expired Breville BES920BSS The Dual Boiler Espresso Machine $711 + Delivery or Free C&C @ The Good Guys eBay

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NEW Breville BES920BSS The Dual Boiler Espresso Machine
Height (mm): 377
Additional Features: PID Control, Pre-infusion, Integrated and Removable 58mm Tamper, Programmable Cup Sizes, Hot Water Option, Adjustable Temperature Control, Clock, Auto Start Option
Colour/Finish: Brushed Stainless Steel
Width (mm): 405
Depth (mm): 373
Milk Frother: Steam Wand
Type: Manual Coffee Machine
Pump Pressure: 15 Bar Pump
Water Tank Capacity: 2.5L
Manufacturer's Warranty: 2 Years
Auto shut off: After 20 Minutes
What's In The Box: Coffee Machine (with Integrated Tamper), Stainless Steel Frothing Jug, Single wall filter baskets (1 & 2 cup), Dual wall filter baskets (1 & 2 cup), Water hardness test strip, Allen key, Cleaning disc, Y. Cleaning, Razor precision dosing tool
Includes Grinder: No
Heating System: Dual Boiler

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  • +1 vote

    Legend, I was just posting this, cheapest around it seems, great price.

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      lol sorry, yeah cheapest atm but been cheaper in past, was hoping bing lee eBay would match TGG & then + 20% off but hasn't happen

  • +8 votes

    Mine is about 18 months old, approx. 2 coffees a day. Still working like a charm. The key is getting fresh roasted beans, which means pass on supermarket beans.

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      If you generally go to your favourite coffee boutique shop (see: not 7/11) and ask if you can buy beans you'll generally be met with excitement that you have selected their beans to use at home too. Just expect to pay through the nose for it, thankfully I don't drink a hell of alot of proper espresso and fall back on the nespresso out of pure laziness.

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        Or go direct to the supplier!

        Sydney/manly area - seven miles coffee (was belaroma)
        They have an online shop and are nationally leading in coffee.

        • +1 vote

          I drink their black mountain coffee. Love it. Nice and strong but I can’t get it to taste like the cafes that have it around here. Prices vary too. I think we pay $34 or $36 for 1kg but I picked up a bag for $45 the other day from a different place cause I was desperate. Do they sell it in Sydney?

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            @johnnytran: They are based and roast in manly Vale. You can buy it online at their shop.

            There are so many factors that change the taste( compactness of grounds - water quality - length of time - temperature) etc.
            Fiddle around with your settings!

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        $12 for 250g is ok for me. I only use about 15g a coffee at the moment so I get a number of coffees done for what 3 coffees would cost at the cafe. Plus the place I buy mine from actually roasts them on site, so I can get 1 day old roasted beans which makes a massive difference.

    • +2 votes

      I've pulled shots on plenty of locally roasted beans and I have to say, on a high turnaround store, Aldi can deliver some pretty fresh beans. Nothing stale about them, and very decent in the taste department.

      Not saying it replaces it, but it certainly isn't a bad substitute.

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        Fair enough, ive personally never tried them but ive seen a lot of people say they think the Aldi beans are great. Ill have to give them ago, however I really do like knowing exactly when my beans have been roasted. I assume the Aldi beans have a best before rather than a roast date?

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          They’re roasted in Melbourne, but being roasted for Aldi you’ll never find out who. And yeah no roasted on date. They’re excellent beans relative to their price.

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          Yeah no roasted date unfortunately, however most people on Coffee Snobs have estimated the best before is about 15 months from roasted.

          I agree with that based on the fresh batches I've gotten from Aldi.

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      Those are amateur numbers. My BES900 pulled over 8000 shots before I sold it in working condition. Best machine at this price point if you look after it.

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      wish you got the one with the grinder built in?

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        They're ok but usually grinders aren't as good as a standalone. They also get the beans quite warm in the hopper, which isn't ideal.

        That said, they have a much smaller footprint, so if you've limited bench space they're a good option.

  • +4 votes

    Smart grinder

    Pablo & Rusty's 50% off Trailblazer
    21g grounds
    Coffee liquid starts to pour at 10-11 seconds, I collect between 14 until about 28 seconds.
    Top up with milk.

    I estimate approx 22coffees including wastage per 500g.

    It's costing around 75c including milk for a very nice coffee at home.

