Would You Like to Know if Someone Died in Your House?

So I bought my first house 5 years ago from an agent. Everything seemed pretty normal, being a first home buyer I guess I didn't probably ask as many questions as I should've

Anyway, about 2 months after first moving in I got quite good mates with one of my neighbours and he asked me if he didn't mind telling me if I got a steal on the place. I said I thought it was a reasonable deal, definitely not Ozbargain worthy, and when I asked why he thought I should've got a steal he told me that the gentleman (60+) that lived here before me for the past 15 years hung him self in my shed. I did a kind of awkward laugh and blew it off as this might be his kind of morbid humour, but I couldn't shake it so went next door the 80+ year old lady and straight out asked her.

She invited me in, had a cup of tea (best shortbread I have ever tasted) and proceeded to tell me the full sad story about losing his wife and only partner to cancer and couldn't bare to live alone anymore so ended it in his/our/my shed.

As they years went on you really don't think about these things. I also don't believe in ghost/spirits/magic tarot cards or anything of the like, but there has always just been something creepy about the thought. I've now moved out and it has become an investment property. I did not tell the agents handling the home when they asked "anything else we should know". I didn't say a thing, but for some reason I can't seem to shake the feeling that maybe I could've been more open.

I guess I have no legal right to let the tenants know, but if you were a new tenant, would you like to know? Or would knowing make you move out straight away? Curious to know peoples thoughts.

Cheers

Poll Options

  • 10
    Should I tell my agent the story so they are aware and can inform the tenants as necessary?
  • 8
    Should I leave it be and hope my house doesn't end up on a new Foxtel Haunted Houses show?
  • 153
    Ghost are silly, stop being an imbecile and move on with your life.

Comments

  • +55

    you havnt done anything wrong
    you can go to sleep now :)

    • +15

      Thanks mate, goodnight :)

      • +5

        There were ~2800 suicides in 2014, a fair few of those would have been at home so you just knowing the specifics is the only difference here.

        • +1

          Exactly, you only needed to be more open if they were murdered or back when people burned women for looking like witches and hung garlic up to ward off evil spirits.

  • +15

    35 years ago my parents owned an inner city workers cottage which they rented out. an old bloke lived there for years, no trouble, paid the rent on time(monthly), etc. any way, the neighbours had not seen him for a while and knocked on his door and looked over the back fence - no sign of him. the mail started to pile up and the concerned neighbours called the police who gained entry to the house to find the man had passed away in the front room a month or so earlier. So during that time he had started to decay. So, 15 years later my parents decided to sell that place. I'd forgotten about the old man, but as I ripped up the carpet and underlay in the front room the memory came back when I saw the large dried up stain of bodily fluids on the floor boards…

    I asked my parents if they were going to mention it to the land lord when they were eventually going to sell it. -"hell no" was their response.

    in answer to your question. I wouldn't like to know.

    • +3

      WTF

    • +1

      "bodily fluids"

      That is hectic!

      • +7

        At least you didn't have to deal with this:
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-25/sydney-house-where-bod…

        I know somebody who also lived and rented an apartment in HK which previously had… get this, a woman that was brutally raped in her home and then commited suicide by overdosing on drugs. He didn't know the story about until after he had settled in and checked out the HK equivalent of RealEstate.com.au and double checking with the neighbours.

        They keep a database of houses which have interesting histories… you can access the db here.
        http://www.squarefoot.com.hk/haunted/

    • This didnt happen to be in Bowen Hills/Albion area in Brisbane did it? My old boy way a copper and everytime we drive past together he tells me about a job he went to where the guy was 'melting through the floorboards' because he had been there that long.

      • no, in Abbotsford Melbourne.

  • +12

    That's definitely something you'd rather not know. Ignorance is bliss. Someone committing suicide would creep me out, I'd probably end up pulling down the garage as I'd always be wondering about crazy morbid details most likely, exactly where did this event occur.

