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Wattage: 1850 Watts
Water Tank Capacity: 2 Litre water tank with water filtration system
Colour/Finish: Black
Pump Pressure: 15 Bar high pressure Italian pump
Type: Manual Coffee Machine
Breville BES870BKS The Barista Espresso $519.20 C&C (or + Delivery) @ The Good Guys eBay
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Taegukgi on 10/10/2018 - 20:28 ebay.com.au (3672 clicks)
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No you need the dual boiler model if you want to do that.
Any machine you can recommend with a dual boiler
… or a microwave.
Or a heat exchanger.
IMO I'd pay $50 more to get a dual boiler for home use, not more.
I have this and while the milk is steaming I have time to prepare the shot and cups. 1 jug of milk is enough for 2 small/regular cups so it's not that of an inconvenience.
Yep, I wish I had the dual boiler, but I'd only pay 100 or so more, nothing else. Then, only for a relatively marginal convenience, it would maybe save 1 minute over 2 coffees.
I got this model for years and it doesn't really worry me without the dual boiler because these domestic models take a lot longer to heat up the milk. I just froth the milk first then do the shots. Makes great coffee as a machine in this price range.
I have the same machine and I don't see the need for dual boiler at all. You might need it if you are making many coffees. In my case it's only 2 in the morning and 2 in the arvo. No need the dual boiler for that.
I can wait 25 seconds to froth my milk.
Plus AU$38.74 delivery cost, OP. Well, unless one is lucky to have stores with stock near them.
Oops, added. Thanks
Delivery fee varies by postcode. $110 to Darwin :-( Title has been edited.
Great machine. Got one a few months back.
aren't we all just waiting for the BES920 to go $700 again?
As a happy dual boiler (BES920) owner I know nothing about this machine, but this is a great price.
For what it's worth, Choice Magazine rated the BES870 as the best machine they tested, even ahead of the BES920 (dual boiler). Hard to believe I know, but there you have it.
As an owner of the BES870 I would have probably rathered a BES920 and a smart grinder. I find frothing milk takes time and the grinder is convenient but not as good as a smart grinder.
get an aldi $25 milk frother. ihavent used my 870's frother in a year
get an aldi $25 milk frother. I haven't used my 870's frother in a year
Dear lord! Not a good advertisement for the 870!
@ash2000: its not bad
but because its not a dual boiler, i dont have time in the mornings to waste and froth milkusing the separate device simultaneously is faster
when i have time, id totally use the 870 over the aldi one for a better result
you cant really tell much of a difference unless youre a coffee snob
I have this machine. It's good. My parents have a sunbeam (cheaper) and breville smart grinder. The sunbeam is a lot better imo, for a similar price.
How does it compare to Sunbeam EM7000?
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-Sunbeam-EM7000-Cafe-Series-E…Same price tag. Sunbeam can extract and steam milk at the same time while Breville has grinder built-in
I have never used the sunbeam but own something very similar to this Breville, it is fantastic. It would be a bargain at $600, so if I needed another one I'd snap this up for $520 immediately.
I have this machine too. It's great.
I’ve had this for over 2 years. I can make a better coffee than most cafes with it. Highly recommended.
How often do you clean it?
About every 4 months as it isn’t used heavily. The machine also tells you when to clean it but I usually don’t leave it that long. The filter is every 3 months but an extra month won’t hurt unless you use it heavily.
Is your pressure gage still working? mine is less than a year old and while it still does very good coffee, the pressure gage doesn't move anymore.
Yep. Machine functions perfectly. You should be able to get that fixed under warranty by Breville. Call them up!
When's this machine going to break the $500 mark? I've had this machine for years now and it's still going strong. Never had to send it for repairs, and don't buy any Breville water filters because I just pour water in from the "going strong" collection of Brita filtered water jugs that I have just like Eneloops lols ;)
Edit: I paid just over $600 for it, and have noticed it's kept it's value for such a long time! $519 is the going price whenever there's been a 20% sale for a while now.
Since when do coffee machines really change?
How often do you clean it?
I have the BES920. I back wash after every use by putting the supplied rubber disk in the portafilter. You run cleanig solution through the group head every 200 shots. Proper descale is once every 12 months for moderate use. I only go through 500g of beans a week. I've had no issues so far. I would assume you would treat the 820 the same.
