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Just saw this on Catch, down from I think $178 or something a few days ago. RRP $199
Google Wi-Fi Single Device AU ($154.95 Delivered Save $45) | or $145 for Club Catch Subscribers @ Catch
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onlinepred on 09/01/2018 - 13:43 catch.com.au (432 clicks)
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8==D TATION!
Yea I need someone to go thirds with. I only need one!!!
The 3 pack isn't AU stock
That’s overseas version from DWI International in HongKong. It’s nothing to do with COTD except listing goods and collecting money by COTD. I bought it but returned unopened because I didn’t realise the wifi was overseas version. They charged me 95 bucks for the return. That took a month. Another thing is the google wifi is over-hyped. Coverage is bigger but wifi speed is slower.
Are these special ones for Ice Hockey?
Anyone one have any experience with these?
I live in a old stone house (walls 250mm to 375mm thick), so I remain skeptical about wireless repeaters and access points.
Cheers.
Put them in your roof space so they have clear transmission to each other and coverage of rooms below
Roof space - what's that?
I just grabbed the 3-pack to redo the WiFi at my parent's double brick, two storey house and was able to cover the place and granny flat out the back with just those 3 pucks without an ethernet backbone. Connection is ~30 mb/s at the router and I can get very close to that on the wifi network around the house and a good distance outside.
The issues I had with it were actually with the better range devices - they had a habit of connecting to the further away pucks and getting poor speeds. I couldn't find a way to reliably force them to connect to the correct one. Also if latency is a concern (online gaming etc) I wouldn't want to be any more than one jump away from the router.
To give them credit my parent's house has a very bad history of stitched together wifi products to cover the house and Google's offering couldn't really be any simpler to setup and the fact it covers the whole place really surprised me. The less callouts I get to come and tinker the better.
Best router I've used - great performance and super simple to set up and control. The Android app also has some pretty cool features. Would definitely recommend.
Live in a similar old place, high thick stone walls. Have tried multiple routers, repeaters etc over the years and couldn't be happier with these. On almost an acre and have coverage to 1/2 the grounds and have no problems streaming video, music etc.
Have 3 in a cluster around rooms in the centre of the house but positioning does seem to be an issue in terms of signal strength, the roof space idea is a good one - they need to be elevated. I'm getting usable but low signal strength so will be ordering another puck to extend the range and signal strength.
I have 3 in my double brick house, they work great and cover the whole house and yard. (cnr block 780sqm)
I bought the 3pk. My line syncs UP 108,2 Mbit/s Down 44,2 Mbit/s. i can download at 93Mbit/s through the google wifi from anywhere on my property.
Thanks for the replies. I think I know what to do.
Are these actually called pucks or is that title a typo for 'pack'? :)
I've seen it used a few times ref(https://www.theverge.com/2016/10/4/13157680/google-wifi-rout…)
Perhaps I should change it to single router
Oh no, that's completely fine, whatever you wish is not a problem. I was just making sure it wasn't an autocorrect error and was meant to say pack.
Thanks for the info.
Hockey pucks. Go Leafs Go!
Thanks, purchased.
My Orbi setup suddenly got the shits after a forced slight movement. The three pack gets most of my long townhouse. Just need one more to improve one side.
I just purchased Orbi, so you mean you have problem with Orbi, how about this one?
Orbi is great, for 99% of people, I really needed a 3rd unit to extend further back in my long narrow townhouse.
80's single storey house but long, Asus router was at one end of the house and dead spot was at the other. With wifi extender, was getting about 40Mb at the dead spot but with the Google WiFi, getting about 80-85Mb (I'm on non nbn hfc so get about 115/2.5 speed). Highly recommended
Do you do any gaming? If so have you noticed any lag spikes?
you are not NBN, so you mean you are ADSL and get 80-85MB? which ISP you are using?
Sounds like normal cable, Telstra/Optus.
Yeah just normal cable through Telstra
I bought this about 4 weeks ago.. but at the end I returned them in favour for Linksys Velop 3 pack from Harvey Norman as they are on special
https://www.harveynorman.com.au/linksys-velop-3-pack-wifi-me…
check it out.. only downside is firmware is bit quirky… but Linksys(belkin) was promise that they will fix the firmware (announces on CES 18)
Why? Most reviews put the Google WiFi as equal or better performance and are cheaper. The main reason I would consider Google over Linksys is updates, Google was far quicker getting KRACK updates than Linksys was. Netgear was even faster than Linksys.
https://www.pcmag.com/roundup/350795/the-best-wi-fi-mesh-net…
linksys recommended by them… and when I bought the Linksys.. it was Special 478 - 100 (amex deal) = 378.. thats the other reason …
I was using Google Wifi.. but is not what I expected there is a Network settings that I always use.. is not really compatible with them, and most review that I read Velop was Faster than google wifi
I see that review but is outdated is June and July Review.. December review says otherwise after new firmware Update..
