Near Accident When U-Ey at The Roundabout

[Deactivated] on 11/11/2019 - 20:39
Last edited 14/11/2019 - 16:38

I had near accident when someone making a U-Turn at the round about. In case there is a question, this is a common single-lane small round about usually found in the residential areas. Please ignore the traffic lights and the double-lane in the image.

See this image for illustrations: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcR-vH…

I was coming in from K, and there were cars on all lanes (A, H and F).
The car on A makes a move with the right indicator turns on. I assumed the car-from-A was heading towards L, so while the car is around D, I made my move towards G from K.
In actuality, the car-from-A is heading towards B, and honk hard on me, and gave me enough shock.

Is it even legal to make U-turn at the round about?
If accident did happen, who is at fault?

Before you say that I have to give way for any cars inside the round about, I don't think drivers (at least in NSW) do that, because if the car-from-A did go to L, I would have been waiting for nothing, and surely would never arrive at my destination.
I only give way to the car on the right or if car from H is giving a right indication.

Edit, there is so much useless comments here. They do not seem to understand my question, they seem to refer to the bigger roundabouts in the image. Please read the whole thing.

Thanks to those who were pointing the rules too, or told me I should hand in my license to them. Because we always drive in the same condition as when we took our lessons and exam. Not when the road is busy. Also every state and countries have exactly the same rules as wherever you are. (sarcasm)

Edit (2): I'm sorry, but I have been observing many cars since I posted this comment to see how many makes a right turn and give a left signal when exiting.

I must have seen over 100 cars in few different roundabouts paying careful attention to the signals, and none give left signal.

I still cannot find the difference between one that is making right turn or U-ey.

Not that I do not believe or appreciate the commenters here, but can anyone explain why not 1 car does that?

Edit (3): from this thread I found two things, one is that most ozbargainers do not care, and they just put unhelpful comments. And surprisingly these comments gets most up voted. Wft do you expect from 'hand me your license'?
For those that gives helpful comments, I thank you, I do believe that in your life you will be more successful than the other ones (not sarcasm).

Two, after checking rules on almost all states, I am shocked that those helpful comments are right. That we have to give left signal when exiting any roundabout. This solve differentiating u turn and right turn. Whomever put the word 'if practical' in the rulebook is just stupid. I am shocked that in my life, driving so many years in Vic and NSW, I have only seen maybe 1 or 2 cars that does that, and at that time I genuinely think they made a mistake. I will from now on do this religiously and hoping that others do the same.

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Comments

  • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 13/11/2019 - 09:50
    +1

    lmao at OP's edit

    • Bargain80 on 13/11/2019 - 09:58
      +2

      haha. OP is trigerred.

      Every states have different road rules.
      But pretty sure fundamental rules such as round about are the same across the states.

  • lint on 13/11/2019 - 09:56
    +2

    Before you say that I have to give way for any cars inside the round about, I don't think drivers (at least in NSW) do that, because if the car-from-A did go to L, I would have been waiting for nothing, and surely would never arrive at my destination.
    I only give way to the car on the right or if car from H is giving a right indication.

    But you also say the car was at D when you decided to enter the roundabout, in which case the car was both already in the roundabout and on your right, thus requiring you to give way.

    And many people do wait when it's unclear which way a car is going on a roundabout in NSW. Don't make things up just because you did the wrong thing.

    It's situations like this that they introduced the rule to indicate when you intend to exit the roundabout where possible. I always do it on larger roundabouts when my intentions may otherwise not be clear to other drivers.

  • dogboy on 13/11/2019 - 10:07
    +4

    As soon as you used the word 'assumed', it was obvious you were in the wrong.

  • Munki on 13/11/2019 - 10:36
    +1

    This thread needs more L2Drive noob!

  • jorf on 13/11/2019 - 11:11
    +5

    Edit, there is so much useless comments here. They do not seem to understand my question, they seem to refer to the bigger roundabouts in the image. Please read the whole thing.

