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Sounds like an excellent idea.
Jokes aside, I have experience something similar (but worse) last summer.
After living overseas for a couple of years, came back to Oz and went out to a park for picnic.
Went around for 20 mins looking for parking, and finally found someone leaving, where we have waited another few mins for them to leave.
Before we could park, a middle age (wont mention ethnic background as it may/may not be relevant) stood in the car spot with his young kid (around 6yos). Refused to move and said it's his spot. (Again on the mobile to whoever that is coming to park here).
They have also hogged a couple of spots in the same area by double parking and moving the vehicle as the other cars arrive.
I felt so gutted and wonder how much of the "fair" social value remains in modern Australia. What annoyed me even more was that his children (the next gen Oz) has been taught this selfish act.
I had the same thing happen to me many years ago parking at Uni, very hard to find a stop there. It was a anglo-saxon female standing in a spot, so everyone does it.
She is probably a social justice warrior now.
The fairness ship sailed a long time ago mate.
@Grok: That's kinda hilarious - I mean it makes a strange kinda logic:
"I'm going to give white people a bad reputation so people won't associate these behaviours only with other races"
As an Asian, it might be sampling bias because I might hang around places with more Asians in general, but I do notice Asians doing this more than others. To be fair, the few times I've seen it happen they've been doing it to other Asians so… Asian on Asian violence carspace hogging?
Let me guess Chinese or Indian? Chinese are pretty selfish people they love to push in lines etc in China they have some really flawed logic to arguments on pick pockets etc
“It’s not racism if it’s true”
That's actually pretty self-evident logic. Racism isn't "everything that's bad about a race", it's "everything that's bad and untrue due to generalisations about a race."
If something's true? That's just…. well…. truth. No point sticking your head in the sand. First step in solving a problem is admitting there is a problem. Chinese culture isn't perfect. And there are definitely imperfections which are unique and special to Chinese culture. And before you say Culture != Race? Chinese culture is 91.51% also ethnically and racially Chinese. The two are basically completely interchangeable.
I think it's actually a sign of insecurity to completely deny that there are any issues specific to any culture or race. I think if you're secure - and this applies to individual traits as well as racial/ethnic/cultural traits - you should be more open to admitting fault.
It's always the insecure douchebag who'll bristle at any suggestion that he/she might be wrong, or at fault, or have weaknesses. Truly confident people won't.
Chinese are pretty selfish people they love to push in lines etc
I actually kind of disagree with the negs, and I'm Chinese (ethnically) myself, and I'm pretty sure there's no "self-hating Chinese" factor here. It's really just because in China (or Chinese cities) there's just too many people, so there's a cycle of:
In every group, there will be a few assholes.
Being an (profanity) in public will actually get you ahead in a lot of situations, and the larger population also gives a greater degree of anonymity which lessens the potential social repercussions.
If there's enough people and so enough assholes being assholes, (profanity) behaviour will seem commonplace.
People who aren't assholes are forced to imitate this behaviour because otherwise you… never get to the front of the line just because there are too many.
And so you end up with a proportionally small (but fairly large in absolute numbers) group of assholes propagating this behaviour throughout society in general.
In their (our?) defence, it's not an inherently ethnic thing so much as it is an unfortunate negative self-reinforced social phenomenon. Unfortunately this does mean it's a cultural thing.
Tl;dr: You're not actually wrong, unfortunately.
@HighAndDry: In mainland China, unless it changed recently, queues are non-existent. Everybody just pushes.
But that does not mean they would do the above parking nastiness.
e.g. the Germans would never jump a queue, but the British think it very unfair the way they hog the sun-beds all day by "reserving" it with their towel.
If you are new somewhere, you need to abide by the local 'rules' when told.
@bargaino: Serpentza on youtube covers that and explains why they do it too. You are expected to behave that way (rude in AU culture) and if you don't, well you'll be waiting a very very long time.
That story sounds a bit hard to believe, you were indicating to go in for a few minutes and then someone walks into the space. I would have told them off at least lol. I think I've seen one or two people do this ever in Brisbane and the Gold Coast over like fifteen years. No one was trying to get into the park though.
@Cave Fire: Last time someone did this to me, it was a white bloke in a high vis at Westfield Chermside. I just kept driving in, slowly, and he didn't have much choice but to get out of the way.
@owduck: I did the same thing and they threatened to call the cops lol
I got my park in the end. If only I had a bull bar I could drive a little faster
How is this a problem of social values?
