Local pharmacy in Westfield has P2 masks 20 for $150 or $8 each. What a scam! Not too long ago on Amazon they had 20 masks for $11.11
Pharmacy P2 Mask Scam Prices
watwatwat on 02/03/2020 - 13:39
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Whoa, whoa, slow down, egghead.
More like Price Gouging
In this case, most certainly not
I thought this would be illegal?
Masks also aren't as protective as people are thinking.
At this point they'd buy sugar pills if you can convince them it is anti virals.
"These sugar pills are ""Traditionally"" used to prevent contravirus"
Done
Contra was probably one of THE best games back in the day. Classic!
Who could forget: ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA
Where can we get these placebos? Maybe, there's some in this truck!
Why would it be illegal?
What laws would it be breaking?
Couldn't tell you. I was naive in assuming unethical implied the breaking of a law.
What code of ethics is this breaking?
@[Deactivated]: What does a code of ethics have to do with being unethical?
You can still act unethical without the implementation of a code of ethics.
Unethical is completely subjective though, what I might think is unethical, you might think is completely acceptable and normal.
@[Deactivated]: Acting unethical and breaking an ethical code are not mutually exclusive… Infact your definition of unethical is just incorrect.
Unethical implies anything that is deemed morally incorrect, rather not correct morally.
I don't understand why you're attaching the word unethical with a code of ethics. E.g. Being ethical is a personal trait, following a code of ethics is something someone does to keep a job.
The moral reasoning behind it being unethical is simple in my personal opinion. They're price gouging. They're raising the price of something far beyond a reasonable or fair price and is exploitive.
Unethical implies anything that is deemed morally incorrect, rather not correct morally.
You need to reread this. Not correct = incorrect.
following a code of ethics is something someone does to keep a job.
I see why you're so confused. That's not an ethical code, those are workplace rules.
They're raising the price of something far beyond a reasonable or fair price and is exploitive.
That is a circular argument. It is exploitative because it is not reasonable. It is not reasonable because it is exploitative.
An example of an ethical code is "do no harm" - this has not done so. "Do not cheat" - the price is as marked. "
So exactly how is this unreasonable?
In terms of business, it is reasonable - people are still buying and they're not running at a loss.
In terms of law - they're not breaching any laws
In terms of ethics - apart from the circular argument of exploitation/unreasonable, how exactly is this facet of reason tainted?@[Deactivated]: tshow, there is a gap between what is happening in stores, what you believe is normal, and what the general community considers reasonable behaviour;
Price gouging for coronavirus fears;
Chinese vendors fined for hiking the price of protective masks as coronavirus fears spread
One store in the Chinese capital will be fined 3 million yuan ($639,850) for hiking the price of masks by almost six times the online rate amid the virus outbreak, the Beijing municipal market regulator said on Wednesday.
Amazon deleted 1 million items for price gouging or false advertising about coronavirus
Most US states have laws on the books that penalize merchants with steep fines and, in some cases, jail time for price gouging products like water and medical supplies during disasters and emergency situations
Price gouging during a bushfire crisis;
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"There are serious financial penalties for unconscionable conduct and those fines are $220,000 for an individual or $1.1 million for a corporation," he said. "What I can also do under the Fair Trading Act is name and shame individuals, and we will not hesitate to name and shame individuals who are profiteering from this crisis."
NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell warns landlords and retailers of price gouging due to bushfires
"This sort of low act will not be tolerated and I warn people even thinking about it that the NSW Government come after you," Mr O'Farrell said. "In the case of tradespeople, it could also result in the cancellation or suspension of your licence."
@jwh: China can do what they want. It is for that reason many of us do not want to live there. The same government uses that same power to cripple dissenters, sometimes even entire islands.
Amazon is a business. Good on them for taking action. That is well within the domain of a private citizen/entity to remove vendors that are operating outside of their discretion.
The two NSW articles didn't mention which laws they alleged some to be breaching. It is just a PR stunt.
Ps. Dont get me wrong, I do not like what is happening but calling something illegal or unethical doesn't actually help any cause. Also, just because we dislike something doesn't mean it is unethical/illegal.
@[Deactivated]: It's not a circular argument because you singled out a small section.
What's roughly being said is:
C. Their actions are unethical
1. Prices have been raised passed a reasonable point (price gouging)
2. They are exploiting peoples fears of the coronavirusAn example of an ethical code is "do no harm" - this has not done so. "Do not cheat" - the price is as marked. "
Unethical = breaking the ethical code.There aren't set 'codes' for ethics, it's whether or not you can argue something as right or wrong.
