Should Firearm/Weapons Deals Be Disallowed?

gimli on 08/08/2017 - 20:58
Last edited 27/05/2018 - 19:51 by 1 other user

Ozbargain tries to be a family friendly community/site. I know there are many deals which sometimes cross the boundary. (e.g. alcohol)
But i think the wider community consensus (not ozbargain but australia) is that firearms should be restricted. I don't think ozbargain should be promoting firearms

I know smoking advertising is restricted so there are no cigarette deals but if ozbargain started having such deals I would probably leave and troll elsewhere. The gun deals do me make consider this?

Just wondering what the community feeling about these gun deals are?

IMO. Gun deals will eventually cause negative public attention for ozbargain. So if I was the site owner I would disallow gun deals.

EDIT: grammar (see comments lol)

Mod (27/5/18): Due to a multitude of comments, reports and attacks, as well as feedback in this poll and in other deals, firearm deals are no longer permitted to be posted. Comment

Poll Options

  • 881
    Gun deals should be banned
  • 711
    Gun deals should be allowed
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Comments

    • nocure on 07/11/2017 - 15:56

      The ratio of trolls to normal users is to high ATM.

  • LiamF on 27/05/2018 - 15:36
    +5

    Option 3, mods - firearms deals should be allowed, but deals and posts regarding items that are restricted (e.g. alcohol, cigarettes/tobacco, prescription medications, other adult-only items) should be filtered from the front page and/or made opt-in, not opt-out. As has been mentioned, the NSFW tag already does this, so clearly there's some line there.

    • BlazinPast on 27/05/2018 - 15:50
      +2

      I agree with an opt-in system with deals that are considered controversial or adult only but still legal to advertise (alcohol, guns, vaporizers, sex toys etc). I don't understand the mods' inconsistency with allowing certain categories (guns) but not others (sex toys). I'm not interested in either, but they should all be allowed if we are trying to be fair.

      • belongsinforums on 27/05/2018 - 15:58

        Christian owner

        • BlazinPast on 27/05/2018 - 16:02

          Is that literally the only reason why? I don't know enough, but aren't condoms (which are allowed on ozbargain) considered bad in Christianity?

        • belongsinforums on 27/05/2018 - 19:48
          +3

          @BlazinPast: I'm shooting in the dark here

        • Dontreadthis on 28/05/2018 - 01:35

          @tomkun01:
          Well done.

  • mec on 27/05/2018 - 15:48

    should be a slider on the front page like the one on price hipster. It would have the filter on when you visit and you can slide to turn the filter off

  • Gamer Dad Reviews on 27/05/2018 - 15:49
    -3

    I Accidentally voted that gun deals should be banned, but I actually think that gun deals should be allowed. As a libertarian, I disagree with the gun laws in Australia anyway. David Leyonhjelm who is a Federal Senator represents my position on guns.

  • Mooncakes on 27/05/2018 - 15:59

    Looks like they should be banned now, seeing as you allowed them with only a 30 or so vote.

  • locknuts on 27/05/2018 - 16:02
    +1
    Merged from Why Do Gun Deals Upset People?

    Hey everyone,

    Just wondering why the gun deals that pop up seem to get people so riled up?

    We live in a country where regulations ensure that those who have firearms can most likely be trusted with them. Knives are used more often to commit murder here in Australia (http://crimestats.aic.gov.au/facts_figures/1_victims/A3/) and I've seen bargains on hunting knives where nobody negged them.

    The reason I ask is that I think shooting would be a fun sport, but I never like to overpay on anything, so I would like to be able to rely on Ozbargain for firearm deals when the time comes.

    Are people just getting 'triggered' because of the insanity going on in America, or is there another reason?

    • fossilfuel on 27/05/2018 - 16:05
      +1

      Just wondering why the gun deals that pop up seem to get people so riled up?

      Because we are angry about homosexuality, abortion, non-discrimination and feminism. First you take my 1c off Dominoes code, now I'm angry because you're trying to take my guns away.

      • smuggler on 27/05/2018 - 16:43

        First you take my 1c off Dominoes code

        That's not a deal. It's a douchebag trying to be funny

    • ronnknee on 27/05/2018 - 16:07

      Because it's easier to blame guns than people.

