[NSW] 6.6kW Q-Cells Duo 300w Split Cell and 5kW Fronius Primo Inverter for $3,999 Installed OR $45/Fortnight @ Green IOT

AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 09/05/2020 - 20:10 files.ozbargain.com.au (544 clicks)
Last edited 03/06/2020 - 17:55 by 1 other user

Have been with OZ Bargain for almost 10 years. My first post on the Solar system.

Deal Inclusions:
Supply and Install 22*300W (6.6kW) Q Cells Q Plus Duo BFR-G5 (Engineered in Germany) and Fronius Primo 5kW single-phase inverter.
Finance option available at $45/Fortnight for 5 Years with.Zero upfront cost or deposit required.

We are an accredited installer(CEC ACCREDITATION NUMBER- A3503011) and NSW Contractor License: No.346121C.
Google Review https://g.page/green-iot?gm

Feel free to email on [email protected] or call on 1300 211 230 during the weekdays.

We also have Longi/Jinko/Trina/Sunpower/Canadian/LG panels and Growatt/Goodwe/Sungrow/Huawei/ABB/Fronius inverters available.

Warranties
Panels output warranty: 25 years.
Panels product warranty: 12 years.
Inverter Warranty: 10 years

PRICE INCLUSIONS
-Solar system installation and commissioning.
-Solar system will be connected to the Grid
-Workmanship warranty
-Government rebates
-Meter application will be done by us after the solar installation to allow electricity supplier to upgrade your meter
-TIN/TILE/CLAMP LOCK roof

Extras
-Double Storey: $150
-Upgrade to Three-phase inverter: $400
-Travel > 70km radius from Sydney CBD

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2 Jun 2020

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Gumbootboy on 09/05/2020 - 20:20

I bought a house with Solar, it was working, but now it's not. Any tips?

I hear there are lots of dodgy companies, how do you figure out the ones that aren't?

I figure if I call someone out to have a look, I'll be paying a call out fee, they'll tell me something expensive needs replacing, I'll have no idea what they are talking about, and want to research it before just paying up, so would end up need to pay another call out after that.

If something expensive needs replacing I wasn't sure if it might be worth adding more panels at the same time if we were going to have to pay anyway.

Would a deal like this be able to work with a system that already exists?
- AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 09/05/2020 - 20:29
  
  -1
  
  Hi Gum,
  
  I will suggest to remove the old panels and inverter to get new solar system installed.
  
  Please check us on Google Review https://g.page/green-iot?gm
  
  The panel and inverter brand in this deal is the mid-high tier you can find on the market.
  
  Not suggest to repair the existing system if it is not in the warranty period.
  
  The cost to install a new system is much lower.
  
  With the current satellite map, 90% chance you do not need a site inspection, we will be able to tell you what the exact panels layout will be.
  
  Please feel free to send your address to [email protected] and I will have a look.
  
  Regards,
  Ted
- Steptoe on 09/05/2020 - 20:40
  
  +2
  
  Depends how old the system is. May still be under warranty? Is the inverter showing a fault?
- Gumbootboy on 09/05/2020 - 20:49
  
  Cheers, both for the replies.
  
  We bought the place about 5 years ago, and it was already on the roof. It may be 'mid-high' tier panels (from the time it was installed), but could just as easily have been cheap and I wouldn't be able to know. I don't have any purchase details or anything like that. Would there be a way to figure out if it's still under warranty by looking at the actual hardware? I suspect it won't be under warranty though.
  
  The inverter doesn't show a fault as far as I can tell. It can be turned on, and cycle through the options by they all just show zero.
  - AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 09/05/2020 - 20:57
    
    +1
    
    Thanks Gum, if you message me your address I will have a look at the satellite map and see if worth keeping the existing system. It's easy and cheap to replace a faulty inverter, but when the panel string goes wrong, will cost a lot of $$$ to fix.
  - tunzafun001 on 09/05/2020 - 21:19
    
    +1
    
    Is it turned on inside the meter box as well as having all isolators on (including isolators up on the roof). Sounds like the likely scenario to me.
    
    Alternatively No flashing error code/ number on the inverter? My system doesn't work when it rains. It shows voltage, but the inverter flashes and a number pops up at the bottom. I looked up the inverter manual and established it has a "ground fault", meaning electricity has found its way to ground outside the wires. So likely to be water entering a panel, a panel connector, or one of the isolators. At sundown I found 2 cables had come out of the cable ties and were resting on the roof itself under the panels. So I re tied them back up, checked inside the isolators (all dry) but duct taped an ice cream container over them anyway. All working fine now in the pouring rain this week.
    
    BUT did notice the panels aren't performing and a couple are full of 'snail trails' and hotspots. They are Q Cells. Supposed premium German made panels! 8 years old, in warranty and turned to $hit already. Q Cell say there is no warranty claim as the snail trails are normal. As per conversation with Q cell I promised to tell everyone to avoid them. So here is another opportunity.. get Jinko panels or similar.
    - Gumbootboy on 09/05/2020 - 21:32
      
      Cheers for the feedback, I didn't know there would be isolators on the roof, but it was all working at one time, and I don't think anything on the roof could have been turned off, unless something could do it unintentionally (weather, animals, ,etc)?
      