    Someone dying a natural death wouldn't have the same effect on me.

    One of our tenants was convinced there was a spirit in a house we rented them, but as far as I know no one died in the house. They felt it was a positive presence and were fine with it. I've never seen a ghost but I know someone who has, and I believe them.

  • +5

    I'm almost curious enough to spend the US$11.99 to find out…

    https://www.diedinhouse.com/

    • Pay your money but they may not be able to tell you anything.

      Perhaps not even the chances that they would be able to tell you. Is it even ozBargain linkworthy (esp as its a US based service)?

      • +1

        Well who ya gonna call? ;)

  • +5

    In short - No! I've always relied on my intuition when it comes to finding a house to live in. They all have a 'feel' about them. Some have a lovely feel to them and others…. just nothing.

    As others have said - Ignorance is bliss!

  • +1

    I think if the real estate agent knows, they have to disclose it to the tenants. I've a friend who rents a unit and the agent told him upfront there's a guy died in the property before and that it's now haunted. TV would suddenly turn on, baby toys suddenly sings etc. He got his rent really cheap though.

    • +14

      I seriously doubt there is a hauntedness law. I seriously doubt your friends house is haunted. I seriously judge people who believe things like that.

      • -1

        well those toys did play up by themselves when we were there. But I didn't really care since I didnt live there.

        • +47

          Well according to top OzBargain scientists [affiliated with Aliexpress, DWI, Shopping Square, Banggood], there are clear scientific reasons for "hauntings":

          Toys/TV randomly turn on/off: you bought batteries that aren't Eneloops so the erratic power is causing them to turn on/off.

          Random noises, screams and shouts etc are caused by humans who forget to buy Xiaomi Powerbanks run out of battery and can no longer access Facebook and Instagram.

          "Ghosts" who talk to you or attempt to talk to you are simply people who desperately need to talk to people. This is why they are typically grandmas or grandpas. Do not be alarmed, if you activate a $30 starter kit with unlimited calls for them they will leave you alone and bother their grandkids instead. Sometimes you will be given shortbread and cookies or invited to fishing trips.

          If you live in a rural area and what look like "zombies" bang on your door, just look a bit more closely and you will find they are actually just tired city folk on vacation without a phone with Band 28. Just give them a cheap Telstra 4GX Buzz (and perhaps a Powerbank for good measure) and they will be happily on their way.

          Any "ghosts" with sharp objects such as knives, scythes or daggers are simply people who don't know how to cook meals for themselves. It is highly recommended that you redirect them to KFC for 9 pieces of chicken for $9.95 if it's a Tuesday. If not then you should be able to get a coupon for Domino's pizza from the pizza page.

          Yes all these measures cost money, so it is advisable you either make the aberrations pay for the goods or pay you back later. Don't forget about cash rewards!

        • @StrayfireX: LOLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if there's a vote for the best comment, I'll vote fore you XD

        • Haha. We built our house and in the last hour my son's Chuggington train has made noises twice, despite being turned off. Every now and then a toy will make a noise when you need to press a button to do that. Toys just do that, it ain't ghosts.

        • @compacc:
          Probably the soldering wasn't done well and the switch is randomly short-circuiting.

    • +2

      This is true, when I got my real estate salesperson registration, we were taught we had to disclose it if we were aware of it. Best not to tell your agent, then the principle of 'buyer beware' comes into it for buyers (if you want to sell) - its up to them to do their due diligence research. Then only if they specifically ask you "has anyone died in this property' and you lie, then that's potentially a civil legal issue.
      As a seller, you aren't obliged to do the disclosure for them unless asked.

      • I love that lack of obligation :P Btw I'm curious if the house next door to the house you're selling is a half way house, and smokes like a chimney all days of the day/night, do you have to let the potential buyers know?

        • +1

          Why would you? You're selling a property, not an "experience". It's up to the buyer to satisfy themselves that they're happy with the surrounding area.

