Should Firearm/Weapons Deals Be Disallowed?

Ozbargain tries to be a family friendly community/site. I know there are many deals which sometimes cross the boundary. (e.g. alcohol)
But i think the wider community consensus (not ozbargain but australia) is that firearms should be restricted. I don't think ozbargain should be promoting firearms

I know smoking advertising is restricted so there are no cigarette deals but if ozbargain started having such deals I would probably leave and troll elsewhere. The gun deals do me make consider this?

Just wondering what the community feeling about these gun deals are?

IMO. Gun deals will eventually cause negative public attention for ozbargain. So if I was the site owner I would disallow gun deals.

EDIT: grammar (see comments lol)

Update

Ozbargain has spoken. Results are clear

Poll Options

  • 441
    Gun deals should be banned
  • 498
    Gun deals should be allowed

Comments

  • +65 votes

    I like your own suggestion—

    "leave and troll else where"

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    could ?
    could and should

    • +1 vote

      lol good spot

      • +32 votes

        Like that was the only error…

        OzBargain tries to be a family friendly community/site. I know there are many deals which sometimes cross the boundary. (e.g. alcohol).
        But I think the wider community censusconsensus (not OzBargain but Australia) is that firearms should be restricted. I don't think OzBargain should be promoting firearms.

        I know smoking advertising is restricted so there are no cigerettecigarette deals but if OzBargain started having such deals I would probably leave and troll else whereelsewhere. The gun deals do make me consider this?.

        Just wondering what the community feeling about thisthese gun deals areis?.

        IMO.: Gun deals will eventually cause negative public attention for OzBargain. So if I was the site owner, I would also disallow it for this reason.

    • +55 votes

      Some people are only alive because guns are illegal and hard to get here.

      • +31 votes

        Firearms are neither illegal nor hard to get in Australia. We have a robust licencing system, we have background checks, but anyone of sound character can purchase a firearm for recreational hunting or sporting use.

      • +10 votes

        Some people are only alive because guns are illegal and hard to get here.

        Indeed, if the rifle range was still open 21 years ago Mum and Dad would've had something better to do!

        • +6 votes

          And some are alive because not having one has:
          - prevented them or their spouse from shooting themselves
          - prevented their children from shooting them (or others)
          - prevented someone else's children, or someone else, from shooting them (or others)

          Workplace accidents happen, even when you clean a gun. And not everyone who might (otherwise) be able to get a gun can be expected to stay balanced and trustworthy enough to have one as like anybody else they might get in a bad argument or somehow otherwise become emotionally upset enough to use it. Drugs, gambling, depression, madness, alcoholism, chemical abuse and all manner of awful things can happen to an individual- allowing such people to own this kind of weapon just means everyone else ends up having to carry.

          If you are expecting a war on your doorstep, you are on the road to having argument to have a gun. But we aren't, and the sad fact is that given them, many of will eventually use it in anger. So we don't need them.

          Personal freedoms are important and vital, and the freedom NOT to have to carry is great too. If you want freedom, there are better ways to attain some, such as constitutional reform, a Bill of Rights, and all kinds of improvements to how democracy can be improved so that it protects the people against the many and far greater threats to personal freedoms.

        • +1 vote

          @zerovelocity: "many of will eventually use it in anger"
          You're not saying that many gun owners will turn their guns on humans are you?

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          @zerovelocity:

          Great post. Not sure whybthe negs.

        • +1 vote

          @zaidoun:
          Well i would say gun owners are more likely to use them against people than non gun owners.

          So many in a relative context would probably be quite accurate.

        • -5 votes

          @TrendyTim:

          Well i would say gun owners are more likely to use them against people than non gun owners.

          Another stupid comment, all "gun owners" are responsible, law abiding citizens that have had to struggle through all the stupid and moronic red tape and gummint rules to actually acquire a license and then more red tape to finally get their hands on a weapon.

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          @zaidoun: For many reasons, a lot of people with guns are passionate about them. They want to see them as being legitimate tools appreciated by the average person so that everyone will end up having to have one too.

          I have enough trouble toting around wallet+keys+whatever else, without having to remember a gun and ammo for personal safety, let alone a-robot equipped gun platform and whatever comes next.

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          @nocure:
          If my tongue in cheek comment is stupid, what does that make your over generalisation, do you personally know every single "gun owner" to prove that … oh that's right gun nuts don't care about proof in their hands only guns so they can shoot those wascally wabbits,, so easy so set off too.