    No, we understand it. It's just that you're wrong. The law is give way to traffic on the roundabout. It is your responsibility to drive safely in that regard. If the other car wants to do laps around the roundabout, you still have to give way. You improperly entered the roundabout and nearly caused a crash as a result.

    Before you say that I have to give way for any cars inside the round about, I don't think drivers (at least in NSW) do that, because if the car-from-A did go to L, I would have been waiting for nothing, and surely would never arrive at my destination.
    I only give way to the car on the right or if car from H is giving a right indication.

    Again, it's your responsibility to ensure that your way is clear before you enter the roundabout. Your inconvenience has nothing to do with it. Suck it up. This is why there are so many crashes on the road.

    If you can't understand this, please consider not driving.

  • field1985 on 13/11/2019 - 11:43
    +5

    "Is it even legal to make U-turn at the round about?"

    HAND IN YOUR LICENCE!

    • [Deactivated] on 14/11/2019 - 11:36
      -1

      Ok, sure where do we meet?

  • hts on 13/11/2019 - 12:02

    Did the Driver from A go around the round about or did they cut through on C? If they went from A - I - D - J - B they did nothing wrong and you would be at fault, if they went from A - C - B then they would be at fault as they went the wrong way on the road.

  • trapper on 13/11/2019 - 13:21
    +1

    Yes it is legal to drive right around a roundabout.

    You would be 100% at fault for not giving way.

    Also if the car from A was going to L he would indicate left after E but before L.

  • trapper on 13/11/2019 - 13:29
    +6

    Not only is it perfectly legal to use a roundabout to do a U-turn, this is probably the safest possible way to do a U-turn.

    • ankor on 13/11/2019 - 16:15
      +20

      Exception to the rule is if OP is also near to said roundabout.

  • zooter on 13/11/2019 - 14:17

    The image shows such a big roundabout. Surely it must have taken a long time for the other car to reach OP?

  • neyo on 13/11/2019 - 14:53
    +4

    Is it even legal to make U-turn at the round about?

    Troll line of the year

    • pikapika on 14/11/2019 - 17:42

      😂👏👏

  • roguescholar on 13/11/2019 - 15:10
    +3

    OP links image of large roundabout, but tells everyone off for discussing large roundabouts.

  • vi9ilante on 13/11/2019 - 15:48
    +7

    I find this thread highly satisfying.
    You know those times where you run into morons on the road who clearly don't know the road rules and as a law abiding citizen you swallow that anger and move on?
    These comments are scratching that itch.

  • nikey2k27 on 13/11/2019 - 17:30

    Doesn’t matter what drivers do the rule is give way to anyone on the roundabout. i had some crash into me as i have u turn at old place daliy to get home. they paid to fix my car.

  • sulmar on 13/11/2019 - 18:13

    Are you sure you're not getting confused between traffic lights and roundabout? Because in NSW, you can't make u-turns at any traffic light but at roundabouts, its totally fine.

    • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2019 - 00:14

      Funny that u turn at traffic lights is legal in other states.

      Funnier that we do not require a retest when moving states

      • tomsco on 16/11/2019 - 10:10

        Funnier that we do not require a retest when moving states

        Why would you? When you get your license, you demonstrate your capacity to drive a car. Knowing locals and current laws are your responsibility to stay abreast of.

        As an example, if you visit Victoria, there's a helpful guide here: https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-r…

      • dizzle on 19/11/2019 - 09:59

        U-turns at traffic lights are often dangerous because the people to your right have a green light to turn the same place you are (meaning that they don't need to give way and can expect a clear road).

        You'll find that anywhere a Uturn is allowed (Qld and NSW at least) at lights it's because they either control the lights better, or because those to your right don't filter directly into the new road (not sure of the technical term, but a slip road that takes them onto the road a little further down so they would need to give way to anyone already on the road)

  • Yummy on 13/11/2019 - 19:14
    +2

    OP, you can do U turn in any roundabout not just in Oz but overseas also. Pretty much the most legit way of U turning.

