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Freitag on 21/11/2017 - 16:20 biblesociety.org.au (1358 clicks)

Free animated Christmas book from the bible society.

In Bible Society’s 200th year, we want to help you share the really good news with your friends and family this Christmas. We’re giving away The Really Good News of Christmas – a quality eye-catching little book on the true message of Jesus’ birth. This colourful 28-page book features simple text and bright illustrations that will appeal to all ages. These booklets are normally $2 RRP but we would love to give you up to three copies for free - with free postage to Australian addresses (redeemable once per household).

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      • afoveht on 21/11/2017 - 19:56
        +3

        Everyone likes bargains.

      • [Deactivated] on 21/11/2017 - 19:57
        +5

        On a serious note, people that don’t like bargains drive me up the wall. It’s not hard to check prices before you buy something.

  • [Deactivated] on 21/11/2017 - 16:56
    +9

    Thank you

  • bargaino on 21/11/2017 - 17:32

    Nativitiy sets and angels welcome here.
    Pure propaganda, not so much.

    • DryScissors on 21/11/2017 - 18:03
      +1

      For a second there, I read that as naiveity.

  • clownfish on 21/11/2017 - 17:34
    -7

    A free religious "booklet" is not a deal

    • rakerr on 21/11/2017 - 17:58
      +3

      It is when you send it to your mates place for a laugh.

      • eskylidder on 21/11/2017 - 18:25
        +8

        Imagine his face when he gets something in the mail he didn't want!

        Would be like getting junk mail every other day of the week. Ultimate prankster right here

        • rakerr on 21/11/2017 - 18:30

          I did….it was like i was there, this deal is paying off already!!

        • eskylidder on 21/11/2017 - 18:30
          +4

          @rakerr:

          sorry to say this friend but you may need to find a hobby or get out more

        • FlatulentFrank on 21/11/2017 - 20:02

          @eskylidder:

          Sweet burn

    • registradus on 21/11/2017 - 18:28
      +4

      I agree

  • Derrick Crane on 21/11/2017 - 17:38
    +7

    What's Christmas got to do with Jesus?

    • FeZZa21 on 21/11/2017 - 17:42
      +8

      didn't he dress as santa one time or something?

    • ninetyNineCents on 21/11/2017 - 17:43
      +14

      The original fake news.

    • Ameowzon on 21/11/2017 - 17:55
      +8

      Christmas is a day to celebrate Jesus' birthday. Santa is fake news.

      • Cluster on 21/11/2017 - 18:15

        All I want for Christmas is a video clip of Trump saying "Santa is fake news. Sad!"

      • Munki on 21/11/2017 - 18:16
        +8

        Yeah I think you're a little confused about the origins of Christmas…

        • Eeples on 21/11/2017 - 19:00
          +2

          Not me.

          The first Christmas with Jesus and the cavemen opening presents under that tree.

        • haru on 21/11/2017 - 19:16
          +8

          You're confusing the purpose of Christmas for its origins. Here's a quick history lesson.

          25 December was originally set aside in Roman times to celebrate the 'Unconquered Sun' at the time of the Winter Solstice. When Christianity became dominant in the West in the fourth and fifth centuries, people were becoming uncomfortable with the idea of worshipping the Sun rather than Jesus. But they didn't want to ruin a huge existing party. So in the end they adopted that date as his birthday. Everyone knew that Jesus was not born on 25 December, nobody was suggesting that. The intention was to sanctify the secular and not run away from it.

      • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 09:42

        Where does the Bible give us the date of Jesus birth ?

        • Ameowzon on 22/11/2017 - 12:44

          No one knows for sure, so that's why it is just a day to celebrate His birthday, not that it IS His birthday.

        • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 13:02

          @TeesAndSuchAustralia:

          Thats the point if you dont know its lying to pick a date and say it is his birthday.

        • Ameowzon on 22/11/2017 - 14:35

          @ninetyNineCents:

          I'm sorry but that's not lying.

        • [Deactivated] on 22/11/2017 - 14:49

          @TeesAndSuchAustralia:
          The Rebel Wilson defamation case confirmed that. I think her Disney genealogy evidence was a childhood dream and a ticket stub.

        • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 16:56

          @TeesAndSuchAustralia:

          Tee: I'm sorry but that's not lying.

          99c: Yes it is because the correct answer is you dont know.

          I dont know your birthday, if anyone asks me what is Tees' birthday the correct answer is "i dont know" , making a date up is not the correct or honest answer.

        • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 16:57

          @Frugal Rock:

          The Rebel Wilson defamation case confirmed that. I think her Disney genealogy evidence was a childhood dream and a ticket stub.

          Write complete sentences what exactly is that, you havent defined or it estab lished a context.

        • [Deactivated] on 22/11/2017 - 17:07

          @ninetyNineCents:
          You are quite the silver-tongued wordsmith yourself. I've read better pidgin than that.

        • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 17:08

          @Frugal Rock:

          So what if i am, that still doesnt change the fact your sentence is broken.

        • [Deactivated] on 22/11/2017 - 17:13

          @ninetyNineCents:
          It was a direct and cogent reply to the changing birthdates comment prior. Given your inability to understand apostrophes and basic general grammar, being misunderstood by you might well be a good thing.

        • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 17:55

          @Frugal Rock:

          Yet again you fail to comprehend the need to establish context or quote. Before one uses a pronoun one needs to introduce a subject. While you did mention our friend Tees, quite a few elements of their comment could be "that".

        • [Deactivated] on 22/11/2017 - 17:59

          @ninetyNineCents:
          I'm picturing Ralph Wiggum. Where did your broken sentence theory, sorry 'fact', go?

        • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 18:47

          @Frugal Rock:

          Wow you really are classy, pathetic personal insults just like all the kool kids who pick used cigarettes from the urinals.

        • [Deactivated] on 22/11/2017 - 18:48

          @ninetyNineCents:
          Why do you hang around urinals?

        • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 18:50

          @Frugal Rock:

          well its obvious you did, just look at your sharp wit, and perfection execution just like those brain less turds.

        • [Deactivated] on 22/11/2017 - 18:56

          @ninetyNineCents:
          How would those "brain less" kids spell 'brainless'? So I can spot one.

        • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 21:09

          @Frugal Rock:

          Dont worry about it, you wouldnt want to scare them away so you can learn more kool insults next time someone corrects you.

        • [Deactivated] on 22/11/2017 - 21:17

          @nijnetyNineCents:
          Your restraining order from public restrooms attests to that. You've really thought about it thoroughly.

        • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 22:59

          @Frugal Rock:

          Yet again what exactly is "that" ?

        • [Deactivated] on 22/11/2017 - 23:07

          @ninetyNineCents:
          Your stated fear of scaring kids away in restrooms, whilst skylarking. Like a normal person.

        • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 23:14

          @Frugal Rock:

          Well if i did then why dont you provide a quote, shouldnt be too hard you know how to read…

        • [Deactivated] on 22/11/2017 - 23:27

          @ninetyNineCents:
          "like all the kool kids who pick used cigarettes from the urinals."
          "you wouldnt want to scare them away"

          Present tense, tellingly.

        • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 23:28

          @Frugal Rock:

          problem is your reply made a statement about myself, and that quote has nothing about me in the slightest.

        • [Deactivated] on 22/11/2017 - 23:33

          @ninetyNineCents:
          You are the one thinking about it.

        • ninetyNineCents on 23/11/2017 - 10:38

          @Frugal Rock:

          Here we go again with your imaginary claims…better see a doctor about that..

        • pennypincher98 on 30/11/2017 - 08:12

          Well we know the Queen's birthday and still decide to move it to a date more convenient for us. And the Queen is an actual person.

        • ninetyNineCents on 30/11/2017 - 14:29
          +1

          @pennypincher98:

          Well we know the Queen's birthday and still decide to move it to a date more convenient for us. And the Queen is an actual person.

          Funnily enough the Queen is another bullshitter. Look at her coat of arms, it claims in "french" that she rules because of her god given right. Dont believe me, look it up on wiki…or a royal website.

        • pennypincher98 on 30/11/2017 - 15:14

          @ninetyNineCents: Hahaha yeah true, didn't realise this was so fitting :D

  • FatBoyNotSoSlim on 21/11/2017 - 17:40
    +7

    Christmas gifts for the family sorted!

    • 8200 on 21/11/2017 - 18:00

      Too good for them…!

  • bloobat on 21/11/2017 - 17:44
    +16

    Religion is so antiquated in this day and age. I honestly can't believe anyone born after the 90's still believes in anything tbh.

    How about offering a free ebook instead? Saves paper ink and the environment.