@echocae: ahhh I use a router as a switch and have a bunch of devices running off the switch, then it goes to my wifi router. I couldn't go to a mesh setup without the router as a switch due to lack of inputs anyway. What do you need ddns for that is over wifi? I mean I host my own sites but I got static IP and ddns
Either way, wpa3 is coming out soon and I wouldn't want to spend more than $150 on a device that won't support it.
Currently $151 on eBay with 5% code, free delivery
Australian stockMesh WiFi is OK if you just want coverage, but it's a bad thing for speed.
It's a case of physics
Having data travel from AP to AP over the air means less air time from data to go from AP to your device.
A setup where each AP is connected with it's own Ethernet cable to a switch removes the wireless back bone.
I highly recommend Ubiquity gear, in my lounge away from the study where the router is i'm able to sustain an average of ~ 700Mbps, and peak at 850Mbps if my laptop is in just the right spot.
Ultimately the more data that can be kept off the airwaves the better the performance for devices that have no choice but to use the air.
Just physics.So you have tried Google WiFi? Also using WiFi from the room next to your router isn't a good test compared to mesh, using it when you are 5 walls and 50m away from your router is a good test.
ALSO, there are many "waves" using the air, having a MIMO router is worse than mesh in that regard, so not sure what your point is as UniFi just floods out WiFi even worse than Google WiFi. I mean UniFi is designed for hundreds of users….
If it were 1 or 2 points of your in error i'd just shake my head and ignore, but your truly appearing as if you're from another planet.
Both google wifi and Ubiquity AP's use the same protocols and standards, so ignoring the mesh side of things their airtime will be about equal.
The Ubiquity just happens to scale better with more users due to better hardware / firmware optimizations.Now as far as mesh goes it's quite simple, a mesh systems by it's very nature means that data back haul has to travel from AP to AP over the air.
This means that the airtime the backhaul needs is airtime lost to clients… Really quite simple.With a wired AP the data back haul goes over wires, freeing up the RF spectrum for clients.
I don't need to try google WiFi to know this, this is common knowledge, and not just limited to google WiFi.
Even Ubiquity have a mesh system that does the same thing, and has the same drawbacks.You should have left your mouth closed instead of opening it to remove all doubt.
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A few other points.
MIMO is a function of an AP, not a 'router'
MIMO and mesh are not mutually exclusive - the google device IS a 2x2 MIMO device, so in your words if MIMO is a bad thing then the google device is bad.Protocols?Standards?
Also if I just have a SINGLE Google WiFi, it's the same as having a Ubuquity AP. Anyway you can go on about how you think I'm stupid, but you are clearly barking up the wrong tree.
Also you need to factor in the simple fact that your whole house needs to be wired for Ubuquity AP to work lol. Google WiFi doesn't need this… and it achieves very good speeds. I don't think I would be going Google WiFi if I wanted the FASTEST speeds in my home. It is a cheap option that is super simple to use and super simple to expand. Your option is useless unless you want to wire your roof/home/unit.
I mean if you can run APs as your place is wired, of course you could just do that lol - this is not a problem mesh is designed to solve. THIS IS COMMON SENSE.
@OnlinePred:
Totally realize that, it does one thing and does it really well for a low price, and thousands of them are in commercial and prosumer setups world wide because of that.Agree, using a single Google AP is almost the same as having a Ubiquity AP
But remember in your own words the UBNT AP "doesn't even have load balancing"
I don't know what kind of load balancing you're talking about, but if your talking aobut airtime fairness and similar, UBNT does have it, arguably better than just about any other device.Yes, whole house needs to be wired for a proper WiFi install, regardless of vendor.
These good speeds your talking about from Google WiFi are about 1/3 the speed of a setup with dedicated cabling.
This might be acceptable for some, which is fine, but it's a fact that can't be ignored.Yes, my option is useless without wiring every AP.
Mesh is useless if you want reliability and speed.
Horses for courses.
Keep rambling as much as you want, i'm finding it quite easy to cover the points and errors you make.
Just remember you're the one whom replied with a hostile tone.Okay you win all good. Thanks for telling me how a AP is better than a mesh in a fully wired house.
These speeds are as fast as lite model of Ubuquity.
You have to host the server to manage the system don't you for Ubuquity?
Anyway APs are useless unless your house is wired. So Mesh is far better option in that case.
@OnlinePred:
Configuration is via a few methods, the simplest in order to advanced…
1)via an Android or iOS app - easier than any AP setup I've ever done.
2)via Unifi cloud one time setup - different to the norm of browser based config, but just as easy, very shallow learning curve.
3)via Unifi cloud permanently running - only required for the most advanced types of networks, also easy but requires a dedicated machine or Ubiquity cloud key - handy for collecting stats, additional controls, etc..
3 is my setup (Unifi controller running on my NAS) not out of necessity, but rather because i wanted to know the gear better and have a play with it.Mesh speed of anything is not as fast as event he Lite model (including the mesh speed of UBNT's own gear!)