    • agam2104 on 27/05/2018 - 16:07
      +4

      there is no second amendment in Australia

      • locknuts on 27/05/2018 - 17:01
        +1

        That's why people get angry at gun deals?

    • [Deactivated] on 27/05/2018 - 16:13
      +6

      Because when an image of a gun appears on the internet, suddenly every child and thug will own one.

      OzBargain was literally giving out a rifle and a handgun earlier.

      And then we'll become USA.

      -as told by some OzBargainers over the last several hours.

    • poohduck on 27/05/2018 - 16:15
      -1

      I don't like this PC era. It's used to detract from real issues. It's like you could probably walk into Assad's offices and everything would be PC, and yet he is killing thousands of his own people. We get so caught up in bullshit and ignore the real issues. I believe Clinton was a good leader, and yet most people were concerned with him having an affair with a consenting adult!

    • tsunamisurfer on 27/05/2018 - 16:16
      -4

      Because very few people know….

      Guns don't kill people….people kill people.

      Guns don't load themselves.

      Guns don't aim themselves.

      Guns don't take off the safety themselves.

      Guns don't discharge themselves.

      I am not afraid of guns, I am afraid of bad people with ill intentions whether they have guns / knives (China) / Trucks (Paris).

      • Fiximol on 27/05/2018 - 16:34

        Guns don't upset people…people upset people.

      • p1 ama on 27/05/2018 - 16:39
        +14

        Unfortunately, this sort of logic is very wrong - nobody is saying that there are people behind every horrendous attack that happens, but it'd be silly to try and deny that the weapons play a big part in all of it. When you have nothing but your bare hands, how easy is it to actually kill someone? It'd be pretty hard and you'd be easily stopped by the public.

        The truth is that weapons were designed to cause maximum harm to the greatest number of people in the easiest way. You say that guns don't kill people, but if one finds it much more difficult to kill without a gun, then the guy plays a pretty big part in the act of killing people. Both guns and people are responsible. Without people, guns would never be fired, without guns, people would never be able to kill as efficiently as they do.

        • Fiximol on 27/05/2018 - 16:53
          +1

          There may be fewer mass stabbings but that's because cars are more often a "weapon" used in lieu of a gun for mass murder.

          Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world and one of the lowest death rates related to guns, and that comes down to education, training and social support (people are happy and not desperate so they don't want to kill others :P) as well as actual working legislation and a populace which is not politically interested to game the system.

          Guns are an immensely complex political and economic issue. For example in the US it is estimated that guns and arms are worth $50 billion to their econonmy. Politicians get voted in or out based purely on their stance on gun control. It's crazy messy. :(

        • p1 ama on 29/05/2018 - 00:23

          @Fiximol:

          I agree with you here, but I think that ultimately, from a public policy standpoint, we need to analyse things from the view of some benefit/harm ratio.

          For example, you mention cars, but cars are both much more beneficial and much less harmful than guns. Yes, cars may be used as a substitute in lieu of guns, but you're not going to be storming any schools or buildings with a car the worst tragedies involving "car attacks" seem to be on a much smaller scale than mass shootings.

          It's clear what benefits cars bring to society, I've yet to see any real benefit guns bring to society. Let's face it, guns are made to kill and the only thing they are good for is killing, whether that be killing other people, or wild animals or some combination of the above. I just think that the people who love their guns to the point of voting on that issue are simply brainwashed into thinking that guns are an essential part of their life and somehow linked to their freedom (which it's really not).

      • Georgevic on 27/05/2018 - 16:44
        +9

        Bad people with ill intentions with guns are much more dangerous than the same people with knives. There's a reason there's mass shootings but no "mass stabbings" with quite the same lethality. Someone with a knife is easily overpowered by a classroom of people their own size after injuring a few people, while someone with a gun massacres that entire classroom.

        Additionally, there's few legitimate uses for a gun beyond farming or "it's a hobby", while knives are actually essential everyday utensils. So it's restricting ownership of a gun, something specifically made to kill, vs a knife made for cutting rope or carving wood or chopping food.

    • JimmyF on 27/05/2018 - 16:47

      Why Do Gun Deals Upset People?

