Looks like the price of DDR4 ram is dropping hard.
Specs:
DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600)
Timing 16-18-18-38
CAS Latency 16
Voltage 1.35V
G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2x 8GB) DDR4 3200 $106.70 (GST Incl.) Delivered @ Newegg
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Ah yes, didn't notice it was separate. Still decent price, I got 16GB Corsair for $112 on Amazon recently.
blacc suits me well.
Glad I sold mine a couple weeks ago, prices just diving.
Who sells 2nd hand ram?
Gumtree will tell you who ;)
Is it worth getting up to 32gb? Already have a set of 16gb atm
This is my current thought process, I get my 16GB on Thursday …
you'll be flat out looking for something that can use 32GB.
been there, wouldn't go there again
I use it for virtual machines.
Chrome
I got 16gb originally. Wish I had 32 most days.
for 99% of home users, no.
Friend, if you have to ask you're usually fine with 16GB.
Without knowing your specific use case.. no, not really
maybe, with primocache you could dedicate 8-16Gb to a ramcache then it would be like windows is running from a ramdisk.
This is what has me considering it. Have a 256GB second level cache, which eats a fair chunk of RAM to manage. Would be good to have some more RAM to throw at Level 1 cache as well.
I have a seperate OS partition to my games partition and I find I only need 1.9Gb L1 cache to have a 80%+ hitrate on my OS partition. I don't use L1 cache on my games partition because it just reads too much data to be useful, nut if I had 32Gb ram that would change quiet a bit.
Anyone know what gskill RMA experience is like?
Friend, if you're going directly through them it leans on the slower side but not as bad as geil. Usually it's done through the supplier. No idea who neweggs supplier is.
Good for a Ryzen 3600 or 3700x set up? Still haven't made up my mind yet, whether to go with 3600 or 3700x, mostly for gaming. The gaming performance difference between 3600 and 3700x seems very marginal, but will new games utilise multi cores better than the current ones?
Is C15 with the extra $$ and wait (for a good deal to come up)
Go the 3600 bro
Go the 3600 and in 2 years time upgrade to the 4600 if you need it. for another $300.. my guess is that the Ryzen 4600 will be better for games then the Ryzen 3700X
Ryzen 4000 series comes out next year
Moore's law will be peak at 2020 isnt it ? I wonder what will become of CPU after that
@frewer: Possible, although there have been sufficient advancements in "plasma lithography utilizing micro focusing"* to allow a few additional stages in the micro era before making things bigger will be the only way forward again.
*(fantastically this theorem was discovered by cutting a grape almost all the way in half and putting it in a microwave).
@frewer: Though true, the person that makes the dies for AMD has an already fully function 5nm chip…. So I'm pretty sure AMD is releasing a 7nm+ and then after that it will be this 5nm chip. From there we might end up going back to the good ole days of dual CPU motherboards for those that really want it haha. Imagine dual socketing like 32 core 64 thread processors that can handle 512gb of ddr5 ram using the latest infinity fabric.
Ryzen 3600 for gaming. Save the money on better graphics card. Multi cores/threaded coding is harder and you cannot evenly fan out tasks to many cores most the time as the player (i.e. you) are concentrating mainly on one main task. You still need a powerful core to follow through with that.
Also, it is more important to have a stable game with impressive graphics, story and game play, rather than spending time on core optimisation. There is no game award for best CPU utilisation. Maxing out the GPU is far more important. That's why all tweaking options in games are on graphics.
CL12 DDR4-3200 does not top gaming benchmarks. Unless you have or plan to have 2080, 2080 Super or 2080 Ti, RAM tweaking is waste of time. If you must tweak things other than GPU, overclock your CPU is a better option. If we do a blind test (without showing you the fps count), you won't be able to tell between DDR4-2400 and DDR4-3600.
I am leaning towards this too, except I am currently using an Xeon E3 1230v3, so 3600 isn't that much of an upgrade over it compared to 3700x, yet the extra money I will need to spend on 3700x won't show much return in gaming performance, torn…
Kinda answering your own question there bro lol… Each is an incremental upgrade over the next. Like posts say spend the money on a better gpu for gaming, as you pointed out its not enough to justify the top CPU unless it's a steal… If it were me I'd wait till the upgrade is a large jump to my current setup before I upgrade… If your current rig is not struggling with ur xeon proc just stick with it a while longer.