        • Don't take it as firm legal advice, but as callum9999 said, its up to them to decide if they are satisfied with the purchase.

          As an individual, you only have to tell them if they specifically ask about that issue, because in limited circumstances it can become an implied term of contract if they seek clarification and you lie immediately prior to them entering the contract.
          Although if there is a 'four corners clause' in the agreement saying they can't hold you to any verbal representations given, that may help you - (i.e. if its not written down within the 'four corners' of the page, its irrelevant to the terms of the transaction… Reason to always get important things in writing).

          Even then, provided you are okay with sounding suspicious, you can respond with an answer that you are not prepared to give representations nor guarantees, and ask them to please make up their own mind if they are happy with the neighbours. Just don't lie nor lie by direct omission.

          However, businesses in trade / commerce who are selling property may need to be aware of consumer protection laws when selling to consumers.
          Work on the principle, don't tell your agent because for them ignorance is bliss, it allows them to not have to disclose bad things because they weren't aware of it.

    • +4

      When I bought a house in Melbourne at an auction, the real estate agent only mentioned that it was a deceased estate. I found out a few years later that the previous owner had died there and laid undiscovered for a while. That doesn't worry me, but had I known at the time, I could have used that info to get a lower price ozbargain-style.

    • Also heard that agents must disclose it. Seem to recall a big case of some Asians cancelling a contract of sale on a house for not being told as it was very important in their culture/religion? Agent knew of the death because was an an obituary hunter looking for properties to list.

  • +3

    It's not relevant and who cares anyway, if you don't believe in supernatural elements he's not gonna come back and haunt you. It's more out of a curiosity's sake for me anyway.

  • usually they note it as a deceased estate but there might be rules around that (whether he owned the house or rented or whether he has a will and has given his house or they are forced selling) not sure

    • +2

      This is a completely different issue - a deceased estate simply means the executor of the Will of the deceased person is selling the house on behalf of the beneficiaries… the owner could have died in a hospital in another country, it has nothing to do with the location of the death.

  • +44

    Even if there's been a holocaust in a house in Sydney, I'd happily live in it if it means I can actually afford it.

    • +5

      rofl

    • +1

      I'm so gonna go to hell for laughing at this…

  • +3

    No problem for me. I actually live a couple of houses away from a cemetery, which I have never given any thought to, but a couple of my Chinese friends have told me they could never live that close

    • I walk my dogs in a cemetery everyday! They love it…probably can smell the rotted carcasses in the ground!

      • There's a reason they are 6 foot deep

        • +1

          So what's the reason?

          Grave depths can vary. Most can be 3-4 feet deep. Hell, farmers usually bury dead livestock that can weigh a tonne no deeper than 4 foot, and that's not even in a coffin.

          Thinking that 6 feet is the magic measurement so scavengers can't smell or dig up a carcass is wrong, because they can and could if they persisted. Anyway, this 6 feet reasoning thing is a consensus fallacy. Dogs have been tested to detect cadavers buried up to 40 feet deep.

    • +4

      I'd rather a cemetery than some of the neighbours I've had over the years… no parties or loud music, no mowing at the crack of dawn on a Sunday, no dodgy cars hooning the streets or their kid's friends hanging around! Most dead people have a habit of being fairly quiet and keeping to themselves!

  • I'd want to know if I was purchasing. Not because it makes any difference to me but because of the other twits out there that might.

    If you watch shows where people go out and test electromagnetic fields that were always there and think artifacts in images caused by lenses and light are clearly evidence of ghosts or the afterlife you'll probably confirm these beliefs for yourself by attributing noises from beetles mating and temprature changes to the victim who is hanging around still.

  • +2

    Don't think you have to disclose in Australia, but think in some US states you have to disclose if someone died in the past few years - varies from state to state.

    • +4

      I think you do now. But yes interesting topic.

