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99: Well you just rebuked your own argument against the big bang.'
BP: No I haven't. Where do you come from, where are you now and where are you going? if the future is either for the universe to get frozen to death or burned to death , again according to scientific research, then what do you have to look forward to?
99: Thats right, we are a tiny speck in a universe
BP: Regardless of the end your life is but nothing.
99: So what if it is…
Again this is not proof of god, just someone with an ego …
BP: Belief is also based on knowing about something. Doesn't have to be I believe in Santa Claus story. 99: Beleif is accepting something as truth WITH NO EVIDENCE for it. If you dont check the ACTUAL truth then you are a child, adults should reason and verify the facts and not just accept any nonsense someone tells them. BP: Even if you have never seen someone run over by a car because they crossed when it was red light, you still believe based on the know that if you cross the road when it's red light, that you might get killed. 99: WTF ??? THis is nonsense, scientists do their experiments and more based on facts, not this sort of bullshit. Grow up. ~~ BP: And if there is God, well, I'll just say, I told you so. So, I am good either way. Are you? 99: WTF No, because science and knowledge is based on lucky guesses. The bible is full of nonsense, i shared just one of many, that show its written by ordinary men from a long time ago. Jesus example of not washign his hands is the perfectly explained as the acts of an ordinary man with no scientific backgrounf and doesnt know better.99: If you think god is so great, perhaps you might want to live under "gods" laws aka Moses laws. Perhaps when you see the misery they create you might have second thoughts on how such a genius could produce such utter garbage. Feel free to ask for example of the utter barbarity of Gods laws…"
BP: Yes… we could debate this till the end of the universe and I doubt we would be any closer to a resolution.
99: Thats befcause you are avoiding the challenge im presenting with nonsense. We shoudl reason not play lotto.
BP: But, disregarding that, you might actually read the New Testament and what Jesus said. If humans used that, even if they didn't believe in God, just the usual, don't kill, steal, lie… how much this world would be better. But, alas it is not to be.
99: Buddha, Zoroaster, Moses and countless others said the same things, but we dont go about pretending they are gods.
All of jesus ideas of law are QUOTATIONS directly from Moses. he invented nothing new on this matter. The problem is you dont want to accept and acknowledge the consequences of the laws of Moses, which Jesus describes as everylasting.
And Jesus also said in Matt 5, that if we want to goto heaven , we should learn and teach all the laws of Moses…
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BP: BTW, the Bible is written by people, not by God. So, I wouldn't take the whole Bible in it's literal form. Don't they say, winners write the history.
99: I agree the bible was written by ordinary men, but without the bible, we have nothing about Jesus life or teachings. Jesus doesnt exist if there is no Bible. You just erased Jesus and God.
You only have the bible because the Romans compiled it and kept it as the official book of their church. I agree its pathetic that people believe in God because of what the Roman Emperors chose to give to them. Then again the Old Testament is hardly any better, practically all those books are written by two classes of elites, the kings, and high priests, another equally vile group of men.
THis is too easy, now you dont have the bible for your god, you habve nothing.
BP: Yeah… Already answered that, hmm…
99: No, you replied, with a nonsense answer., that was wrong anyway
THe gospels say jesus NEVER washed his hands before eatting. There is no way the pharisees were in the same room or close enough EVERY SINGLE TIME Jesus ate. it clearly says he NEVER WASHED HIS HANDS before eating.
Jesus could have just done a shit and then he goes and eats ? Thats INSANELY STUPID, and given he NEVER WASHED his hands that means it did happen.
If your best reply is he did that one time because he had to do the opposite of the pharisees, that completely stupid and utterly childish. Adults dont play games like that, a supposed teacher shoudl be above nonsense like that and should be setting a good example.
Are you seriously going to tell me, it was more important to "do the opposite" of the Pharisees, rather than set a good example that would save millions of lives via, good habit ?
If ANYONE repeated Jesus example today, they would be a joke, and you would also say they were stupid. Be honest, there is only one reasonable explanation for jesus actions.
BP: What he was saying though was, wash you hand for ritual purity. But you wouldn't know that since you only know about science, would you?
99: NO you need to read the gospels, because it says he NEVER WASHED before eating.
Are you seriously going to tell me, you dont wash your hands after a shite, because the pharisees washed their hands before eating ?