      Do you really need to ask this? You should know why.

      The reason I ask is that I think shooting would be a fun sport, but I never like to overpay on anything

      You poor thing…… Then do your own research for guns when you need to buy.

      • locknuts on 27/05/2018 - 17:04

        'You should know' isn't really an answer. In a country like Australia with the checks we have in place, I seriously don't get it.

        • JimmyF on 27/05/2018 - 17:26
          +5

          I seriously don't get it.

          Why don't you have a think about it then have a crack at why people are not wanting to see gun posts shoved in their face?

          Its not rocket science and if you really don't know the answer, then maybe you shouldn't own a gun.

          • locknuts on 27/05/2018 - 17:32
            +1

            @JimmyF: You seem to know the answer. Don't keep all that insight to yourself. My guess is that people are just confused and unreasonable.

    • Godric on 27/05/2018 - 16:53

      here we go

    • RockyRaccoon on 27/05/2018 - 16:54

      Ozbargain allows for deals to be voted down based on what is an opinion by some. Eg Caged eggs.

      So I see posts, like these as "payback"

      Frankly 140 voting up a Glock deal thats not even on sale, is just that.

      Push the boundaries with judgements on deals and others push back in other ways.

    • doweyy on 27/05/2018 - 16:55
      +1

      Well the Glock deal was RRP so completely normal for people to negative vote.

      • locknuts on 27/05/2018 - 17:05

        Yeah I get that if it's not a good deal it should be negged, but all firearm posts seem to get the same response to varying degrees.

    • altomic on 27/05/2018 - 17:00
      +5

      people on ozbargain are threatened that guns will become the the next eneloops, or the guns aren't powered by eneloops ; I forget which one.

    • Kangal on 27/05/2018 - 17:12
      -2

      After thinking about America's origins and the second amendment, it makes sense to take power away from the government and allow its citizens to have the tools available to combat the system if it fails. If people cannot think about a government turning sour, corrupt or failing… then they aren't educated/acknowledging the strifes of Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia, Maoist China, North Korea, Myanmar, and many other states in Asia, Middle East, South America, and Africa.

      If this was about a weapon that fires smaller rounds, is non-auto, and only holds few rounds per "clip" (eg a small revolver)… well, then it seems useful as a tool against tyranny without being as effective for a massacre. Id est, It isn't the shield that protects mankind, but the spear. However, we live in world with weapons like the large-clip auto Glock, AA12, and assault rifles… which make it significantly more effective for mass shootings, murders, etc without actually increasing the effectiveness over tyranny.

      So this feeds into the psychology of "I can get killed tomorrow on a regular day" versus "the system is corrupted and is coming to kill us".
      I think the real solution is education. We need to figure out where to draw the line, and educate the older masses, the middle-aged, and the young people. That way we want to have a system that ousts the corrupt, and we have police who refuse to take orders/do their job when they know it is the wrong thing to do (eg/ false arrests, brutality, perjury, suppression of free speech etc etc). People need to have a sense of value first and foremost, and take personal responsibility when applicable… and all of that starts with proper education.

      LD;DR - Guns are not the answer, education is.

      • locknuts on 27/05/2018 - 17:25

        It's almost impossible to get any of the firearms you mentioned in this country. I've only seen deals for guns that are legal in Australia. I think people are conflating 'gun deals' with 'guns'.

        Edit: I think I just found the answer to my question.

      • JimmyF on 27/05/2018 - 17:31
        +3

        LD;DR - Guns are not the answer, education is.

        education yes, but gun control is also pretty darn good too.

        Do we really need guns here for the general public? Do you feel you're missing out on all the shootings and mass killings in our school?

        USA is just crazy, police are over the top all the time, as its assumed everyone is armed. So they always have gun drawn even for simple things. I have seen one officer with the gun drawn when a car was pulled over on the highway, why the other one was talking to the driver. Thankfully I was zooming by, so was out of there pretty quick!

        We do NOT want to become like the USA.

        • locknuts on 27/05/2018 - 17:35
          +1

          We have a totally different constitution. There is no chance of us becoming like the USA.