      I would want to know and would not want to live there. Don't believe in creepy things but hey there's gotta be something out there.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sef_Gonzales

      The North Ryde house where the murders took place was put on the market, arousing controversy in October 2004 when the prospective buyers, a Buddhist couple, learned of the home's history. They had not been informed of the events that took place there, finding out from a newspaper only when the balance of the sale value was due.[8] After this incident was publicised the NSW government made it illegal to sell a house without disclosing murders that took place in it. LJ Hooker eventually refunded the buyer's deposit on their purchase due to the bad publicity it caused for LJ Hooker. The real estate company was also fined $21,000.[9] In November 2005, the house was sold for $720,000 ($80,000 less than the initial sale) to a buyer who was aware of its history.[10][11]

      • +3

        I've always been interested by that statement, "there has to be something out there"

        I have friends who have believed in ghosts since they were kids and swear they have "seen things". Where as I have never believed in such things and have never had the pleasure of seeing anything.

        If you don't believe in creepy things, have you ever seen anything?

        • +1

          I've never seen anything, or even if I have I would just brush it off. Nothing has stayed in my vision long enough (more than a glimpse) for me to determine that I am seeing something.

          But this opens a whole new topic for exploration. We need a new post like "Have you seen anything 'dirty'?"

        • +3

          In my experience the type that believe just assume anything they cant explain is a ghost.

          A couple of examples from facebook posts:
          - Random door closes or opens in the house. Ghosts!
          - Orbs in photos. Yep those are spirits, one was her dead dog IIRC.
          - Dog reacting to somehting and she cant see or hear anything.

          To the rest of us the doors moving is just a slight breeze. An orb in a photo is just the flash reflecting of dust close to the lens and out of focus. Dogs have better hearing and smell, it is expected they will notice things that we cant, doesnt mean it is a ghost.

        • +1

          @Duff5000:

          Exactly this, i was driving last night. Thought i saw a glimpse of Scream just outside the window. Figured it's not possible and was probably just my hoodies reflection.

  • My parents house is haunted by 2 ghosts… Given that it's over 90 years old, who knows?

    • In what way is it haunted?

      • Not having a great deal of experience, in the usual way I suppose. One was an old man - you couldn't see him directly, but you could see him through a reflective surface (e.g. a switched off TV, glass / polished panelling on furniture, etc), and you could feel him sitting next to you on the couch / bed, and the like. The other was a cat (lol) and it just did cat stuff.. Sitting on it's bum, licking itself, jumping on furniture. Once again you couldn't look at it directly, but this was visible from your periphery vision as well as the reflective surfaces.

        Both were confined to the old section of the house, and didn't enter more recent extensions. And they were both benign.

        • This is interesting, did you ever personally see either?

        • Both, several times. As have both parents, and my brother. My sister hasn't. They're not an every day occurrence, and they are independent of each other.

        • @airzone: I have/had a friend very similar, he lived with his folks a while back and his Mum/Dad/His Brother and Himself all swore they saw this old lady reading the paper at the kitchen table at random intervals during their 3.5 years there. I would've visited/stayed over 50+ times and never saw a thing.

          On a side note I'm not friends with them anymore and the Dad ended up with serious mental health issues and had to be admitted for some time. Not sure if related or just a coincidence.

        • @dazzywazzy: You hear stories from people, and I try and look at it objectively.. Unexplained noises could be vibration in the ground, pipes, etc.. But it's a bit hard to offer an explanation for seeing in a reflection someone strange walk behind you, only to have none there… No drugs, I swear :)

        • +8

          @airzone:

          It sounds like the power of suggestion to me. You briefly glimpse a reflection, don't immediately make out what it is, and your brain tells you it's the ghost you've heard about. I assume your brain does this for a laugh.

        • +4

          Would hate to think what the number of ghosts in 'existence' would be if every lifeform since the Cambrian explosion had the possibility of becoming one!