Grow up.
99: Thats befcause you are avoiding the challenge im presenting with nonsense. We shoudl reason not play lotto.
BP: so God is barbaric, hmm? Then read a bit about history. Ever since there is history humans have been fighting and doing all sorts of things to each other.
99: Buddha, Zoroaster, Moses and countless others said the same things, but we dont go about pretending they are gods.
BP; you don't and others don't. They believe.
99; THis is too easy, now you dont have the bible for your god, you habve nothing.
BP; I am fine with that. You can tell me all about it once we lay next to each other, 6 feet under.. or maybe sitting in an urn. I am sure you will have a lot to tell how your life was wonderful. Unfortunately a kid who died of starvation won't be able to say the same.
All I said is; he didn't want to follow their rules, which even they could not follow. Again it talks about ritual washing. You are taking the Bible too literally. Maybe they should have mentioned that brushing ones teeth is good too. Don't make me laugh. The Bible is not a book about health. Of course he did not wash his hands because he didn't want to follow the rules of those who made them, but didn't follow. Have you ever been in a catholic or orthodox church. Where they kiss icons and their priests' hands. And no, they too didn't wash their hands. By the time believers got to church, there was plenty of germs there. Nowadays we know the importance of washing hands, yet they still do it. Even drinking from the same cup.
"SO why didnt Jesus teach people then how to make soap and wash their hands ?"
Should have told them about oral hygiene too.
BP: use peoples nicks before comments… its not hard…
99: SO why didnt Jesus teach people then how to make soap and wash their hands ?"
BP: Should have told them about oral hygiene too.
99: Well i dont expect jesus to teach everything, but at least ONE example would have helped, problem is he didnt teach any.
BP: All I said is; he didn't want to follow their rules, which even they could not follow. Again it talks about ritual washing. You are taking the Bible too literally.
99: Well theres only ONE way to take any text. If you dont take it literally then it has no value.
BP: Maybe they should have mentioned that brushing ones teeth is good too. Don't make me laugh. The Bible is not a book about health
99: Strnage because it uses the words clean and unclean many times in the mitzvot.
Eg menstrating women are unclean.
There are dozens if not hundreds of similar examples i could share. The problem is you dont want to accept its notion of cleanliness is plain stupid compared to practical facts.
BP: Have you ever been in a catholic or orthodox church. Where they kiss icons and their priests' hands.
99: Im not defending the RCC, i have no idea why you would think they are some shining example.
BP: Nowadays we know the importance of washing hands, yet they still do it. Even drinking from the same cup.
99: WHich proves my point that they are like the bible flawed.
99: SO why didnt Jesus teach people then how to make soap and wash their hands ?"
It wasn't his job to teach people to wash their hands. He wasn't working as a health professional.
Question. Do you shake hands when you meet someone? If you do, you got your answer. Just like then it was a custom, so it is a tradition now when people shake hands when they meet each other. Custom, tradition, ritual ting. Not health thing. Got it?
99: Well theres only ONE way to take any text. If you dont take it literally then it has no value.
BP; that's a good one but… in grand scheme of things and sorry to say that, you can't understand the bible literally. I can't be bothered explaining literal thing, so you'll have to talk to a priest.
99: Strnage because it uses the words clean and unclean many times in the mitzvot.
BP; you know, I don't know if you are trolling or not. That too didn't have anything to do with your germs.
99: Im not defending the RCC, i have no idea why you would think they are some shining example.
BP; and where do you get it that I think they are a shining example? I was saying that what they do is dirty and someone could get sick.
But obviously you have no understanding of differences between a ritual, religious thing vs cleanliness.
99: WHich proves my point that they are like the bible flawed.
BP; yeah right…
99: Well theres only ONE way to take any text. If you dont take it literally then it has no value.
BP; that's a good one but… in grand scheme of things and sorry to say that, you can't understand the bible literally. I can't be bothered explaining literal thing, so you'll have to talk to a priest.
99: Its a fact. If we allow everyone to change text into saying something else we have chaos. Do i really need to show how many different christian religions exist now and in the paste.
Imagine if the house you bought with its address and price and the remainings of the contract was completely changed like what tyou are pretending applies toi prophecy. Australia would be a joke, no contract would have any value because everyone would be re-intrepeting them to mean something else.