When you stack with the 10% off gift vouchers :D
I just uploaded this screen grab from the latest Choice Magazine Coffee machine comparison. It might be of interest to those in the market.
Some interesting findings. Noteworthy is that the Sunbeam Torino iis utter rubbish despite its premium price. Breville’s Oracle fairs even worse.
Massive load of bollocks, I’ve got an oracle (older one, not the touch) and it produces fantastic coffee.
Massive load of bollocks
Lol. I suspect they sourced a dud unit, as the Oracle is simply an integrated version of the BES920 (and grinder) and adds a digital milk thermometer.
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Thanks op. Bought one
If you dont like the black, stainless steel is also available at the same price.
Have you got a link for that? Can't seem to find the option to change the colour
;)
I bought the Kmart machine today for shits and giggles and yep, lots of plastic. I don't see it lasting 12 months. That being said, not bad for the price.
So the coffee is actually good from the kmart job? I never trust those infomercial, taking social media by storm bs news stories…
For $90 cant complain.
really nice coffee machine. I mean you cannot get the same quality as in the coffee shop but it is way better using this one than instant coffee :)
It's not as good as the best coffee, but I can do better coffee than the average shop on it. That was after only a few training runs with a barista mate.
Great machine have had mine for 1 year now. No need for a duel boiler unless your serving up 4 coffees.
Is there anywhere you can try coffee from this machine before buying? I’ve had a bad run on cheaper machines and don’t want to come out thinking it’s ok but not good again.
Unlikely. So many variables involved in a good coffee. I have this exact machine (my first manual machine) and was surprised at how even VERY slight adjustments of the fine/coarse control, the grind quantity and and most importantly the tamping pressure affected the taste of the coffee. Even when changing beans I found I had to tweak each of those to get the taste I like! On top of all this I found some beans age better than others eg. I bought a few small bags of very expensive Campos beans and they were fine for a 2-3 days but resulted in sour coffees very quickly after that however the very affordable Bay Beans I bought on a whim via an OzBargain deal taste fantastic when fresh and are consistently good even after sitting in the hopper for a week or three! This experience leads me to believe that even a very cheap machine can make good coffee, you just need to do a lot of experimenting first.
Herein lies one of the main advantages of a boiler based machine, and thats consistancy.
With thermoblock (heat coil) machines, the slower your extraction, the slower the water runs through the thermoblock, and the hotter the water is that passes through the beans. Conversely, a faster extraction, results in cooler water. We're only talking a few degrees either way, but this makes a huge difference in taste.
With a boiler machine, the water is heated to an exact temperature first (usually 93c). Irrespective of the resulting speed of the extraction, the water is always at the same temp, resulting in more consistant results.
This is something I'm never sure about. With your greenie on this deal are you saying this machine has a boiler versus a thermoblock? I investigated a while ago and couldn't find any evidence either way.
@SteveAndBelle: The Breville BES920 is a boiler machine, this one (BES870), is a thermoblock (Breville calls it a Thermocoil, but the same thing).
@ash2000: Interesting though… as per my original reply above, I get great consistency once I've got the grind, quantity & tamper pressure right for the particular bean I'm using. It's only when I change beans I need to faff around with those variables but once I've figured it out the actual extraction side of things is bang on every time.
@SteveAndBelle: It really probably depends on the coffee you use. Some beans do really well at the higher consistent temp, other blends will taste very much the same within a heat range.
@serpserpserp: Yeah, I think you're right too. I don't think I'll ever buy CAMPOS beans for home again… very expensive and very, very limited peak use period. Great for Cafes who go through a kilo every 15mins but not so good for a home machine. They did make amazing tasting coffees for a day or two though :)
@SteveAndBelle: Yeah, I agree, I used to have the sunbeam twin thermoblock, and it would pull some beautiful shots, every bit as good as the dual boiler when everything was calibrated. Even my very first machine (a cheap plastic machine) would pull a perfect shot when the earth, stars, sun and moon were all aligned…. Ie about 2% of the time!
A boiler machine is just a bit more sympathetic to changes in extraction length IMHO.
I bought and returned this model for the Touch model ~ www.breville.com/us/en/products/espresso/bes880.html
The Touch has way better, quicker new gen water heating (no longer long waits to warm or cool) and with awesome ability to dial in the correct grind, milk temp/froth and pour!