You assessment is based on looking at the numbers (cores, threads). But, if you actually look at just single core and quad core performance, 3600 and 3700X are neck and neck. To be honest, 3700X is not a good buy - 2 extra cores for $200 more.
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-E3-1230-v3-…
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-E3-1230-v3-…The biggest question is actually whether you can max out 8 cores 16 threads (no, running benchmark software doesn't count). 3700X for me is to do work mostly. My programs take minutes to finish compile and all the automated tests and build. Even with 3700X, I still take tea breaks. And, will be spending a fair amount of time using linux. Unless you are currently waiting for CPU to finish doing tasks on a regular basis, you are just buying a new toy. All these charts and reviews are very enticing.
GPU matters the most in gaming and if you don't have a high refresh rate gaming monitor (120-140+ fps, preferably 1440p or better), does it make sense? It will probably end up being a stop gap, feel good purchase that you've got one component of the latest recommended gaming setup - the CPU (because it is the cheapest).
@netsurfer: so if I want to utilise my 1440p 144Hz monitor well for gaming, you would recommend getting 3700x over 3600?
@t0087669: Watch this if you want, it is a bit long from Gamer Nexus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GjSiLbCtHUSteve recommended i7-9700KF/i7-9700K for gaming. I will be flamed for this I reckon. Honestly, if you can afford 1440p 144Hz gaming, i7-9700KF/K is still the best option. 3700X really needs to be in situations where hypertreading / SMT is effective (remember HT/SMT is not as good as a real core). As Steve pointed out, if you really want high core, high thread count work, then 3900X is the way to go.
Value for money isn't that important for proper/true high-end gaming. I suggest getting 3700X only if you can really also benefit from SMT. However, people in your price bracket, just get the one you are happy with. I saw a gamer at a store buying computer parts - $3000+ spent (obviously having a rich dad helps). You guys are gaming pros.
3600+better gpu/ssd/ram > 3700x with worse gpu/ram/ssd.
I tried this kit with a 2700X and X470-F board, and could only get to 2933@C16 without freezing/bsod.
I'd imagine it would probably fair better with the 3000 series, though the Ballistix 3000 C15 sticks are supposedly more of a sure thing.
I hope so. I got 2 x 16 GB Ballistix 3000 C15 for $223 from Amazon, with another $9 from shopback :)
neat, that's better than newegg. got a link to that one, or are they gone now?
It's still there, but only from 3rd party sellers and triple the price!
https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B07MNJGP3G/
I guess I got lucky
https://au.camelcamelcamel.com/Ballistix-Sport-PC4-19200-288…
I am using G Skill 3000 with my 2700x, but in bios, it shows 2133 MHz
https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr…Didnt try anything else as desktop was not running stable after that.
2133 - seems like the board decided to go back to default settings.
One thing I found is that boards may not detect XMP 100% right. The one I have defaults voltage to 1.2V, which is too low for the RAM (the XMP has it set to 1.35V, but for some reason, M/B thinks it is 1.2V).@netsurfer: Yes, that might be the issue. I tried playing with it at Bios level (Asus x470 Motherboard), but system was not stable.
@EnALup: That's also what I found with my MSI board. Even what's shown on the BIOS can be incorrect. BIOS shows DDR4-3200, but CPUz shows actually RAM clock speed is operating at DDR4-2400. Had to pull the RAM modules out, and re-setup the whole thing.
It's still a bit of RAM lottery with AMD Ryzen setup, even for Ryzen 3xxx series. X570 boards are apparently better, but I wouldn't assume it solves all the problems. B-die generally are safer, but certain brand's B-die memory based modules are known to not work that well with my M/B… That brand starts with G…
For gaming RAM faster than 2133 makes only a small difference.
You should only be paying a premium for high speed RAM AFTER you have bought the fastest video card, and then CPU, because that makes far more difference than high speed RAM.
Source?
Most review sites and youTube review videos. Gaming reviews generally focus on GPU and CPU first. RAM speed is generally the last thing they test / show.
System RAM (DDR4) is no substitute of video RAM (GDDR6). If your graphics card is slow with slower VRAM, having faster RAM will not help much.
The guys saying DDR4 prices are diving, is this due to DDR5 just getting released?
I think it's more due to DDR4 3600Mhz being the sweet spot for Ryzen 2, seems only 3200mhz and below have dropped in sales price.