          Joke aside (terrible?), I always enjoy hearing of hauntings. Drawing upon multiple scientific theories of a multiverse, imagine flipping a coin. At the moment the coin lands, our current universe spawns two, but we can only perceive one result in each, at that point in time. Now picture stone skipping across a lake. Each skip a change. Each ripple a new universe. The waning energy of the proceding ripple may collide with the present. Bit of a stretch with that analogy, but perhaps a bit of each of us lives on after death, in a fading universe from which was once branched from, and on occasion colliding with a universe someone else is currently perceiving. This ain't necessarily what I believe - just a mere thought.

        • @dazweeja: Not a glimpse.. Think about looking in a shop window, and seeing people casually walking past behind you. You can follow them with your eyes.. But in this case, when you turn around there is nobody there lol…

        • +3

          @airzone: not lol. Not lol at all

        • @havok44: Certainly not at the time. My parents live there on a daily basis, so they are a bit more blase about it.

        • +5

          @dazzywazzy:

          the Dad ended up with serious mental health issues and had to be admitted for some time. Not sure if related or just a coincidence.

          You have the cart before the horse. The Dad thought he saw ghosts because he had serious mental health issues, not the other way around.

        • +1

          @airzone:
          http://www.cracked.com/article_18828_the-creepy-scientific-e…

          Could be that there's some cause of infrasound in the old parts of the house.

        • +1

          @dazzywazzy:

          Interesting read
          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folie_à_deux

        • +1

          @IIMurphaII:

          This is theory of superposition/schroedingers cat level introspection that leaves people feeling strange if they ruminate over it too much

        • +2

          I kinda like the idea of a ghost cat. It would save on food and you wouldn't ever find any "surprises" deposited anywhere.

        • @airzone: No you haven't, ghosts don't exist. You imagined it… (yes, all of you)

    • +10

      Given that it's over 90 years old, who knows?

      I do, it's not haunted.

      • -1

        A non-believer!

        • +1

          I am also a non-believer. But in the same way as I don't believe in God or Aliens. If I see either in my lifetime I will become a believer, but until I see something with my own eyes, I simply can't comprehend believing in something that isn't factually proven. But that's just me.

          I never discredit other peoples faiths or opinions however, that what makes us all individuals :)

        • +2

          @dazzywazzy: The way I see it is in an infinite universe, anything is possible.

          If you haven't already seen Hubble's extreme deep field photograph, check it out.. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/science/xdf.html

          It puts into perspective how insignificant our little corner of the universe is. If there's not more life out there, then we are truly special snowflakes.

        • @airzone: there probably is other life out there but you are not talking about other life, you are talking about people and a cat who have died.

          I don't see myself as a non believer as you can't not believe in something that doesn't exist.

        • @airzone: Here's my slightly mad take on this. We are an experiment.. a race of humans growing in a petri dish that we call "the universe". There would have to be multiple universes with either other races, or other instance of the human race inhabiting them. My only questions would be, who/what is pulling the strings and why!? And that, we will probably never know because who/whatever is running the show is far more evolved than we are.

          And thinks like ghosts? They are simply glitches in the fabric of our universe, akin to software bugs. I was playing BF1 open beta recently and saw a 'ghost' of a horse tail, just dangling mid-air. It eventually went away once the game sorted itself out and managed to refresh the screen correctly.

        • @onetwothree:

          as you can't not believe in something that doesn't exist.

          Doesn't that double negative equal a positive, therefore you are saying, I don't see myself as a non believer as you can believe in something that doesn't exist.

        • @dazzywazzy:
          out of curiosity did you notice that the house felt cold?

          i lived in a rental years ago and the previous tenant had committed suicide there, all of us noticed that the house was like an icebox. the house was also noisy at night time, almost there was someone there. it was a shame but it had a really creepy feeling about the places. needless to say we only stayed there a couple months.

        • @timewasting: Felt nothing mate, just felt like a normal house to me really. Shed was also a "normal" shed and without knowing the history wouldn't even be thinking about it!