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99: WHich proves my point that they are like the bible flawed.
BP; yeah right…
99: Wow dont get too deep on your proofs.
You need to learn how professionals and scientists do their work.
Boeing before a plane is certified goes thru an enormous amounts of tests with proofs. THey dont just make shit up like what you are doing with your bible examples.
Proofs must be exact, papers say what they really say…nothing more and nothing less. ANything else is fraud…
99: Well theres only ONE way to take any text. If you dont take it literally then it has no value.
BP; that's a good one but… in grand scheme of things and sorry to say that, you can't understand the bible literally. I can't be bothered explaining literal thing, so you'll have to talk to a priest.
99: Why dont be honest and say you cant explain it becauseyour only . explanation is you want a license to bullshit, just like all the other frauds in history who invent lies to start their own religion, eg Koresh, Joseph Smith, Mohammad, Rutherford, Little Pebble and many others.
If god wanted to tell us a message, he would have written that message exactly.
99; Australia would be a joke
BP; Australia is a joke. You just have to look under the surface and you'll see. But then it is universal to all countries or shall we say humans.
99: Wow dont get too deep on your proofs.
Boeing before a plane is certified goes thru an enormous amounts of tests with proofs. THey dont just make shit up like what you are doing with your bible examples.
Proofs must be exact, papers say what they really say…nothing more and nothing less. ANything else is fraud…
BP: You've just proven yourself that you don't have any idea between test/research and made up shit. Or shall I put it bluntly; You took the Bible on it's face value. You never bothered to research why the Pharisee wanted Jesus to wash his hands. If you did your research you would know, but just like people who vote negative for cage eggs, yet vote positive for MacDonald's, Hungry Jack's, Red Roster's deal even though they use cage eggs, proves my point. You didn't do your research before you started your high horse quest. If you did, you would know that what I said about not taking it literally was the truth as you again and again are hung up on germs, when the Pharisee didn't care the slightest about germs but religious/ritual thing. And as far as I am concerned I'll put this to rest. You can comment on this but I gave you the answer before and now and I am not going into useless debate when you didn't even research the true meaning of not just this instance, but many others. And your comparison to Boeing really takes the cake. The Bible is a religious book and Boeing on the other works with technical stuff. Your comparison is flawed.
Go back and research the Bible. Then come and discuss, because what you have done is just simple; read, without actually trying to understand it. If Boeing did what you did, their planes would never even be made, let alone made to fly.
So go back, read and STUDY the Bible. Reading and taking it at face value won't make you understand it any more.
99; Australia would be a joke
BP; Australia is a joke. You just have to look under the surface and you'll see. But then it is universal to all countries or shall we say humans.
99: Its not a joke.. its a grand place to live in. Its certainly better then theocracy under Gods law in the OT.
How pathetic that you judge Australia so harshly and yet you have no problems with PEOPLE LYING about what the bible actually says.
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BP: You've just proven yourself that you don't have any idea between test/research and made up shit. Or shall I put it bluntly; You took the Bible on it's face value.
99: You dont get it, thats all we can take it on. How else can people communicate if we dontlisten tothe very words they tell us b ut instead pretend it all means something else ?
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BP You never bothered to research why the Pharisee wanted Jesus to wash his hands.
99: You need to learn to read, i clearly said their superstitions are irrelevant because setting a good example to humanity is more important than their nonsense superstitions.
Washing your hands is more important than doing the opposite of the pharisees. Do you seriously think ALL christiaans today should NEVER wash their hands because the pharisees did before eatting ?
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BP: If you did your research you would know, but just like people who vote negative for cage eggs, yet vote positive for MacDonald's, Hungry Jack's, Red Roster's deal even though they use cage eggs, proves my point.
99: I dont care about those people, im talking to you about jesus and HIS exa mple.
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BP: You didn't do your research before you started your high horse quest. If you did, you would know that what I said about not taking it literally was the truth as you again and again are hung up on germs, when the Pharisee didn't care the slightest about germs but religious/ritual thing. And as far as I am concerned I'll put this to rest. You can comment on this but I gave you the answer before and now and I am not going into useless debate when you didn't even research the true meaning of not just this instance, but many others.
