During the Promotion Period, Eligible Customers will receive their first six month’s service for an Eligible Plan at a discounted rate as follows:
- $40 incl GST for the 12 Mbps Plan (normal cost is currently $60 incl GST);
- $60 incl GST for the 25 Mbps Plan (normal cost is currently $70 incl GST),
after which the Eligible Plan will be charged at the normal cost.
No contract, $0 activation fee and BYO modem or purchase their pre-configured NetComm NF17ACV modem for $140.
$10 credit to both the referrers on Unlimited Plans and referees. Referee needs to provide referrer with their email address.
Same no problem here BTW FTTN
How much are the phone calls? Do you keep the existing number?
Fair enough. I get full speeds at peak times. No complaints here
If you are the only person using the internet connection, then 12/1 will be OK.
If you have a family, then save yourself the whinge from the wife+kids, skip to 25/5.
happy wife, happy life.
I would love 12/1 on adsl , we get about 5 and have a heap of devices connected and a ten always online/ streaming etc. it's OK but 12 or 25 would be my choice.
I'm thinking with a family even 25/5 will be a struggle. Once you have a couple of Netflix streams going, and trying to use laptops/PCs at the same time it's going to hit a limit.
3.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for SD quality
Thats for netflicks - 12 megabits will be enough.
I'm guessing peak hour congestion is going to suck, the only way to run NBN plans cheap is to cheap out on CVC.
It's the Turdbull solution in action. He also attempted to prevent the wholesale cost of internet being lowered - twice.
The party that would have benefited from this most was Telstra, Australia's largest ISP. The benefit would have come at your expense.
He [Turnbull] also attempted to prevent the wholesale cost of internet being lowered - twice.
The only change in the MTM solution is to change the last mile technology. The wholesale pricing model designed by Labor has remained largely in place. Under the Liberals the price of CVC has fallen significnatly faster than Labor planned (down from $20/Mbps to $14.40Mbps average).
NBNCo reported that the average FTTN speed is 70Mbps. The ACCC NBN Wholesale Market Indicators Report reveal >80% of customers are ordering 25Mbps or slower. At those speeds there is neglible difference in performance between the fixed line technologies.
The party that would have benefited from this most was Telstra, Australia's largest ISP. The benefit would have come at your expense.
I'd suggest it was the payments Labor negotiated to pay Telstra for each and every customer moving from copper to fibre that have given Telstra a huge warchest. Telstra' existing dominate market position also helps.
Most are on lower speeds simply because of the high price of nbn services compared to previous broadband.
The want to replace their adsl and for similar speeds they now , generally, have to pay more.
But the speeds you are talking about that people order is not the capacity the isp buys.
@PVA: NBN for similar speeds they have now is not more expensive. I get 6/1 on ADSL2 right now for $60 a month.
I can get 12/1 on NBN cheaper, or quadruple my speed for the same price. How is that more expensive?
@PVA: No. But just had a look at internode/iinet and it's still comparable. It's not more expensive.
@jesseboy89: ones I have looked at NBN is is more expensive, they have their own adsl in exchanges ( not just cheap resellers like dodo etc)
I guess there sno line rental anymore, but like this ISP some don't offer phones either. ( nbn is meant to be phone/ data)
@PVA: The NBN wholesale pricing has two components:
The NBN is delivering faster speeds that ADSL, although clearly very few (14%) are willing to pay for the faster speeds.
RSPs are clearly of the opinion that the highest demand is for unlimited quota plans at a low price. This decision has two impacts:
Based on this there is a niche market for high quality RSPs selling only plans with quotas.
@PVA: A phone connection on the NBN is VoIP, so it is only as reliable as your internet connection. It was included only to avoid criticism that people's phones were being disconnected.
Honestly with mobile plans offering unlimited calls for $9.90, it is hard to justify a home phone on financial grounds.
@PVA: my point is my current ADSL2 provider is internode. I'm on their equipment. And nbn is cheaper with them, and even more so with the budget providers too.
@jesseboy89: Internode is now part of TPG group with iiNet and offers unlimited plans so should be considered a budget ISP.
it is hard to justify a home phone on financial grounds
If you have NBN, a home phone need not cost anything (in terms of monthly fixed charges). There are a few VOIP providers who provide plans with no monthly fee, and calls are cheap. Have a look on the Whirlpool VOIP forum for providers.
Example: Mynetfone's "whirlpoolsaver" plan has:
- no monthly fee
- 10c calls to landlines anywhere in Australia (calls up to two hours)
- calls to mobiles are 15c per min, with per-second billing (an 8-second call costs 2 cents)
BUT, if other people want to call you, you have to pay a $5 annual fee to "lease" a standard phone number. There are ways people can call you without this, but it's a two-step dialing process, unless the caller is also a mynetfone customer.
