expired Microsoft Surface Laptop i5/128GB/4GB $879.20 Delivered @ Microsoft eBay

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Great price for a very well-built laptop. It's basically this deal again.

Yes, you can get higher-spec'ed laptops for less. But they won't have the same quality touchscreen - the Surface Laptop's 2256x1504 screen is beautiful. Build quality is excellent, and the warranty should still be two years. Warranty service with Microsoft is excellent too.

This will suit anyone who needs a laptop for simple tasks, e.g. MS Office, browsing the web, watching Netflix/YouTube etc. Yes, 4GB of RAM is sufficient for that.

If you're a power user who opens 23 Chrome tabs and 10 Office docs at the same time, you'll want to get a higher-spec laptop.

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  • +75 votes

    Say no to 4gb ram regardless of price.

    • +1 vote

      Yes and No. My mother wouldn't need 8gb to do her web browsing, watching youtube or checking her emails…..
      However since i am a power user, i would never buy 4gb for myself.

    • +11 votes

      Macbook Air mid 2013 with 4gb RAM here. Numerous chrome tabs open and used to record 24 track music recordings with multiple plugins. I would prefer 16gb RAM, but just letting you know your life wouldn't be over with 4gb.

      • +2 votes

        I've got an early 2014 4 gb RAM Macbook Air and it's (just) doing the job.

      • +1 vote

        I'd like to see this actually proven to be blunt.

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          If you're in Adelaide, I'm happy to show you. I'm not an apple fanboy but I must admit the Air just works very well. Meanwhile, my son runs about 50 tracks on his 4gb Air. Both of us use Reaper. Give it a go doubting Thomas.

      • +3 votes

        You bought your laptop 5 years ago, which is really the minimum life you'd aim for in a laptop. In 2023 will 4GB still be enough?

        • -5 votes

          Yes it will.

          It has been enough for the last 10 plus years so 10 years ago you could have made the same argument and been wrong as today 4gb is still adequate.

          As HDDs have gotten faster the need for even more RAM for an average user could possibly have decreased as the swap file on a SSD is much faster than one on a spindle dive.

          And as HDDs continue to get faster we may not need RAM in 5 to 10 years.

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          @spaceflight: Swap/Page files are still not good even on SSD's.

        • +1 vote

          @spaceflight: Trust me, as someone who runs out of RAM daily on a 4GB laptop with SSD swap file - it is terrible and I cannot recommend someone buys a laptop today with so little RAM.

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          @get-innocuous:

          I never said that having a SSD means that there are no benifits of extra ram.

      • +7 votes

        MacOS uses less RAM than Windows though..

      • +1 vote

        The Great Discarder is your friend.

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      Yes, 4GB ram is the lowest for an ultrabook.

    • +3 votes

      Picked up a base model Surface Pro 3 for $250 a while back. Still would probably say yes even now.

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        With an i3 processor or Atom? I'd bite into a deal like that anyday, if you don't mind sharing.

  • +1 vote

    I was seriously looking at something decently priced but needs to be 8gb ram.

    I agree with mg_k re: 4 gb ram no good, but I guess it'll work for some people.

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      Well you're shooting too high, the 8gb version of this is double the price. If memory is such an issue, you'll be giving up somewhere else. Crap build quality for one, speakers another.

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        maybe not if I go for a desktop.

        I've got a good pair of bluetooth speakers and a 1080p monitor (bought before 4K was the rage).

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      I would certainly say 4gb isn't enough for most users.

      I got one recently and it runs really well.

      But I am purely using it to look pretty in front of clients and am strict to only run chrome and nothing else on it.

      In saying that though, I have had it running netflix, multiple chrome tabs and 3d paint (with pen) and there was no sign of slow down so I'm very impressed with it so far.

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    How much RAM can we jam in this thing? I couldn't use less than 16GB these days.