        • Kangal on 28/05/2018 - 15:43

          @locknuts:

          You're probably right.
          Although I don't know why I have -2 Negs, when I stated: "LD;DR - Guns are not the answer, education is."

          It's like people are against Education. Do they really want a Nanny State? Or a hard-communist nation? What are we turning into? Society really is breaking down.

        • gilbarc on 28/05/2018 - 15:57

          @Kangal:

          Although I don't know why I have -2 Negs, when I stated: "LD;DR - Guns are not the answer, education is."

          There were three other paragraphs in the comment…

        • Kangal on 29/05/2018 - 01:26

          @gilbarc:
          Introduction, Body, Conclusion.

          Intro: There is a legitimate reasoning to remove power away from the State and into individuals
          Body: Weak/traditional firearms achieve this, Powerful/assault weapons diverge from it.
          Conclusion: Root cause is education. Instead of looking for band-aid fixes, we should address the real problem.

          TL;DR - Guns are not the answer, education is.

          Again, I find this topic quite fascinating so if people disagree with me I really want to find out why. Neg votes demonstrate either that they didn't read it and hate me, or it means they disagree with what I wrote. I think its important to have the discourse, since, I never admit perfection in beliefs. I'm always prepared to have my mind changed given the opposing idea is logical and/or accurate with current facts.

  • mailbrain on 27/05/2018 - 16:13
    -1

    I’m not a gun owner, nor do I have any intention to buy one, but I have no problem with them being allowed on ozbargain. They are legal but highly regulated. How many kids die swallowing LEGO ffs but we seem to think that’s ok. Vaping stuff should also be allowed

  • Stphen on 27/05/2018 - 16:21
    +5

    Problem with everyone having guns, there are more guns to steal.

    Gun theft doubled since 2007

    Hunting rifles account for the majority of firearms stolen, followed by handguns.

    Most are registered firearms stolen from private homes and farms and most are never recovered. Many of the guns end up on the illegal market, in the hands of criminals.

    Gun Control Australia says the national figure of 27,000 is conservative, because gun theft is under reported.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-09/gun-thefts-in-australi…

  • wfdTamar on 27/05/2018 - 16:39
    +4

    Would it be possible to have an ‘opt in’ system for contentious items? The default setting being to have them hidden, unless you choose to see them in your preferences. This could be part of the sign up process for new users and implemented for all with a notice that you can allow them (by email). You could have particular items, like firearms, or weapons, then sub categories like firearms, blades, other weapons. Alcohol, gambling.

    You could also have ‘opt out’ categories or items like say, fidget spinners, sex toys, eneloops :-)

    • timlaher on 27/05/2018 - 22:01

      A simple adult opt-in containing Alcohol, Sex Toys, Guns, E-ciggs, etc would be a good idea imo.

  • LiamF on 27/05/2018 - 16:39
    +8

    Two other things to note:

    • allowing frontpage firearms deals will probably lead to Ozbargain being blocked by people's workplace firewalls, which isn't a good outcome.
    • there are legal requirements for advertising firearm sales; how do Ozbargain's mod team intend to make sure that ads are compliant with the relevant NSW/state laws?

    Ping @neil or @scotty …

  • awnm on 27/05/2018 - 16:42
    +8

    It's very confronting to load the front page and find pictures of guns. I get that they are legal, but that doesn't make it less unpleasant to have them in your face.

    What is the logic behind allowing firearms deals, but not 'adult' products? Both are legal, both have their defenders, but only one is banned - and arguably the less troublesome one.

    • wfdTamar on 27/05/2018 - 16:46

      Well, not troublesome only if you have bought enough eneloops.

  • belongsinforums on 27/05/2018 - 16:46
    -6

    The snowflakes on this site. Jesus

    • wfdTamar on 27/05/2018 - 16:56
      +1

      People have different sensibilities or ethics. Or maybe don’t want their kids to see certain things. Just as certain things aren’t allowed to be advertised openly, some things are best out of sight. You have to wonder if showing things on the news creates copycat behaviour? Like driving cars into crowds, or even school shootings? It has the same effect as advertising.