    • Dbuiz on 21/11/2017 - 18:01
      +5

      I would argue that spirituality (whether it be a religion or other) is needed even more now for people living in developed economies where other more basic needs are met. Self-transcendence on Maslow's hierarchy of needs

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs

      • Cluster on 21/11/2017 - 18:13
        +1

        Depends where one lives in these developed economies. Plenty haven't reached level 2 yet (safety, especially financial). Some are still trying to achieve level 1 (too poor for housing and regular meals).

      • eggboi on 21/11/2017 - 19:16
        +1

        Lol yeah - because why actually exert yourself creating meaning in your life when you can just open wide and be spoon-fed a free dose of brainwashing?!

      • [Deactivated] on 21/11/2017 - 20:07
        +3

        Maslow's model describes the psychological needs and not what is best for a person. It is a model of what a person looks for when he has fulfilled a particular requirement. It is a predictive model and not dietary in nature.

        It is a great model that I find flawed when discussing beyond self actualization.

        Self actualization is about understanding our potential to impact on everyone else and our role as a greater whole. There are many ways to describe it but it has nothing to do with religion. Spirituality maybe, but not religion.

        Religion demands surrender to a figure and the expulsion for the need to proof. It cannot co exist with true self actualization. Self actualization requires logic and reason, religion requires the removal of it.

      • SirDale on 22/11/2017 - 10:16

        "Maslow studied what he called exemplary people such as Albert Einstein, Jane Addams, Eleanor Roosevelt, and Frederick Douglass rather than mentally ill or neurotic people, writing that "the study of crippled, stunted, immature, and unhealthy specimens can yield only a cripple psychology and a cripple philosophy."[4]:236 Maslow studied the healthiest 1% of the college student population."

        If you are "crippled" I guess you can't climb the pyramid. Must be easy to create an uber mensch philosophy when you only study those you consider to be the uber mensch.

        But the philosophy is free so it's a BARGAIN! (bringing the discussion back on track).

    • threeball on 21/11/2017 - 18:22

      Religion per sae may be perceived as antiquated, paradoxically, people are not neccessarily becoming less spiritual.

      • [Deactivated] on 22/11/2017 - 11:50

        Lexiphanicism only works when you nail the basics, like 'se'. You're in logastellus pergatory, mister.

    • Lord_Sif on 21/11/2017 - 18:24
      +4

      If religion is so blase, why do you still feel the need to post a negative comment on a religious deal? Surely you still care enough about it. Perhaps you need to analyse your own actions and whether they correspond to what you are presuming in your words.
      Either way, stats disagree, if anything religion is getting more important. With no core value for it, the religious are very much out-breeding the non-religious. If you really want to counter religion, then perhaps knowing more about those values is important.

      • bloobat on 21/11/2017 - 18:43

        I just find it fascinating that in the age of science people still believe that there is a 'higher power'. I just don't see any way that the is room for them to coexist as they are fundamentally at odds with each other.

        The only way I sympathise with the religious is when it's as a way to meet people and feel part of a 'community'. For the lonely I can see the appeal I guess.

        • [Deactivated] on 21/11/2017 - 18:50
          +5

          ^ Found the INTJ atheist redditor!

      • Rayve on 21/11/2017 - 20:14
        +7

        I feel the need to post negative comments on religious deals because religions drive people to try to impose those views on others. We recently wasted $100,000,000 on a survey to decide if we should give a small portion of our community the same rights the rest of us enjoy. Guess which side was the one which says they are an abomination and should be killed - you got it, the religious side. Or how about women not being equal to men and should be subservient - we still pay women less than men for the same jobs - yes, you got it again, the religious side gets that from their big book of made up fairytales too and those effects still trickle down in our society.

        I will be completely unconcerned about your beliefs when they completely stop trying to influence public policy and stop making other people's lives difficult or even dangerous. For centuries your religion has enabled hate and cruelty on a scale that is scarcely imaginable, all in the name of 'Christian Love'. At least it is dying away now, thank Good.

        • taki on 21/11/2017 - 22:07

          The real cost (advertising, traumas, 'debates'…) would be >$200mn

        • HereYeeHereYee on 21/11/2017 - 23:36
          +2

          Well stated Rayve and very true.

        • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 11:57
          +1

          Christian love is one of histories biggest lies, along with Islam is a religion of peace.

      • [Deactivated] on 22/11/2017 - 08:14

        I think you mean 'passe' rather than 'blase', oui, oui, oui.