You'll also need some hardware for this, as it doesn't use the telephone socket on the NBN box. You can either:
- purchase an ATA, to plug your existing landline phones into (about $80), or
- just use an old (or cheap new) mobile phone, connected via Wifi, running CSipSimple or similar application.
If you are going to be making a reasonable number of calls, there are bundles that are even cheaper. Mynetfone's "Neosaver" gives you 100 free landline calls for $4.95/month, and includes a standard phone number so other people can easily call you. Calls to mobile are a little cheaper too, at 12c/minute, with per-second billing. Neosaver also allows you to call international to 31 countries, with calls priced the same as local landline calls.
If you have NBN, a home phone need not cost anything (in terms of monthly fixed charges). There are a few VOIP providers who provide plans with no monthly fee, and calls are cheap.
Most people have a mobile phone. Mobile lans with unlimited calls for $9.90.
VoIP is an additional cost, no matter how cheap. Possibly VoIP makes sense for overseas calls, but Skype, WhatsApp, etc. are free.
My mobile phone bill comes to about $4/month, so I don't have an unlimited plan as it would cost me more. The VOIP bill for my entire family comes to about $6, so my share of that is about $2. Adding those together means my call cost is a total of $6/month.
This is one of the reasons that unlimited plans aren't the only type of plan available. There are plenty of people who don't want an unlimited plan, even at $9.90/month.
@mathew42:
Thanks. I put all of my family on Mynetfone, so all of our inter-family calls are free. Because of that, we don't ever get through the 100 included calls offered on the Neosaver plan. But we do get through more than 50 calls a month, so it's the cheapest Mynetfone plan for our usage.
For mobile, I recommend the Cmobile Red Annual plan. $50/year, with $50 included value.
It helps that I have WiFi at home and at work. So it is pretty rare that I need to use mobile data, but with Cmobile that's pretty cheap too for the small amount I use.
Ah yes our standard political comment. Surely by now you have saved the world from all conservatives, and we can enjoy what bargains we have left
what are the phone rates like with these?
Just read, they provide no phone at all. You need to go to another provider.for that
yeah I couldn't find any mention of it, thanks.
A bit odd that a mobile phone company doing NBN doesn't sell phone over it.
I'm surprised they don't through in a sim & a $10 phone.
Phone plans through an NBN provider are not worth it, there are cheaper options. See my post above.
@Russ: yeah but people who want a home phone on the NBN will generally have NFI and just want internet + phone service via one company. Otherwise how could you explian the marketshare of Telstra?
Amaysim could offer a telco service easily. it'd be another $10-$20/mth for doing not much. it really surprises me.
Any good modern recommendation?
Contemporary recommendations can be hard to come by.
I thought the NBN network was for phone and data and once you switch those services will then be on the nbn network. And that you would always have the two when you switched over.
This ISP offers zero phone services, data only, so you can never have a home phone service, call to base alarm system, medical alert system.
It's called VOIP… So yes you can have a phone service
Also home phone (hello year 2000)
Medi, alert needs a home phone. So does my parents. Not everyone is young and hip sir.
With the NBN it is arguable that mobile phones are now more reliable than a home phone, because for a mobile:
Manufacturers are building mobiles for increased accessibility. I expect the range and quality will continue to grow.
@mathew42: spoken like a city slicker :-) When you have to walk outside just to get a Telstra signal, not much use in the rain/night time or for incoming calls.
@supabrudda: If your Telstra signal is that bad you are either in a blackspot or more likely outside the fixed NBN footprint. In which case the copper phone line will be maintained.
There are some options for mobiles with greater range and also boosters or repeaters. Of course this changes the equation.
A good bargainer looks around for a voip provider rather than always taking the bundled offer
Its your money you can save
there is a whirlpool deal here
+1 to selecting a separate VOIP provider and not use a bundle.
There are some pretty good deals out there.
The NBN will soon be an old technology especially with 5G being around the corner
A mate of mine that works in the telecommunications industry told me that unlimited 4G data bundles with phone plans are in the pipeline and we would probably see them in the second quarter of next year
wireless won't beat fibre, it's physics.
5G is good in theory, but it's all about available spectrum, sharing it & backhaul. It's like saying we should increrase the speed limits in a congested road from 60 -> 100, everyone will still crawl along at 20km/h
I doubt any of our 4g networks would have the capacity to offer unlimited 4g data at a reasonable rate. Sure for maybe $200/mth, but I can't see how they could do it for under $100/mth because their network would just slammed by data pigs like me.
Optus is already doing this with vivid on a dedicated spectrum with 4G
I got close to 1TB of downloads last month 😏😏
<bows & scrapes> I stand (well bow) corrected sir. what sort of speeds do you get?