  • pqpein on 13/11/2019 - 23:48
    +5

    I can't believe this even needs to be asked. OP can't fathom the idea that individuals with even the slightest bit of common sense should be able to navigate a round-a-bout without all four sides coming to a dead-lock. Millions of people drive through a round-a-bout every day and do it just fine. Please tell me how exactly do you classify a big and small round-a-bout?

    OP, you don't have to turn in your license but please check your attitude. You came to ask a question, got told you're wrong and instead of admitting you were misinformed, go on to attack other people.

  • DiLs on 14/11/2019 - 02:04
    +3

    Op is stubborn and just trying to prove he is right

    • tomsco on 14/11/2019 - 07:16
      +3

      trying failing to prove he is right

  • Chochkee on 14/11/2019 - 08:30
    +2

    Hand in your license. Of course it is legal to do a u-turn at a roundabout, no matter the size. You sound like the type of person that accelerates when entering a roundabout to block traffic entering.

  • miicah on 14/11/2019 - 10:30
    -1

    I know OP is wrong in this situation, but how does "give way to anyone already on the roundabout" apply to two lane roundabouts? Doesn't the law override the advantage of having two lanes?

    • endotherm on 14/11/2019 - 15:33

      What law do you think exists that overrides the "give way to the roundabout" law? Why do you think two or more lanes makes a difference?

      • miicah on 14/11/2019 - 18:17

        Well why make two lane roundabouts then if someone being on the inside lane means you aren't allowed to enter the roundabout?

        • endotherm on 14/11/2019 - 19:06
          +3

          The law doesn't say you can't enter the roundabout. It says you have to give way to that other car. GIVE WAY does not mean the other car owns the entire roundabout. A lot of people seem to have no idea what give way actually means. In simple terms it means to let that vehicle go in its way unimpeded and without delay, or not having to take evasive action to avoid another entering vehicle. If you turn in front of me and I have to steer around you to avoid a collision, you have not given way. Same if I have to brake at all, and technically even if I have to take my foot off the accelerator to slow down. If you can turn in front of me fast enough and get up to at least my speed without me having to react, then you HAVE given way.

          Once vehicles have entered and are safely using the roundabout, different rules about avoiding collisions apply. It doesn't matter any more who entered the roundabout first, 30 seconds earlier. It is completely acceptable for 2 or more cars to enter the roundabout at once, assuming none of the vehicles interfere with another vehicle. If it is going to take 20 seconds for a car entering from the opposite side to get to my location, I can clearly enter the roundabout without causing any interference, and even complete my journey and turn off before the other vehicle arrives at my entry point. This is also GIVING WAY. No interruption to the other vehicle was caused.

          If I want to enter a 2-lane or more roundabout and needed to use the inside lane, I would wait until there is a clear gap, that I could enter without interfering with or delaying approaching traffic. With 2 lanes, I have to make sure I don't interfere with the inner lane and outer lane cars at the same time. Then I would enter the inner lane. Same when exiting, I need to cross over the outer lane so I need to do it with no interference on the approaching cars in that lane.

        • wizzy on 14/11/2019 - 19:35

          You are still allowed to enter the outer lane of a roundabout if a car is on the inside lane. You only have to give way to cars that are in the lane that you intend to enter - not cars in the other lanes.

          • [Deactivated] on 15/11/2019 - 10:29

            @wizzy: "You only have to give way to cars that are in the lane that you intend to enter"

            Or lanes you're crossing over (just adding clarity)

          • Euphemistic on 15/11/2019 - 12:11

            @wizzy:

            You only have to give way to cars that are in the lane that you intend to enter - not cars in the other lanes.

            That over simplified the responsibility to give way entering the roundabout. You need to ensure that you are giving way to cars in all lanes, but usually you can enter safely to one lane while there are cars in the roundabout, it just depends on what they are doing.

            You can enter in the left lane to go straight while cars in the inner lane (coming from on your right) are going right (both using the same exit). Sometimes cars in the inner lane are going straight (across your path, exit before your exit), in which case you need to give way to the inner lane while using the outer lane.

            • wizzy on 15/11/2019 - 14:27

              @Euphemistic: Yes of course.