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    Funny to think the Note 9 has more storage and ram

    • +15 votes

      It's also double the price :)

    • +2 votes

      Funny to think users can live with 16GB total storage on smartphones but they expect atleast 16GB RAM in their 2-in-1 tablet laptop device

      • -5 votes

        Maybe iFruit users who are happy with a battery smaller than standard smartphone batteries from 5 years ago but people with more than one brain cell are not spoken for by you.

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        16gb storage is really not enough on mobile devices where the OS can reserve 8gb. You struggle to install apps without constantly being told you are out of memory. Cannot recommend.

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        I get by with 8GB on my current laptop but it's a slow old celeron so its about right for what it is. 16GB would be a minimum for any decent laptop for me personally. Then again, I haven't had 16GB total storage in a smartphone for several years either :)

    • +2 votes

      Funny how you can’t fathom price into comparing 2 consumer items..

  • +6 votes

    Great value for the price. My wife has the 8gb variant and the build quality is amazing. Takes about 5 seconds to change it to Windows 10 Pro from S version. 4GB is still enough for most people, not sure why everyone insists on 8GB or more.

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      Lol, no. Spending almost $900 on a "deal" with 4gb ram. May as well run IE 6 so you don't have multiple tabs running, remove every application out of start-up, not even think about 3rd party security software and never modify any files beyond text documents. If you do all that you might be okay for 18 months max… or you could spend $900 on a machine that makes this device feel like a Fiat Panda running on three cylinders

      • +5 votes

        It sounds like you've never used a 4GB laptop of this generation before.

        • +3 votes

          Honestly 4gb isn't enough though, every application has become more memory hungry over the years. Even for basic use people will still have youtube, facebook, possibly spotify and a few other tabs open. This WILL eat more than 4GB.

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          @Zondor: it is. I use MBA to do my dev on, no issues here. I have Spotify, over 50 chrome tabs, IDE etc etc.

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          You're right, my current gen machine is 16gb RAM, was originally 8gb but I upped it 😁

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          @Joey Jo Jo: So you are basing your ranting on what?

        • +2 votes

          @FabMan: 4gb ram in a new laptop at this point in time is not a smart investment

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          @Joey Jo Jo: People rant about movies or video games they've never watched or played, and most people think they are idiots. So to make sure you aren't one of those, let me rephrase, what experience do you have using a 4GB PC to continue ranting so much about it?

        • +1 vote

          Everyone knows 8gb would make it twice as fast!

        • +2 votes

          @FabMan: I already advised I have a current gen machine that came with 8gb and I upped it to 16gb because 8gb wasn't cutting it. Do you want me to run that by you again for a third time? 😉

        • +1 vote

          @bloom: maybe not twice as fast but sure as hell would remove a massive bottleneck

        • -2 votes

          @Joey Jo Jo: So you haven't used a 4GB system, so you are just another person not knowing what you are talking about. The world is full of those idiots, try utilising some evidence to support your arguement.

          What was the issue with the 8GB machine you were using? If it's got anything to do with high end activities such as AAA games with Ultra settings, you clearly aren't thinking. This has an Intel HD 620, so high end gaming isn't go to happen with 8GB or even 16GB RAM. So what activities were maxing out your 8GB of RAM?

          Let me provide you with some evidence since you don't know what it looks like:
          4GB gaming vs 16GB gaming
          4GB vs 8Gb vs 16GB
          4GB vs 8GB

          Edit to fix incorrect links

        • +2 votes

          The generation only affects the speed of the RAM not the available memory, not sure what you mean when you refer to that. The more modern the operating system the more ram will be used by it. 4gb is okay for windows 7 but on win10 you will want 8gb+

          Modern operating systems take a lot of RAM and modern browsers use more RAM than old browsers. Modern websites use tons of RAM compared to old ones with a the JavaScript libraries they load in and high res graphics becoming the norm.

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          @FabMan: ah you caught me out, I haven't used 4gb ram only 8gb and even that wasnt enough 🤣🤣

          To use an analogy a 3 cylinder Daihatsu hatch can drive you from Sydney to Melbourne, that's not for me but I understand everybody is different.