Something being legal doesn't necessarily make it ethical.
Prices have been raised passed a reasonable point
Who decides what is reasonable?
They are exploiting peoples fears of the coronavirus
They're not making any claims nor are they spreading the virus.
There aren't set 'codes' for ethics, it's whether or not you can argue something as right or wrong.
How can one argue and define right and wrong when there are no definitions? The code is the definition.
Something being legal doesn't necessarily make it ethical.
And something distasteful doesn't necessarily make it unethical either.
Anyway, the word you guys should use is unconscionable.
Who decides what is reasonable?
Comparative to historical prices, other means of availability, etc.
They're not making any claims nor are they spreading the virus.
Irrelevant
How can one argue and define right and wrong when there are no definitions? The code is the definition.
And that is a basis of a whole field of philosophical study. But in day-to-day setting you can ask whether or not an action causes more harm to others when weighed against alternate courses of action. Link the code if it exists.
Anyway, the word you guys should use is unconscionable
Unethical is a fitting descriptor.
@tetra: So reasonable price hike is set by looking at historical pricing. So what's the threshold of increase that turns reasonable into unreasonable? Who decides what that threshold is?
If someone raising the prices of non essentials during a time of demand is unethically exploitative, this means that practically every business with peak/off-peak pricing is exploitative.
The ethical code is for us to decide ourselves but it must apply universally to all scenarios we encounter. Failing to apply the ethical code universally is by very definition hypocritical. If your code is to condemn the above definition of "unethical exploitation" don't forget to apply the same standards when you are in a better position, ie paying off-peak rates or accepting penalty wage.
Unethical is a fitting descriptor.
If you think so, go ahead. It simply means that when you say something is unethical, it means nothing as it could include practically everything.
@[Deactivated]: You're being purposefully obtuse, your arguments are flawed and your peak/off-peak example is a false equivalency to the price difference we are talking about.
Go and look at all your replies, particularly to Frayin, bascially every comment you write you attempt to write-off the other person by attacking them instead of their arguments.
You talk here equating some 'ethical code' to universal ethics (an actual thing), yet your use above did not.
The ethical code is for us to decide ourselves
and yet you want us to specify what code we are talking about when we refer to the situation as unethical.
You talk about things confidently when you show a lack of knowledge.
Don't expect further replies.
bascially every comment you write you attempt to write-off the other person by attacking them instead of their arguments.
Name one instance.
Anyway, the word you guys should use is unconscionable.
The Oxford dictionary explanation of unconscionable is “not right or reasonable” and synonyms are “unethical” or “excessive”.
If you go back to the articles I linked they mentioned unconscionable conduct in regards to ACL.
The two NSW articles didn't mention which laws they alleged some to be breaching. It is just a PR stunt.
A guide to the Australian Consumer Law
The ACL prohibits conduct that is unconscionable. Unconscionable conduct includes trading practices that are harsh or oppressive and go against good conscience. To be considered unconscionable, the conduct must be more than simply unfair – it must be against conscience as judged by the norms of society.
So the words are all linked.
Also, just because we dislike something doesn't mean it is unethical/illegal.
In the case of ACL it can be against the law, if society deems it to be.
Amazon is a business. Good on them for taking action.
My guess is as a business they would not want to suffer a loss to their reputation, and are trying to fit in with societal expectations. The article also mentions that most US states have laws on the books to target these behaviours, and punish it with heavy fines/jail time.
synonyms are “unethical” or “excessive
Synonyms are not always interchangeable despite the word synonym being a synonym for interchangeable. Some words carry connotation and some carry context.
In the context of the discussion re law and ethics, unlawful and unethical are breaches of their respective philosophies.
My guess is as a business they would not want to suffer a loss to their reputation, and are trying to fit in with societal expectations.
That's spot on. I wouldn't want to do that either, perhaps motivated by conscience but truthfully, I cannot eliminate reputation as a motivator either.
The article also mentions that most US states have laws on the books to target these behaviours, and punish it with heavy fines/jail time.
When an article says there are many sources yets cites none, it means there are none.
When an article says there are many sources yets cites none, it means there are none.
We just have to find the examples ourselves, and this provides one.
Harvard Business Review - The Problem with Price Gouging Laws
It gives the economic arguments for/against price gouging as well as the legal side.
@jwh: That is an interesting bit of American law I am not familiar with, though I believe that isn't the case for most states.
