Hi
We got a lot of requests to bring back this deal, we previously listed this in April.
Basics of the Offer:
- $750 of Total Talk and Text | $350 to Anyone + $400 to Live Connected
- 1 GB of Data
The price shown is with advertising, to Opt out costs $3.
There is a $20 Starter pack cost.
tks
Rates are located at: http://www.liveconnected.me/products/Endeavour-20.html
Call Rates
Voice & Video call Rate (per min) 85c
Flagfall 35c
Standard National SMS 25c
International SMS 35c
Standard National MMS 50c
International MMS 75c
Voicemail Free deposit & standard call charges for retrieval
Data per Mb 45c
so is that mean for the first month will cost you $20 starter pack + 27.99 monthly fee?
Do you have anything that doesn't expire after a month?
Im new to the whole concept of receiving mobile service from anyone other than telstra, three, optus etc…
Is there anyway someone can explain how these work and if there are any other similar offers from similar companies.
How dodgy does a mobile reseller have to be to register their domain in Montenegro?
What, no ABN to get a .com.au?
A few scams to beware:
- 1800 /13 calls not incl, so charged at obscene rate (standard for Optus? 35c+85c/min or part thereof)
- 1st GB included, 2nd GB costs $450!?
- similar with voice: a little over quota means they got you.
Good if you never make a mistake in monitoring your usage, and can avoid 13/18 numbers.
I wouldn't call them scams:
-13/1800 numbers are included in the apollo plan i believe. just not in this one.
-Most cap plans that give a lot of credit, have huge costs when you go over. Monitoring your usage is a small price to pay for all that extra credit….And you would have to be pretty stupid to download another gigabyte on top of the first on. Point is, dont go on them if you cant stay within the cap.
I lot of people have had shocking unexpected bills, and they are not stupid.
Even if they were, it would make it worse - gouging money from people who can least afford it.
If this class action against the banks succeeds (for unjust penalty fees), the telecos will be next.
I want to see them argue in court that $450/GB (or worse) is not a penalty.
lot of people? a small minority. what you're describing are all telcos in general. No need to direct at this one. I know TPG charge $2/mb which would account to $2000/gb. It is ridiculous. But no different to every other telco. Just be careful, and 99.999% of time you wont have a huge bill.
@venu: Correct it is common, but there are exceptions.
e.g. TPG http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/23417
Those are the sort of deals that deserve to be promoted here, IMO.
but caveat emptor and all that.
Personally, i find those 1300/1800 numbers can really add up very fast, at a few dollars for a short call.
And I don't like the optus prohibition on VoIP.
@freddy: I dont see how that TPG deal is any better.
The best TPG has to offer is 20$ for 300$ credit.
These guys offer the same amount of credit, + 300meg credit. They are not scams if they are clearly stated…
As venu said, be careful and you wont spend over your cap. If you do, its your own fault (most cases) not the provider
firstly, the class action was quashed by asic because it was found to be unsubstantiated. If you cant keep good record of your finances then you should be penalised. i would be more understanding if we werent living in an age of tech and it was hard to find out things. Similarly you can check your phone usage… Maybe say once a week and lo and behold you can alter your usage accordingly. its not that hard, people are just lazy and complain but always want the best without working for it.
Secondly, 1800 and 1300#… Ive heard of a device called a home phone… Dont know whether youve heard of it. Its pretty cool an 1800#s are free..
@JDogman: …the class action was quashed by asic…
No it wasn't. It's still going ahead with 85,000 people signed up so far, and yes, the phone and internet companies are next.
JDogman, you are completely out of touch with your comments. It was only at the end of last year that the big 4 banks reduced or abolished some of the fees in question because they knew they couldn't get away with it for much longer.
It's not about being good with your finances, being lazy or whatever - it's about fairness and not taking advantage of the most disadvantaged in society and those who can least afford it.