@easternculture: second that! on it since dec, ditched by ADSL for 10/1. 90bucks yes but worth the $$
I've been on it since February
Managed to get 14 free months , 2 via good guys free month and free referral month, then another 12 months with google adwords via referrals from a website I created
Waiting till next April when I repeat the process again with a new modem
there won't be enough spectrum to take on mobile and home users with 5G, that'll be a couple years after. 5G is meant to supplement wired connections not replace them in the near term.
Actually it will , but it's not like everyone will jump on it . Most people still prefer the traditional wired networks
It will also will be built to support driverless cars which will be the future of transport (especially in the gov sector to cutdown on jobs)
The government sector has the stronger unions and significantly lower risk tolerance than the private sector, so I would expect the change to occur first in private industry.
Actually no, it won't.
Wireless is always limited by Shannon's theorem, which says "you have this much bandwidth, and this much signal-to-noise ratio, this is the maximum data rate you can get".
Signal-to-noise ratio is pretty much fixed, probably getting slightly worse as more people use wireless. Bandwidth is finite too, you aren't going to be able to get the frequencies that are in use for other providers like the police, ambulance, aircraft, TV radio, and so on. Even if you could, signals above 4GHz fade very rapidly with distance due to absorption by the air.
So if you had all the radio spectrum up to 4GHz, at most you are going to get maybe a couple of gigabits per second, per mobile phone tower. With thousands of customers in its footprint, that means each user can get only a couple of megabits per second at peak period in the evenings.
The terms "4G" and "5G" don't improve this situation. 4G achieves about 80% of the data rate specified by Shannon's theorem, 5G is about 90%, so it won't be significantly faster unless the telcos can buy more radio spectrum. The improvement from 3G to 4G was also small, but appeared large to the consumer, because 3G was artificially constrained on how much bandwidth it would give to each customer. 4G allows the entire bandwidth of a phone tower to be allocated to a single customer, if there is only one customer using the data. 3G didn't allow that. Also the telcos did buy extra spectrum when they released 4G.
So how does the theory apply to high density countries like India and China who have 1/3 of the worlds population especially the congested cities like Hong Kong , Beijing etc
@easternculture:
High-density cities have fibre-optic internet, like China Unicom's FTTB offering, 30Mbps for about 45AUD/month. So a lot of people won't be using mobile data much.
Also, in large cities, they can put a base station on every street - often on street-light poles. If you're on that street, it's probably the only "cell tower" you can directly see, so few problems with interference. This keeps down the number of people on any particular base station, it's not like most of Australia with only a couple of base stations per suburb.
If you're at street level, there is also a lot of free WiFi available in many cities. So again we have a small number of users per Wifi "base station". Wifi is a good solution for crowded areas, as it is range-limited due to absorption by the air (the 2.45GHz frequency used in most Wifi is also the same frequency used by microwave ovens, because it is absorbed by water molecules, like the humidity in the air).
Note that Telstra are copying that concept, because they know congestion is an upcoming problem. Hence "Telstra Air", and the recent attempts to use the home modem of Telstra customers as a hot-spot for other users. Telstra are trying to get people to use things other than mobile data, because it's cheaper for Telstra, and it's currently the only real long-term solution for lots of customers in a densely-populated area.
@easternculture: Lower power base stations which cover a smaller area. This works with licensed frequencies, but doesn't with public frequencies because neighbours buy stronger transmitters to drown out other signals, increasing signal-to-noise.
4g is typically around double the speed of my fttn connection. Got to love those copper wires slowing down the speed. If unlimited 4g data deals come about at low enough price ($100 or less a month) and the telcos can provide the bandwidth with great service, then it's a no brainer.
Well how does that explain, that between 4pm and 10pm my network also slows to a crawl. I'm on FTTP.
2 Years ago i had no issue, now there are more on the NBN the speed is slowing.
That idicates to me that its not the Physical link thats the issue, its the backhaul.
Unfortunately you probably have no previous info to verify that this is the issue you face.
You statement could be correct, however 4G does have quotas and doesn't have speed tiers. FTTN has speed tiers and it appears that you are on an unlimtid quota plan.
To validate your claim that it is the copper, please advise what speeds the modem reports your line is capable of.
note that I'm not disputing that 4G is potentially faster than 80% of NBN connections and for people who use small amounts of data (<10GB/month) it makes beter financial sense than an NBN connection.
Dodo and TPG do 12/1 Unlimited for $29.90. This is a normal ongoing price, not special. Not sure if it's no contract though.
TPG unlimited is $59.90 without contract. Set up fee $99.95. $29.90 gets you only 10G data. They are not competitive at all.
Yeah you're right.
Shifty bastards advertise it in big print but don't mention the 10GB. You see them at shopping centers.
Plan to switch nbn provider as my current TPG plan is more expensive. Any feedback from current Amaysim users would be much appreciated. Thanks.
MyRepublic. $69/month 100/40 unlimited no contract.
MyRepublic. $59/month 100/40 unlimited 12 month contract.
Been with them for about 8 months. No problems.