[NSW] Do I Need to Indicate with My Blinker at This Small Street Junction When Turning?

Lvtech2 on 11/01/2020 - 13:26
Last edited 11/01/2020 - 13:26

To clarify, I am a new P plater and this scenario happened recently. This happened on a suburban street so it isn't a major intersection or anything.

I was following the pink path looking to turn right when I was told that I had to indicate when turning right here. It is my understanding that I don't need to indicate here as I am simply going straight in a way (despite the road ending) and still had the right of way considering both sides have a stop sign and a give-way sign.

Please inform me. Cheers

Diagram here: https://i.imgur.com/Fg2xKVm.png

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  • Simoneee on 11/01/2020 - 13:32
    +44

    Answer is Yes. You have to indicate

    • HighAndDry on 11/01/2020 - 15:35
      +55

      I would indicate to be safe, but if there are markings on the road to indicate that it's just a bend in the one road, technically OP may not be required to.

        • [Deactivated] on 11/01/2020 - 17:29
          +3

          How about entering a parking bay?

        • pegaxs on 11/01/2020 - 18:48
          +10

          If no lines are crossed, you don't need to indicate.

          Please cite that piece of legislation…

          I'll give you a hint… Start here.

          ARR 45:

          What is changing direction
          (1) A driver changes direction if the driver changes direction to the left or the driver changes direction to the right.
          (3) A driver changes direction to the right by doing any of the following—
          (a) turning right,

          ARR 48:

          Giving a right change of direction signal
          (1) Before a driver changes direction to the right, the driver must give a right change of direction signal in accordance with rule 49

          • Ughhh on 12/01/2020 - 17:58
            +4

            @pegaxs: Is Car A supposed to indicate here?

            • pegaxs on 12/01/2020 - 19:24
              +3

              @Ughhh: No, because of the markings that outline the continuation of the road. This is not the same as OP's example. It also isn't relevant to what @knobbs said.

              If no lines are crossed, you don't need to indicate.

              This is a blanket statement and as a blanket statement, it is incorrect. A road can have a stop/giveway sign and no marked line, but if you wanted to turn there, you would need to indicate. If you pull out of or into a parking space, no lines are crossed, but you still have to indicate. Just because there is "no line" does not mean that a driver does not have to indicate.

              In OP's example, you must indicate, because there is no markings to outline the continuation of the main part of the road around to the right. The road dead heads and even though the other cars have to give way, OP's road is still ending.

              This is an example of what OP is asking. The road you are on, Gilba Road, is ending. There is no "continuation" of Gilba Road, so a driver needs to "turn left" or "turn right". If they turn left OR right, they need to indicate to get off Gilba Road.

              Your example is not OP's. Yours shows a clear set of markings and a where the continuation of the road goes. If @knobbs was correct, then why is "Car A" indicating in this example

              • Ughhh on 12/01/2020 - 19:50
                -1

                @pegaxs: My reply wasn't exactly in regards to OPs situation, but rather your previous comment, which was generic and implied it applies whenever you change direction

                ARR 45:
                What is changing direction
                (1) A driver changes direction if the driver changes direction to the left or the driver changes direction to the right.
                (3) A driver changes direction to the right by doing any of the following—
                (a) turning right,
                ARR 48:
                Giving a right change of direction signal
                (1) Before a driver changes direction to the right, the driver must give a right change of direction signal in accordance with rule 49

                • pegaxs on 12/01/2020 - 20:27
                  +2

                  @Ughhh: Then in that case, you will have to write a letter to your local member of parliament to get them to ask the people who write the legislation. I didn't word it, I just cut and pasted it.

                  If a road "ends" and you have the option of going left or right, you have to "turn" (OP's example)
                  If a road "curves" and you are following the "continuation of the road", you are "following the road", hence why Car A in your example does not have an indicator on.

                  If a road has a 90 degree bend in it, am I "turning" or "following the continuation of the road"??

                  And with my original comment, I was just pointing out that @knobbs was wrong in stating that "if there are no lines, you do not have to indicate", which is absolutely wrong.

              • Rel63 on 12/01/2020 - 23:53
                +1

                @pegaxs: This brought back some good memories, I grew up at Pendle Hill and if you follow the white/cream fence in Gilba Road the next yard has a for sale sign and that is the house I grew up in…. spent many many many trips both on foot and in car through that intersection. It is so different now though.