99: Your answer is completely stupid. You dont understand i appreciate their religious customs, its just in my personal opinion a stupid way to conduct yourself.
Like i said a few lines up, its MORE IMPORTANT TO BE HEALTHY AND CLEAN before eatting than ding the opposite of the pharisees ?
Do you understand that ?
Washing hands and being clean so we dont catch germs is MORe important than doing opposite to Pharisees ?
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BP: And your comparison to Boeing really takes the cake. The Bible is a religious book and Boeing on the other works with technical stuff. Your comparison is flawed.
99: No its valid because bothhave consequences. Hundreds of millions, perhaps BILLIONS of people in all human history have read and been governed by the bible. Religion isnt a trivial unimportant thing.
As .i said before, the honest thing to do is READ THE BIBLE FOR WHAT IT SAYS. If youd ont want to accept what it says, then why bother with it ? Go an invent your own religion like LRHubbard, b ecause you certainly dont need the bible.
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BP: Go back and research the Bible.
99: Here we go again, with your honesty or lack of it. You think you can just say things as if they are true with no basis in facts or evidence.
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BP: Then come and discuss, because what you have done is just simple; read, without actually trying to understand it.
99: No you dont understand what i said. I will repeat the reasonwhy i criticize jesus multiple times because you dont seem to understand the concept of Jesus doing the right thing because B ILLIONS later on would see your example .
Washing hands and being clean so we dont catch germs is MORe important than doing opposite to Pharisees !
Washing hands and being clean so we dont catch germs is MORe important than doing opposite to Pharisees !
Washing hands and being clean so we dont catch germs is MORe important than doing opposite to Pharisees !~
BP: If Boeing did what you did, their planes would never even be made, let alone made to fly.
99: No the problem is you dont know how to read WHY i said Jesus said a bad example.
You blinded by your own bullshit you cant comprehend that jesus in the book you call a fairy tale could be wrong.
So why do you believe the bible, if you claim its not to be taken literally ? The story of Jesus could just be made up, after all we cant take it literally…can we ?
You forgot eneloops
that stuff is old testament and the offers have expired and won’t be repeated,
has been superceded by new testament.The only problem is this statement is completely untrue.
Jesus on Matt 5 says if you want to go heaven you should teach and learn the laws of moses. You just called Jesus a liar.
I prefer Ozbargainlism. Pray to Ozb gods for a hour each day and get a free eneloop!
do not covet thy neighbor's bargain pile
Give us this day our daily bargain. Thou shalt not pay RRP, blessed be thy coupon. Thy discount applied in store as it is online. Abargain.
Lol.
Say wasn't there a similar Ozbargain prayer or something and @Scab was one of the one's that commented, would like to find it again and bookmark it in my funny comments folder :).
That's easy. Just go through Scab's comment history :-P
You, will be getting 10 billion eneloops!
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Thou shalt not Broden thy brothers bargains.
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Hello Broden :)
I'm here for redemption and forgiveness.
For a post such as this, they never fail to yield results.
The flying spaghetti bargain
Still slightly better than the enlightened fedora bargain
Pretty sure Christian iOS users are getting more tail than any Android atheists out there.
Unless anime waifus count.
I can't burn this. Useless. Won't neg.
Here for the comments grabs popcorn
Bible deal? Always worth it for the comments :D
But 'you must respect it or keep quiet' don't you know.
Next week I plan to post 'generous' links to bargain Voodoo magic spells (BYO live chicken or goat) and the wonders of Scientology (BYO e-meter). Or is it only popularity and not veracity that makes this sort of thread 'valid'.
Defective product. Going to down vote.
Provides stories with much violence, perversion, blatant lies. Has little or no facts, historical, practical information. Traps children by using both psychology and telepathy, sometimes referred to as witchcraft.
It insights violence, individually and in massive irrational group attacks.
And provides no evidence to substantiate its many claims.
This book claims to describe everything, but provide no real evidence. It has been very harmful IMO. So down voting in good conscience.I disagree with your rant also.
It benefited me. I found it highly amusing and disturbingly accurate. And entirely unrelated to the idea of being a social justice warrior.
If you think SJW is an insult you are christianing wrong (imho).
Did you read the whole comment?
I'm not religious whatsoever
One day you will come to realise, bashing religions on the internet doesn't really benefit anyone..