    Cut back on cafe coffees during the week at $4each.

  • +1 vote

    We have had our's for 2.5 years now, 3 coffees a day. Great machine, we paid $1078 with grinder.

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      Just curious. Typically how long do they usually last before the coffee machine dies?

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        I don't know but so far machine and grinder has cost us $8.40 a week and makes 3 cups a day, more with visitors so, 40c or less a coffee so far.

      • +3 votes

        Reliability is not the strongest side of Breville Dual Boiler.
        If you want machine which lasts 5+ years look for simpler machines or more expensive machines.

        I spend a lot of time reading through coffee forums. A lot of people are saying it will last 2-3 years. There are cases where it lasted 5+ years. But still too many people are saying 2-3 years. So the chance of failure within in 3 years is high.

        Also keep in my few other (random) facts: :)
        - Everything fails. Your $5k+ Italian machine might fail outside the warranty. And repair would cost more than brand new Breville Dual Boiler.
        - Extended warranty companies stopped selling extended warranty for espresso machines some time ago.
        - Breville keep changing small thing in the machine itself so new variants might be more reliable.
        - Breville Dual Boiler makes awesome coffee. It is hard to find comparable machine for this price - it is literally best bang for the buck.
        - If $700 sounds like a lot you probably should not get into this hobby at all. :) Because the next shocking fact might be you need fresh coffee which is $40+ per kilo every few weeks. And a decent grinder which might cost another $500+.

        Yes, coffee shops are charging $4+ per cup. But they invested into $10k+ machine, $5k+ grinder and fresh coffee every week.
        Quality wise (taste wise) you can beat them with Breville Dual Boiler. In fact once you start making reasonably good coffee you will realise how bad most coffee shops are. :)

        TL;DR
        This is probably the best bang for the buck in espresso machines.
        But don't expect it to be the last $700 you spend in coffee.
        And don't expect it to last 5+ years.

        • +1 vote

          jesus christ after 3 years you really should just service it

        • +4 votes

          If you clean it properly every day and a deeper clean per fortnight there isn’t any reason why this machine can’t last 5+ years, outside of early failure (eg first year, which is what warranty and consumer guarantee is for). They’re a solid machine, and friends who have cared for their early models still have them on their bench.

          As an owner of a $4500 espresso machine, I genuinely expect it to last 20 years. 95% of the parts are standard espresso machine parts and a yearly service is about $170 including changing of consumables (gaskets, screens, etc) so a minor issue on top of that might make a service/repair $200. Italian/Spanish/German made espresso machines are relatively simple machines, even the double boilers, and if you have the know-how to, say, work on your car or maintenance on your house, then you can skip the store service and maintain yourself for the cost of the gaskets.

          Repairing a breville or any other department store brand costs much more because outside of pumps (Ulka), o-rings and hosing and maaaybe solenoids if you’re lucky, much of the machine is proprietary parts, including head gasket. After-sales parts is absolutely part of the business model. Add to that the fact authorised service centres need to be generalists to maintain a bucketload of different appliances (but mostly electronic) and you’ve got extended labour costs, or opting to replace a whole range of unnecessary stuff rather than diagnosing the issue. A basic regular service should be carried out by the consumer and you should be right for a while without needing to visit a service centre.

          Source: work for an espresso gear business

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            @readeral: I've recently boughtt a Breville dual boiler, and am wondering about this deep clean per fortnight you speak off. Do you have a link or info on how to do this deep cleaning once per fortnight?

            Thanks!

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            @readeral: Speaking of Breville…
            Regular backlash clean takes care of solenoid valve. Which is only one of many things to failure.

            Most commons failures in Breville are pump (low pressure preinfuson stresses pump too much), o-rings which can lead to electronics failure because of hot water or steam getting released into the body of the machine.

            Source: I do daily cleaning cycle without chemicals and every 200 shots the cleaning cycle with cleaning powder. Solenoid valve never failed. But I am on my 3rd Breville Dual Boiler. :)

            Totally agree with simplicity of $4k+ machines vs Breville - Breville got so much more things to fail.

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          Most Coffee shops get their machines free from the suppliers

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      Which grinder do you use?
      Is this machine easy for maintenance?