Im just saying even at this price and I paid way less again I think the TOUCH is a way way way better coffee maker!
But if $ is a problem (I bought the TOUCH for $1019 from MYERS on a eBay sale recently with discounts) then get the Breville Nespresso Creatista Capsule Coffee Machine!
Yes it POD coffee but 1) no mess 2) amazing range of coffees that taste awesome and you can have a different one every time and 3) no mess
https://www.breville.com/us/en/products/nespresso/bne600.htm…But it also has the SAME water heating system so bleeding quick and also the same PID milk temp/frothier! Its also cheaper…
Yeh not bad, it's only double the price of this one :)
But OP said its way way way better
Thats 3x better for only 2x the price!
Bugger, I'd only buy it once it becomes way way way way way way way better :)
We have this BES870BKS at work and the BES920 Dual Boiler at home. I use both everyday multiple time per day. I have found both to be excellent and produce great coffee. HOWEVER… If I had to choose, hands down it is the Dual Boiler every time. It is noticeably faster at steaming the milk, you can poor your shots simultaneously, and it has other handy functions such as a wake up timer (I have it set for 7am so it's warmed up and ready to go when I wake up in the morning.)
It is also paired with a far superior grinder in the smart grinder pro, that I found to be more consistent and accurate in the grind.
In saying all that, BES870BKS is still a great machine that I use daily, it is far more portable (If wanting to take to the unit on the coast) and produces a great cup for the price, you won't be disappointed. However… The Dual Boiler/smart grinder pro is definitely worth the extra cash… if your prepared to pay for it.Thanks OP, had been waiting on a deal for one of these. Hope the learning curve isn't too steep coming from a pod machine
Was in your exact position 6 months ago and yes as per my comment above it took a while to understand the variables of grind, quantity & tamper pressure but once mastered it's far well worth it. Go grab yourself some cheap beans to play around with because you're going to go through quite a few during the learning phase. I prolly ripped through a good 20 shots before getting my settings just right. I now use inexpensive Bay Beans (2kg Delivered for $50) and get excellent & consistent results day in, day out. In case you're interested, I use 'Grind Size' 5, 'Amount' is set to the middle notch and I only tamper very very gently… just enough to flatten the top. Again, each to their own so everyone will use different settings plus each bean I've tried needs different settings too but it's good to understand that even slight changes to these three variables can make a HUGE difference to the extraction and therefore the taste.
Which Bay Beans are you getting for $50 per 2kg? Just had a look at their website and all seem a fair bit more expensive.
I literally stumbled across it on OzB while doing research on the machine earlier this year. Deal not advertised but seems to be consistently available. Roasted to order and excellent personal customer service from the owner too… oh and great tasting coffee IMO.
Thanks for the tips, appreciated.
Are the Bay Beans fair trade? I couldn't tell from the website. If possible, I'd like to be being beans from a source where I know that the producers are being paid fairly for their product.
Looks like the cheapies are 'Unfair' Trade. You'll need to pay nearly twice as much for the Fair Trade Bay Beans: https://www.baybeans.com.au/mfairtrade.html
Got a price match from JB Hifi and used my $200 gift card from the telstra deal!
Hi may I ask which shop you got the price match from? I checked with one on Elizabeth St Melbourne they won't do it.
And did you get postage deducted as well?Thanks a lot!
Got it price matched at Jb Fountain Gate and pick it up from the store itself. They had 3-4 in stock at that time
Jb hifi is price matching. But on silver. Should i do it ?
OOh wish I had extra capital lying around to snap this up… I'll just put up with my delonghi for now from the last deal on Amazon
Very frustrating to see that some other posters are getting their local JB Hifi to price match, as mine won't! The store is claiming that they don't price match eBay (although I can't see anything on their website saying that). My local Good Guys doesn't have any in stock, so it won't allow me to click and collect, and postage is over $50 :( Might have to wait for the next time this comes on sale!
Drive to another JB Hi-Fi? Might have to be quick though, as the deal expires soon.
Nah, there's only one JB Hifi in the town I live. A family member offered to pick it up from the Good Guys in Brisbane, so it all worked out in the end!
Is this not still running today too? I thought today would be the last day? :(
Has anyone had theirs delivered yet? Mine is just saying 'paid' but nothing about being shipped.
Can you heatup milk same time as coffee extracting ?