Would clamping all 4 tyres mean your car would be impervious to towing and clamping? 🤔
no, it would just scrape the your tyres onto the flatbed…. or possibly all the way to the towing yard if it was one of the two wheel things
I’m surprised this can be legally purchased in our nanny society. They would undoubtedly be a nuisance in the wrong hands.
There are many things you can lawfully buy, that the use of may be unlawful.
e.g. I can lawfully buy a transceiver capable of more than 5 watts, but it is unlawful to use it to transmit on uhf CB frequencies at more than 5 watts.
Without an amateur radio license at least.
To be fair… they're already a nuisance in the "right" hands…
Yeah like clamping your own trailer makes it a total nuisance to steal.
I'll stick with the Nanny society; as there seems to be people out there who need a lesson in how not to be a dick to others.
Unfortunately laws have to be written with the least socially competent person in mind.
I would have been happy if they stopped writing laws around about the magna carta, 800 years ago - combined with the "golden rule" that should be all that is needed. But you got to think how dumb the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that…
No thanks. I prefer freedom and hurt feelings, than coddled feelings and no freedom.
I prefer respect for others and a just society. Just how far does your "illusion" of freedom go? If someone is powerful enough, and connected enough, they can use their "freedom" to molest your children or takeover your house.
If someone is powerful enough, and connected enough, they can use their "freedom" to molest your children or takeover your house.
I think people always forget that the authority of government is ultimately at the end of a gun barrel. Their only real power is that they have a monopoly on the use of force, whether it's via police, court sheriffs, or otherwise.
Do you think anyone is more powerful than the government with its control of law enforcement and the armed forces? If you're worried about the rich and powerful, you should be worried about ceding your freedoms to the government, unless you think politicians are somehow morally unimpeachable and incorruptible.
Also - did you seriously jump from "don't be a dick" (reasonable disagreement) to "rich people might molest your children" (laughable hyperbole)? Are you capable of discussing anything without resorting to emotional arguments? Seriously.
@HighAndDry: You think that rich and/or connected people weren't/aren't still getting away wih molesting children. It is the very definition of a "nanny" state that ran a Royal Commission to investigate what was occuring in places where children were "available" to them. Not just Government run facilities but religious ones and private organisations like the scouts, Puffing Billy etc. I don't think this is emotional laughable hyperbole when it actually happened - at least the laws the "nanny state" Government applies is somewhat of a check. The people have some "control" over the Governments because they are subject to vote. I am much more concerned about the multinationals, who will setup manufacturing in whatever country they can buy favour with. I am also concerned about religious organisations who have used the cover of their "authority" to ensure the victims had no credibility. You want to talk about hyperbole - everytime somebody questions discrimination against others it becomes "hurt feelings" - a line that is particularly popular with the pay per comment shock jocks.
@try2bhelpful: Giving government the power to carry out investigations and apply existing laws is not the definition of a nanny state.
@try2bhelpful: The rich will molest your children at their pleasure, authoritarianism style restrictions on parking clamps or not. All implementing heavy handed rules does is dis-empower people, making them more vulnerable to attack, and at the same time giving cover to bad people for them to hide among and prosper
@outlander: What do you consider to be a "heavy handed" rule? I am willing to give the "clamps" the benefit of the doubt - however, I would be concerned that someone used them to disable a vehicle in a train station car park to enable the owner to be robbed or physically attacked. This is not outside the realms of possibility. Surely, this increases the likelyhood that someone who is vulnerable is going to be subject to attack. Could you please provide me with some examples of these "heavy handed" rules that mean someone is more vulnerable to attack.
I would be concerned that someone used them to disable a vehicle in a train station car park to enable the owner to be robbed or physically attacked. This is not outside the realms of possibility.
I am concerned that someone might use a kitchen knife to stab people. That's also happened, and yet I'd be opposed to more restrictions on Kmart selling kitchen knives.
@HighAndDry: There are restrictions on purchasing knives; dependent on the state you live in. There are also restrictions on being able to carry knives also based on juristiction.
@try2bhelpful: Only on minors, and only if you have absolutely no reason to be carrying one (i.e. you're holding a huge knife in your hand in public.)
Comparing that to the mere ability to buy something? I give up. You literally make up groups of "weak vulnerable people" and use these hypotheticals to justify basically whatever opinion you've decided to hold based on nothing but emotion.
@HighAndDry: If you were an adult and you were carrying around a very large knife, and had no lawful reason to be carrying it, then the cops have the right to stop and search.
https://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/find-legal-answers/criminal-…
I think your concept of "libertarianism" is based purely on selfish emotion; your view is "it works best for me so everyone else should be subject to it". I have given perfectly good examples as to why a lassez faire attitude does not work well for a large number of people in society. These aren't hypothetical "weak vulnerable people", they are people who have actually suffered in the past because of society ignoring what was happening to them. To ignore these issues as based on "nothing but emotion" is to ignore the reality of what has occured. Given your past "coming back from the dead" commenting I have absolutely no doubt you have not "given up" and that you will reply to this comment as well.