        • c64 on 11/01/2020 - 18:56
          +3

          if no lines are crossed, you don't need to indicate.

          lol. that is any t-junction

        • swilso on 15/01/2020 - 06:29

          You haven’t been out to regional QLD ? What lines ?

      • Bargain80 on 13/01/2020 - 09:37
        +1

        just based on the picture, it's a T intersection, not just a bend of one road.
        usually (in QLD at least), on bending road, the other road will be coloured differently.

      • abb on 13/01/2020 - 09:59

        if there are markings on the road to indicate that it's just a bend in the one road

        But, for clarity, OP's example has no such markings.

        Similarly, if there were a stop sign in front of OP, they would be required to stop ;)

    • arkie0 on 11/01/2020 - 16:22
      +8

      This example was recently given by vic/nsw roads and it went viral on social and split the community.

      The correct answer given by vic roads after all the drama is no.

      PS. The way the OP has drawn some lane markings is also intended the create confusion.
      PSS. This is a example but flanked by 2 give way signs.
      https://www.google.com/maps/@-37.8046842,144.8850538,3a,75y,…

      • Muzeeb on 11/01/2020 - 16:53
        +24

        Don't let a technicality get in the way of common sense. If the two other drivers know what is going on the likelihood of an accident is reduced significantly.

        • AirbusA389 on 11/01/2020 - 21:26
          +22

          it's just a flick of the signal switch. just let other drivers know where you are heading. come on!

          • iDroid on 13/01/2020 - 16:47
            +4

            @AirbusA389: Each time an indicator light flashes the drivers life is shortened by 1 minute.

            Well, we'd think that was the case.

            • AirbusA389 on 13/01/2020 - 16:54

              @iDroid: mm. given the ageing population, should i carry a resuscitation kit in my car then?

              if OP is a young and hot girl, i am happy to assist / resus.

              if otherwise.. may i have permission to walk away?

            • ConsumerAffairs on 15/01/2020 - 09:58

              @iDroid: Is that why Mercedes drivers are so old, go figure.

        • Lv80 on 12/01/2020 - 19:32
          -2

          Both other drives must give way to the OP. There is not confusion here cept for poor driving if any other car causes an accident.

          • Muzeeb on 12/01/2020 - 20:29
            +2

            @Lv80: Insurance claims and especially write offs are a pain in the a$$. I'd rather avoid the accident than claim a victory because it wasn't my fault.

      • dsantos15 on 12/01/2020 - 14:07

        That example may not be the same as the OP. It helps to always indicate but in that link there are two lanes to seperate going left or right, it would be a lot more consuing with one lane. Probably we technically still wouldnt have to signal but it would be ideal to do so I think.

      • lostn on 12/01/2020 - 20:47

        i've seen at least 3 different google maps addresses now claiming to be the intersection in question. He hasn't confirmed which one (if any) it is.

        • arkie0 on 12/01/2020 - 21:59
          +1

          fyi I never claimed it was the one in question, I just said it was an example (of something similar).

      • abb on 13/01/2020 - 10:02

        That on has line markings (albeit worn/obscured) to show that the right hand lane continues around the corner though.

      • pegaxs on 13/01/2020 - 10:35
        +1

        The correct answer given by vic roads

        Please supply source to this example. I want to see what they offered as their example and what was said.

        And you're example is not the same as OP's. In your example, there is a clear line making the lane and a traffic direction indication marked on the road that indicates the continuation of Geelong St.) around to the right.

        This example is closer to what OP has drawn, where there is no marking on the road to indicate that Gilba Road continues in any direction.

        • kingsville on 13/01/2020 - 16:31

          But Geelong St does not continue around the corner, it is called Williamstown Rd (which is also the street on the left!):
          https://www.google.com/maps/@-37.8048414,144.8852654,18.02z

          I agree that your Gilba Rd example is a good one

          • pegaxs on 13/01/2020 - 16:49

            @kingsville: The street "name" does not continue around, but the markings on the road (edge lane makers and that big arrow) show the lane continuation from Geelong St into Williamstown Rd.

            This was the example @arkie0 presented as being the same as OP's drawing. I was just showing that it is not and that the Gilba St. example is more closely related to OP's drawing.

        • arkie0 on 14/01/2020 - 08:54

          You are correct in your example and I believe am correct in mine.

          Until the OP responds and clarifies his example, both our examples may be correct based the real street location.