Yeh lets pretend that religion helps build better lives. Lets completely ignore the horrors and lives of all the slaves and poor people who died because of religion when Christianity ruled Europe. Lets not pretend that Islam is a part of the real problems in all Islamic lands both now and in the past.
The poorest people in the world, who live in the worst countries on earth are also the most religious. THe less people believe the better their lands are.
Look at Australia, just 75 years ago, everyone went to church and look what it taught them about treating Aboriginals. THe less we goto church the better Australia continues to evolve. Australia, its laws its people arent perfect but they are a lot better than the religious people of the past.
Religion basically NEVER makes anything better…thats a fact. Feel free to give counter examples and i will give you religious ones that are 100x worse.
You're proving my point, since you clearly didn't read my whole comment like everyone else. What counter examples am I going to give? I think religion is as stupid as the next guy.
It's like people read 1 line and assume I'm defending religion, when really I'm more or less attacking the anti-religion circlejerk that just gets annoying after a certain point. These are not the same thing.
I did read your comment, the problem is many others like to pretend that religion is all warm and fuzzy and perfect in practice, which simply is untrue as history shows.
BS atypical hate speech that's been bludgeoned to death. Nobody's forcing you to read neither take this deal so why try to force others against it. Get over yourself and furthermore your hate speech doesn't validate your biased neg in any way shape or form.
Welcome to RELIGION.
Great speech, but still an invalid use of a negative vote.
I doubt very much that you have read the Bible itself judging from your conclusion that you have taken from popular atheistic consensus. If you are open minded enough to read it, then I’m happy to engage in discussion with you.
Wouldn't surprise me if the Bible was a game of Chinese whispers that got way out of hand and someone thought to write it down for the lolz
Thats a fact, go look at the authors and what their position in the community was. They were all kings, military leaders and high priests, aka POLITICIANS. If all the PMS of Australia, people like Malcom Turnbull, TOny Abbott, Julia GIllard or Kevin Rudd told you they were chosen by god to rule you would you believe them ?
Of course you wouldnt and yet when hundreds of years of jewish kings, military leaders and high priests tell you they were….some people believe them.
A great man, by the name of soupkitchen, once said on here
"Defective product. Going to down vote.
Provides stories with much violence, perversion, blatant lies. Has little or no facts, historical, practical information. Traps children by using both psychology and telepathy, sometimes referred to as witchcraft.
It insights violence, individually and in massive irrational group attacks.
And provides no evidence to substantiate its many claims.
This book claims to describe everything, but provide no real evidence. It has been very harmful IMO. So down voting in good conscience."Sorry not going to stand unqualified blanket statements that have been addressed time and time over in even the most basic of refutes by apologists and scholars.
It's up to you to properly research both sides of something before venting an uninformed tyrade, simply relying on media/teachers/pop culture of the day/mates opinion is inherant of potential fallacy. We're here on Ozbargain to research prices and find good deals, this post was about a deal that people have a right to discern and access for themselves without negative or biased influence in their face.
Anyway not intending to spend NYE debating, peace out.
Hehehe, you wrote all that for little old me copying someone else's comment that was literally like 2 or 3 above my own?
Aww shucks.
Someone give Ninjataki a bible to nurse on and wipe his tears.
New Year's OzBargain resolution…No religion or politics on this site.
Wow a PDF. You wont even get any pleasure burning it. Probably can't even make heaps of copy of the PDF just to delete them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2z-YHF_GVk
Let us all please try not to bring religion here. We are all here to see bargains.
If the posted bargain doesn't interest you personally, simply don't click on it. This post states the offer, and includes no attempts at religious persuasion. Out of the myriad deals that are on ozbargain, it is a safe bet that ones of this ilk attract the most attention and comments from those who have no actual interest in the deal. When perusing daily/recent bargains posted, would you click on one about baby products if you have no baby, and are not expecting one in the near future? Would you scope out the latest dog food deal if you dislike dogs? It is baffling, the biases and prejudices people possess.
This post states the offer, and includes no attempts at religious persuasion.
That's a tall claim when large parts of the book and the people who follow are about proselytizing.
