nvidia Quadro or titans in SLI performs far better in video rendering and Photoshop, because you have access to CUDA cores. You're right I know little about OS X in the commercial workspace, but that is because it's such a small work space. You're a minority.
Not only did you make no reference to the mistake you made, but you then wrote that it would cost $5000 despite 2 posts above I itemised it as less than half that cost and similar to what a PC was.
I get it though. The facts hurt your point. So I'll write a few more that will hopefully make you wake up to how wrong you are on this issue.
1) Quadro cards haven't been used since the introduction of the original Titans when it came to the Adobe programs. There is 0 gain to be had for the increase cost when relying on CUDA processing. On older Mac Pros there are PCI-e break out boxes that will allow the addition of multiple gaming grade GPU's, and on newer Mac Pro's (also iMacs, MacBooks and more) with Thunderbolt 2+ there are breakout boxeses to get the same if not more computing power that you could add to a full size PC server tower.
Here's a picture of when I sidegraded 2x Quadro cards to Titans in a grading suite a few years ago (OS X). These people don't give a stuff about saving a few dollars if their entire workflow would need to be rejigged into taking more time to do certain tasks and produce a substandard product. They spend big because their clients spend big to get the work done to a certain standard and within certain time frames.
2) Xeons are the same processors as used in the Mac Pro line. You could purchase a barebones Mac Pro shell and put in cheap Xeons if you wanted to the same way you would a PC - provided of course that the architecture matches the chipset.
3) There are very popular plugins for Adobe programs that only work on OS X versions. For instance I reference transcoding to ProRes codecs earlier. If you know anyone who works in the field will tell you how great a ProRes workflow is compared to working in capture codecs, or even Avid DNxHD free codecs.
Why would you tell me I am in the minority for it? Try doing a creative degree at university or working in the field with a Windows only machine and telling people you can't use system wide font scaling (i.e. fonts in windows can look different depending on the program, OS X they look the way they should from all programs, to rendered videos and to printed paper), or try telling people you can't work with a ProRes workflow and will require an intermediate transcode everytime you want to edit a source file.
People who work in creative fields don't want what is the best price for performance. They want the best product that will help them make the best product they can. There's no reason to save $1000 on computer parts if you will gain more than 10x that amount from clients paychecks and save time doing day to day tasks as OS X is faster than Windows when it comes to application loading, closing and so on.
Lastly, anyone who has sat down with high end machines of both Windows and OS X will tell you that OS X preforms faster in almost every task. The OS is just better when it comes to resource management.
You need to be a bit more pragmatic and opened minded when it comes to Windows vs OS X - not everyone who spends $2k on a MacBook just uses it as a facebook machine, you know?
This is a quad core i7
@c0balt: Thanks for above info. Never knew about pic-e breakout boxes & think these could be useful in my industry. Will defiantly google it.
Lastly, anyone who has sat down with high end machines of both Windows and OS X will tell you that OS X preforms faster in almost every task. The OS is just better when it comes to resource management.Please provide the reference for these
people. Please Provide benchmarks to show why OS X preforms faster in 'almost every task'.You need to be a bit more pragmatic and opened minded when it comes to Windows vs OS X - not everyone who spends $2k on a MacBook just uses it as a facebook machine, you know?I think you're who needs to be more pragmatic and back-up your sources.
Generally, I found out macbook can perform better than pc even it has lower spec. The fan on regular laptop is very loud, hot, and on almost all the time, the higher the spec.
I found out macbook can perform better than pc even it has lower spec.
That's a misconception and a blatant lie. Prove it. You can't, because more transistors yields better performance.
I can't imagine any macbook beating somehting like an ASUS ROG, MSI, Dell Precision, HP Zbook in rendering videos or running resource heavy simulations.Buy a better PC then.
I don't need a lesson on heat. lolYou get what you pay for. Why do you think Lenovo is the #1 PC maker in the world?
Stop purchasing cheap windows laptops and expecting the performance of an apple macbook pro, which is often 1.5-2 times more expensive. Buy the business grade windows laptop and it'll last you over 5 years.@cDNA: Please just be quiet lel. Do fanboi's have any idea of how their babbling looks to everyone else? It makes you look like the last person you want to hear advice from.