    • -1

      My parents house is haunted by 2 ghosts…

      You see ghosts? I see dumb people.

  • +13

    People have died pretty much everywhere so I wouldn't worry about it.

  • When my wife was a student, she lived in student accommodation with several others while they went to college. The house master / owner died one night in the kitchen, and she came across him the next morning. She was apparently more annoyed than anything though, because she had to call the cops, organise a funeral director, etc.. Apparently he had no family, and was a bit of a sleeze, so the girls weren't terribly unhappy about it.

  • +5

    I think by law if a serious crime as in murder or death happened in the house the realestate has to mention it? This was from the case where the entire family from epping got murdered and the house sold on to a person that had no idea and was able to grt out of the sale.

    • -1

      Yeah but I guess hanging yourself in the shed wouldn't be deemed a crime right?

      • +2

        thats true but i would liek o confirm if its regarding serious crimes OR a death in the house.

      • Isn't it a crime to commit suicide?

        • +1

          Not in Australia

          In some other countries attempted suicide is a crime

        • +3

          @kurnugi:

          I think suicide used to be punishable by death.

  • +6

    I'd like to know if someone died in my house while i was living in it. Otherwise not that fussed.

    • +1

      This is what I thought OP was asking when I saw the title

  • +11

    Just because you dont believe in ghosts doesnt mean they dont believe in you.

  • Just in time for halloween :),

    If there is ghosts then at least there is afterlife right?

    Anyway interesting tidbit, in NY you have to disclose if your house is haunted:

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8435418

    http://m.mentalfloss.com/article.php?id=29123

    I am not sure about the law in Victoria and whether sellers are supposed to disclose all material facts regarding a house, go see a lawyer if you are no longer comfortable living there. That's what I would do,

    • +1

      I'm no longer living there, it's just an investment property now.

      Guess only time will tell if I get a bill from the Rental Agents that Ghostbusters had to be called. Guess it's still a tax deduction right?

  • +5

    People are only scared of other peoples death because it reminds them of their own.

    • +4

      Heavy

    • I know what you mean now but when I first read your comment I thought of it like a Bruce Willis/Sixth Sense kinda way and had a "whoaaaaaaa" moment

    • And the multitude of diseases that a dead body can host.

  • +1

    Anyone sensitive to this should be thankful they're not living in parts of the old world. Many homes, especially historic ones, have probably seen many waves of war, famine and desease. Newer homes are almost guaranteed to be built on land that's seen its fair share off such too. Seems unavoidable in places of so long history.

    • -2

      Calm down dude. I'm very well aware and educated in history and don't take anything for granted….Doesn't mean I can't feel a little uneasy about someone handing themselves in my shed.

      • +2

        Just a random statement - not directed at anyone in particular. I do apologise if it came across a bit strong. I would feel uneasy too and would most likely ponder the same things.

    • Nothin happened on my land cos its in 'the new world' and Australia was Terra Nullius before that….

      • +1

        Using the term 'old world' was not the best, as Australian has had a very long history, but I wanted a way to quickly describe the continents of Europe and, perhaps incorrectly, Asia. I meant no offence by it. Having said that, with a land the size of Australia and maximum estimated population of around 1 million Indigenous Australians with no known major decline in population until European settlement(of course history is obviously scarce here), there is fair chance nothing of that nature has occurred on your property over the past 40-60 thousand years (depending on location of course). Anyway, I'm no expert in this area and don't pretend to be, so who knows?

    • I love those places and all the history. Alas I worked at a historic society, and at my branch many people have died, though suicide and illness. All the staff believe it's haunted, but idk… I'm more scared of the bats in the garden.

  • +21

    i think the old lady did it. she's lived in that same spot for thousands of years, killing whoever moves in next door. driving them to insanity where their only escape is the sweet, sweet embrace of death. it all starts out when she offers them some tea and some unearthly tasting shortbread. whatever you do, don't eat the shortbread, or you'll be next!!! mwahahaha!!!

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