I think your concept of "libertarianism" is based purely on selfish emotion; your view is "it works best for me so everyone else should be subject to it".
In past years, this was called the Golden Rule. Amazing that you can twist it around (I hope at least with some self awareness, though I somehow worry there isn't any) to make it sound like a bad thing - "selfish". And now apparently the new Golden Rule is "Coddle everyone".
To ignore these issues as based on "nothing but emotion"
Your words, not mine, are: "there seems to be people out there who need a lesson in how not to be a dick to others."
Tell me how that's anything more than hurt feelings, go on, I'll wait.
@try2bhelpful: If you wanted to do that, there are easier ways to go about it. Just because you can think of a way this can be abused, does not make it a valid concern.
The heavy handed rules, that is where everything in the country needs to be approved by some government body, is why we have council restrictions on what color roof you can have and how high you can build your fence. It stifles creativity and kills personal sense of responsibility, which leads to feelings of uselessness and powerlessness, which leads to some bad things. The organisations set up to police everyone inevitably end up getting infected by the idly corrupt and psychopathically hostile, and then you find yourself in a really bad place, because everyone has been turned into sheep, tended by maniacs, and the maniac-killers, the people who exist to keep the maniacs down, can't do anything because they're so hamstrung by rules and regulations.
Sometimes you do need to regulate things, but you do it sparingly, in cases where there's great risk to life and harmony and marginal utility in the thing. Not to stop unfunny pranks and outlandish scenarios
And fyi, these are useful for locking down trailers and boats and such. Because people do steal those things, here in reality.
@try2bhelpful: suddenly the convo just went like a car swerving into a cliff, ya know, a cliff into deep bottomless ocean
=O
anyway carry on
@try2bhelpful
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why, because I believe it is society's duty to protect the weak and vulnerable or that I think we should carefully and examine both the benefits and hazards of a product/service before we allow people to purchase it. I'm not saying people shouldn't have access to the clamps, my issue is whether there is a very real potential for misuse that will affect others.
I think we should carefully and examine both the benefits and hazards of a product/service before we allow people to purchase it.
Actually precisely this. We live in a liberal democracy - we shouldn't need government to allow us to do anything, everything is allowed by default, and the onus is on government to explain why restrictions on our freedoms are necessary before anything is prohibited.
So in contrast to your view point, the correct one (and that's not my opinion, this is the objectively correct viewpoint according to decades of prevailing thought on political systems) is that we should carefully examine the benefits and hazards of prohibiting something before we allow the government to impose such restrictions on our freedoms.
@HighAndDry: No, because if the default is that you have to indicate why something needs to be prohibited then that lets in a lot of things that are not in the best interests of the consumer - like asbestos products, lead paint toys etc. If the onus is on the importer to prove their products are safe then the worst that happens is the product isn't allowed in the country if they can't prove this. In the other scenario then these products can be all over the place before the danger is identified. It is very hard to put that genie back into the bottle - as the people who imported cane toads have demonstrated very well.
No, because if the default is that you have to indicate why something needs to be prohibited
There's no "if" here - this is the default.
I think you missed that this isn't "my opinion" - this is literally how liberal democracies work. If you want to argue against this, you're arguing against almost quite literally one of the foundational tenets of liberal democracies. The principle has its own Wikipedia page:
Nulla poena sine lege (Latin for "no penalty without a law") is a legal principle, requiring that one cannot be punished for doing something that is not prohibited by law. This principle is accepted and codified in modern democratic states as a basic requirement of the rule of law.[1] It has been described as "one of the most 'widely held value-judgement[s] in the entire history of human thought'".
So yeah, you're not arguing against just me here.
As per the posting, these have plenty of valid / legal uses. Lots of tradies use them, and most of my neighbours who have boats, caravans, etc., use them.
Well considering you can just let the air out of their tyres… I don't think its an issue.
Great. I can clamp the local council parking inspectors vehicles now
Haha.
Park somewhere illegal, wait for them to get out to clamp your car, THEN CLAMP THEIRS.
Leave your car parked illegally with clamped wheels. Inspectors would think the job has already been done and not do it again!
local council parking inspectors have vehicles to clamp? thought they got about on foot.
they don't need their balls though, so maybe a chastity belt would be more appropriate.