Ah right. I got a new PC with 7th gen Intel 2 years ago and its still got 2400mhz. This drop will be good for me then :D
No it's over supply of DDR4 RAM. RAM goes in cycles because no one can predict the market and it costs billions to add more production capacity.
Prices are predicted to drop by a further 40% in 2019 \o/
Isn't it meant to go up due to some conflict between Japan and Korea?
too many deals on rams, don't know when / which to bite
gskill
crucial
corsair3000 / 3200 / 3600
c15 16 19
I remember reading that there are three memory chip manufacturers in the world which produce 90% of all RAM, the rest are mostly rebranded.
Looking at it this way, you may be able to avoid paying a 'brand premium' on identical RAM chips in different packaging (although things like heat dissipation can still vary by brand on identical chips).
The actual producers (by size) are:
1. Samsung
2. Micron
3. HynixThe brands of RAM you listed do not actually make their own chips.
Eg. Crucial RAM is made by Micron:
https://www.crucial.com/usa/en/store-truth-about-memory-manu…there are three memory chip manufacturers in the world which produce 90% of all RAM, the rest are mostly rebranded.
Correct but the way it works is the memory chip makers sell chips to a brand such as Corsair.
Corsair then bins the chips for speed and timings and designed the PCB.
Can this be oced to 3600mhz cl16 for a amd 3700x?
Probably not, but it depends on what memory chips you get.
This is very likely Hynix M-Die which won't go past 3400MHz.
Probably not MFR, as AFR and now CJR have succeeded that.
I've seen more and more CJR in kits rated for 3200 16-18-18.
AFR won't do 3600C16 either at safe voltages, they will probably max out at 3466C16.
CJR will do 3600C16 under 1.4V but the other primary timings will be pretty poor, like 3600 16-19-19.
When I paid >$200 on this kit at the start of the year and last year. Feels bad man.
F
How do returns work for them?
Worth spending extra to get CL14 timings?
https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr…$170 is a fair bit more for cl14 ….not worth the faster refresh.
The difference is only a couple of percent (3%~4% at most), not worth paying the $65 dollars extra for single digit gains.
Nice better than OP's deal imo
Would this be worth pairing with my Ryzen 3 2300x / RX570 with 8gb vram? I currently just have 8gb generic brand. I only want 1080p/60fps gaming.
Is your 8gb limiting you? Probably not. But if it is, then upgrade
Just pulled the pin in preparation for a 3600 build sometime in the next couple of months.
Thank you - just what mineraft needs
Paid 126.9 two weeks ago..
I currently have an Asus Prime X470-PRO mobo, and I was wondering if the G.Skill Trident Z RGB F4-3200C16D-16GTZR 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4, 3200MHz, 16-18-18-38-2N, 1.35v be compatible with the mobo and the Ryzen 5 3600, as I am building a PC right now. If this certain model is not listed in the ASUS QLV would that mean that I won't be able to fully utilise the 3200mhz? Complete noob btw Haha
Why are the red ones almost double the price even though they are the exact same product? Am I missing something? The black ones are normally $105 +, surely a different colour isnt worth another $100.
Newegg pricing is funny at times, nothing to worry. This is on sale btw.
Is this compatible with x570 motherboards? Trying to put together a ryzen 3600 build soon. Noob question sorry!
Yes it should be, but I would recommend 3600Mhz ram if you have enough budget
Good to see more people jumping to team red and giving competition in CPU and GPU market. Intel and Nvidea have put prices so high with little performance gain each generation. Love to see better value for money now.
I'd recommend the Crucial Ballistix Sport.
Many people have overclocked these to 3600MHz without much issue.
Um… not exactly if I go through those links being a bit cynical.
- A guy indicated the RAM Micron E-die seems to be really temperature sensitive. Without above average cooling, overclocking it too high resulted in a memory test error at 97%. He has a fan blowing at the RAM modules in one of the photos.
- Clearly, you need to know how memory timings work and willing to tweak them (because XMP won't let you do 3600 and if you just use XMP settings for 3000 and bump it up to 3600, it won't work).
- One of the link shows testing done on intel system.
Amazon user reviews showed a guy managed DDR4-3466. Anyway, if you do overclock, you will need to run a full memory test for hours - unless all you care about is gaming. RAM not running properly will lead to corrupt data so not a good idea for general use to push the RAM too far.