    • Hunnypooh on 21/11/2017 - 23:07

      I still believe in getting a bargain from ozbargain and I am born after the 90's =)

    • HeartFeltAxe on 22/11/2017 - 17:05

      There are many more good arguments for God's existence if you do a bit of research.
      Kalam Cosmological argument is one of the best arguments for God's existence, it goes like this:
      Whatever begins to exist has a cause;
      The universe began to exist;
      The universe has a cause.
      That cause must be timeless, spaceless, immaterial, powerful, moral, and very intelligent. Sound like God eh?
      Still confused?
      Here is the cosmological argument video from Reasonable Faith:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CulBuMCLg0

      If you are still interested in other arguments for God's existence, look at these, they are great:
      The Moral argument:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxiAikEk2vU
      The Fine-tuning argument:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3jvfvho3CE

      I strongly encourage you guys to look a bit closer to see whether believing in God is actually reasonable. I have debated many people on this topic and found that it is quite reasonable!

  • Cluster on 21/11/2017 - 17:57
    +9

    Question: Is this really "news" when it concerns an event over 2000 years ago?

    • Maverick-au on 21/11/2017 - 18:22
      +3

      Question: Is this really "news" when it concerns an event over 2000 years ago?

      I'm sorry, I missed the part where this was a news site and not a bargain site.

      • onetwothreefour on 21/11/2017 - 18:40
        +5

        I think he means where it says news in the title.

    • frewer on 22/11/2017 - 12:00

      "News is what old news happens to new people" I dont remember who said it

  • [Deactivated] on 21/11/2017 - 17:58
    -1

    Religion is not safe for minds especially if people are vulnerable or at an impressionable age. It is taken too seriously than it is supposed to be, and by too many people.

    • Hunnypooh on 21/11/2017 - 18:09
      +4

      Religion is basically a belief system and any belief system has got its flaws surely. It is just way easier to attack and blame religion I reckon. But of course each to his own beliefs, be it a religion or an opinion or a personal belief system

      • [Deactivated] on 21/11/2017 - 19:52

        Yes, it is a belief system but it also has institutional support including state support. Not many belief systems enjoy that privilege. Due to this, the influence is also pretty strong.

        • Hunnypooh on 21/11/2017 - 23:11

          well to be fair to religion, it has been around since before i was born so it's probably more established than some belief systems? and I reckon these days non-religious influence is getting a stronger foothold in comparison to religious influence such as the ssm postal survey (which is ridiculously expensive)

    • Maverick-au on 21/11/2017 - 18:14
      +7

      Religion is not safe for minds especially if people are vulnerable or at an impressionable age. It is taken too seriously than it is supposed to be, and by too many people.

      When was the last time a Christian blew himself up, drove through a mall or flew a plane into a building?

      Like it or not it's Christian values that have got us to where we are today and that also guided many of our laws. Unfortunately too many people forget that and the recent* turmoil across the world is because of people turning their back and the erosion of those values.

      *Except of course for that "religion" that has never known what peace is and has been involved in attacks since it's creation.

      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/christianity-the-cor…

      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/lets-not-deny-our-ch…

      • chewbot on 21/11/2017 - 18:31
        +5

        I think "Christians" generally prefer mass shootings, blowing other people up, and poisoning people.
        "each to their own" I guess.

      • incipient on 21/11/2017 - 18:42
        +2

        Everyone has their phases lol…ours was a few hundred years back when we considered science heresy and had our ever popular crusades.

        Thankfully we've come a way since then…generally speaking.

      • bloobat on 21/11/2017 - 18:47
        +1

        Yeh bro I'm not for religion at all but you can't single out chirstianity and say it's OK… Ever heard of the crusades? Islam may be the most violent religion today but it wasn't always!

        • Maverick-au on 21/11/2017 - 18:51
          +2

          Islam may be the most violent religion today but it wasn't always!

          What! Hahahahahaha. The middle east used to be mostly Christian. You might want to go back and look at the history of Islam starting with the founder.

          Yeh bro I'm not for religion at all but you can't single out chirstianity and say it's OK… Ever heard of the crusades?

          The crusades were to drive the Muslims out as they kept invading Europe!

        • bloobat on 21/11/2017 - 18:54
          -1

          @Maverick-au: Yeh fair I'm not defending Islam I despise it but yeh just thought you can't say chirstianity is completely free of bad rep.

        • Maverick-au on 21/11/2017 - 18:58

          @bloobat:

          Yeh fair I'm not defending Islam I despise it but yeh just thought you can't say chirstianity is completely free of bad rep.