              I was deliberately trying to give a simple answer.

              • Euphemistic on 15/11/2019 - 15:14

                @wizzy: Unfortunately with some of the simple folk on these threads over simplifying ends up with unwanted honking or crashing.

  • syx on 14/11/2019 - 11:20
    +2

    I'm trying to understand why people like the OP start these kind of threads? If you genuinely had a question you wanted answered and this many people gave you an answer, surely you'd be like "Yep OK understood thanks everyone".

    • [Deactivated] on 14/11/2019 - 11:36
      -8

      Because the answers I'm getting doesn't match any evidence I see.

      Which means either everyone just cite the rule without any care why.

      In my job many young grad is like this. They just cite what the book said, no idea why.

      • Lockieasy on 14/11/2019 - 12:01
        +2

        Any qualified instructor will teach you to blinker when exiting a roundabout and you have to do it to pass the driving test (not many drivers bother doing it in the real world though).

        U turns are perfectly fine on a roundabout provided you're in the inner-lane. It's called taking the third exit.

        • [Deactivated] on 14/11/2019 - 12:59
          -7

          Depends on the state apparently, also depends on when.

          • jerrus on 14/11/2019 - 13:10
            +5

            @[Deactivated]: Seriously? show us one state or territory where U-turns are, or have been, not allowed as a general rule at roundabouts (IE not at a specific roundabout)?

            • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2019 - 00:08

              @jerrus: Not the u turn, the blinker.

          • Piranha2004 on 14/11/2019 - 14:53

            @[Deactivated]: U turns at roundabouts are completely legal in all states. The use of the indicator is optional depending on the size and practicality of the roundabout. When I travelled to QLD (from VIC), I had to change my habits to indicate out of a roundabout because everyone else was doing it. You have to adapt to each situation.

            • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2019 - 00:09
              -4

              @Piranha2004: I don't see that in the rules. All rules said to blink left when exiting of practical.

              What you just said is to simply follow others.

              • Piranha2004 on 16/11/2019 - 09:09

                @[Deactivated]: You still have to give way to all cars already present in the roundabout. Blinker (actually called an indicator) or not.

      • Kamsi on 14/11/2019 - 12:45

        Which means either everyone just cite the rule without any care why.

        That seem to be the case for some people but I'm sure not all.

      • endotherm on 14/11/2019 - 15:46

        You are not supposed to speed either, but thousands upon thousands do it all the time. Just because you see others speeding doesn't make it right.

        • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2019 - 00:11
          -5

          Speeding is different. The rule is clear and crystal and measurable easily.

          Can you create a roundabout cameras?

      • gromit on 14/11/2019 - 15:49
        +3

        you asked 2 questions initially.

        Is it even legal to make U-turn at the round about?

        This is a simple answer, it is YES. there is no debate about it, the rules are very clear on the matter.

        If accident did happen, who is at fault?

        Again this is very simple, it is a YOU. No debate. Everyone on a roundabout has right of way over someone approaching or joining a roundabout. What Evidence are you looking for? neither of these questions are open to debate, they are simple matters of fact.

        If by Evidence you mean how others drive, that is NOT evidence. Nor will it matter one bit when it comes to deciding who is at fault. Others speed, don't use indicators, drive through red lights, don't stop completely at a stop sign. That is not evidence that it could be ok, it is merely evidence a lot of people ignore the rules or are also poorly educated when it comes to driving.

  • rave75 on 14/11/2019 - 14:45

    Well, even in small roundabout, some people (presumably international license holder) didn't even give way to their right. Happened to me twice in the past month, I was in the round about and the car on my left didn't even slowed down.

    You need to signal correctly, especially in a big roundabout. For example Car A should use right indicator when entering from A and he/she needs to signal left just before approaching B, but after passing L. So while you were waiting on K, if Car A didn't signal left, that means he is going to pass L and not exiting and you should give away to car A. Heck even if car A signal left, I'd still be cautious and judge whether or not car A will exit L by their speed.