You've already stated that you have no idea of how things work in this posters field and your making blanket statements like "more transistors equals better performance" as though CPU throttling causing lower spec cpus to outperform high spec cpus in different mobile devices doesn't occur.
as though CPU throttling causing lower spec cpus to outperform high spec cpus in different mobile devices doesn't occur.
Buy a better PC with a reliable cooling solution AKA most business laptops. It's really that simple.
I use Linux and Microsoft software. I wouldn't say I am fanboy. All I am doing is trying to educate a bunch of clueless apple sheep who are painting a picture that APple is somehow superior when they don't even make most of the hardware in their machines. Seriously…
A $2400 Windows laptop (LEnovo T serises or HP Elitebook) with a 6th generation skylake processor performs better than this macbook pro 15" in every single way.
yeah um speaking of business grade laptops is a lenny e560 good enough for you?
i literally have one next to me right now, and it's 3 months old. the touchpad would completely stop responding even after a full unit replacement TWICE and there are a multitude of driver issues and just lousy windows-related driver/aftermarket optimisations. their support sucks, and they're looking to exhaust all the repair/replacement avenues before they issue me a refund, and this whole process has taken two months already. yeah, nice business-class support.yeah, lenovo! :DDD?????!!!! #1 pc maker in the world!!!~~~ xDxDdd :DDDDD
lenny e560 good enough for you?
You bought the shittest lenovo business laptop. A $800 laptop. lol
You deserve all the problems you're getting. Their cheap support does suck that's why you should buy the premiere or the NBD support, but their X1 Carbon Gen 4, P series, T series and workstations are bad ass.All I'm saying is stop defending Apple and insulting $800 windows laptops and just buy a comparable windows laptop over $2000.
@cDNA: But you're not. Your comments are filled with non-sense.
Yes, you might like Windows and it might suit you perfectly. But that's you.Specifications aren't everything, different people use different hardware and different operating systems for different purposes. It's great to have an opinion. But when you debate it so heavily and insult others, people stop caring what you say and start thinking the other way.
They're not filled with nonsense. Perhaps to a button masher such as yourself but not to anyone who works in the computing industry.
My 2 cents. I work in the IT industry and have done so for the majority of my life. Comparing busing grade windows laptops to apple products, I am noticing a substantial transition to macbook computers everywhere. It seems people in many fields i.e. software development, cyber security, digital forensics and game developing prefer to work on a macbook even if they have a choice between computers.
I've found the same that my MacBook seems to manage power better and run faster with the same CPU than my ultabook with windows. I think it's partially because Apple design the hardware (using intel and 3rd party chips and some custom) and control the software so have more control over an "end to end" product vs my ultrabook ….. windows laptops vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, you load windows and windows has to make "generic compromises" based on how much effort was put into drivers for the vast array of combinations.
Macbooks are the only laptops I know of that you can use on a doona for your pre get out of bed work as they don't suck air in from the bottom like most laptops …. most need to be on flat surfaces such as tables to allow ventilation. I have PCs (windows) and an Imac, and MacBook and ultrabook. I don't bag people who can afford nice things …. don't get envious of guys in bmw who could be driving corolla for less, or guys with attractive women in nice cafes if they can afford the life style. Got to spend on your money something and if it makes you feel good enjoy it.
P.S I have the PCs because there are things I know how to do on a PC (often at command prompt or powershell) that I could probably achieve on a mac, but I'm too time poor to bother learning.
@garage sale:
Firstly, Apple use ONLY Intel processors in their laptops and desktops. They haven't designed PC chips for many years. So they have zero advantages in hardware. That said, they do use the more powerful models of CPU compared to some cheap laptops, but so do many of the more expensive Windows laptops.Secondly, there are a vast array of laptops that don't use the underside for ventilation. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find any current model laptops over $1000 that use underside ventilation, for the exact reason you mentioned.
My original post, which seems to have kicked off this storm of fanboys and apologists posting wildly, was a simple response to the OP who said that this offer was "a great computer for those that need a little more power for video editing and Photoshop and CAD." Which is not really the case - this is at best, a mediocre computer for those tasks, since it's somewhat under-powered and in the case of CAD, requires specialist software or Bootcamp+Windows to be useful.
If you really want to perform those tasks on a laptop and have the horsepower to be truly productive in your endeavors, you'd use either highest model MBP, which at least has a dedicated GPU, or you'd choose one of the many alternative Windows laptops which are far more capable and powerful than either model of MBP, and much cheaper to boot.
please name a few, Im looking for one for photoshop and video editing.