If they don't actually send you e-die memory, would you be willing to send them back?
A guy indicated the RAM Micron E-die seems to be really temperature sensitive. Without above average cooling, overclocking it too high resulted in a memory test error at 97%. He has a fan blowing at the RAM modules in one of the photos.
buildzoid heated up a stick with a hair drier and it had no impact on stability. At that point the stick was hitting 60°C, which is pretty unrealistic. Most of the time, the sticks are 40°C - 50°C when running a memory test.
Clearly, you need to know how memory timings work and willing to tweak them (because XMP won't let you do 3600 and if you just use XMP settings for 3000 and bump it up to 3600, it won't work).
You don't need to know what the timing actually does, just what to set them to. I've written a guide that covers the basic concepts.
One of the link shows testing done on intel system.
That doesn't really matter. Intel may be able to hit higher frequencies than Ryzen 1000 and 2000, but Ryzen 3000 can also achieve similar results when you desynchronise the IF clock (FCLK) from the memory clock (MCLK).
Anyway, if you do overclock, you will need to run a full memory test for hours - unless all you care about is gaming. RAM not running properly will lead to corrupt data so not a good idea for general use to push the RAM too far.
RAM overclocking is tedious, but you don't need to run a memory test for several hours. I typically test for 1 - 1.5hrs and never have any issues with data corruption or random freezing/crashing.
If they don't actually send you e-die memory, would you be willing to send them back?
Crucial is a subsidiary of Micron, so they mainly use Micron ICs. They used to use Samsung ICs for their more aggressive kits (3200 15-16-16, 3466 16-18-18, 3600 16-18-18), but Micron Rev. E can do those settings now.
These sticks are 100% Micron Rev. E, just like how 3200 14-14-14 is 100% B-die.
@integral: You were the one who provided the links, so the info on the links might be incorrect?
RAM overclocking is tedious, but you don't need to run a memory test for several hours. I typically test for 1 - 1.5hrs
I had memory DIMMs which were actually faulty, but need to run the longest test in memtest (the one that takes hours to run) - I think it is called bit fade test. The 1 - 1.5 hours standard test set didn't pick it up.
On AMD boards, the RAM adjustments isn't fun. They don't revert to default settings like intel CPU boards when you mess up the timings too much. Also, even if BIOS shows DDR4-3200, or DDR4-3600, it doesn't necessary mean they run at that speed (need to check in apps like CPUz). I simply changed the BIOS to DDR4-3600 with DDR4-3200 timing values and 1.2V - yet it booted. When I then checked in CPUz, it didn't run at DDR4-3600 at all. Swapping RAM modules might also be needed at times to let the M/B reset RAM settings (unless you prefer clear CMOS - which is even more annoying). Perhaps X570 boards are better, but it is unsafe to assume everyone has X570.
I am more than happy to mess around with intel chipset boards on memory timings. Easy to re-adjust and reset. Settings do stick properly. AMD - it can be a frustrating experience with Ryzen series CPUs.
Yes, B-die are in most cases, very good, but for some reason, my motherboard's official QVL list has one company's B-die memory all need to run at lower frequency. I was a bit shocked initially, but checking all other ones with B-die, they all get the tick.
Microns do partner with Amazon and Newegg for some good deals. It's unlikely they copied and pasted the wrong listing (I know some retailers here put in the high quality part number in their listing, but they actually sell the cheaper / inferior batch).
@integral: Great info thanks.
My 2 x 16GB 3000 CL15 kit arrived today. I'll be building my new Ryzen 3700X based PC once my NVMe shows up, hopefully this weekend.
Are the 3000 CL15 likely to be better binned that the 3200 CL16?
Haven't done any overclocking in years, so hopefully I can get these going at a decent speed.
I'll definitely be checking out your guide :)
I'd be happy with a conservative OC initially. Do you think something like 3200 CL14 would be easy enough?
Are the 3000 CL15 likely to be better binned that the 3200 CL16?
I use that same example in the binning section of my guide.
Theoretically, 3000 15-16-16 is better binned than 3200 16-18-18, but given the small frequency and timing difference and how consistent Micron Rev. E is, I'd say they would overclock very similarly, if not the same.
@integral: Need your expert help.
I have two sets of identical DDR4-3200. It's been a real pain to get them to work properly with MSI B450 Mortar and AMD Ryzen 3700X. However, the real problem is this:
- One pair of them failed memory test. Even dropping the speed to DDR4-2400 doesn't fix the problem.