I consider myself to be reasonably good with my finances (I've been on the disability pension for most of my adult life), yet I still have been penalised $40 by my bank several times for inadvertently overdrawing my account.
@camelgrass: Ah camelgrass, where do I start.
It is laziness and let me tell you why. I'm assuming you didn't know that most banks will reverse fees for those on centrelink payments. That is account keeping fees, overlimit fees and late payment fees. It's called research, do some, I did. However I must say I stumbled across ANZ's fee policy on accident as I wanted to find out about annual fees for credit cards. Google this, "ANZ fees" and you will be linked to this pdf:
http://www.anz.com/Documents/AU/feecharge/ExceptionFeeWebpag…
and in there it states "Recipients of Government benefits who hold an ANZ Access Basic account will not be charged an Overdrawn fee, Dishonour fee or Periodical Payments Non-payment fee on their account."
and
"ANZ charges a flat rate of $20 for credit card Overlimit and Late Payment Fees. ANZ consumer credit card customers who are recipients of Government benefits and also hold an ANZ Access Basic account will not incur these fees."
and once more a little research (and proof for camelgrass) I googled "asic class action."
Link here: http://www.theage.com.au/business/asic-blocked-class-action-…
The Age I assume is a credible enough sorce?
So ASIC did not "quash" the class action but they're being extremely unhelpful to IMF Lawyers, so when an governing body doesnt cooperate with these lawyers then clearly they dont want to have anything to do with it and the chances of IMF winning is slim. Not only that, if those lawyers win the supposed $5 billion, they plan to take 25%. Everything has a catch and their 1.25 bill cut is their catch.
Furthermore, I'll make this my last comment. It clearly is about laziness because, sure Ive overdrawn my account once by $10 and got charged a $30 dishonour fee. You know what I did, instead of copping it, I picked up the phone (home phone because 1800# are free on those) and called and asked them to reverse the fee. They said sure. I know of friends who get late payment fees and interest reversed as they always pay their credit card in full but forget some months. It's about being proactive. No one likes to pay fees, its just some people dont do anything about it and need some lawyers to get their money back whilst others are able to utilise their brain and think of other solutions to the same problem.
@JDogman: No, it's not just about laziness, that's just blaming the victim.
When the Big 4 have a stranglehold on banking in this country and it doesn't really cost them $20 and above in lost interest for a day or two, that's called gouging.
Of course IMF lawyers are taking a 25% cut, they are upfront about that in their disclosure statements. No catch about that.
@retiredfeline: Did you know that without overdrawn fees NAB saw a 70% increase in people overdrawing on their savings account. These fees are a deterant. People can't just spend money willy-nilly and not be held accountable. There's a system in place for a reason. I'. the same like you, I hate paying fees. But I avoid all fees through doing the right thing.
You make it sound like I should give you a pat on the back for paying your credit card on time. Good work.
I do agree that $20.00 is quite dear, that's why I'm not late, I don't go overlimit and I pay off my credit card in full.
It's exactly the same in this case, you go over your cap and you are going to have pay tonnes more.
BTW, it is about laziness, did you not just see my research that I did. You can't say that you knew about the fact that those recieving government benefits would get their late payment and overlimit fees reversed. Don't whine and whinge, do something about it. As I said if you get a fee, call them up and get them to reverse it. Don't now say, but that's a waste of my time and they shouldn't charge me in the first place because that equates to laziness.
@JDogman: Just because they let you have your late fee back doesn't change the fact that the amount of the fee is disproportionate to the cost to the bank. The banks are milking it for all it's worth. They have no benign interest in deterring people from being late.
@retiredfeline: It affects a lot of things.
You do know that banks don't actually have all the money that they loan to people. They borrow off the reserve bank, invest it on an institutional level. Deposits in bank accounts are all added together so that they can give out homeloans. And fees + interest is where they make their money.