It is practically unenforceable as cost of procurement and cost of operations can significantly change. An arbitrary cap of 10% increase makes little sense.
Historically, price gouging whilst on a personal level is distasteful, has overall positive outcomes. Increase in sale price means higher profits. High profits attract competition. Competition attracts innovation and efficiency.
Price capping, or more broadly protectionism receives more sympathy but does nothing moving forward.
Still, I believe Amazon as a business used their freedom tactfully and chose to act with compassion.
Ironic that the embodiment of capitalism doesn't fit the popular narrative.
Ps. This is why price capping doesn't work and any attempt to use an arbitrary moral standard for adjusting price is absurd.
@[Deactivated]: To @tshaw:
It is a difficult thing, to accept that something we "feel" should be wrong / illegal / fixed, should be defended from criticism on the basis of having strong principles. I can see that you are a careful thinker @tshow, and willing to stand your ground and hold onto principles even when it's far from being the popular opinion. For that alone I applaud you.To those who disagree:
Yes, it certainly "feels" like it is exploitative for a pharma to price-jack on desperately needed medical supplies. But let me ask you - if they didn't price-jack, then what do you think will happen once the first Broden comes along? By price matching demand, demand does not out-strip supply, so when you go into that pharmacy you will still find masks on the shelf, rather than going home empty handed. This is just one practical example, the link in the post above has some other good reasons.
Doesn't fit the definition of "illegal", nor the definition of "scam".
You don't even qualify for a armchair lawyer. Floor lawyer maybe.
Calm down fella, never said I was a purveyor of Law.
Also, it's an armchair, not a armchair.
Whoosh
"an armchair" would be slightly higher than "a armchair".
Illegal = sick raptor
Someone needs to tell Coles and Woolworths to stop putting up the price of bananas every time a cyclone goes through North QLD then
Do they put the price up by 15x ?
If an illegal price hike is marked by the magnitude of price increase, what is the defining number of increase that bumps a price into illegal territory?
How much was this pharmacy selling them for before?
They did once. I remember bananas being over $20 a kg at Safeway once upon a time.
Nah. All the medical teams wear masks. The masks significantly reduce transmission and can be effective PPE.
Your choice, but I am guessing "people"
are hedging their bets
Yeah. I wore a mask and my wife still got pregnant.
Did all of your wife's other contacts wear a mask too?
Masks are protective if they discourage you from touching the mucus membranes of your nose and mouth, which together with your eyes I read are the major entry points for this virus.
apparently the virus can live longer than I thought - hours - so if you touch any infected surface - hello door handles, table surfaces, public tap handles - and then touch your nose, mouth or eyes - most people do that at least 4 times a minute - then you are arksking for it
As above - supply and demand. Higher the demand, higher the price goes.
Not sure if it's 'illegal' in this case, as I wouldn't have thought there are any regulators for masks beyond the social-media justice.
Prices are so high because people started to use them up too early. It was like end of Jan when mask wearers started commonly appearing. There is no need to wear them in Australia right now. When the real threat comes they've used them all up.
The masks don't help anyway. Well, if you have the virus they'll help by stopping you sneezing over everyone.
You're probably better off staying away from Sneezy, wearing gloves and not touching your face.
they do help. if u wear them right and follow simple hygiene rules while wearing them and also dont get over confident while wearing it. they help alot.
but 90% of people fail all of those things.
so the mask actually spreads the virus more.y do u think patients wear surgical masks and doctors/nurses wear n95 masks in every video u ever see about corona?
because they help, and doctors know how to use them.y do u think patients wear surgical masks and doctors/nurses wear n95 masks in every video u ever see about corona?
because they help, and doctors know how to use them.Might want rethink your logic there Sparky.
Surgical masks stop you infecting others. A paper mask (like these) isn't that great because it doesn't seal properly. Ok for painting, not so good for staying flu-free.
You really want one with a rubber seal, and with replaceable filters. like I'm running a bit low on at the moment because of people like you, who even the US surgeon General has told to knock it off: https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/12337257852839321…
@D C: yeah… that what i said. patients wear surgical masks, they dont stop u from infecting people but they do help, opposed to zero mask
your running low??
because i bought masks?
when u just said people like me who buy masks are the problem. but u want some?…you might want to rethink your logic there champ.
if u actually read that tweet. hes clearly saying they DO WORK.
your running low??