  • dengziyi on 14/11/2019 - 15:34
    +5

    This truly has to win an award for the most stubborn/prideful OP. For any anime watchers, I think Escanor would bow to OP

    @OP it doesn't matter what you obverse or think. To put it simply U-turns are legal. Give way to vehicles already on the roundabout

    The reason people are telling you to give in your license is that you are literally ignoring the community/majority in your own personal conquest.

    Furthermore, all of your edits and comments show a blatant disregard for onus and sensibility

    Beyond this, a simple google of the question could have yielded you some answers without your pride being threatened. Let's use Wikipedia since it is non-australian based. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout states "They allow U-turns within the normal flow of traffic, which often are not possible at other forms of junction"
    * Before OP says normal flow doesn't equal peak hour traffic - Normal = conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected. Therefore peak hour traffic is normal because one would expect between 7am-9am - bumper to bumper traffic

    As another comment previously stated - you came here for validation and haven't found it. Either learn from your mistake or please get off the road. We are saying this because the next time you make a mistake, it could be at the cost of someone's life and you are actively not wanting to reduce your likeliness of opportunities for mistakes

    • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2019 - 00:07
      -7

      Thanks, Wikipedia huh?

      • dengziyi on 16/11/2019 - 15:49
        +2

        Did you have a point?

  • gromit on 14/11/2019 - 15:35

    Not that I do not believe or appreciate the commenters here, but can anyone explain why not 1 car does that?

    because many people don't follow the rules. That doesn't make the rules any different or make you less wrong. Roundabout rules are detailed and describe that you must give way and tell you how you are supposed to indicate, that doesn't mean people do it and until they are in an accident or caught by police it probably is ok…sortof.

    Had you hit the other driver you would still be 100% in the wrong as saying "but everyone else was not following that rule" is not an excuse. Just as "but the road was busy" is also NOT an excuse.

  • CalmLemons on 14/11/2019 - 15:48

    Sounds like OP doesn't have insurance and got into an accident and is trying to use ozbargain thread as evidence of the law, IMO.

    Sometimes you have an accident brother, just gotta suck it up.

    • [Deactivated] on 14/11/2019 - 16:44
      -6

      Wow

      • CalmLemons on 14/11/2019 - 20:46
        +1

        I was wondering why people were downvoting you and then realised you were OP haha.

        Keep going man. Nearly page 4. Epic.

  • xers on 14/11/2019 - 19:18

    Sounds like OP doesn't know road rules yet is too stubborn (or stupid) to admit so.

    I u turn at roundabouts all the time and you can bet I will honk and throw profanities at idiots who assume I'm turning right and cut me off.

  • peco on 14/11/2019 - 19:54
    +1

    We need better testing in this country.

    • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2019 - 00:05
      -2

      Can't agree more. I think we should have 3 or 5 yearly online test to review our knowledge

      • tomsco on 16/11/2019 - 10:12
        +8

        You'd be stuffed if that was the case.

  • logistics on 14/11/2019 - 20:21
    +2

    We'll played OP.

    3 pages in and still going.

  • baskinghobo on 15/11/2019 - 00:31

    I thought if you did a u turn at a roundabout you had to change lanes before exiting?

    • Euphemistic on 15/11/2019 - 06:25

      You don’t do it to turn right, why would you need to complicate Hingis further by doing so for a u-turn. You should be entering from the inner lane.

      Exception probably is if is a massive roundabout

  • drfuzzy on 15/11/2019 - 00:44
    +3

    TLDR; OP rejects existing road rules, advocates an alternate reality.

  • whooah1979 on 15/11/2019 - 05:07

    This rule is so misunderstood by some drivers. Someone just entered the roundabout after I was halfway in without trying giving way. They didn’t slow down before entering and had to emergency brake so not to t-bone the driver side. They looked really surprised that I was there and exchanged a few short words.

    • Kamsi on 15/11/2019 - 10:41

      They didn’t slow down before entering and had to emergency brake so not to t-bone the driver side.

      So common that buses and truck do it deliberately.