      Maybe even yuppie royal weddings? Now if we could just combine a few of these things…

      • belongsinforums on 27/05/2018 - 16:59
        -1

        This is a private website. Snowflakes are not forced to visit this site

    • BlazinPast on 27/05/2018 - 17:30
      +3

      disagreeing with something is not being a snowflake. don't be a drama queen. not everyone is submissive like you.

  • Tyrx on 27/05/2018 - 16:54
    +1

    What's the deal with the raft of gun "deals" being posted recently, and this thread from late 2017 being suddenly bumped? Is OzBargain being brigaded by some hobbyist website or something?

    • wfdTamar on 27/05/2018 - 16:57
      +3

      I reckon it’s Trumps NRA mates using his Russian hacker connections.

  • henryph-am on 27/05/2018 - 17:45
    +2

    The table has turned (y) where are the mods?

    • chumlee on 27/05/2018 - 17:52

      On a conference call with Putin, Xi Jinping & all the others that thrive on censorship

  • Clear on 27/05/2018 - 18:45
    +2

    Throw in a free condom for LGBTQI with the firearms deal and this website would explode.

    /s

    In my opinion I think having these deals banned would be better for the mods and the community as a whole. While I think some people had stupid opinions on the matter, all this argument benefits no one.

  • mickeyjuiceman on 27/05/2018 - 18:47

    I see the mods weren't even willing to be honest with why they killed the Glock thread - "dumpster fire" is not "no deal, RRP." Which would have killed it from the start if they'd done the smart thing.

    • Moderatorneil on 27/05/2018 - 18:54

      Oh believe me if I were to tell you honestly what I thought, I'd have to ban myself. :)

      In any case, reason has been changed to Firearm Deals are not permitted. Hopefully we can move on and I can enjoy the rest of my Sunday.

  • rel on 27/05/2018 - 19:05
    +8

    It's a real shame that a politically neutral organisation has to yet again bend over backwards for a select group of people, due to fear of those people causing drama and bad publicity if they don't get exactly what they want. It's basically emotional terrorism what the political left are doing right now. And unfortunately, by giving in to their demands, it's only going to reinforce the behaviour.

    I don't own any guns myself, but it's a damn shame that other regular people will now potentially miss out on bargains.

    • Moderatorneil on 27/05/2018 - 19:13

      Again, this isn't a political decision. This is a decision that I (and probably other staff) enjoy our Sundays off. Dealing with this shit show (like the comments above) and the feedback from the community is why we are no longer permitting it.

      • Dominic on 27/05/2018 - 21:03
        +1

        10 firearm deals in a 10 years (according to yourself) yet the they are creating a workload so large that the only option is to ban them? Come on this IS political.

    • Quantumcat on 27/05/2018 - 19:16

      It's funny that people in the US would say the exact same thing, except it is the government instead of an organisation and political right/NRA instead of left.

    • Georgevic on 27/05/2018 - 21:02

      "It's basically emotional terrorism"

      Man, you make your life sound about 50000x more dramatic than it actually is.

    • gilbarc on 27/05/2018 - 21:37
      +3

      If by "select group of people" you mean the majority…

  • Abbi on 27/05/2018 - 19:09
    +5

    Fantastic result guys! Gun deals are NOT appropriate for OzB. The voice of reason and overwhelming majority have had a small win for common sense.

    I would say thank you OzB for seeing reason but apparently the only reason for this is because of the sh*tstorm of comments it causes, bah.

    Anyway, good result and one worth fighting for, well done OzB members!

  • Homr on 27/05/2018 - 19:11
    +1

    Great result, common sense prevails unlike Australia with the Yes or No voting.

  • wfdTamar on 27/05/2018 - 19:12
    +7

    They’re probably better placed on a specialty firearm owners forum.

  • timlaher on 27/05/2018 - 19:20
    +3

    This is very unfortunate, surely there could just be a Firearms category or even an adult content category for guns, alcohol and adult items?

    • Moderatorneil on 27/05/2018 - 19:29

      There have been probably less than 10 firearms deals in the past decade on OzBargain. Given the low amount of deals, this doesn't warrant a category. As a middle ground, perhaps we can have a firearms bargain threads where discussion can ONLY be about the guns/gun bargains (no pro/against comments) like we do with gambling (gambling deals also banned).