I use them for work. Y'know, keeping dust & crap out of my lungs, not hoping they'll stop a virus. Can't even get the VOC filters thanks to the idiots.
Look up what a cartridge respirator is.
The ones people can easily buy are crap because they don't seal properly, and the filters aren't replaceable.
hes clearly saying they DO WORK.
No he's not. They won't help YOU much, eg because don't wash you hands every 10 minutes like the people who need them do. Who can't get them because guess why. And given the numbers of dead doctors & nurses, it's probably better to slap the masks on the patients as the masks work better that way.
Ah whatever, rename COVID-19 the 'Stupid virus' and we can all go down the tubes a bit faster.
Most of the P2 masks have a one way exhaust valve that lets you breathe out easily. This bypasses the filter.
The masks don't help anyway.
lol of course they help. Why do you think all those doctors and other medical staff are wearing them on the news.
Same reason they wear white coats.
There was actually an article recently about suppliers increasing wholesale cost
some suppliers have been referred to the ACCC who are investigatingThis
OP, unfortunately i don't think there is a law against this. And yes someone is definitely doing the wrong (unethical) thing, but not necessarily the shop (or pharmacy in this case), sometimes it's the supplier where the shops get them from. But don't get me wrong, there are definitely shops/pharmacies that just follow others price increase even if they manage to get it at a cheaper/normal price.
And yes someone is definitely doing the wrong (unethical) thing
You definitely do not have enough information to make this call.
I've read masks can actually create more problems and not actually offer any protection at all due to the droplet nature of the virus.
Which is why I bought this: https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B07Q1XDHSY/
Don’t get why people look at me scared when I walk into the post office or the bank.hahahaha
I think that this is probably the normal price for pharmacies, with their mark-up.
Last year, I had pneumonia and I checked out the price of normal surgical masks (not the much better P2s). A single mask in Chemist Warehouse was $5, but 50 bought online from China were only $9 each (18 cents each!).
So it doesn't surprise me that the going rate now for the P2 masks is $8. Not a scam, just business as usual for Aussie chemists.
PS I've sold all my spare 18 cent masks on eBay, they've been flying out the door at $2.
Still some stock at Bunnings, $7.20 for 3 pack - https://www.bunnings.com.au/protector-p2-dust-mist-work-mate…
Clear the shelves and put them up on eBay at 10x the price. You wont regret it.
way cheaper than toilet paper at $1000 a pack on gumtree …
Nah, thats dodgy as can be.
Is funny the natural response is 'oh well supply & demand' - ok but then where does that being ok stop and pricejacking to take advantage of a situation begin? e.g during natural disasters when people increase the supply of milk/bread.
Seems pretty much the same thing IMHO.
That all said, as others have alluded use of masks in Australia now is pretty daft - given they should be discarded after a single use, there's really no evidence of Covid in the general population and transmission via airborne is thought to be very minor compared to hard surface transmission.
Let the sheeple pay through the nose, there will be plenty of stock in a few weeks - buy then if you feel you must but definitely poor form by that business owner - I'd question them on the markup as I can't believe they'd be able to justify.
Higher price will discourage panic buyers from buying (or at least from buying too many), thereby leaving stock for the future.
This is the market in action.
Feel sorry for the tradies who actually need masks to safely perform their jobs.Don't feel sorry for tradies, they are swimming in cash.
Not a scam.
Stop using the word like it is intetchangeable for "business practice you do not like".
its not a scam, it is supply verse demand.
same reason pumpkin prices go nuts late octoberWe go through endless amounts of surgical masks (healthcare), our wholesale buy price in early January was 3.99+gst for a box of 50. Early feb it went to 10.99+, and now anywhere from 18+ to 399+ for the same box of 50 masks (again, wholesale price from the importer that they charge to us). Except now, most wholesalers/importers across australia are out of stock. We've been told most won't have new stock for 6-9 months - IF we're lucky.
Masks for individuals in the population to prevent acquisition of covid19 doesn't work, but it makes people feel better. (yeah, argue with that all you like).
What will really affect the general population is when doctors, nurses, surgeons, dentists can't treat you, because panic buying has left them unable to see patients as they lack PPE.
You're last point hits the nail on the head.
That’s already the case but GPs should not be having to oay for PPE out of their own pocket anyway.
Our clinic only has 1/2 box left. All suppliers out of stock wnd we received nothing from gov.
We got wind from our colleagues that there was some serious price jacking happening.
We ordered 3 month's supply immediately and managed to get them at our usual price.