  • Stopback on 15/11/2019 - 11:20

    If a car didn't signal and turned into your path on a round about and hit you, you still be at fault.

    Sometimes its dangerous to believe driver turn signals as some people forget to turn them off after a lane change.

  • MagicMushroom on 15/11/2019 - 16:31
    +2

    Typical person who never admits their fault.

  • eggboi on 15/11/2019 - 18:03
    -4

    OP, just wanted to say ‘good on you’ for admitting you learned something and have accepted being corrected on this. So many of the sassy keyboard warriors on here seem to think they are better than you just because they know a relatively straightforward road rule that you didn’t know or hadn’t come across. Aussies in general love to feel smug equating their knowledge of road rules with a high IQ lol. (Let them have their small win, it helps boost their self esteem).

    • surethang on 16/11/2019 - 11:20
      +4

      I'd say you're getting downvotes here because the OP has contributed heavily to the negativity of this post through sarcasm, insults, false claims, and wilful ignorance. He fails to recognise this and just continues to blame others or the situation. Ironically, he judges others, telling them that they will not be successful in life, but doesn't realise that his inability to take responsibility for a dangerous situation likely puts him in the same category.

      Also, the main point of his post is that he failed to give way to a driver doing a u-turn at a roundabout. At no point in any of his comments has he acknowledged that this is wrong. He has fought it every time with poor excuses (eg., drivers behind me honk me, why aren't other drivers indicating to exit, it's different in each state, it's a small roundabout, it's a single-lane roundabout, traffic is busy, it's that time of day, it's the system not me, irrelevant rhetorical questions, etc.) none of which are valid reasons for putting other peoples' lives and property in danger. So I can understand why commenters are upset with his attitude and react with astonishment.

      Yes, it's good that the OP now knows that it is correct to indicate left when exiting a roundabout, if practical. But knowing this road rule will not stop him from crashing heavily into other vehicles when he continues to fail to give way as he enters a roundabout.

      When it comes to our safety as a fellow drivers, OP has learned/acknowledged nothing.

      • eggboi on 16/11/2019 - 21:41
        +4

        Oh jeez, i just read the updates to the main post text and didn’t go thru the comments lol. Fair enough re downvotes if OP was joining in the shenanigans with sarcasm and excuses lol. I guess i should get the full picture before throwing in my 2c haha. Only came back to view the thread cos of your reply. Have a +1 for constructively alerting me to my own ignorance

  • Eeples on 15/11/2019 - 20:15

    In some small roundabouts it’s Impractically to blink right then left when going straight through.

    In my opinion, blinking left, when turning left even on small roundabouts is what you do.
    In my opinion, blinking right, then left on exit when doing a right turn or u-turn is what you do. Even on small roundabouts.
    But, some ppl are lazy and don’t blink left to exit.

    Certainly, if your right blinker is on when you exit…. that’s bad driving (but I agree OP I see more incorrect right blinkers than correct left blinkers on exit).

    Finally, OP, I’m glad you learned something.

    • Euphemistic on 15/11/2019 - 20:35
      +2

      Impractically to blink right then left when going straight through.

      If you are going straight through you shouldn’t be indicating right. Just indicate left to exit - if the roundabout is big enough.

      • Eeples on 15/11/2019 - 20:47
        -1

        You think no roundabout is small enough to not blink left when going straight through?

        Or are you saying you shouldn’t blink right when entering a big roundabout and going straight?

        Or are you just restating what I typed in?

        • Euphemistic on 15/11/2019 - 21:31
          +2

          No indicating right if you are going straight.

          https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/rou…

          • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2019 - 00:02
            -3

            @Euphemistic: It's said to indicate left when exiting, including if going straight.

            I find it very practical on straight, easier then when doing right turn.

            • Euphemistic on 16/11/2019 - 05:59

              @[Deactivated]: Yes. But sometimes when the roundabout is very small it is not practical as it looks like you are turning left if you indicate to early or you are indicating after you have left the roundabout. You need to indicate after you pass the last exit before yours.

          • Eeples on 16/11/2019 - 06:25
            -1

            @Euphemistic: It is not against the rules to indicate right when going straight (just no requirement).

