Interesting service, if not for the ancestry data, you can upload your DNA to promethease to get health implications.
Charged from overseas acc. so use a card without o/s transaction fees
Ancestry DNA Test $104 Not Incl. Shipping @ Ancestry
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Don't forget to check the really, really fine print with these DNA services. Primarily, the retention & ownership of data and subsequently the vendor's ability to sell it to third parties such as insurance companies.
There has been much blow back in the media. Once the shoe drops and you discover what actual rights you retain over your privacy and data, you may need to think twice before proceding. You can't cancel and undo these contracts.
Also, Ancestry.com is yet another company like Apple etc who 'transfer price' their transactions so no tax is paid anywhere… Pure profit and tax minimalisation, Also I believe there have been issues regarding credit card disputes with this company. Ancentry.com would be a worthwhile candidate for doing some due diligence checking before clicking 'Accept'.
Imho, I don't believe there are sufficient consumer rights under Australian Consumer Law that offer any real protection since ancestry.com is a foreign corporation and their transactions appear to be processed offshore and out of reach of our laws.
Tread carefully.
Consumer law is applicable internationally as long as the consumer is Australian.
The difficulty is simply enforcing, but it has been done (ie ACCC v Valve Corporation (No 3) [2016] FCA 196)
All this tax evasion stuff can be blamed on the crap policies in place that deliberately allow the continued avoidance of taxes. The loop holes basically incentivise any company which likes money (most) to dodge taxes. Some are worse than others, like News Corp who paid $0 in taxes. AFAIK, Apple paid something like $75 million – which is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. However, even Wesfarmers (Coles, Bunnings, etc.) are doing the same.
Particularly in relation to insurances, a standard question on personal risk insurance applications is whether you have had any genetic tests. If you have, the insurer may preclude you from getting cover or exclude you from certain conditions. So if you are ever considering any type of genetic test, it is better to make sure any insurances are in place before you do this.
Yep this is the big one. If a health insurer gets wind of you having had this done, and not informed them… claim denied.
Knock on the door in the middle of the night.
Who's there?
The Police, open up.
Uh, what's this about?
We found your DNA at the crime scene and you need(have) to come with us.Tossing up between this or 23andme? They also have an Xmas sale too ($79USD for Ancestry kit or $149USD for Health + Ancestry). Wonder if I can do just the Ancestry from there and then upload the results to promethease to get a better Health report without literally paying double for limited info that FDA allows them to supply anyway? hmm..
ancestry does more SNPs for promethease to analyse
Really? Any sites that compares this? Ta..
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/3dd3lp/snp_coverag…
I'm not sure I get what 23andme's V3 and V4 means?
They changed the chip they use for sequencing, use the latest version for comparing
If you are mostly interested in Promethease, perhaps ftDNA might a good choice $59USD for family finder test.
Agree. At US$59 Family Tree DNA is the best of the bunch https://www.familytreedna.com/products/family-finder?utm_sou…
The packet they send is two cheek swabs. I have checked with Aust Post and return post to Houston of this small flat packet with an airmail sticker is only A$2. Overall the cheapest deal. I reckon FT-dna is the most technically advanced DNA site. They now tag 'maternal' on a proportion of my matches. FTdna provide for upgrade to more in depth tests without re-sending a sample.
The FT-dna result can be downloaded and uploaded to several other matching sites but not to Ancestry. From my early searches, Ancestry stand alone as not accepting other companies dna files into their matching database.
What are the higher cost tests for?
@LoopyLou: There are a few different tests so it depends on what you are after. I have a few unused coupons for various tests, if anyone is interested let me know…not sure on amount of discount(s) though.
@LoopyLou: If you are referring to the Y-DNA and mtDNA tests on the Family Tree DNA website:
Y-DNA is a test for men that analyses their Y chromosome and provides information on their direct male line (father's father's father's… line) only.
mtDNA tests can be used by men or women and analyse mitochondrial DNA, which provides information on their mother's mother's mother's… line only. I'd say this one is more suitable for avid genealogists interested in the ancient migration paths of their ancestors.
If you are new to genetic genealogy and interested in learning more about the ancestors of both of your parents, I'd suggest starting with an autosomal test, such as the AncestryDNA deal posted here, or Family Tree DNA's "Family Finder" test.