Assuming you're serious: there are heaps of gaming and business-grade laptops that would be suitable. So it will depend on what you value most.
For the thin and light: the Dell XPS 15 is relatively thin and light and has basic specifications similar to the top-end MBP, including 16GB RAM, an optional high-resolution screen and large SSD, but is both smaller and has a much more powerful GPU. RRP starts at $2700 for those specs, but it's easy to find 10-15% discounts and often much more.
If you'd prefer something with more grunt, the Metabox Prime P650RE has an even more powerful GPU and an optional 4K matte IPS screen. You can literally select the other parts you want, including up to 4 SSDs and 64GB RAM. Pricing is around $2500 with Windows and 4K screen.
Of course, you really don't need a high-res screen for either of those tasks - just a quad core processor and a decent GPU. For under $2k, you can get the Dell Inspiron 15 7000, which still easily out-performs all of the MacBook Pros, but only has a 1080p screen. But I would budget for an SSD upgrade if you're playing with larger files - the hybrid drive is tolerable but not wonderful.
You would have to pay gst and customs on his wouldn't you?
possibly if they are shipping from Hong Kong not Australia , yes., if Kogan haven't charged gst already on the invoice. good question
They are shipping from Australia and this is sold by Kogan Australia not Kogan HKG
You must verify with them BEFORE you purchase. They can't be trusted. Lied about the AU delivery to me in their eBay ad previously.
my intel CPU came from Sydney ….. seems depends on what you order…. if it's Kogan Australia then they've paid GST.
I don't think so, since it's sold by Kogan Australia and item is shipping from Melbourne, Australia not overseas
I enquired about a 13" macbook air, and the kogan rep said posted from melbourne with a GST inclusive tax invoice. I was about to order, but then double checked the delivery date - may 17 or something (and kogan have a bad rep for taking ages to post). My problem is I need it in a couple of weeks as going overseas, so not going to risk a kogan late order.
Can u still get applecare on grey imports?
on computers, yes.
Thanks
Because you come across like 'that guy' that stands on a box in the middle of the mall preaching Jesus' second coming. A shepherd without his flock.
Thats why.
Jesus is true, jesus is life, jesus loves all.
nice price, but like hill.homec's comment i'd wait it out for wwdc for their new rollouts.
also lmfao anyone who is comparing specs to specs is not looking at the much bigger picture. windows 10 is literally scum on the bottom of my wellies, it is a deformed result of the merger of two UIs that works worse than their individual counterparts, which has given me trouble even after countless reinstalls on separate pcs. it makes even the beastiest hewlett packard or xps a pain to use.it makes even the beastiest hewlett packard or xps a pain to use.
You're incompetent. Don't blame the OS, often it's the user.
Windows 10 in combination with access to linux servers is literally a power user's dream. If you think the work of the world's smartest software engineers results to "scum on the bottom of my wellies", then you really need to get educated. Start here.https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/microsoft_press/2016/02/08/…
HAHAHAHAHAHA
It really isn't funny. You are obviously not familiar with MIcrosoft's products on an enterprise level, so you laugh like an airhead. A lot of government systems depend on Microsoft, Dell and HP's enterprise divisions.
Windows 10 Professional and Microsoft Azure is an example of the future of computing.windows is not enterprise ready when compared to the really big sites. Google, Amazon, eBay don't run Microsoft they Are Java on some UNIX system.
Windows can try but it's not there.
Win10 anyday errday
I like windows 10 except for the reinstall when you upgrade hardware ….. or move to a new machine. But them Microsoft need to make money on the OS …. apple made money on the hardware so after that it's more about the user experience.
I don't understand why every time there is an apple product there are a few butt hurt fools who can't stand that different people like different products.
Spec for spec they are not as good, but there is a reason why they have such large user retention rates from pro creative designers and engineers all the way down to uni students. How about musicians? Ever seen a band or DJ use an xps? Nooooooope
If you don't like the product, just keep walking it's that simple. Because lots of users do for very good reasons
Ever seen a band or DJ use an xps?
DJs are peasants. Most of them are computer illiterates, so who cares what they use. They don't contribute anything meaningful to society and all music except classical is rubbish.
I honestly don't care if you like it or not. I'm going to set things straight, because people still think that APple Macbooks run on apple hardware. Business grade laptops have large retention rates too. Why is it a bad thing that the largest computer manufacturers offer budget notebooks?