            On big roundabouts indicating right when going straight (on entering) does make sense.

            • Euphemistic on 16/11/2019 - 10:29

              @Eeples: Indicating rights when going straight makes no sense. It indicates to other drivers you are going right, or u turning. Why would you do it? Just indicate left before your exit.

              It’s not hard to indicate your intentions approaching a roundabout. Do it the same as if it were a cross road. Left for left, nothing for straight and right for right and u-turns. The nice on the roundabout keep doing that until you pass the exit before yours and then indicate left to leave.

            • tomleonhart on 17/11/2019 - 06:33

              @Eeples: Why would you indicate right to go straight ??

  • foxmulder on 16/11/2019 - 09:09

    To enter roundabout, you only focus on incoming cars from the RIGHT - those that already in roundabout, again on your right. Once you get enough opening then you enter.

    Thus it won't matter if there is cars on what lane, your focus is to enter when your right is free

    Right indicator is used if you are going to exit to that street if that street is more than 180 degree angled from where you enter and yes including u turn. And left indicator just before you exit.

  • Ughhh on 16/11/2019 - 09:48

    Before you say that I have to give way for any cars inside the round about, I don't think drivers (at least in NSW) do that, because if the car-from-A did go to L, I would have been waiting for nothing, and surely would never arrive at my destination.
    I only give way to the car on the right or if car from H is giving a right indication.

    The whole "give way to the right" vs "give way to all cars in the round about" and "right of way" it's just all semantics.

    Since we're in Australia and not U.S, all cars approach from the right in round abouts. If other cars are entering from 1st or second exit (A & H), you can enter if they have not yet entered between D & J, and provided you dont enter at a snails pace so they catch up and could hit you.
    Giving way to cars in round about doesn't mean you have to wait till there's no cars inside.

    As for "right of way", if other cars have to give way to you, then you have [what]?

    • Euphemistic on 16/11/2019 - 10:33

      As for "right of way", if other cars have to give way to you, then you have [what]?

      Semantics yes, but it is an important difference in law that there is no concept of “right of way”. At some point, drivers stilll need to apply the concept of giving way despite the (dumb) actions of others.

  • CalmLemons on 16/11/2019 - 11:47

    Suggested read: "Who moved my cheese"

  • justwii on 16/11/2019 - 11:51

    Hijacking. If it was safe for me to enter the roundabout while there was car on it already but because I drive slow and that car caught up and bump into me then who's at fault?

    • surethang on 16/11/2019 - 12:54

      The law says you must give way to vehicles already in the roundabout when you enter - emphasis on "enter". If you entered a huge roundabout and another car is on the far side of the roundabout 20 seconds away, then you have given way correctly. Now that you're both safely in the roundabout a good distance apart, regular road rules still apply. So if the other driver comes around the roundabout and rear-ends you 30 seconds later (plenty of time to have slowed or stopped), then the other driver is at fault. Just because a car is in the roundabout first, doesn't then give that driver any special permission to break other road rules.

      While this situation might be possible on very large roundabouts, obviously it's far less likely on small ones. It'd be hard to argue you entered safely when a car can be on your tail in a few seconds.

      • Euphemistic on 16/11/2019 - 21:30

        20 seconds away, then 30 seconds later? How big is this roundabout? Or are you both out of fuel and pushing the cars?

        • surethang on 17/11/2019 - 01:39

          Oh man, I deliberately chose huge roundabouts requiring large time values so no one would bother questioning the least relevant point of the example :(

          I'm just going to assume you've never seen any of the huge roundabouts in Australia. They're half a kilometre to a kilometre around. You'd have to break the speed limit to get around them in 20 seconds, let alone catch up to another moving car.

          https://goo.gl/maps/1HXfcQHrZWNu2fTN9

          https://goo.gl/maps/Z3b5GRU5TNHy4Vtw5

  • Architectonic on 16/11/2019 - 14:07
    +3

    I have another question, is it illegal to do this?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHtCNhABlLw

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