          And yes, all that stupid AND moronic red tape to keep the total nut jobs from legally owning guns its just soo stupid, getting a gun should be easier than getting a car (◔_◔).

      • +9 votes

        Some could argue that others may be dead because guns are illegal.

      • +2 votes

        guns aren't illegal here they are restricted to specific classes, of which some are actually not that hard to obtain.

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        Some victims of murder, raper, manslaughter would be alive if they had guns with them.

        • +5 votes

          Some might not have survived/escaped if the criminal had a gun. I would say you have a better chance of running if the criminal was chasing you with a knife than a gun.

          If my unpleasant neighbour was able to buy a gun from Kmart, I would wanna buy a gun too. Because I have a gun, you should probably get a gun too. Buying guns to protect ourselves from those who have guns… Sounds a little crazy to me. Lucky we don't have that kind of fear as Americans do.

  • +53 votes

    The catholics will want to ban the condom deals … the muslims will want to ban the non-halal/alcohol deals …

    I think the line has been drawn in a sensible place already

    • +13 votes

      Us athiests want the religion deals banned.

      • +24 votes

        I don't think its just US Atheists. I think australian atheists want the same.

        • -14 votes

          It's a fact that atheists actually have read and understood the bible, torah, quran, etc etc, unlike the average religious person.

          That is why they are atheist, because they see the inconsistencies and irrationalities. The people following a religion, don't actually follow the scriptures… they follow peer-pressure, public perception, and what is said by the preacher. Atheists in general are not only more versed in Evolution and History, but the very scriptures people follow so blindly-devoutly.

          I'm agnostic.

        • +1 vote

          @Kangal:

          Can't agree with you more. I can't decide which religion to follow so I thought f—k it. Not gonna follow any.

          I've seen family members getting into cult disguised as religion. Nasty.

        • +1 vote

          @pandabun:
          Surprised this doesn't have more momentum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon

        • +4 votes

          an atheist just believes in one less god than a monotheist

        • +3 votes

          @sp00ker:

          Surprised this doesn't have more momentum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon

          I've always been troubled by the fact that the ABS advises people on how to answer a subjective question under pain of penalty.

        • +3 votes

          @Kangal: > It's a fact that atheists actually have read and understood the bible, torah, quran, etc etc

          No it's not. Who has the time to read the sacred text of one religion, let alone all of them?!

        • +1 vote

          @pandabun: I follow the Rule of Probability. Miracles are not Miracles, but very very very rare events.

        • +2 votes

          @Kangal: That is so much generalization and assumption. Im a converted Christian and I would says Im very respectful, reasonable, consistence and rationalize person. There are also many intelligent people whom choose to follow their faith too.

        • -3 votes

          @frewer:
          Yes, I agree it is a generalisation.
          It doesn't apply to everyone.
          However, it applies to the majority.

          Which is why I'm agnostic.
          I don't label myself as an atheist and be tied down with all that baggage. And I think someone like Dawkins' crude approach doesn't work.

          That doesn't mean people shouldn't respect each other. Respect is a 2-way street though, and anyone can be lacking in it be a peasant or a professor, so if there's anything that we should preach in a Secular Nation it's tolerance.

        • -2 votes

          @Kangal: Assume makes an assUME. I couldn't agree with you more on tolerance subject. Actually, Dr Ravi has a very good talk about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyTa5r4GG4M

          However, in reality, the governments ( AU, UK, USA, EU ) promote pluralistic and multiculture society, which is falling apart in EU … it does not works …
          Islam has a low tolerance level for insulting their belief. Even Richard Dawkin's buddies turn on him. My workplace, if they aren't pick on me then they pick on each others, most of the time it feels like working with a bunch of 5yrs.

          |That doesn't mean people shouldn't respect |each other. Respect is a 2-way street though, |and anyone can be lacking in it be a peasant |or a professor, so if there's anything that we |should preach in a Secular Nation it's |tolerance.

          Again Im not disagree with anything in that paragraph. But it is impractical … I preach a good news and live a very tolerance life.

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          @abb:

          No it's not. Who has the time to read the sacred text of one religion, let alone all of them?!

          I agree. What a ludicrous statement presented as fact!