Google WiFi and the Unifi AP Lite are almost identical in radio specs (both 2x2 MIMO)
The Pro is 3x3 (which is almost useless as 3x3 clients are rare atm)People are reporting ~ 300Mb/s on Google in mesh mode (didnt look up competitors mesh speed, but likely similar, including UBNT), vs 700+ in stand alone mode.
Similar speeds to UniFi, no surprise.Running a single cable for an AP is not everyone's cup of tea, but is becoming quite common.
The fact that UBNT gear is PoE powered by default (they have no power socket at all) means that no power points are needed wherever the AP is placed.Not saying Mesh WiFi doesn't have a place for some people, just stating the facts that it's performance in mesh mode severely hinders network throughput, regardless of vendor (google, Ubiquity, Netgear, whatever).
For Joe average 300Mb/s on 100Mb/s NBN is fine.
I have a personal preference of keeping data off the air if i can, thus improving reliability and performance of devices that have to be wireless.
It's also a community minded thing, the less i use the spectrum the less interference neighboring users will see, and in a perfect world everyone would think the same way, but we all must work within our practical limitations.@virtual81: I live in an appartment, so all I care about is a wireless router that has fantastic security update policy and maintenance. I would go Ubuquity if I had a router and a need to add wifi to that router. Otherwise it's often easier/cheaper to just buy a good router and if you need more range chuck on an Ubuquity ap on the other side of the house.
BUT this Google WiFi can act as a router which is fantastically easy and smooth which the Ubuquity doesn't do. So as far as ease of use, it's easier to set up a Google WiFi unit compared to buying and setting up a router and then adding the Ubuquity AP to that.
@virtual81:
You might also consider the Ubiquity "Amplifi"
https://www.amplifi.com/
This is an easy setup consumer type device, but i like the idea it's from a company with wireless in it's blood and also appreciate their brilliant support and the effort they put into firmware.
Only downside is it appears more expensive than their Unifi gear :(
I might sound Pro Ubiquity, but it's only because of excellent experiences with their gear for myself and installs for my clients, vs being burned by other brands with poor gear / support.Your posts suggested that you were under the impression that googles mesh was something special, which it is not, it has the same pro's and cons of most mesh systems.
Doesn't make it crap, it is what it is, same as any other mesh setup, they all have the same limitations.Though the Google device here does appear as if it will meet your needs and will probably be fine.
If your apartment is small and you're not using the mesh side of things then you'll probably even see the full (practical) speed of ~800 Mb/s.
Will depend on the radio in your client(s) too though."googles mesh was something special" -Nope. I am actually considering a range of routers, top of which is the Amplifi HD.
Rarely do I copy files over the network to other devices that are not connected via ethernet. I only use wifi for phones and IOT devices of which they do not need throughput of that high anyway.
What I am after is ability to completely manage most aspects of my router including multiple networks, logging, device management, etc etc which Amplifi is looking really good for. Feature wise it's not as good as other routers of similar price, but I like the look of it haha - although the only thing holding me back is how terrible their support it. Many simple things which haven't been implemented yet makes it hard to recommend as a basic router.
I bought the Google WiFi single puck for my parents and a friend who are not into tech at all, of which it is GREAT value and works perfectly.
@OnlinePred:
If you want something more featured Amplifi might not be ideal, it's aimed at ease of setup rather than configuration.
Unifi might be for you after all and isn't really any more expensive then Amplifi.If you've not already done so take a look at the Ubiquity Forums, the support there is some of the best I've seen.
Users ideas are frequently implemented in firmware, though some this can take a while to filter through, they're usually robust by them time they get there.Another option is Mikrotik, though they seem to be falling by the wayside.
There is however a sample web interface to play with if you'd like to see what they're up to.
Here is one of their higher middle range units, available for ~ AU$160
https://mikrotik.com/product/RB2011UiAS-IN
Might be overkill, but with that you're just about covered for anything.There has never been a better time to get robust well supported commercial grade gear than now.
@virtual81: Yea unfortunately it's looking more and more like I will just get an ASUS router :-( as they are the only ones supporting most of the things I want.
http://www.citytechnology.com.au/store/rb2011uas-2hnd-in-wir…
That one looks interesting haha!
I will probably end up just getting a single Google WiFi puck in the end lol. Out of pure frustration with price and features of the other options.
@OnlinePred:
The Mikrotik unit looks like a hell of a lot of hardware for the money.
That is of course a more advanced model, they have even cheaper ones.
No personal experience with them (yet).
They do have models with built in AP & switch (and even PoE on some!)You can play in a demo web UI at http://demo.mt.lv
username demo, no passwordThe way these guys work is a bit different, they offer hardware and software (firmware) as separate products.
You buy the hardware you want, then add the firmware licence to match your needs.
Though in practice the hardware often comes prelicenced with a more than adequate version of 'Router OS'http://www.citytechnology.com.au/store/mikrotik-routerboard/…
Wow that guy and ubiquity AP looks like a solid deal!
I said puck you, sir!