          There are plenty of things that happened in the past that we wouldn't do now but it's hard to judge without being there as those were the thoughts at the time and it was the way that we dealt with events at the time. I won't excuse everything that Christianity has done in the past but I won't condemn it as it got us to where we are today and we should be thankful for that.

          We all learnt and moved on with the exception of course of Islam which keeps doing what it does best no matter how many people make apologies for it.

        • frewer on 22/11/2017 - 12:24

          Interesting how you cant distinguish between a belief and its follower's action, or action of a few does not defined everyone . Should people see Australian as murderer , imperialist, criminal or thief ? A tree must bears fruit according to its own kind.

      • Eeples on 21/11/2017 - 19:03

        Some would suggest that Christian’s don’t need to blow themselves up or fly planes into buildings…..all they need to do is fly drones and launch missiles.

      • [Deactivated] on 21/11/2017 - 19:47
        +5

        Christians brought the dark ages and halted progress for centuries. Bishops and priests slaughtered innocents under the protection of the crusaders and relinquished their guilt under the banner of religion. This is also true of Islam.

        Thanking any religion for where we are today is eerily similar to North Koreans thanking the Kim Jongs for their present luxuries.

        The turmoil from the lack values you speak off are not exclusive to religion. One can be virtuous without subjecting themselves to a belief system that demands the surrender of reason.

      • [Deactivated] on 21/11/2017 - 20:22
        +3

        Like it or not it's Christian values that have got us to where we are today

        Christianity has been persistently pushing views against evolution, persecuted great minds like Galileo, Copernicus, promoted anti-abortion, pro-slavery, anti-homosexuality views. I believe that the net effect of your favourite belief system was and still is negative just like others religions. How can one forget how KKK was a terrorist Christian organisation?

      • Symbiotic on 22/11/2017 - 01:07
        +2

        When was the last time a Christian blew himself up, drove through a mall or flew a plane into a building?

        Quite specific terrorism criteria. If you add firing bullets indiscriminately at a crowd, the answer to your question is October 2017.

      • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 09:46

        When was the last time a Christian blew himself up, drove through a mall or flew a plane into a building?

        Similar atrocities happened in the old days when Christianity brain washed people often under the thread of pain and torture.

        You might want to go read about King Leopold of Belgium and his Christianisation of the Belgian Congo, where millions of locals had their hands cut off because… well read his story.

        Like it or not it's Christian values that have got us to where we are today and that also guided many of our laws

        Can you please show me in the bible where it says gays and women are equal, or perhaps where we should have free medical care for all, or schooling rather than work for kids.

        The truth is for 1800 years Christian values as taught by laws and exampels in the bible made just about everyone a slave while "kings and chruch" had all the gold.

        THe only reason we as a western society for better or worse improved is because many peoples started thinking for ourselves instead of the church.

        But of course each to his own beliefs, be it a religion or an opinion or a personal belief system

        I wonder if you would say the same if you lived under a theocratic state. THe vast majority of such systems have been terrible… you can even read some examples in the bible, where it boats how big Davids palace was, and funnily enough not once ANYWHere in the bible does it boast of anyone helping the poor.

    • RefusdClassification on 22/11/2017 - 03:09
      +1

      But it's okay to indoctrinate kids with social progressive ideology? Force them to cross-dress, to act out homoerotic relationships, and so on?

      Children are all shaped by their society's values. It is impossible not to be. If we ban religious education, they will be shaped solely by political ideologies. Some people are able to divest themselves of the majority of this conditioning later in life, but for most people, this indoctrination shapes the rest of their life.

      • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 09:51

        If we ban religious education, they will be shaped solely by political ideologies

        Sorry religious education IS political education. When you tell people who you can marry, who to hate or dislike, who you should kill and how you shoudl treat women and slaves, thats politics.

        What most poeiple dont understand is religion is politics to the next level, where the leaders have thoroughly deceived the masses into thinking its gods will. THe rest is exactly politics.

        Most of the worlds religions were founded by kings and other elites. Just looka t Judaism, their wish "is for ONE family" to get their kingdom back. Buddhism was founded by a prince, muslims have been killing each arguing about who is the rightful Caliph (Sunni v shia ), Christians exhibited the same (Catholics v Proestants) etc.

        ITs always about the leader…

        • frewer on 22/11/2017 - 13:49
          +2

          I think Christianity is more like bitcoin, in a sense of freedom and decentralization( not the rest ie blockchain, mining network, verification).