  • +3 votes

    Had ours for quite a few years now. Bought one when they first came onto the market. Will need new O-rings in the boilers after a couple of years as it will start to leak steam and water. Is just normal maintenance for a coffee machine. Easy and cheap to replace. Although I think I read on one of the coffee forums that the design in the boilers have changed a little in the past year or so meaning that leaks should have a bit less of a chance of happening.

    We are really happy with ours. Keeps on going strong. Have also had to replace a solenoid. But again, nothing different to what any other quality manual coffee may have to get done. Plenty of info on the coffee forums about the machine and heaps of help in getting all the settings right and getting a good quality coffee out of the machine.

  • +1 vote

    Depending on where you're located, it might be better to buy this one with PONG20 as shipping is much cheaper https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Breville-BES920-the-Dual-Boi...

  • +4 votes

    Had our machine for about 4 years. As mentioned above after 3 years or so you'll need to replace the o-rings on the boilers, but it's a very quick and easy job. Absolute bargain at this price.

    • +1 vote

      Surprised you haven't needed more doing..

      My milage was 5 years in life span before throwing out, in repair shop 6 times.

      Parts are extremely expensive for the low quality but not as expensive as delonghi.
      Many internal components are plastic when should be brass.

      • +1 vote

        It's a mass produced dual boiler machine so every now and then someone's machine is going to exhibit issues. It's no different with other brands or products. I'm active on the coffee snobs forum too so I've seen what people complain about, and 90% of the time new orings would fix their issues.

        The boilers are stainless steel which is impressive when some of the competition use aluminum. It's obviously not as heavy duty as italian machines but it's less than half the price when it's at full price, so at $700 - $800 it's an absolute steal.

      • +1 vote

        I’ve had mine for 6-7 years and working without skipping a beat.
        Brilliant machine. And never changed any o rings.

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    Anyone done the descale? Reading coffee forums heaps of people have stuffed up their boilers. They reckon don't bother given water here isn't that hard..

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      I have this machine and only descaled once. It did help the machine though.

      It speeds up the process of heating up the water.

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      It doesn't screw it up at all. It is the people that don't follow the manual, it says not to descale when warm and wait 1.5hours after it has been on to descale it. People that haven't done that screw it up, my friend did lol. I've descaled mine twice in 1.5 years following the manual and had no issues. People these days never read properly.

    • +1 vote

      Original Dual Boiler BES900 didn't have descale function at all.
      Initial revisions of BES920 had some software issues (firmware issues) in descaling procedure.
      A lot of people were caught in the infinite loop where they can't finish descaling cycle. I expect it to be fixed in the latest builds.
      But still be extremely careful and follow the instructions.

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      descaled mine today. I probably don't do it often enough…but it's easy enough if you read the manual - http://www.brevilleusasupport.com/bes920xl/care-and-use/care...

  • +2 votes

    Common things to go wrong;

    OPV valve
    O rings
    Leaking boilers
    Condensation getting into screen
    Pressure gauge not working

    Overall a cheap machine for $700. Once something breaks, it all starts to break! Wouldn't pay more due to extremely cheap internal components.

    Average cost of repair through a Breville authorised service centre is around $380 per item.

    So once one thing goes outside of warranty its a balancing act of weather it's worth to repair or replace. I took out an extended warranty for around $90.

    Step up would be any Italian machine which will easily last 20 years. ($2700+)

    • +1 vote

      Agreed! Had mine for 3yrs now, and it would have saved me approx. $3375 of buying barista coffee over that time, being my first machine…but now do 2 coffees a day, sometimes 3 :P. 6mths ago it leaked badly from the group head, losing pressure. Replaced grommit and still leaked. Was lucky using a rubber band as a spacer fixed that. Waiting for next problem, and if it requires to go into service center, I’ll drop kick it into the dumpster here. (Well may give it away for parts at least ;)

    • +12 votes

      I've had mine for about 3 years, and have had the pump replaced once under warranty.

      I've pulled 2090 shots in that time.

      FUN FACT:

      You can check the shot counter on the BES920

      1. Whilst off, press and hold the one and two shot buttons for 4 seconds.
      2. Whilst still holding, press the power button. Release all buttons.
      3. You'll see 00:00. press the menu button.
      4. Add a zero to the end of the displayed number to give you your shot count.
    • +2 votes

      Step up would be any Italian machine which will easily last 20 years. ($2700+)

      Unfortunately they still need to be well maintained or you can end up with problems in that 3-5 year mark. But those machines do have good warranty/support.