      I'd request that if you do go down this route to start the thread tomorrow please. :)

      • timlaher on 27/05/2018 - 19:34

        If I were to post more deals would that warrant a category then? It seems unfair that a category can't exist because it's now banned to post the deals. I feel like this whole blowup started when that other fellow posted a "deal" that wasn't even a deal. I believe he was trolling and was intending to get this result, causing havoc and getting things banned. The previous deal I had created was a lot more productive I feel. Is there any chance of a redress?

        • Moderatorneil on 27/05/2018 - 19:46

          If I were to post more deals would that warrant a category then?

          No, categories/subforums are a UI thing not a dumping ground for stuff we don't want to see.

          Is there any chance of a redress?

          No.

        • timlaher on 27/05/2018 - 19:50

          @neil:

          No.

          Why? Seems unfair that things can be polled to be banned multiple times, but cannot be polled to be unbanned.

        • Moderatorneil on 27/05/2018 - 19:55

          @timlaher:

          Seems unfair that things can be polled to be banned multiple times, but cannot be polled to be unbanned.

          I've now changed the poll for people to change their votes if they wish.

        • ThadtheChad on 27/05/2018 - 20:24

          @neil:

          Would it be possible to also revisit vaping related paraphernalia, or is that still verboten?

          I completely disagree with the banning of firearm posts (I think the fast food posts are more offensive tbh), but I definitely see the mod team's perspective. It was an utter dumpster-fire and a line was drawn, which I respect.

        • Moderatorneil on 27/05/2018 - 20:33

          @gearhead:

          Would it be possible to also revisit vaping related paraphernalia, or is that still verboten?

          That thread is here. Best to discuss there.

  • Stucuts on 27/05/2018 - 19:22
    +7

    Hate to say it Neil, you may have opened a pandoras box with this decision.
    Deals that people disagree with will now have precedence to be flagged.
    For example, sexualized or violent video games(no gta, battlefield, pubg), items that offend religions(bye bye prophylactics), foods that are deemed unhealthy( no more mcdonald or kfc), items that are descriminatory or deemed as racist by an individual or group.
    The issue is that ozbargain is an opinion site. What one individual sees as an item of value another does not, but we should be allowed a right to express that opinion if an item is legally allowed to be purchased.A discussion for or against is what makes the deal and site itself. Not preaching, but worried about the degradation of a good site by overly opinionated people.

    • neil on 27/05/2018 - 19:24
      +3

      Good, only Xiaomi products from now on!

      • Stucuts on 27/05/2018 - 19:27

        Feeling the frustration.
        Less gastric ulcers with Xiaomi products.

    • Abbi on 27/05/2018 - 19:29
      +3

      Don't be stupid. What other topic has this happened with? Your predictions of doom and gloom simply because people "disagree" isn't going to happen. If it was going to happen it would have already. People here are pretty cluey, fair and intelligent. The community has exercised a (majority) voice. Respect that.

      There is no Pandora's box to open.

      • Stucuts on 27/05/2018 - 19:35
        +3

        No need for the name calling, keep it civil.
        I honestly respect your opinion, but you should also respect mine. Our opinions should be equally judged by the the same cluey, fair and intelligent members you speak of. You have already judged them to be less than stated by removing the right to decide.
        After all it is an opinion site.

        • Abbi on 27/05/2018 - 19:48
          +6

          The majority have voted, they don't want gun deals.

        • ihavecentsnotsense on 27/05/2018 - 20:40
          +1

          I agree with OzBeergain - there no evidence to suggest any of your doomsday predictions will occur and, in the unlikely event that they do, the moderators can make decisions based on what happens then. Stucuts makes references to what ‘one individual’ sees as a deal, but this wasn’t the view of ‘one individual’, it was the majority of votes that were against the posting of firearms deals. Hundreds of people.

        • ThadtheChad on 27/05/2018 - 20:52

          @OzBeergain:

          Actually its not an overwhelming majority. There is a substantial portion of the user base that believes gun deals are of value.

          About 45% according to the polls.

        • Abbi on 27/05/2018 - 21:06

          @gearhead: You don't know the reasons they voted. It could be for many reasons.