          OP is a new member and has been online but not responded to anything, so I going to say this is a troll post with the map drawn with ambiguity on purpose to generate discussion.

          when I was told that I had to indicate when turning right here

          Also who told OP? his mate or a Police officer? Again without clarification smells of troll.

          • pegaxs on 14/01/2020 - 09:17

            @arkie0: I would really like to see the link to/source of the claim you made about the Vic/NSW Example that was posted on social media.

            As to your example, no, you do not have to indicate there, as it is clearly marked out with lane edge markings and a right turn only arrow on the road. There is no option from that lane to turn left here, so this is a bend in the road. So, I agree with you "on your example."

            The problem with OP's drawing and what OP has said ("despite the road ending"), in their example, this road just ends and there are no marks to indicate or suggestion that there is a continuation of this lane. I believe the drawing is deliberately vague for the "troll" aspect of it. It would have been far easier to cut and paste a link from Google Maps.

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            And yes, I too am banking that OP is trolling. They have had every opportunity to comment and clear up exactly what intersection it is, but wont even comment on anything.

    • field1985 on 13/01/2020 - 13:34
      -1

      No it's not. There is no requirement to indicate. They are not turning off or changing lanes, they are continuing along the roadway. If that roadway goes around a corner, so be it. Indicating is wrong and could lead to accidents.

  • oscargamer on 11/01/2020 - 14:00
    +1

    Of course you do.

    • toristo on 12/01/2020 - 13:56
      +14

      *except if you drive a BMW, obviously.

      • acoma on 13/01/2020 - 10:06
        +2

        or a tradie ute.

        • pegaxs on 13/01/2020 - 16:02
          +6

          Can't do it in a tradie ute. You would have a pie/sausage roll in one hand and your phone in the other.

  • blitz on 11/01/2020 - 14:00
    +78

    If in doubt, indicate. It costs you nothing. Doesn't matter if you have to do it or not.

    • iDroid on 13/01/2020 - 16:47
      +2

      blitz for president!

  • Pudina Chutney on 11/01/2020 - 14:03
    +28

    No, never indicate. You own the road, it's yours.

    /s

    • Euphemistic on 11/01/2020 - 15:03
      +1

      At least this is the case while you have p plates on the car or while you own a BMW or Audi.

    • WaterMark on 12/01/2020 - 13:23
      +4

      Yeh especially when every time you indicate it uses up your blinker fluid

      • John Dough on 12/01/2020 - 15:08
        +4

        3rd most expensive service item at any Audi or BMW dealership.

  • Melb69 on 11/01/2020 - 14:07
    +10

    I am turning and a there is an intersection. Don't get into bad habits from the start by not indicating. It might save you from an accident.

  • Muzeeb on 11/01/2020 - 14:07
    +25

    In a BMW = No
    Any other car = Yes

    vtech2

    I'm guessing you may be a Honda driver. No need to indicate just enter vtec mode, hold on and enjoy the ride.

    You may be a P plate on the road but definitely God level on ms paint. Cheers

    • Never Pay RRP on 12/01/2020 - 11:34
      +7

      enter vtec mode

      Vtec is not a “mode” it’s a way of life :P

      • Minimum chips on 14/01/2020 - 13:09

        You merely embraced the Vtec. I was born into it, molded by it.

    • John Dough on 12/01/2020 - 15:09
      +2

      It's VTEC Yo

  • Yummy on 11/01/2020 - 14:08
    +1

    Member Since 52 min ago.
    New member, with car related questions. Most of the time.

    Answer to OP: Common courtesy, especially for the guy in give way lane. You may not indicate if no one around, its up to you.

    • ely on 13/01/2020 - 21:28
      +2

      Indicate where appropriate, regardless of whether you think anyone is around or not - you don't always see them.

  • barbarella on 11/01/2020 - 14:11
    +6

    Yes….although you have right of way the other cars need to know which way you are going…

    • Euphemistic on 11/01/2020 - 15:04
      +5

      Sigh.

      No such thing as right of way. The other directions have signs showing who has higher priority to give way.

  • mbck on 11/01/2020 - 14:14
    +18

    Heres another advice

    GET INSURANCE

  • IceCreamBandit on 11/01/2020 - 14:17
    +8

    OP, imagine you're waiting at the Give Way wanting to go from left to right in your diagram.