        • -2 votes

          @Joey Jo Jo: I'll ask again, so what used up your 8GB of RAM?

          If you don't know what you are talking about, why do you keep talking? I have proof that 4GB allows you to game, not on this Surface Pro because it uses an Intel HD 620.

          I like your vehicle comparison, it proves to me what kind of person you are. I hope you use a PC with an overclocked 8700k, 32GB of RAM with SLI 1080Ti's with otherwise your gaming PC is shit. That's sarcasm at your childish snobbery. I play on a 8700k, Vega 56, 16GB of RAM, it plays games well but I don't look down on those on a budget.

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          @Agret: Have you tried it? I have and it works surprisingly well. If you want a better experience you have to pay for it, but the experience isn't terrible.

          Windows adjusts for the amount of RAM you have, I have an old laptop that still works, Core 2 Duo T7500, 4GB RAM, a 8600m and Windows 10. It still runs well, I slapped in a SSD and it boots very quickly and operates all basic functions, you can still play the old games that I did when it came with Vista. I upgraded my laptop because I needed a lighter machine and faster to do 3D modeling.

        • -1 vote

          @FabMan: standard 2018 home user stuff. I'll admit the 16gb never really gets used beyond a little over half but shit I feel a huge difference. 4gb, wow I just can't even

        • -3 votes

          @Joey Jo Jo: Funny, my wife's PC I gave as a hand me down has Core i5 750, 8GB of RAM, a 7950 3GB and a SSD can play Witcher 3 and Shadow of Mordor on High to Very High settings, its also used nicely for writing documents and photo editing. I was also writing code and 3D modeling nicely this Christmas with Windows 10 installed.

          Its strange you experienced that as my old 2007 laptop with 4GB RAM, Core 2 Duo with a SSD still can be used to do basic actions such as email, use Office and surf the web.

          I'll guess I'll think of you as a 'special' case.

          You do know that Windows 10 adjusts the amount of RAM it uses based on how much is available.

        • +1 vote

          I own a SP4 i5/4GB/128GB - It's admittedly not that bad as a power user, for daily tasks such as web browsing, content consumption, minor content creation, etc it's a perfectly fine machine and the keyboard is actually way nicer than I expected (slightly reminiscent of the ThinkPad keyboards of olde).

          But using Lightroom/Photoshop/OpticsPro (photo editing) it CHUGS. With a small Lightroom collection (~30GB) it will hit RAM cap and start paging to disk (which admittedly isn't all that bad, it's NVMe after all). It's definitely doable, but I prefer editing on my desktop with a comfy m+k and more screen real estate anyway.

          I'd be fine recommending this to a non-power user.

        • +3 votes

          It sounds like you've never used one with 8gb.

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          @FabMan: You do know that Windows 10 can only adjust how much RAM it uses to a point. I've mentioned before that a person can drive a 3 cylinder daihatsu hatch from Sydney to Melbourne but although this is possible I personally would not consider this an option.

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          @OnlinePred: OSX and Windows are two very different beasts.

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          @Zondor: i know, I bootcamp windows 10…..

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          @Joey Jo Jo: Yes and you still don't know what you are talking about. But carry on laughing and looking down at other people, but please don't give your poor advice anymore and try using evidence to support your claims.

        • -1 vote

          @FabMan: mate buying a laptop with 4gb RAM in 2018 is like holding your wedding reception at Maccas. Most people would refuse to do it, some would shake their heads and regret it while a very few would be oblivious and swear by it.

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          @Joey Jo Jo: Your analogies are shit and are condescending, you don't understand evidence, you laugh at others people comments.

          Since the 70s people used computers to do impressive things that dealt only KB's of RAM. I wrote personslly wrote code on an Amstrad CPC 464's in the 80s which used 64KB of RAM. Idustrial Light and Magic did the 3D special effect on The Abyss released in 1989, using 80s computer tech. Pixar created Toy Story on early 90's computers. People have been creating large computer generated billboards for decades but you can't run 2018 Windows Home stuff on a modern computer with 8GB of RAM.