Not at all, as the deal would surely not be utilised by anyone other than those who are already Christians, or someone who has some other vested interest in the content. Your point is valid about the nature of the book/religion and its wont for conversion, but how would this be achieved in such a manner as a simple post on ozbargain? As the comments have proven, people are not so easily swayed from their own principles. To further an example I used in my previous post, dog food is for feeding dogs. A deal stating a cheap offer is not an attempt to get someone to buy a dog, simply a helpful way of alerting those who might be interested. Obviously, dog food and the Bible can't be equated for their purposes, but again, the OP said nothing further than what the bargain was. They did not go into the purpose of the content of said deal.
Theres also truth in advertising and responsibility to not sell or give harmful/dangerous products.
@ninetyNineCents: Are you advocating anti-Bible/other religious texts laws? Interesting stance, if so. As for your implied claim that the Bible and/or other religious doctrines are untruthful, that will never be known definitively one way or the other. Parties on both sides believe certain (contradictory) things, which is their right, and the truth can only be discovered come the end of one's days, when people will either discover they were wrong, or completely cease to exist so it doesn't matter anyway.
NV: Are you advocating anti-Bible/other religious texts laws?
99c: No.
NV: As for your implied claim that the Bible and/or other religious doctrines are untruthful, that will never be known definitively one way or the other.
99: Its not a claim, its a fact. THere is only one law in Australia, and thats the Australian law.
@ninetyNineCents: Ok, you're welcome to believe what you would like, doesn't worry me. The law of Australia does not restrict religion, therefore what is within their texts must be acceptable to disseminate, and not considered to be promoting harmful untruths. I believe all religions should operate within the law of the nation, no disagreement there. When I spoke of not being able to know definitive truth, I was making a reference to the common theme in religion of some sort of heaven/nirvana/elysium etc., and the afterlife in general. Perhaps that wasn't clear. I don't believe any national law will ever deny a belief in such things, and surely to hope for such a thing isn't harmful.
NV: Ok, you're welcome to believe what you would like, doesn't worry me.
99: I dont believe, its a fact, go ask any policeman what laws run the country. YOu really should check a dictionary for the difference between the 2 words.
NV: The law of Australia does not restrict religion, therefore what is within their texts must be acceptable to disseminate, and not considered to be promoting harmful untruths.
99: The law of Australia does restrict religion, eg muslims cant marry underage girls.
NV: I believe all religions should operate within the law of the nation, no disagreement there.
99: Well i think you will find the truth factor i mention hasnt been tested in a court of law…
@ninetyNineCents: Alright, I see now you're incapable of a reasonable discussion, merely cherry picking the elements you'd like to try and support your argument, and ignoring others. The law of Australia doesn't forbid reading, distributing, or believing any religious text. Any illegal practices that might result from a particular belief set are, of course, punishable by Australian law. As per your final statement above, due to the fact said truth hasn't been tested in a court of law, it is not bound by any current laws. Thanks for the discussion, it highlights to me that some people's opinions (or perhaps in this case, knowledge) are/is beyond reproach. I have seen the light.
NV: Alright, I see now you're incapable of a reasonable discussion
99: Argh typical, ad hom attacks simply because you cant do better and reason with facts.
NV: merely cherry picking the elements you'd like to try and support your argument, and ignoring others.
99: No thats how the law works. We have some privileges which are limited by other laws. Eg we can do whatever we like providing we dont break other laws that protect other people, possesions and so on.
Your bland / broad views are wrong.
NV: The law of Australia doesn't forbid reading, distributing, or believing any religious text.
99: Actually it does, texts which incites violence is illegal. Again you dont appreciate the freedoms of religion are VERY MUCH LIMITED.
NV: As per your final statement above, due to the fact said truth hasn't been tested in a court of law, it is not bound by any current laws.
99: No it hasnt been tested. Its not q uestion of limits its a question what would happen if this were tested.
@ninetyNineCents: 🖒 Cheers. I find it ironic that hypocrisy is usually reserved as a criticism for the religious.
What might be an ad hom attack, considering you are the fount of all knowledge?
NV: I find it ironic that hypocrisy is usually reserved as a criticism for the religious.
99: If you want to accuse me of hypocrisy write complete sentences, with an example…
NV: What might be an ad hom attack, considering you are the fount of all knowledge?