    If an infinite (or just a large) number of cars flowed through your pink line without indicating and 'randomly' went right or left. What would you do? Chance it and go when you think it is safe and cause an accident (as you did not give way)?

    A lot of the time, indicating doesn't do anything for you but is informative and useful for others. In your case, it would greatly improve traffic flow to allow people to go through the Give Way then it is safe.

    • John Kimble on 11/01/2020 - 14:37
      +1

      But then the flip side is also you should never trust indicators or lack of indicators…a catch 22.

      • IceCreamBandit on 11/01/2020 - 15:01
        +3

        But then the flip side is also you should never trust indicators or lack of indicators…

        Of course, but indicators go some way in helping your decision making. In my scenario I'd keep waiting at the Give Way if a car went up the 'pink line' without indicators.

        If a car on the pink line was indicating left, I'd consider proceeding if I was satisfied that the car was definitely turning left.

        Safety first in any case.

    • field1985 on 13/01/2020 - 13:38

      "If an infinite (or just a large) number of cars flowed through your pink line without indicating and 'randomly' went right or left. What would you do? Chance it and go when you think it is safe and cause an accident (as you did not give way)?"

      Car's turning left are required to indicate because they are turning off the main road. Cars not indicating are continuing continuing along the main road (albeit around a bend) like any other road.

  • TheMindsetTraveller on 11/01/2020 - 14:25
    +6

    Hey OP, after you indicate at that intersection, go home and buy some comprehensive insurance - it is worth every dollar.

  • Corrugated Ironman on 11/01/2020 - 14:42
    +9

    Always indicate . Even if you think no one else is around. Always indicate.

  • cwongtech on 11/01/2020 - 14:45
    +38

    The Indicators are NOT FOR YOU, you can't see them.

    They are for OTHER cars and drivers to see your intention to turn

    Do it out of habit, it's a good habit to have.

    • Euphemistic on 11/01/2020 - 15:07
      +6

      Yes good habit.

      Occasionally I’ll catch myself indicting where I don’t need to, like turning off my parents driveway onto the grass to park. But I’d rather do it instinctively more than necessary than not do it and end up having a crash.

      • Muzeeb on 11/01/2020 - 15:25

        So that's you I saw doing that. You are a good safe driver.

      • capslock janitor on 12/01/2020 - 17:07
        +8

        Agreed, one thing I dislike are all the left turners going thru a roundabout that don't indicate.

        • wannagrababargain on 13/01/2020 - 11:29

          This one annoys me too! I would give you 100 + Votes if I could.

        • ely on 13/01/2020 - 21:31

          NZ requires people to indicate off a roundabout, which doesn't seem to be the rule in VIC at least (I have no idea, but do it anyway - practically nobody else does so I assume it's optional).

          https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/know-your-way-arou…

          • capslock janitor on 13/01/2020 - 23:10

            @ely:

            NZ requires people to indicate off a roundabout,

            Not exactly enforceable 24-7…anyway

            • ely on 14/01/2020 - 19:09

              @capslock janitor: Not sure what you mean.

              • capslock janitor on 14/01/2020 - 20:44

                @ely: how are they gonna catch everyone that doesn't indicate?

                • ely on 15/01/2020 - 18:51

                  @capslock janitor: How is that different from every other road rule? Or every other rule? Lack of 100% enforcement is no reason not to have rules.

    • capslock janitor on 12/01/2020 - 17:06
      +1

      What habit?

      I eat cheeseburgers in one hand, and browse OzBargain in the other.

      I steer with my knees!

    • gazzathegreat on 12/01/2020 - 19:26

      Totally agree cwongtech, It doesn't take too much effort to let everyone else know your intentions. If I had my way I would make using a indicator the law in the shopping centre carpark.This would stop so many prangs. How many times do you see idiots barrelling around the car park like their on a go-cart track and then pulling into a space at the last possible moment, with no indication, so no one else can get it.

    • field1985 on 13/01/2020 - 13:41
      -2

      If you are driving on a windy mountain road do you indicate left/right every time you round a bend? Why would you do it in a city?