@LoopyLou:
Males can do various levels of Y chromosone test, each covering more markers. Another extra test is mtDNA = mitochondrial dna.Sorry I can't advise how to best obtain health info — I only use the results for genealogy.
Are you in Australia?
Last time I checked, it was impossible to get the 23andme health service if your shipping address was in Australia.I am in Aus.. I have like 3 colleagues at work who use this service and I checked about a year ago that it was ok to ship to Aus. Has something changed recently?
The 'International' service they provide is Ancestry only, not Ancestry + Health.
It all changed a couple of years ago with the FDA ruling.@damion: from what I read, you get the full dump of the genome test in a raw format that contains everything (including the genetic markers - SNP etc). You can then take it to another place such as promethease (outside of US jurisdiction) as described above for a much more extensive list to diseases and health for only $5 USD. I'm more interested in the Health side than the heritage given there isnt that much data correlation for Asian population (23andme has a horrible and small selection of Asian stats).
@bchliu: If I got 100% confirmation of that, then I'd order some more kits for family members, but every time I speak to their support, I get ambiguous answers. I originally had mine done when they offered the full health analysis service themselves.
@damion: hmmm.. Interesting. But looking at their own product comparison:
https://www.23andme.com/compare-dna-tests/Both tests come out with the RAW data. The main difference is that the expensive one gives their interpretation of the data. I'm thinking of just doing myself for now and then do the family later. I'll get the RAW and see if I can parse it through Promethease or something. I'll put in an order tonight and let you know in a few weeks if you are willing to wait.
Use this link to get the International shipping:
https://www.23andme.com/en-int/If you do the normal site, it is only for US only. But no discount for the internationals however.. :(
Here are (some) current sales prices of companies http://www.genie1.com.au/blog/54-current-sales-discount-offe…
Also, just to say that I purchased a DNA kit from Groupon USA earlier this year. I used my card and it never went through because I wasnt a local, but I also tried paying via Paypal and that worked.
I actually did some research after seeing the discount, but decided against posting the deal after reading some poor reviews on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/AncestryDNA-Genetic-Testing-Ancestry-…
From what I gather: there's some privacy issues; the results only give you large vague regions and percentages; and they don't offer stand-alone Y test results, so there is no way of separately viewing your ethnicity from your mother’s/father’s side of the family.
there is no way of separately viewing your ethnicity from your mother’s/father’s side of the family.
It wouldn’t matter since the results they give you are misleading. What they claim to do is not possible.
JV, It's not misleading nor a scam. It requires huge amounts of data to be able to patternise ethnicity, traits and attributes back to any genetic information with and probability of heritability. It will get better over the years add more people do so with their questionnaires and stuff.
Privacy is the biggest concern for anyone doing this, but without voicing real ACCURATE data back to these groups, it screws up the statistical calculations required to determine this.
Tests are broken into 2 areas - 1) Ethnicity (still a work in progress for companies so it can be way off, but also reasonably accurate), and 2) Matching - this is where the value is.
Male YDNA can be done through ftDNA, LivingDNA.
When you get a parent tested you can then see mum/dad line separation, this cannot be done otherwise (maybe if aunts/uncle have been tested but not sure as I haven't done this yet)
Ancestry has the biggest database so its worth a autosomal test.
ftDNA is also worth doing a test as they keep your dna for many years and you can upgrade as and when you want to.
Some companies allow you to import your DNA data from other companies (for example, ftDNA > Geni)
You really know your DNA.
A bit, still much to learn.
Hey Peter, I’m adopted and I’d like to complete a DNA test to find out my ethnicity.. Which DNA test is the best/most accurate IYO?
What they give you for ethnicity may not be accurate, and the results may differ from company to company. The most accurate? LivingDNA. Perhaps.
If you wanted to look into finding bio parents, then I would START with with ancestry.com because they have the largest database.
msjb: Another way to determine ethnicity, rather than relying on the ethnicity estimates provided by the testing company, is to work on building your genetic family tree and discovering the ethnicities of your ancestors. If you are interested in this type of research and are willing and able to spend a lot of time researching and working on it, I would suggest testing with AncestryDNA.