      • +1 vote

        I had a rocket Giotto for 9 years and sold it for $1700. So it cost me $500. There are some great Italian machines out there and they hold their value very well and make great coffee. Well worth looking into if you have the budget.

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          Sounds best economy over long term. Where as 2 of these over the same time period, and worth very little at the end of their life. $1400. Might rid of this machine now, while it still works and put it towards a more premier machine.

  • +1 vote

    So far machine/grinder has cost us 40c or less a cup over 2.5 years at 3 plus coffees a day, if ours broke i would just buy the oracle touch off Jerry, 5 years interest free :)

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    Post says new, but people saying they've had for 3 or 4 years etc. Is this a 2019 model? Any reviews on it compared to the old one?

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      New as in not used

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        Well I was confused given that the post immediately then said this:

        Additional Features: PID Control, Pre-infusion, Integrated and Removable 58mm Tamper, Programmable Cup Sizes, Hot Water Option, Adjustable Temperature Control, Clock, Auto Start Option

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      This is a brand new (unused machine).
      This is reasonably old model. So there are people who had these machines for a number of years.

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      It's not the kind of appliance which needs a new design/model each year. According to the breville site (http://www.brevilleusasupport.com/bes920xl/care-and-use/care...) there's been at least versions of the firmware, and maybe some of the components as well, but I wouldn't expect anything major.

      Edit: the deal is to a model with a slightly different number. Not sure what the difference is - it's not listed on the brevile USA site: http://www.brevilleusasupport.com/espresso/

      • +1 vote

        I believe BES920XL in USA is just BES920 in Australia.
        So yes, same model.
        But descaling procedure can be slightly different depends on firmware version.

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          Yeah, I thought it may have been something like that…but edited my comment just in case I was leading someone up the garden path.

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    This is well worth it. I had one for 1.5 yrs. The group handle collar seal has needed replacement twice. Seems to be a fairly common thing. The second time, TGG actually replaced it and now I have a brand new one. Exceptional customer service too.

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    Since we are talking coffee & this one doesn’t come with a grinder, can anyone recommend a good automatic grinder? I currently use a Hario Skerton ceramic grinder but the manual process is getting old…

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    This or Rancilio Silvia v3?

    • +1 vote

      I would recommend the Silvia, I had it for about seven years, considered a great true entry level machine by many in the industry.

      Also held its value well for me, sold it for about $200 less than my original purchase price.

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        Is it difficult for maintenance? How does it compare to the Flair in terms of espresso quality?
        Currently using the Flair with Lido E and the bellman, but want something more all-in-one.

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    Does anyone know how to fix the steam. I did descale process few weeks ago. And after that the steam function stopped working with only thrre beep error. Thanks

  • +1 vote

    An extra $400 over the 840 model for just an extra boiler? I don't see the value here.

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      As far as I can understand BES920 got over BES840
      - simultaneous steam and brew or zero wait time between them
      - more powerful steam
      - adjustable PID temperature
      - standard commercial 58mm basket size

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    Hi guys, coming from the non grinder 'infuser' which has lasted me over 4 years, can anyone give me a reason to get this over the new thermojet 878bss? I have a rocky grinder but limited bench space for a bigger machine + grinder.

    But at this price I can make the space if the shots it pulls would be better. Can anyone confirm?
    How long is the heatup time? It's never mentioned anywhere online.

    Edit: the common 58mm basket and mods such as the naked portafilter sound fun too!

    Cheers

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      But at this price I can make the space if the shots it pulls would be better.

      A boiler based machine (BES920) will produce more consistent results than a thermoblock (or whatever Breville call it). Why? Because a thermoblock works by pumping water through a heatsink to reach temperature. A slow extraction will mean the water moves more slowly, and thus is a few degrees celsius hotter, the inverse is the case with a faster extraction. A boiler machine heats the water to an exact temperature first then pumps the water through, thus the same temp every time!

      Heat up time ~2 minutes.

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    Anyone able to find a comparison review of this machine vs the breville Oracle?

  • +2 votes

    Thanks. Been waiting for it to go down to $700ish for months.

    Any good grinder deals? (Not the app)

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