99: Mentioning anything about me as person is irrelevant to what i have said. It doesnt matter where i live, how old i am, what i eat or anything like that. We arent discussing "me" we are discussing a diff matter.
"And there i was the only white guy in Jerusalem" should be the title
2000 years ago I had a good time with this married Israeli bird, got away clean and she managed to convince her husband it was a divine conception.
It was so breathtaking they were still gossiping about it 2 millenias later!
They couldn’t sell it and now they can’t even give it away for free!!!
Always keen to read and learn. Thanks for post OP.
Man, the hoops people are jumping through to justify their personal hate on a bargain…
Thanks OP! You guys should check out these articles about the accuracy and authenticity of The Bible.
https://creation.com/nt-manuscripts
https://creation.com/trust-the-bibleI think the Bible is supposed to direct you to God, our Heavenly Father, who lives and talks today. To awaken you to know that His son Jesus Christ completed His Atonement to enable you to return to Him, and that to live with Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ, and to be joint heirs with Christ, in Heaven you need to live life a certain way. It gives you enough information to be able to recognise His church, through prayer and the promptings of the Holy Ghost. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints - Jesus' restored church to the Earth.
The book of mormon is just bible fan fiction, authored by a convicted fraud.
Like I said previously your version of an imaginary friend is no more valid than anyone else's.
Oh man….
The LDS church… Joseph Smith - convicted con man. Brigham Young - A most brutal murderer that had no problem killing innocent children in his campaigns to gain a place for his followers. Check out nakedmorman podcast.
You know what they say, "don't feed the beast… er trolls".
So… you're suggesting that they should have just ignored you?
E: I think the Bible is supposed to direct you to God, our Heavenly Father, who lives and talks today.
99: God the father doesnt walk or talk today. Feel free to show me his tv show or YT channel.
E: To awaken you to know that His son Jesus Christ completed His Atonement to enable you to return to Him
99: SO it was a publicity stunt ?
E: to enable you to return to Him, and that to live with Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ, and to be joint heirs with Christ, in Heaven you need to live life a certain way.
99: WHere does it say that in the bible.. Heres a clue it doesnt, feel free to quote the bible verse…
E: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints - Jesus' restored church to the Earth.
99: Oh the same Mormons, that until the 80s said that blacks were cursed and not allowed to be ministers, until the US gov, told them they would lsoe their tax status unless they reformed their racist ways ?
99: God the father doesnt walk or talk today. Feel free to show me his tv show or YT channel.
99: SO it was a publicity stunt ?
99: WHere does it say that in the bible.. Heres a clue it doesnt, feel free to quote the bible verse…
99: Oh the same Mormons, that until the 80s said that blacks were cursed and not allowed to be ministers, until the US gov, told them they would lsoe their tax status unless they reformed their racist ways ?I think the best way for you to get answers is to read the scriptures, talk to Heavenly Father yourself and have a chat to these guys Mormon.org Mormon.org, they do online chat and phone call or come to your door :)
I won't be responding to this any more. I hope you continue with your search though.
Im simply pointing out the Mormons themselves value their beliefs so little they sell out to save some money to avoid paying tax. Thats them confirming its all bs.
"How to divide mankind for centuries for dummies"
If everyone was Christian, there will be no division as everyone would have the bible as their moral compass. If everyone was Atheist, everyone would follow their own moral compass and conscience, making mankind even more divided. I can guarantee that there will be plenty of people who would think stealing, drugs, pedopihilia, killing and more to be justified, as the bible is not there to object :)
I am sure that all those killed in the centuries of sectarian violence between the Catholics and the Protestants would also agree if they were not dead due to division between people using the Bible as their moral compass.
Yeah, because all Christians agree with each other 😂
there will be plenty of people who would think stealing, drugs, pedopihilia, killing and more to be justified, as the bible is not there to object
Yet the bible can't stop priests from sexually assaulting and raping children.
Yet the bible can't stop churches from covering up child sexual abuses done by priests.
You fail too appreciate that while th ebible has hundreds of laws, theres no law that says raping little kids is wrong.
Shaving y0ur beard is punishable by death, but raping kids theres no law against that.
Someone should publish a bible of OZB
or Dummies version
They're all Dummies versions.
@ninetyNineCents:
Yeah… Already answered that, hmm…