          Besides, there are way more interesting/better written fantasy series out there. Pick up Malazaan Book of Fallen (Steven Erikson) or Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time (series), if you want to read voluminous tomes. ;)

          Religion is something that may have had a valid purpose several centuries ago, however, it has no place in contemporary society. That said, I do believe that if folks choose to have personal beliefs that help them cope with the rigours of life, that is absolutely fair… but it should not form part of ones' identity and it definitely isn't something to be thrust into other peoples' faces.

          tl;dr

          IMHO:
          Religion is an anachronism. Personal theological beliefs are fair dinkum, but keep it private and don't let it define you as a person.

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          @gearhead:
          Well, maybe not all of them… however proportionally more atheists read scripture than actual devout people.
          Seems like an oxymoron.

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          @Kangal:

          Maybe I'm hanging around the wrong folk (or maybe the right ones :) ), but none that I know actually do. I do have an incredibly religious Hillsong girl at work, who is batshit crazy, she probably reads scripture to "schlick schlick".

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          @gearhead:
          I can't believe I had to Google what schlick meant. Oh my God.

          Well, I don't mean atheists read the latest Weekly christian blurb, but more often, they've actually read the scripture fully or more of it, and at face-value, which is why they believe against it. I mean, if you read it, you'll see how ridiculous some of the things in them are.

      • +2 votes

        Us athiests want the religion deals banned.

        I, for one, would just like for everyone to be able to freely give their feedback on the product.

      • +1 vote

        Don't pretend to speak for me, mate.

    • -4 votes

      Why would Muslims want to ban anything? I think that's an atheist thing

  • +11 votes

    Providing we have good gun laws, and rigorous psychological testing, then a bargain is a bargain. What if you bought a gun, and had it held at a shooting range?

    It's not like we get a free gun when opening a bank account..

    P.S: I think 99% of the population should not own guns.

    • -6 votes

      i think that if only such a small percentage should be able to use a gun then ozbargain is not the right site.

      • +12 votes

        community/site.

        So a minority doesn't have a place in a community? /troll

        • -3 votes

          just saying that many people shouldn't be exposed to guns or have access. So why expose everyone to gun deals?

        • +3 votes

          @Gimli: You're not saying many, you're saying any. You know you can filter deals, right?

        • -2 votes

          @rompastompa: i can filter deals. but everyone else who shouldn't have a gun won't necessarily filter them

        • +5 votes

          @Gimli: 99% of 24million is 240,000… that's a lot!

          In my opinion, the issue isn't whether the deals should be banned, it's the processing of gun laws. Let people buy guns if they fit a certain criteria, let them shoot them at controlled shooting ranges.

          Do you know how hard it is to get a gun license? I don't, but I would hope it filters out the 'oh look, there's a gun sale - 90% off! I'll broden it!'

        • +2 votes

          @rompastompa: Difficulty of the licence depends on the type of firearms the license is for. My friend got a license and it didn't seem to be too difficult from what he described but i think he got a very basic license. Now he has a gun at his place which he doesn't even use.

          I can't see how that gun is going to do anyone any good.

        • +6 votes

          @Gimli: I think you should be lobbying the criteria for getting a gun license, rather than whether or not there is some public awareness of sales.

          I don't think people will be swayed to buy a gun, just because it was 20% off.

          Have you asked why your friend bought the gun? Was it because there was a sale, or because they wanted a gun?

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          @rompastompa: Not based on ozbargain.
          People see a deal and buy whether they need it or not.

          When things get upvoted it promotes the product.

        • +1 vote

          @Gimli: >shouldn't be exposed to guns

          Um … why?

        • +2 votes

          @Diji1: why would you suggest to someone who is part of the 99% who shouldn't own guns to own a gun?

        • +1 vote

          @Gimli: >I can't see how that gun is going to do anyone any good.

          So what?

        • +2 votes

          @Diji1: and it can do harm …

        • -9 votes

          @Gimli:
          No, not harm: irreversible harm. Which is why we shouldn't have death sentences either.
          Also they're effective on a quick, efficient, easy, and mass scale.
          Guns are not toys, nor are they hunting tools.
          The primary purpose of a gun is to kill another person.

          I don't trust the public to drive properly on the road, so how the heck can I trust them to be responsible with a gun ??

          Sure, screening and licensing seem like a good compensation in theory, but its managed by the government, the same guys that you can't trust to implement NBN, you know they're going to stuff up. In practice, it just doesn't work out well. Not unless you have a an iron-clad society that has a personal empathetic culture like Japan.

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          @Gimli: The you had better not watch movies other than those PG's.

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