@mdsh: thanks you too mdsh
The only issue is I am unable to find information about my real parents - a DNA test is my only option. Family tree information is pointless for me.. just the best DNA testing kit.@msjb: Even if you have no information about your bio parents it can still be possible to build your genetic family tree if you get some relatively close (e.g. 2nd cousin) DNA matches when you get your test results. My comment below gives a brief summary of how start on this. Feel free to message me if you would like some links to resources on this type of research.
Great. I have been wondering if there is OzBargainian trait in my DNA.
I'm Asian , bargain flows in my vein
These DNA tests are a SCAM
https://amp.livescience.com/2084-dna-kits-secrets-scientific…
They might match your DNA to some group on some continent, but what they don’t tell you is that you would probably also match the group next door if only they had some of those samples as well.
The results of these tests are useless in determining your ancestry .
I did five tests and the results came back that I'm susepctible to scams, so I sent off the required $500 to find out more.
The linked/quoted article does not refer to the same type of DNA test as posted in this deal. The article is 10 years old — genealogical DNA testing has changed a lot in that time.
Not available to Tasmanians.
Watch the segment in an episode of the checkout
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/thecheckout/episodes/s03ep03.htm
Re ancestry
I mean.. if they're gonna sequence the entire genome for that price, I'd be right on it! That'd be a really, really nice discount! But they're not :(
I think the only real full sequence ever done was the human genome project as such. Considering were like 99% the same in full sequence to each other between us humans, they focus on getting the known differential parts (1%) to keep costs and effort down.
Comments above suggesting this test is a scam are incorrect. With the help of the relative matching results provided by the AncestryDNA test posted in this deal, I have been able to identify the biological parents of a number of adoptees. It is a test that can be especially valuable to people who do not know who their biological parents are.
How does that work? Assuming the parents had themselves signed up to Ancestry DNA testing, which I would assume is highly unlikely, surely you wouldn't be given any identifiable information if there was a hit to a particular person.
My parents did this last year and found it to be a complete waste of money. Nice to hear if people are getting something from this, although privacy concerns is enough to keep me away.
The parents themselves do not need to have tested, although if they have it makes the process very easy!
For people who do not know their genetic family tree, I start by looking at the family trees of their DNA cousin matches, looking for ancestors that the DNA cousins have in common.
For example, say your closest DNA match is 'Peter', who is estimated by Ancestry to be a 2nd cousin. You likely share a set of great grandparents with Peter. So you look at Peter's tree and take note of who his great grandparents are: Jack Smith and Ann Perry, Beth Davis and Sam Thompson, Frederick McGregor and Rita Summerfield, William Green and Eliza Schneider.
Then you try to figure out which of these four couples are the great grandparents you share with Peter. You study the trees of your other cousin matches. You notice that one of your 3rd cousin matches descends from a John McGregor, who is the brother of the Frederick McGregor that Peter descends from. This suggests that the great grandparents you share with Peter are Frederick McGregor and Rita Summerfield. So you add this couple to your speculative tree. You continue this process, which is just the first step. You will likely need to do a lot of other genealogical research and possibly utilise other tools, such as GEDmatch for chromosome comparisons.
I took the test and it worked out I am 96% chimpanzee and 50% banana.
Thats a pretty good result @146%, you are more than complete. A unique makeup their bro.
Actually 96% of our DNA is shared with chimps and 50% with bananas. I am far from unique, except for the forfty percent Simspons I have.
50% with bananas
Is that why there's a bend in them?
Waste of time. I took the test. Ancestry are terrible when you want to unsubscribe.
"Comments above suggesting this test is a scam are incorrect. With the help of the relative matching results provided by the AncestryDNA test posted in this deal, I have been able to identify the biological parents of a number of adoptees. It is a test that can be especially valuable to people who do not know who their biological parents are."
The above comment is only possible if there is sufficient data available. In my case nil. The test will tell you percentages of ethnicity. It is a remote chance to find anyone "close" to you.
People who descend from recent immigrants from countries where AncestryDNA testing is unavailable or illegal or who descend from small families (small number of offspring in multiple generations) are far less likely to get close cousin matches.
People who descend from very large families with many generations in the US, UK or Australia are more likely to find close cousin matches in the Ancestry database.
I agree with the above. If your family heritage is from countries that generally don't use these services. i.e. Asia in my case. You'll have bugger all chances of getting any useful matches. I did my testing with FamilyTreeDNA and all it confirmed was that I was 97% South East Asian.
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