In soviet Straya, parking rangers do not clamp cars, you clamp theirs!
would've been better/funnier if you just said:
"in soviet russia, clamp parks you!"
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Presumably anyone in authority has master keys to these sort of toys.
I doubt it, just as they wouldn't have master keys to all makes of padlocks.
This isn't a padlock, it is wheel clamp; which can be a lot more of a nuisance. If they have an issue with a padlock they probably just get an angle grinder, etc and cut it off. Then again, maybe they can just do similar with these things.
I suppose they can.
Meanwhile, responsible users can probably sleep a little better knowing that their move-able assets are secure (to some extent).
And don't underestimate the nuisance value of a padlock in the wrong hands.
@GG57: I agree with your point about the padlock - it does depend on how difficult it is to get the wheel clamp off. I, presume, andy thief worth his salt will be able to disable one of these things pretty quickly. There are videos on You Tube and I would hazard a guess that a cheapie from Aldi is not going to be the most robust.
This isn't a padlock, it is wheel clamp
Add a padlock to this. Done?
@try2bhelpful: Now we're talking!
Seriously though, something like this is only useful for securing trailers and stuff, right? I've never had a situation where I thought - damn I wish I had a wheel clamp.
@HighAndDry: I agree with that. Then again we did get our Camira stolen from opposite a police station. Not sure what was funnier the fact that it was Camira or that it was opposite the police station. We had comprehensive insurance so we weren't that fazed.
These are the same kind of cheap lock core that is included in a padlock you would buy from a local hardware store.. They don't use a standard key.
For what it's worth, they're not particularly good cores and they're easily pickable.
Quick installation…. Steel disc to prevent wheel nut tampering… 60 Day Satisfaction Guarantee….
nobody wants their nuts tampered with.
Depends….
You think the 60 day Satisfaction Guarantee will kick in.
Your probably joking, but this could've saved me from getting my wheel jacked a few months ago
lol omg how annoying will these be if I clamp a random car in the shopping mall carpark???
Worse if you quickly run up and clamp a car stopped at a red light.
How long does it take to clamp a tyre?
On a red light? Too long. Potentially a personal health hazard ;)
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Thanks, OP - my neighbour's guests keeps parking on my lawn, even if I ask him not to; and then claiming he has no idea who's doing it.
If you use this on them please take video or photos of the result and post on the forums for the amusement of the rest of us
Counterpoint - they know where you live…..
Counter counterpoint, they've been warned
I'm just thinking of the fun apartment owners could have when some stranger parks in their car park.
Maybe also have a sign at your car park saying that unapproved cars will be clamped by owner as well. I would have loved this 15 years ago.
My alternative back then was to have message printed on an A4 sized sticker telling them to move their car. The kicker was that the sticker was of really poor quality and so once you put it on the car window (passenger side of course), when you went to peal it off, it would separate and leave a white sticky paper fibre on the window still. Only a good scrubbing would get rid of it.
Those were the days.
[Edit: Now waiting for the legal eagles to comment about clamping strangers cars…]
If someone parks in your spot, I thought its your best interest to have that motor vehicle as moved soon as possible. Not making it get stuck there for indefinite amount of time
Exactly, lots of posts here about clamping someone else's car, but you would then need to be prepared to deal with the car (and the owner), particularly if it is on your property.
And even if you wanted to do that type of thing, just let a tyre down and save yourself $40.
or maybe key their car?
@Homr: @Homr: Unfortunately illegal and likely to escalate the situation. If they are in e.g. your strata car space, clamping their car and writing to the strata might be the least risky method.
It's also in your best interest to make sure they don't do it again. This can often be effected by punishing the offender.
Also, unless they come out and move their car while you're still trying to park yours spot, there's no real advantage to them moving it early. If my spot is taken and I've had to park on the street, I won't bother making a special trip just to move the car back to it's rightful spot, I'll just do it the next day when I come home from work.
$40 for a decent April Fools joke
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Auto-Car-Vehicle-Wheel-Lock-Clam…
Not the same model, but there are considerable numbers of similarly priced wheel clamps on ebay…
That one is located in China however.
That one also looks harder to use than the ALDI model, and does not come with a 60 day satisfaction guarantee.
Might as well approach the guy you want to use this and just ask: "You wanna fight?"
Will end the same either way, at least it will save you $40.
It looks pretty solid. I'd back the guy with the wheel clamp vs a barehanded guy.
Only fits up to 15" wheel. That's a bit restrictive.
Yeah that cancels out most of the fun people want to have with these.
Thanks will buy one and hang it right outside my garage door. Maybe just weld it
How long does it take to clamp? I have a few people who would love one of these.