I don't understand why every time there is an apple product there are a few butt hurt fools who can't stand that different people like different products.
Believe it or not, the price of your notebook largely comes from the hardware inside and I don't think it's fair that Apple isn't forthcoming with the actual specs of their notebooks on their websites and datasheets. You do realise what they're doing, right? Buying discontinued processors and memory for bargain prices and selling them at the same price as current hardware. The premium metal tax you are also paying for the macbook pro shell is also massively overpriced from the raw material cost. That alloy they're using is patented and nothing special. They have the best business model and market strategies for making a profit. It truly is amazing that people aren't phased by this at all.
Their shareholders are also zionists who truly are the best profit makers in this world and I hate that about apple.
Rofl "I'm gonna set things straight"
OK Kanye. You tell em
Must be fun living in a world where no one gives a toss what you think. Let me know how that goes for you. Because, you know, I care right?
Sometimes the sheep need to be driven in the right direction.
Don't worry, I'm not going to bother with the guy who thinks what DJs use are worth looking at. You're probably another one of those Stereosonic zipperheads.
Wow. What did DJ's do to you? You obviously know nothing about music.
Rofl..what do DJs know about music?
I don't listen to music for peasants. Classical or go home.The DJ got the babe and he missed out …..
nobody uses the term "peasent" the term is "rustic" ….. peasant food doesn't cool ….. rustic food food ….. that's cool …… stayed in a peasant cottage vs rustic cottage……
When I did computer science, I purposely bought a macbook just to rustle the neckbeards' jimmies.
A lot of computer science and it students use macbooks, though.
The funny thing is that they are always that same people. Whatever the topic is, if it is related to Apple they will spend their time and dedicate themselves to that. Anti-Apple fanboys.
What about the 13 inch Macbook Pro? Is that due for a refresh this year? Should I hold off or jump on it? With the 15% off it's about $1550 is
if one gets refreshed, i highly doubt the other won't as well. just hold off until wwdc, get hypeddd
It is due for a refresh
That being said, that's what everyone has said for 2 years nowUndoubtedly you're looking at 2g for the base model at launch minus the usual 10% off sales. So maybe 300 difference all up
If you actually need a computer now, you won't be disappointed. It's a great machine. If you can wait, you might get maybe a marginal bump in clock speed and battery life. But if money's tight and you need it now, will you really notice that?
aren't you discounting the possibility of some new feature? so not just the same ol' tick tock minor performance improvement, but actually something (imo) useful like force touch in last year's model?
that being said the 2016 macbook12in refresh was nothing major so you may be right.Hard to say hey
Just don't wait forever ;p
Thanks for your reply guys. Decided to go for the Macbook Pro 13. Was about to buy but looks like kogan don't ship to me "Doesn't post to QLD Far North". Wtf Kogan.
This is a good price for the macbook pro. There seems to be a divide here between those who appreciate the build quality/warranty/OS etc of apple products and those who purchase regarding raw specification/power. I can understand both camps point of view.
An alternative for those looking for power in a portable unit is the MSI GS40. It has more recent and powerful specs such as:
Nvidia GeForce GTX 970M GDDR5 3GB
Intel Skylake i7-6700HQ
8GB DDR4 RAM
128GB SSD (PCIE GEN3 NVMe) +1TB (SATA) 7200rpm
USB Type C porthttp://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MSI-GS40-6QE-14-Phantom-Gaming-No…
However, there are reports that the build isn't that rigid and concerns about MSI's local warranty. As well as this, the styling is not as refined as Apple's which may be wanted for a business environment.
Thanks for posting this deal. I'm sure somebody has been looking specifically at this device for a while and was able to purchase it cheaper than they normally would be able to.
Although the discussion has gotten a bit impassioned, it's good that people are suggesting alternatives. It may help someone be more informed about their next big purchase.
Remember that computers are tools used to achieve a task, and that one person may have a very different set of tasks than another person. Just like a painter needs a paint brush and a carpenter needs a hammer. However you never see a carpenter arguing that a hammer is the best tool for painting a wall.
If it is not super urgent, I would strongly encourage people wanting a MacBook Pro to wait until Apple's WWDC event on June 13th.
The MacBook Pro is a year overdue for a major refresh and rumour sites give this year a very high chance of a new look.
But a great computer for those that need a little more power for video editing and photoshop and CAD.