Should Firearm/Weapons Deals Be Disallowed?

gimli on 08/08/2017 - 20:58
Last edited 27/05/2018 - 19:51 by 1 other user

Ozbargain tries to be a family friendly community/site. I know there are many deals which sometimes cross the boundary. (e.g. alcohol)
But i think the wider community consensus (not ozbargain but australia) is that firearms should be restricted. I don't think ozbargain should be promoting firearms

I know smoking advertising is restricted so there are no cigarette deals but if ozbargain started having such deals I would probably leave and troll elsewhere. The gun deals do me make consider this?

Just wondering what the community feeling about these gun deals are?

IMO. Gun deals will eventually cause negative public attention for ozbargain. So if I was the site owner I would disallow gun deals.

EDIT: grammar (see comments lol)

Mod (27/5/18): Due to a multitude of comments, reports and attacks, as well as feedback in this poll and in other deals, firearm deals are no longer permitted to be posted. Comment

Poll Options

  • 881
    Gun deals should be banned
  • 711
    Gun deals should be allowed
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Comments

        • c0balt on 03/06/2018 - 13:48
          +1

          @tomkun01:

          By pointing out that the majority supports forced censorship on this website?

          In case you haven't figured it out. I'm not for that. I'm for any thing that can be legally sold, to be allowed to be posted to this website. There should be an opt in or out system as was already in place, and now overlord Neil took that away because of loud complaining anti-gun people.

          It's not up to popularism what products should or not be sold. That distinction is made by actual laws.

          OZB says in the first post why they banned firearms listings now. It's because the anti-gun squeeky wheels kept making work for them with reports. Rather than moderate as per their own guidelines, they banned it for everyone, placating the anti gun squeeky wheels.

        • Speckled Jim on 03/06/2018 - 13:59
          +1

          It's not up to popularism what products should or not be sold. That distinction is made by actual laws.

          Care to rephrase?

          Cigarettes/tobacco: Age restricted sale. No license required to buy or use. Relaxing and addictive. Can be harmful/deadly.
          Deals banned on OzB.

          Vaping/e-cigs: None of the above except relaxing and possibly addictive. Deals banned on OzB.

          Legality is not an absolute measure of suitability.

        • c0balt on 03/06/2018 - 14:04
          -3

          @Speckled Jim:

          OK so let's run with your bull just for the sake of arguing it.

          Guns and cars both require licenses to own and operate. Can't get a license without being a certain age, champ. Both can be used for lawful, or unlawful purposes. Hundreds of Europeans have been killed in vehicle attacks by terrorists over the last few years, many more than the school massacres in USA or gun crime in Australia.

          Alcohol and caffeine deals are permitted, seems those are as addictive or bad for you in the same way that e-cigs are. Yet banned.

          Yet cars are not banned, and they fit the criteria for all the reasons to be banned that you laid out, and there's a post on the first page of this thread saying why they were banned (because of people making it difficult for them with the moderation of comments).

          Legality should be the measure of suitability for posting as it is the actual real life line drawn for retail and internet purchasing, not some arbitrary line that moves based on populism and how hard moderation is.

        • Moderatorneil on 03/06/2018 - 14:42

          @c0balt:

          Nope, "loud complaining people" like your comments also contributed. Making false statements about myself only re-enforces that I made the right decision.

          P.S. I've enjoyed my Sunday so far, only the usual SPAMmers and minor stuff to deal with.

        • Speckled Jim on 03/06/2018 - 14:43
          -1

          Who mentioned cars? Oh, you did because they require a license to legally operate, but are still allowable deals? Then you desperately regurgitate vehicular homicides of the last few years? There was one in Melbourne not long ago.
          Was he a terrorist too? Or just some Greek nutbag?

          Physics
          It's easier to dodge a runaway vehicle going at 80km/h than a projectile at 300m/sec or whatever velocity. You can hear and see the car coming, can't say the same for bullets.

          Cars? Really?
          A new car deal represents a hefty investment. Who on OzB would drop 15K minimum on a car with the intention to kill people with it, most likely damaging or destroying it?

          The gun is a durable commodity, almost always cheaper than a car. It's not destroyed or unduly damaged in use, even when used against living things. The relatively cheap and expendable ammo is the biggest loss and ongoing cost.

          Cars: primarily designed to transport people and things safely and efficiently, since ~1900
          Guns: primarily designed to penetrate soft targets to maim or kill, since ~1400s

          You can weaponise ANYTHING. Drones? Yep. Cars? Yep. TVs? Yep. Eneloops? Yep.
          A gun, on the other hand iiiiiiisss…….A WEAPON!

          Anything else? Please, continue to impart your wisdom.