- Tried to isolate which one out of the two is faulty. No luck so far, but will run more tests later.
- Run that pair of memory on intel, passed 1 full round of test (whereas on the AMD setup, it pretty much failed within a minute (multiple errors)).
Really like to know the root cause. It is just so odd. Really wish the memory test would fail on intel as well. I know I will have trouble getting a refund or replacement because the retailer uses intel to test.
For people like me just wanting to run at the rated XMP, are B-die and Micron rev E the only reliable choices for AMD? My preference is B-die, but with these Micron rev E being so affordable, I am willing to gamble. I just want to put the RAM modules in and everything works. Even if these Micron RAMs work perfectly at DDR4-3000 right away, I'll be happy. However, I just don't understand why AMD platform has so many issues with other memory. Was hoping Ryzen 3xxx series would have improved memory compatibility, but so far, it is a real pain. I don't rule out it is the motherboard, but I thought the memory controller is on the CPU package (the I/O die/chiplet), rather than on the chipset. Buildzoid ok'ed MSI B450 Mortar I thought.
MSI B450 Mortar
I'd blame it on the bad BIOS that's plaguing many vendors.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/
Tons of people complaining about it on here.
@integral: Lol… Bad BIOS… really wish that's the root cause. One set works, the other set doesn't. I cleared the CMOS 5 times and reset BIOS to default 5 times.
Buildzoid recommended MSI B450 boards… sigh… Haven't been a fan of MSI boards.
So, are you now telling me it's my board, so Micron rev. E will still have issues? Now you are telling me?… LOL…
Worth buying and have it sit in the box waiting for me to build something? Or risk the chance of DOA and being up the creek when I eventually find out.
With the price of ram dropping recently, I would say it’s better to wait until you decide to buy all other components
I've seen posts on neweggs aftersales / RMA ain't brilliant
QVl for this kit: http://www.gskill.com/qvl/165/184/1536110676/F4-3200C16D-16G…
Just a PSA from having this same kit in the past, my Ryzen 1600 and 2200g w/ B350 boards did not play nice with it AT ALL.
On intel from on a 6700k to 8700k the kit would operate no problem, even with XMP. On the Ryzen's mention not only was XMP was not possible, I would even get the occasional failure on base setting.
It appears howerver the list was recently updated for some 400/500 series boards (up till I sold them earlier this year the QVL only had z170 boards), so you may have better luck with the newer boards and Ryzen 3000.
Hi guys,
Just an off-topic question but do you have any recommendation for 32gb kit (2 x 16gb would be preferable). I have these two options that not quite certain about:
Ballistix Sport LT 3200 (PC4 25600)
G.SKILL Sniper X Series 3600 (PC4 28800)
Please help
Cheers
What CPU?
If you want to plug and play, get the Sniper X. If you want to overclock, get the Ballistix Sport LT.
The Ballistix Sport LT can probably do better timings than the Sniper X at a given frequency.
Hi,
Thank for the reply.
I will pair it with intel 6700k for now. Just thinking ahead for a future move to AMD system.
Updated on the RAM info;
Ballistix Sport LT 3200 (PC4 25600)
DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600)
Timing 16-18-18
CAS Latency 16
Voltage 1.35VG.SKILL Sniper X Series 3600 (PC4 28800)
DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800)
Timing 19-20-20-40
CAS Latency 19
Voltage 1.35VCheck the motherboard QVL for general idea. Thing is, the part numbers listed on newegg seem to be a bit different (they might have added a few digits or letters).
If you plan to save money and go for B450 or X470, it will depend on the board. Also, people's experience on G.Skill RAM modules is a bit all over the place. I've heard an OZBer managed to get G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 running fine at 3600, but then another person couldn't even get his set to run at 3000 stable. I had one issue with my AMD board, it detects XMP profile 1 settings mostly fine, except the voltage (1.2V).
If high frequency memory is what you are after, consider getting a X570 board. Even just comparing the QVLs, you can tell M/B makers are happy to vouch for their X570 boards with higher frequency RAM modules. And the 4 DIMMs situation seems to have improved on X570. If you opt for B450 or X470, be prepared to spend quite some time on it if XMP profile 1 or 2 doesn't work right away.
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That's a great price, black only at that price. Also showing as $97.00 for me.