Honestly, we're not too fussed. If push comes to shove, we'll still buy them but the appointment may incur a masking fee.
How can masks work for healthcare workers but not "individuals in the population"? Healthcare workers are individuals in the population.
We wear it predominantly to protect patients.
Surgical masks are glorified sneeze guards.
If we have unknowingly contracted a bug, any bug, we do not want it to spread. Also, our face typically has to be close to the patient.
If we cannot be supplied with masks, we cannot work. Fair enough, medical workers shouldn't be supplied masks to take home.
at what price for disposable masks would reusable cloth masks + laundry cost make sense?
It will also impact other industries (manufacturing, building and construction etc.) that use the P2 masks or respirators. As mentioned there is no stock available for purchase by a number of suppliers which started in December.
Surprised they still had stock.. how many did you buy?
Amcal in Sydney Domestic Aiport T2 was selling 1 piece at 9.90 AUD. The staff gave a sheepish yes when I asked.
Don't bother pay any cents for P2 mask. It just a plastic disc inside the valve. It opens as you inhale, it closes as soon as you stop inhaling. It's not good if it doesn't have that charcoal filter.
I hope you're not being serious!
He's not exactly wrong. How do people think respirators work?
And if it's got the wrong filter & doesn't seal properly on your skin you might as well not bother.
How do people think respirators work?
Which is part of Lexan's post is correct?
Firstly, the P2 mask is not simply a "plastic disc inside the valve". That valve is there to assist exhaling. It opens as you EXHALE (not inhale) and closes when you INHALE (not exhale).
Secondly, a P2 mask doesn't require "charcoal filter". So a charcoal filter doesn't make the filtering function better or worse, as long as it meets the P2 specification.
@bobbified: Most masks are useless as viruses are so small they go straight thru the mask, assuming the mask even seals.
An activated filter will neutralise bacteria & viruses (though they're mainly use is for VOCs), which many masks don't have as they're for particles, not chemicals.
As I said, he's not exactly wrong (bar having the valve around the wrong way).
People who work in labs use custom fitted masks - they're moulded to their faces. Or positive pressure masks, but that's another story. You can buy those easily enough too, wood turners use then. I've got one. Too uncomfortable.
Most masks are useless as viruses are so small they go straight thru the mask, assuming the mask even seals.
The virus itself is between 0.05-0.2 microns wide which is smaller than the level that N95 and P2 rated respirators are able to protect against (0.3 microns). However, the virus is always transported with saliva or other other bodily fluids, making it larger than 0.3 microns - hence they can be filtered by the respirators.
If the virus was able to go straight through as you say, all our healthcare workers would be screwed.
As with anything, they are only effective if used in accordance with the proper fitting instructions.
However, the virus is always transported with saliva or other other bodily fluids
Not necessarily. Many viruses are airborne, possibly flu types as well.
Besides, what happens to water droplets in the air? They evaporates… so how big is it then?
The only good thing is bacteria & viruses tend not to survive for long out in the open.
all our healthcare workers would be screwed
A lot of them have been. Air conditioning is a wonderful thing for reducing that.
they are only effective if used in accordance with the proper fitting instructions.
Ok for dust, not good enough for viruses.
Wash your hands, don't touch anything especially your face, become a hermit.
@D C: There has been no evidence of airborne transmission for this coronavirus.
A lot of them have been. Air conditioning is a wonderful thing for reducing that.
Airconditioning might help the person in the next room, but does nothing when the doctor's face is right next to a patient's!
Ok for dust, not good enough for viruses.
Why don't you ask the doctor's in the hospital why they wear these respirators?
Why don't you ask the doctor's in the hospital why they wear these respirators?
I'm sure you can figure it out by yourself.
Let's see… it's better than nothing, it stops the doctor infecting the patient, air-con also means positive pressure as used in isolation wards (where you'll end up if you catch OMG-PANIC-19, they get lots of vaccinations anyway etc etc
And if they're treating a highly infectious patient, I'm sure most of them are smart enough not to stick their face in your while asking you to cough.
But sure, go buy your designer mask: https://www.smh.com.au/business/small-business/8000-per-cent…. Yeah, that's really going to help protect you.
@D C: You don't find it interesting that the government and health experts are telling everyone that the masks are not effective, yet, they're still trying to stock up as many as they can for themselves? If you can't see what's going on, then you must be blind!
@bobbified: They're not stocking up on DUST masks. They're stocking up on SURGICAL masks for hospital use so doctors don't spit all over your guts when they've got you sliced up on the operating table.