        • ThadtheChad on 27/05/2018 - 22:38

          @OzBeergain:

          …and wouldn't it be likewise for the "anti gun" vote? Perhaps people would be more amenable if it was in a sectioned off forum? Regardless, at the end of the day the point is moot and the mods have spoken. So I'll defer to their judgement.

        • Stucuts on 27/05/2018 - 23:12
          +1

          @ihavecentsnotsense:
          I am not predicting the collapse of ozbargain or a doomsday, I am merely pointing out that this has set precedence and if for example, among others, a group of people wish to ban video games or movies that can be argued desensitize individuals to violence and increase the likelyhood that they commit violent acts, then they rightfully can and to some degree may be correct in doing so.
          The item is not illegal without a permit. Granted it isn't for everyone but i still feel ozbargainers whatever the numbers should have a right to decide for themselves if the deal is legitimate.
          I can't stress enough that i respect the for as much as the against but i respect the ability to decide and freely speak about it more.
          The decision is not as definitive as being right or wrong. It's merely an opinion based outcome on the amount of people who think they're right over the people they believe are in the wrong.
          It's a moot point now in anycase, it's Neil's site so he can do whatever he wants and he wants Xiaomi products from now on, unless they're sharp.

        • neil on 27/05/2018 - 23:27

          @Stucuts:

          Next up, people are going to want to ban Xiaomi deals… oh wait Who Else Is Sick of All The XIAOMI Deals?

        • Stucuts on 27/05/2018 - 23:31

          @neil:
          http://www.mychemist.com.au/product.asp?id=69719&pname=Quick Eze Tablets Multi Pack

        • Abbi on 28/05/2018 - 07:05

          @gearhead: The reasons are listed for "-" votes, that's a rule of this website. If you look in those now removed threads it said the reason, people find gun sales inappropriate for OzB.

  • Dominic on 27/05/2018 - 19:36
    +5

    The Ruger Scout deal was a legitimate bargain from a reputable retailer.

    None of the negative votes were in line with the established voting guidelines unless:
    A) the deal was not the cheapest available (it was the cheapest),
    B) defective product (no negs were about the reliability of the firearm) or
    C) major issues with the retailer (no one had issues in the past about not receiving item / shipping times etc which is what the voting rules describe an issue with the retailer to mean)

    So why didn't the moderators moderate this and allow people to vote based on political leaning and personal opinion?

    • belongsinforums on 27/05/2018 - 19:45

      Same with caged eggs

    • Moderatorneil on 27/05/2018 - 19:48

      Did you bother to read what I wrote? No, you didn't.

      • belongsinforums on 27/05/2018 - 19:49

        Your comment is slightly buried

        • Moderatorneil on 27/05/2018 - 19:50

          Fair call, now at the top and linked in description.

        • Dominic on 27/05/2018 - 20:53
          +3

          Roger seen now. I'm still unimpressed that people with open disregard for OzBargain's own rules get their way at the expense of actual bargains.

          I purchased a shotgun after seeing one on here and am in the process with the Ruger after seeing it today, saving over $1000. No crappy zapals or lightinthebox item, or stanley screwdriver or SSD card deal has saved me this much. Almost every firearm deal on this site (not the Glock one) is a legitimate bargain.

          I'd say allowing firearms deals is great for us bargain hunters. And if it very occasionally (10 deals in the past decade you said) stirs up some vocal members then who cares. No one is going to boycott the site because of 1 firearm deal per year. But bargain hunters after a new firearm will have to hunt elsewhere (pardon the pun) for the deal. Especially considering firearm sales are usually fiercely negotiated similar to new car sales.

        • HeavenlyHammocks on 28/05/2018 - 01:52

          @Dominic: I've received about 3 push notifications to my phone in the past 2 days for gun deals from Ozbargain. Considering I'm not interested, that's a tonne.

          There are probably 19 people who are not interested for every 1 who is. That's a lot of unwanted push notifications and homepage exposure. Though I didn't notice it until the spree of deals in the past couple of days.

  • dollarydoos on 27/05/2018 - 19:38
    +8

    I fully disagree with this decision, but OzBargain is a private company, they can do whatever the hell they want.

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