      • pegaxs on 14/01/2020 - 21:29
        +1

        Let's see. Why would people choose to use their indicators more in the city than on a windy mountain road…

        Windy mountain highway;

        Not a lot of traffic
        Not a lot of intersections
        Usually single lane each way
        Most of the time, pretty quite
        No one is in a rush
        Not a lot of confusing signs
        "Wow. Only saw one cop car today"

        Inner city roads;

        Lots of other road users
        Lots of intersections
        Multiple lanes
        Converging lanes
        Diverging lanes
        Traffic islands with parking
        Busy, like sometimes "gridlocked" busy
        Driveways, driveways everywhere
        Everyone is in a rush
        Lots of idiot cyclists (Both bicycle and motorcycle)
        Lots of idiot drivers (Both car and truck)
        Signs. Everywhere. Signs for parking. Signs for speed. Signs for turning. Markings on the road. Lines, arrows, lights, hook turns, partial restrictions.
        "Holy crap, was that like the 5th cop car we've seen since leaving home?"

        All of that and the fact that OP said "despite the road ending" and offered a drawing where they did does not show a continuation of their lane. "Road ending" and "no continuation lines in drawing" is probably the biggest reasons people use their indicators in the city and not on 75km/h bends on country roads…

  • whooah1979 on 11/01/2020 - 14:48

    https://i.imgur.com/Fg2xKVm.png

    The other vehicles have to give way regards if you indicate or not.

  • whooah1979 on 11/01/2020 - 14:51
    +2

    Real life intersection.
    Brent St
    https://maps.app.goo.gl/g3YRot7wPPrL8Jo8A

    • lostn on 12/01/2020 - 20:42

      how did you figure out where it was just biased on that hand drawn diagram?

    • berger on 13/01/2020 - 09:12

      in this scenario, you can turn let or veer right. I would Indicate myself… better to be safe

  • Kail on 11/01/2020 - 15:04
    +5

    You are overthinking things OP, having right of way does not impact whether or not you need to indicate.
    You turned right from one street into another, therefore you needed to use your right indicator. Simple :)

    • bobbieb on 12/01/2020 - 18:34
      +2

      This.

      The question touches on a couple of different things…

      • Who gives way: If you're traveling along the path you've indicated, you can expect cars coming from either of the other two directions to give way to you.
      • Road continuity: If the road markings indicate that the T intersection is actually a bend in one road, and a side street intersecting in a way that looks like a 'T' like this, then you wouldn't be expected to indicate. Your mspaint doesn't indicate show any markings showing a bend in the direction that you were going, so you're technically still making a left hand turn, not following a bend in the road. To me, this means that you need to indicate.
      • Courtesy/Common Sense: The guys coming from the left are gonna appreciate a signal from cars actually exiting to the left and not continuing through.
  • Godric on 11/01/2020 - 15:22

    yep

  • Hardlyworkin on 11/01/2020 - 15:44
    +3

    Of you're on your Ps it will probably be hard to indicate when you're hanging it sideways around the corner whilst eating macas.

  • Hithere on 11/01/2020 - 15:54

    Do what many drivers do nowadays, indicate 1/2 way through the turn, other road users should know what you are thinking.

  • pegaxs on 11/01/2020 - 15:58
    +24

    Christ, someone needs to hand their licence back in…

    Aust. Road Rule 354 says:

    (1) A Provisional Plate driver only need indicate their direction if they have time to do so between updating their Instagram and their Snapchat followers.
    (a) Unless the provisional driver is driving a BMW, then they are exempt from this rule.

  • EFC94 on 11/01/2020 - 16:08
    +2

    Theres an intersection like this near where I live. Honestly sometimes I indicate, sometimes I don't.

  • Bourb on 11/01/2020 - 16:49
    +5

    Looking at your diagram you have 3 options.
    1. Go straight ahead and mount the gutter.
    2. Turn Left.
    3 Turn Right.

    So I don't understand the confusion, if you are going right then indicate so, that way everyone else on the road knows what you are doing.

    • ribbonsofnight on 12/01/2020 - 14:34
      +1

      If I plan to go straight ahead and off the road then should I put my hazards on?

    • field1985 on 13/01/2020 - 13:44
      -1

      Turning right is continuing along the main road/right of way. Why would you indicate?

  • [Deactivated] on 11/01/2020 - 17:23
    +2

    despite the road ending

    This should be your answer. If one road ends, simple inference is that you are entering another road.

    Which way are you intending to travel once on the new road?

    • lostn on 12/01/2020 - 20:48

      As others have said, if he drives a BMW (bonus points for M3 models) the rules are different.