          There are videos and articles on the web showing people playing modern video games and creating 3D models on systems with 4GB of RAM. Yet you say it isn't possible and you laugh at people who say they can.

          I'm a fool for communicating with you, whenever someone doesn't provide evidence and doesn't accept other peoples evidence I should know they are not capable of understanding other peoples points or having an intelligent debate.

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          @Joey Jo Jo: when I bought my 4gb laptop in 2012, people like you said the same thing. Yet here we are. Still relevant, and project like you still saying the same thing

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          Didn't mean to get under your skin mate, just chill. 4gb of ram is passable now but won't be in the short distant future. People supporting your arguments are saying their computers from 6 or so plus years ago with 4gb ram are fine. That's great but buying a machine in 2018 with 4gb of ram will not cut the mustard in 2022 or even 2020. This machine in question doesn't even have designated graphics, so the machine runs on more like 3gb to 3.5gb ram. By all means buy this computer if you're into upgrading your laptop every 12 months. Most up voted comments are those saying 4gb in a new laptop isn't good enough. I'll refrain from using an analogy and will just give it to you straight; you're in the minority with your opinion on this one.

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          @OnlinePred: lol yeah 6 years ago you bought a computer with 4gb of ram… SIX YEARS AGO 🤣🤣

        • +1 vote

          Going with the roadtrip analogy, imagine you've collected a few more passengers as time goes by and they all have their own music tastes and have brought their own CDs. However, there's not enough space in the passenger cabin for all those CDs and everyone is wanting their own turn in having their music played. Now you have to stop the vehicle, unload CDs into the boot, retrieve other CDs from the boot and then resume your journey/listening to music. When you run out of RAM, swapping to disk/SSD is that much slower!

      • +2 votes

        Please name the $900 device.

      • -1 vote

        I Dev on a 2012 MBA with 4 GB ram. So unless you do video/photo editing. Perhaps you don't know what you are talking about?

      • +5 votes

        That's certainly not my experience. From a previous post on this subject…(slightly modified in light of more recent experience):

        I haven't used anything with less than 8GB for a while, but recently acquired and been experimenting with a couple of refurbs with 4GB (a yogabook yb1 and Samsung tab s pro - I was looking for mobile machines that could easily charge via a power bank, as I'm travelling between and located at several different offices). Essentially couldn't say no to the prices, despite the low specs, and they ticked the charge-via-external-battery box for me.

        With the yogabook I initially was very hesitant to use anything other than store apps due to the memory (and processor) limitations -> e.g. Mail instead of outlook; mobile Windows instead of desktop Word. Didn't push it, and it worked fine. Mobile Word is a pain as can't open more than one doc simultaneously though.

        Then I got and now I'm mostly using the TabSpro. With the faster processor (still only core M though), I felt a bit more confident -> today ended up with Edge open with about 5-10 tabs, Desktop Word 2016 with two docs, Outlook 2016 (mail and calendar windows), Win10 Mail, Xodo pdf reader with 5 docs open, and hooked up via USB 3.0 to a displaylink dock driving two external displays -> it was all working well. (I was hesitant about the displaylink dock, as previous experience with a 8gb i5 Surface Pro 3 lead to overheating and throttling - but no problems with the TabSPro).

        Would I run my Steam games on this? Of course not - that's what I do with my (old but surpisingly durable second gen i7 + GTX1050) desktop at home. But for a work platform, it does everything I need it to, no problem.

        I did nervously check task manager a few times on the TabSPro to see what memory usage was, and it was hovering at around 3.7gb at times - but I didn't ever notice any stutters or slow downs - so very much c/w EUG's note on how Windows uses/allocates RAM.

        So yes, for a typical office user, who is mostly using Office and web-based applications, 4gb is actually completely workable.

  • +4 votes

    Not bad for 2008 specs

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    Don't do it. 4GB won't be enough.

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