If someone is late on repayments, bank are required by law (ASIC and APRA) to set aside a certain percentage of their cash in case of default. This goes for someone even being a day late. Of course, on average this doesn't equate to $20.00 and it would be nice if the fees were lower. Therefore this money can't be used for investments etc. Therefore it affects the shareprice which in turn affects your super/share portfolio. Not only that, it affects the taxes they pay and it's the corporation tax that runs our country.
As I said, I agree the fees are high, but that said I don't agree that they're unfair because in society and life in general every decision you make has a repercussion.
@JDogman: If they were not nice to you which they were not required to be, you would not be posting this, but probably be arguing for the side of the fence. That's hardly a consistent stance.
@retiredfeline: Hey, I got a dishonour fee from CommBank a few months ago because I typed a BSB wrong and they weren't willing to waive it. I copped it. So I've had fees reversed but I've been flatly declined as well. It was my fault because I typed my BSB wrong, just like how it's everyone's fault if they're late or overdrawn.
I tried to get it reversed, they said no and I'm fine with it. It was my mistake. Move on, I haven't made the same mistake again.
@JDogman: BTW, the assertion that what's good for the banks is good for the country, is the same one that the miners are trotting out now. Any industry can use this meme. It shouldn't be swallowed without close examination.
@retiredfeline: No, I'm saying corporations are the reason why Australia's economy is doing well, not just banks.
And yes, what's good for Australian banks is good for the country but it is ironic that the ones most likely to pay fees are usually those of low socio-economic status but those same people are the ones getting government benefits and where do those government benefits come from (mainly); through the tax of corporations.
I'm all for bank fees, at the end of the day they help build schools, hospital, just like how your tax does the same thing. It's just that the distribution of this wealth affects those who have to pay fees more than me.
@retiredfeline: Truthfully, the discussion has been quite enjoyable for me. For your sake I do hope they win but I am highly pessimistic about it.
And I think agreeing to disagree is a nice ending (the only reason why I have some much to crap on about this topic is because my girlfriend shares your same point of view).
@JDogman: Thanks. I have very little riding on it. I consider that even if all of my one and only late fee is taken by the lawyers, instead of 25%, I would like to see this point tested and all the arguments trotted out in court. It should be interesting.
@JDogman: JDogman wrote:
…I’ll make this my last comment…
LOL
Thanks for doing all the research, JDogman - I still happily and strongly disagree with you.
The message I get from your comments is "customers' 'laziness' is justification for exorbitant fees by the banks".
I wish I had such a simplistic view on life, it would make it so much easier.
THIS IS MY LAST COMMENT.
@JDogman: i agree with JDogman. Stop blaming life, and start being responsible.
Even speeding tickets are overcharged. That's life. Are you going to take class action against everyone?
@venu: I don't speak for the others in the class action, but I don't blame life. I've paid a few parking tickets and such. However I am in favour of this class action because in general the money is better off in the hands of the customers who were overcharged than in the bank profits.
Don't blame life is a facile reaction when there is a point to be tested here. You could just as easily trot that out when consumers get the short end of the stick and organisations like Choice work towards preventing these rorts. Dismissing it as "it's your fault" isn't a productive response.
Besides what have these class action people done to you, other than draw your scorn? If they want to take on the banks, let them. Let's see what happens.
@retiredfeline: But what im saying is, in the majority of cases the customer is in the wrong by going over the cap (or speed or whatever). The banks/telcos/government may charge excessively, but that's a secondary issue. People can lobby for this to change all they want, thats fine by me.
But by staying under, you can avoid all the hassle. So don't put urself in that situation! Is it too much to ask?
@venu: Good, so let them lobby for fairer fees. Is that too much to ask without labelling them as complainers?
Registering in Montenegro was probably to get the "novelty" .me suffix, just like TV stations register in Tuvalu to get .tv. I doubt if the cost of the domain rego has anything to do with it. As for the other points, I have no comment, but fortunately I'm not looking for a new provider but I were, I would be wary of this one if the stories here are true.