        • Moderatorneil on 03/06/2018 - 14:44

          @Speckled Jim:

          Cigarettes/tobacco:

          Just a point of correction. The banning of cigarettes/tobacco deals falls under the Tobacco Advertising Prohibition Act 1992. This supersedes any OzBargain guidelines we have.

        • Abbi on 03/06/2018 - 18:07

          Using majority rules as a justification that you are right in an issue is a strawman argument and it means your entire ethos revolves around you changing your opinion to what ever is popular in culture at the time.

          (a) The owners have dictated what will be on this site and won't be. They have said what won't be, in this instance, and that is gun posts. Time to move on.

          (b) The vote reinforces what the majority of people want here.

          Like I said, move on. It's now done.

  • Speckled Jim on 30/05/2018 - 19:16
    +1

    Wonder if the fella walking heavy down main street Mackay is a responsible registered owner?
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/mackay-cbd-in-…
    He's probably just lost?

    • theredkrawler on 01/06/2018 - 08:40

      inb4 no true scotsman fallacies

  • Suspect420 on 04/06/2018 - 10:24

    @Neil,

    How is it right to ban deals because of some 'members' poor comments?

    Why does it matter what side they are on?

    Seems counterproductive to actually ban deals because people argue about them.

    OzB becoming nannified?

    What's the world coming to….

    • Moderatorneil on 04/06/2018 - 10:42

      How is it right to ban deals because of some 'members' poor comments?

      The majority of the comments were angry, off-topic comments, some personal attacks, many invalid negative votes and generally not helpful to anyone. Given we aim to run a respectful community, these deals are far from it.

      Why does it matter what side they are on?

      Exactly, it doesn't.

      Seems counterproductive to actually ban deals because people argue about them.

      If it was just debating then that would be fine. This wasn't.

      OzB becoming nannified?

      Yes, we are the very nannified aka, yes we have extensive site rules. See our long deal posting guidelines.

      What's the world coming to….

      The June Solstice is coming up in around 2 weeks, marking the shortest day of the year in the Southern Hemisphere.

      • Suspect420 on 04/06/2018 - 12:42

        Love the reply!

        You will always be my fav mod!

        I still believe we should allow these posts. Even create an 18+ section for "potentially offensive" deals.

  • Schmendrick on 09/06/2018 - 16:05
    -1

    In Australia we now have a generation of snowflakes who are afraid of their own shadow.

    As well as a lot of Low Info people.

    • Speckled Jim on 10/06/2018 - 09:38

      On OzBargain we now have a generation of trollbots who created their accounts after 2016.
      As well as a lot of Low IQ people.

      You chose to jump on this bandwagon. Don't like it? Leave and join a 'prepper forum.

      • Moderatorneil on 10/06/2018 - 14:21

        2 great examples of the type of inflammatory, off-topic comments that lead to this decision. Thanks guys.

        • Speckled Jim on 10/06/2018 - 18:36
          -2

          Great! So if the deals are banned, related forum topics should not be started? Is that the policy, and if so can it be enforced?

          Seems pointless to discuss products only a small percentage of the Oz population can legally buy. Or is it?

          Flipside will invoke freedom of speech, which we don't explicitly have in Australia.

  • elitistphoenix on 03/08/2020 - 11:54
    Merged from "Massagers" posts nearly everyday

    With sex toys now slipping through as "massagers" can we now allow firearms posts as "once off, long range, permanent, acupuncture sets" ?
    If not why the double standards? Or can we just get a NSFW category?

    • kahn on 03/08/2020 - 11:57
      +1

      It's the lockdowns, mate. Hysteria is kicking in and people need relief.

      • elitistphoenix on 03/08/2020 - 12:10

        I mean when Victoria falls and the Corona Zombies start roaming people will need to "relieve" them too. /s

    • screensaver on 03/08/2020 - 11:59

      Well a vibrator can double as a massager on any part of the body.

      • elitistphoenix on 03/08/2020 - 12:11

        I mean the butt of a firing gun could act as a massage too technically. I just wouldn't be putting it near my genitals.

    • mapax on 03/08/2020 - 12:16

      It all boils down to feelings and who can screech the loudest.

      If firearms were put in a category that had to be subscribed to, a lot of the ban everything types would subscribe just so they can complain.

      • elitistphoenix on 03/08/2020 - 12:22
        -1

        That's exactly it. How about they ban the screeching neon haired hippies instead of people just doing the right thing legally.
        I already suggested the opt-in category but they didn't want the drama from the nut jobs.

    • elitistphoenix on 03/08/2020 - 15:10
      -3

      So… just moved and no response from admins/mods?
      https://youtu.be/6f91T6fW0GI?t=21
      Guess it's ok then!

      • [Deactivated] on 03/08/2020 - 20:31
        -1

        lol.

        if you can't see the difference between gun deals and vibrator then you should move on.

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