    • field1985 on 13/01/2020 - 13:59
      +2

      The amount of people on this forum who are wrong is staggering. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO INDICATE.

      "You must indicate to let others know what you plan to do … before you turn left or right, or change lanes."

      You are not turning or changing lanes, you are continuing, and thus DO NOT NEED TO INDICATE.

      This RMS diagram (https://imgur.com/ALXzesm) clearly shows a T intersection where the continuing road goes around a corner.

      There is no requirement for Car A on the "continuing road" to indicate. Even RMS shows the car as NOT INDICATING.

      https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/int…

      About time we introduced retesting (at say 45 years of age) as there are clearly a majority who don't understand the rule(s).

      • [Deactivated] on 13/01/2020 - 14:05
        +1

        I looked at the the hand drawn diagram and based the comment of OPs comment. I don't know what you're looking at and you may be correct.

        OP clearly stated

        despite the road ending

        Therefore, your rant re…

        You are not turning or changing lanes, you are continuing, and thus DO NOT NEED TO INDICATE.

        … is clearly misdirected.

      • pegaxs on 13/01/2020 - 16:11
        +1

        The amount of people on this forum who are wrong is staggering.

        So you thought you would throw your hat in the ring and be wrong with the rest of them… good choice.

        This RMS diagram

        is irrelevant, because it's not the same as OP's drawing. (see what @tshow says above, re: road ending)

        You are not turning

        This is exactly what OP is doing in that drawing.

        Car A on the "continuing road"

        In OP's drawing, the road is "ending" as there are no markings to indicate that the road is continuing. So, until OP gives us a location or a Google Maps link, we don't really know "who" is right, but based on the (albeit very poorly done) drawing, you are in the wrong.

        This is an example based on OP's drawing. Notice the lack of any arrows or lane marking lines? Gilba street ends here. (This is related to OP's drawing.)

        This is an example of your "diagram". Notice the broken lines indicating the continuation of Boronia Ave into Kent St. (This is NOT related to OP's drawing.)

        Time to resit your driving test…

  • crentist on 11/01/2020 - 18:00
    +3

    You don't need to indicate, but you should anyway. It's a good habit

  • DashCam AKA Rolts on 11/01/2020 - 18:13
    -2

    As a P plater, for safety sake, please check your blinker fluid levels before you venture onto the road.
    If you have a BMW, the blinker fluid filler can be hard to find and you may need road-side assistance to locate it.

  • KSMLJ on 11/01/2020 - 19:11
    +7

    Did not look at the diagram, because it doesn't matter.

    Always indicate, whether you have to or not. Because you should!

    Doesn't matter if you are at a roundabout in the middle of Sydney or a desert town somewhere with a population of 1 stoned wombat, always indicate!

    Doesn't matter if you have right of way or not, or think you have right of way or not, always indicate.

    It's like the ultimate Ozbargain driving tip; it's free, and it reduces possibility of accidents, saves lives.

    They way most drivers are hoarding their blinkers, you'd think we were charged a dollar each time we used it.

    While we are on the topic, when indicating to merge into another lane, do give 2-3 seconds of headsup before merging.

    Flashing the blinker for half a nanosecond and cutting into the lane makes you almost as bad as the people who change lanes without indicating, or looking at blind spots.

    TL;DR - Develop the habit of always indicating, whether you have to or not.

    PS - Not sure if I mentioned this: ALWAYS INDICATE!

  • djones145 on 11/01/2020 - 21:03
    +3

    nope dont need to indicate
    infact why are u turning at all?
    place it on cruise control and let the car drive itself

    • pegaxs on 11/01/2020 - 21:09
      +2

      "Let Jesus take the wheel…"

    • Andard on 13/01/2020 - 14:14

      doesnt matter if your cars new or old put on cruise control and yell the address loudly simple

  • AirbusA389 on 11/01/2020 - 21:28
    -1

    should we revoke his P plate? this is basic common sense!

  • kawinuyo on 11/01/2020 - 23:25
    +4

    Hi! I saw your drawing and immediately thought of this street nearish to me.

    (link below, street view from google, plus the actual map of the road)

    https://imgur.com/a/itM9tji

    almost identical to your drawing where the road is stopped by two give way signs, however the only difference is the markings on the ground, even though the street looks like a T junction and you are turning right, the road markings show that it considers it ONE road, if there are markings like this on the ground I wouldn't indicate, otherwise I would imagine you have to.

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