I doubt whether this is a scam, especially given that these guy's run credit checks on customers and even reject them - as per hfhf comment.
Wouldn't this be considered poor scamming practice to turn away even a high credit risk customer?!
I'm not a customer yet, but have flagged these guys as a must try.
Keep on pushing these offers
Nice cap plan, though too much for my usage patterns. The recently revoked Apollo 10 plan would have been perfect for me but I found out about it all too late :(
I couldn't get myself registered with them. Pretty shady services. They refused to sign me up quoting that i have failed their credit check and closed my case immediately. Strangely, i could sign up with Optus postpaid $49 cap.
guys i would try to avoid them. i sign up when they brought this out back in april and someone posted here on ozbargain. i thought it was a great deal, well its not. my bill for the 1st month was $103. thats no where near the "$29.95" as advertised. mind you i emailed them back and forth during the month to avoid that situation, and surpise surpise i got a big "wtf" phone bill. complete fail on their behalf.
i'll wait and see what my next month bill is like, and if its shocking again… then i'll take it up to the onbudsmen, and sign over back to TPG.
-1 UNHAPPY LIVE CONNECTED CUSTOMER
oh and here's 34 pages (so far) of "WTFail" on whirlpool. its founder, Roshan Mahanama, goes by it. and if your reading this (Roshan Mahanama), i want my 70bux or so inwhich you scam off me refunded.
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1371524&p…
dude people warned others about the first month pro-rata issue. it's your fault you did not fully comprehend what you signed up to
What network?
optus
After reading all the links, I think I'll steer away from this deal.
$100+/month bill and having to deal with their customer service sounds pretty hellish to me =/
there is an explanation for the huge bill - which apparently will be rectified. i'm switching over but going for the apollo 20
Yeah the Apollo plans sounds good. Same as TPG but with included data.
Would switch to Apollo 10 in a heartbeat but it's not offered any more :(
im on my 4th month with these guys, they are awesome
Guys, just stick with the more RELIABLE, PROPER providers. these $750 deals have really stupid rates, which is probably equivalent to a regular $29 cap, which isn't that great to start off with.
I suggest you avoid them.
how are these rates stupid? Vodafone caps are 90cents a minute biller per minute with a 35c flag fall. 28c sms. they also charge $5 per mb on a 29 cap without a data bundle or 50c/mb on other caps outside of the inc allowance. On an equivalent voda cap, the 49, you only get 50mb. So for half the price a month you're getting the same credit, cheaper rates and 1gig of data….
im with them on this deal, and yes, their customer service is annoying because its via email. i also got smashed by the pro rate billing with a $130 odd dollar phone bill. so pissed off about it and wish more was explained about the pro rata period. ill stick it out a little longer n see how it goes, may change back to optus though. Also, their usage calculator is terrible, you have to add everything up, cant track data properly, basically no way of tracking your usage conveniently. I thought i was under for my first bill but no, 138 big ones.
Are you serious man? Their rates are EXACTLY like optus/tpg/vodaphone/telstra, just cheaper…
No idea why people would avoid them.
As an example, lets look at the optus 29$ cap you get 150$ of credit.
Cost per minute: 92 cents or something + 35 cent connection fee.
So how the hell is liveconnecected crap? Give me some proof to backup your troll comment
@ shiny1, ur wack mate, no idea what your talking about, FOOL! liveconnected have been awesome for me +1
call rates and flagfall are expensive, but with guys make less/little call out, with 1 GB data, at less than 30 bucks, i think this is quite attractive.
i am currently using 3 network, 39 bucks with 3GB download, some special promo last year, not too bad, but network coverage of 3's 3G network is kinda poor.
i've been with liveconnected for nearly 3 months and have no issues with them. people are complaining they got screwed on the first month because they were not aware of the pro-rata issue and the GST excl. rates quoted when they check their bill.
just got to be alert for these.
You quote $750 of value, but no call rates?