          -Freedom: Jesus offers freedom like no other, before his time human was treated like dust and has no intrinsic value.
          -Decentralization: Jesus offers direct access to our Creator/Maker/Heavenly Father, no middle man.

          Christianity was never about the leader ( whoever that might be), Christianity always about GOD offer a free gift ( of salvation) to mankind.

        • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 17:00

          @frewer:

          F: -Freedom: Jesus offers freedom like no other, before his time human was treated like dust and has no intrinsic value.

          99c: Jesus does not offer freedom. You obviously have not read hyour history books and look at the way everybody lived as slaves, serfs etc under the various christian theological establishments.

          F: -Decentralization: Jesus offers direct access to our Creator/Maker/Heavenly Father, no middle man.

          99c: Except he doesnt because you can have a conversation if nobody listens or replies.

          F: Christianity was never about the leader ( whoever that might be), Christianity always about GOD offer a free gift ( of salvation) to mankind.

          99c: Thats not true, the NT is filled with people claiming to be the leaders of christians. After Jesus died the books of Acts and most of Pauls epistles are filled with telling the readers who is the boss.

          There are dozens of parts where the 12 apostles (James etc) argue with Paul about who is in charge and who they can let in.

          You dont know your bible, im more than happy to provide passages from the bible if you want to continue.

        • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 17:03

          @frewer:

          F: Christianity was never about the leader ( whoever that might be), Christianity always about GOD offer a free gift ( of salvation) to mankind.

          99: Religion has never been about that, you are just one of the fools who doesnt udnerstand that.

          Go read the OT, tell me who the authors are and tell me the most repeated command from them. The majority of the authors are high priests, and guess what they want… they want the people to come to the temple. Do you know why they want that, because conveniently god wrote hundreds of laws (yes there are 613 laws, called the mitzvot - go ask your local rabbi if you want), where god sorry the high priest tells the people to give them money for this and that, give them food, gold, and all sorts of things.

          Now tell me how this scam is any different from christian preachers on tv ?

          The only thing the priests of the bible want is more $$$ and to command the people. The NT is no different…

          yes i can show you listso f these laws if you want.

        • frewer on 22/11/2017 - 23:16

          @ninetyNineCents: Seems like I didnt make my self clear, Jesus offers a gift of salvation, also bring human value to high level. But all of that would be useless if we don't have a free wills to say no or yes. No free wills, no true love. Yes I read/watch those things. But then again one shall know the tree by its fruit. Those act contrary to Jesus's teaching is 'hijacker' ( or wolf under sheep clothing )

          For the personal part: Here C.S Lewis put it better than I can. Sunlight does not discriminates anything, it shine on all mirror, but some mirror are in a wrong condition ( dusty ) than others. Hence, some reflect the sunlight better than others. Listen to the first 3mins of Beyond Personality - C. S. Lewis. I cant speak for your personal experience, likewise you cant speak for mine.

          Im not sure what are you talking about. But it is a indisputable fact, among scholars, that the core message is Jesus came, live and die for our sins. Resurrection is a testimony to His words. Yes please give me the verses so we can understand the context of it. Im always willing to learn more of my convert Faith and also more of science.

        • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 23:26

          @frewer:

          F: Seems like I didnt make my self clear, Jesus offers a gift of salvation, also bring human value to high level.

          99: Sorry jesus said many things but he didnt say the last half of yoursentence. Take for example his multiple parables that slaves should work hard. If you believe people are equal, then why didnt jesus say slavery is evil ?

          You are placing jesus on a pedestal that he hasnt earnt, and yes i can prove it from the bible…from his own words. Its about as undeserved as muslims never ending claims that mohammad was best at everything…

          F: But it is a indisputable fact, among scholars, that the core message is Jesus came, live and die for our sins.

          99: I know thats christian theology in fact i mentioned this many times to our friend HP. IM not sure why you are telling me this.

          F: Resurrection is a testimony to His words.

          99: Resurrection never happened.

          F: Yes please give me the verses so we can understand the context of it. Im always willing to learn more of my convert Faith and also more of science. Yes please give me the verses so we can understand the context of it. Im always willing to learn more of my convert Faith and also more of science.

          99c: You have really confused me, i have always said Jesus came and died for our sins because thats what god the father wished. Most of this conversation is with another friend in this same post, its easy to find.

          Feel free to ask the question again.

        • ninetyNineCents on 22/11/2017 - 23:27

          @frewer:

          btw: you are right in your comparison, religion is about money just like bitcoin.

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