They need to stock up because the MORONS are buying & hoarding everything in sight.
Including dummy paper? WTF? COVID-19 doesn't make you crap your pants, FFS.
2020 - the year of the frigging moron.
They're not stocking up on DUST masks
It is not the dust masks that the government is stocking up on. It is the P2/N95 respirators. They're telling everyone that it's not effective and want people to stop buying it.
This is from the US Surgeon General's twitter:
Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS!
They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!
(https://mobile.twitter.com/surgeon_general/status/1233725785…)Why is it NOT effective, yet puts them and our communities at risk if they can't get them?
They should just come out and say that there's not enough masks to go around, so leave it for the healthcare workers!
Why is it NOT effective, yet puts them and our communities at risk if they can't get them?
FFS.
P2/N95 are DUST masks!
Who uses DUST masks?
Builders, painters, masonry workers, insulation installers, concreters, miners, woodworkers - they're AT RISK people! They're the ones who need the DUST masks! Not YOU! They do f-all against viruses, but you're not going to get f-all done if the WORKERS can't get masks.
SURGICAL masks, as before, are for SURGEONS to use during SURGERY! To stop the surgeon, nurses etc infecting YOU! During surgery the staff are also wearing gloves, eye protection, hair nets, are scrubbed down beforehand, and in a sterile environment that is kept that way by filtered air conditioning.
If they are dealing with infectious patients, they increase the protection to match.
If they don't have the masks, they can't perform surgery as they risk infecting patients!
Are you really that dense as to not get it? How many pallets of dunny paper have you got?
P2/N95 are DUST masks!
P2/N95 respirators are appropriate for the majority of airborne precautions encountered in healthcare facilities.
P2/N95 respirators are also appropriate personal protective equipment (PPE) for all health care workers involved in aerosol-generating procedures when a patient is confirmed or suspected of having a disease that may be transmitted via the airborne route. Aerosol generating procedures may include (list is not intended to be exhaustive):
endotracheal intubation
nebulised medication administration
airway suctioning
bronchoscopy
diagnostic sputum induction
positive pressure ventilation via facemask
high frequency oscillatory ventilation.(https://www.health.qld.gov.au/clinical-practice/guidelines-p…)
Feel free to have a read of the full article. I've left it right here for you.
SURGICAL masks, as before, are for SURGEONS to use during SURGERY! To stop the surgeon, nurses etc infecting YOU!
Surgical masks are completely different to N95/P2 respirators. I'm not talking about surgical masks.
Are you really that dense as to not get it? How many pallets of dunny paper have you got?
You can sit there and throw as many tantrums as you like. I don't get insulted that easily.
appropriate personal protective equipment (PPE)
Along with other measures.
You get that, right? Not just the mask? We clear on that point?
I do lathe turning, I wear a P95 mask. I also have a vacuum sucking away sawdust, glasses and maybe a face shield.
Are you taking all that on the train with you as well?
P95 masks seal. Big deal. Unless they are fitted properly, they don't work against viruses (or VOCs etc).
Do an experiment.
Put on your new shiny mask, and spray some perfume.
You can smell that, right?
Congrats, you're dead.
Take the mask off, and smell your hands. Good job, dead again.
Do you want to know the real reason a mask may protect you? They stop you touching your face. That is, they reduce contact transmission.
You might as well wrap that pallet of hoarded dunny paper around your head. (Probably work better, actually.)
Unless they are fitted properly, they don't work against viruses (or VOCs etc)
Nooooo shit! You must be a genius!
In other words, when fitted properly (as per the manufacturer's instructions), they DO protect! Glad we can agree on my original point! :p
It only filters incoming air. When you breathe out it goes out unfiltered. Might stop you getting infected but won't stop you infecting others.
Hand sanitizers are triple t he price too. I ask if they are running out and they said no, still have stock.
still have stock coz they tripled the price. lol
And they blame the internet for lack of custom.
These people make ample profit.
Why should you pay for their annual Bali get-away
The same people who buy up these things in bulk are often on-selling them online and making an even larger profit.
I'd prefer to be sh!tty at those scum people than the retailers.
Why should they make all this undeclared income and get away tax free?(replace masks with your choice of things pillaged from Australia, baby formula, vitamins, real estate, businesses, toilet paper? haha)
What brand? If its 3M with a valve on it, thats normal. Its just noobs that never really buy or use them now start complaining because of the virus and how expensive they are.
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supply and demand..