      I'm not expert (or anywhere near), so I'm not sure exactly what the swtiches do, but I have one for the inverter, and one in the power meter box, and have tried all the combinations for them the see if any work or do anything differently, but nada.
      
      I can get a few more details tomorrow, brand names, any error codes (but I don't recall any) etc.
      - tunzafun001 on 09/05/2020 - 21:36
        
        +1
        
        @Gumbootboy: Roof isolators need to be turned off manually. Anyone been up there you may have forgotten about? No animal would do it by accident. So can probably rule that out.
        
        Other than that, your system might have a fuse up there. My parents system has a fuse that trips once a year.
        
        Gumbootboy on 09/05/2020 - 21:38
        
        @tunzafun001: Cheers, definitely worth checking, not that I know it's a possibility, I'll have a look.
        
        tunzafun001 on 09/05/2020 - 23:25
        
        @Gumbootboy: Be careful with DC power. No second chances. Isolate everything and don't touch during daylight..or even better, get someone in to replace it.
      - AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 09/05/2020 - 21:44
        
        @Gumbootboy: Each solar panel string on rooftop needs to have 1 unit of DC isolator installed.
    - midlake on 09/05/2020 - 23:03
      
      @tunzafun001 So why isn't it covered under warranty if they don't work any longer?
      I have been thinking about getting solar panels but am concerned the effort v value won't pay off and the last thing I want is go get something that is more complicated and expensive to fix.
      Is the other issue that your panels don't work and you haven't recovered the cost or are you just saying you would only get jinko or similar if you were to get new ones?
      This may also be a stupid question, but do i then need to also pay for a new meter and powerboard? we currently have a very old power board with ceramic fuses.
      - tunzafun001 on 09/05/2020 - 23:33
        
        @midlake: Basically Q cells blaim the installer, the installer no longer exists (well under the same name anyway), the installer if they did exist would blaim the transport company or circle back to manufacturer.
        
        I 100% say yes, get solar panels. Its so cheap now, it's a no brainer, for example, my system was $17000 and only 3.8kw. Just dont pay a premium for "German panels". A good quality Chinese panel is just as good, if not better.
        
        As for a smart meter, that 'should' be covered by your energy retailer.
        As for your old fuse box, yeah that needs replacing at around $1000. But you will now have extra safety which is worth it in itself
        
        midlake on 09/05/2020 - 23:36
        
        @tunzafun001: Thanks very much for the info, it’s very helpful.
        Sucks about your panels and the hassle but good to hear it pays off in the long term (if all goes well).
        
        tunzafun001 on 09/05/2020 - 23:45
        
        +1
        
        @midlake: Not a big stress, I could easily replace the dud panels with second hand panels and be back to max output for under $500. But shouldnt really cost me a cent. However, I signed up to a battery deal that basically comes with free 6.6kw panels.
temporiser on 09/05/2020 - 20:31

do you do work in the ACT?
- AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 09/05/2020 - 20:41
  
  Hi Temporiser, Thanks for the inquiry, the mobilization cost will be ~ $700.
User2049 on 09/05/2020 - 20:40

Is there a reason your company is not listed on solarquotes?

Do you service the Central Coast?

Do you charge extra for tile roof?
- Steptoe on 09/05/2020 - 20:41
  
  +5
  
  You realise Solarquotes charges for referrals?
  - AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 09/05/2020 - 20:48
    
    +2
    
    Spot on, Solarquotes referrals are not free, While OZB and google are.
  - User2049 on 09/05/2020 - 22:32
    
    Is it not free to be listed on the site, I like the verification process they enlist to very reviews.
- AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 09/05/2020 - 20:46
  
  Hi Uskompuf,
  
  We are just not interested in solar quotes review as we trust google review. If it's necessary, easy to get us listed on Solar Quotes.
  
  We do service the Central Coast area.
  
  We do not charge extra for Tile roof/ terracotta roof.
Alexander420 on 09/05/2020 - 20:56

I have sent you a PM
UncleRico on 09/05/2020 - 20:58

Intrigued. Have never heard of these guys before, but seems a good price for a Fronius-based 6.6kW set-up.

Any options for higher-spec'ed panels? I think I can only fit 20x panels, so am looking for 320-330w panels if possible to get the best yield for a single story tile 6.6kW install in Emu Plains.

Cheers OP. Will watch for comments and reviews.
- AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 09/05/2020 - 21:08
  
  +1
  
  Thanks Rico, we service Emu Plains.
  
  For 320-330w panels, you can have 6.6kw Q Cells Q-MAXX 330w + Fronius for $4500, and 6.6kw Longi HIMOX LR6 350w /Jinko 370w + Fronius for $4300.
  
  These are all world's top 5 panels manufacture in the commercial areas.
  - UncleRico on 09/05/2020 - 21:10
    
    Thanks for the quick response.
    
    What kind of lead time are you operating off currently? Also, what is your role with the company?
    
    I don't mean to pry, but always looking to support goo,d long-standing Ozbargain members…
    - AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 09/05/2020 - 21:14
      
      +1
      
      Hi Rico, I am the CEC accredited designer of Green IOT, and the current lead time is 3 weeks.
      - UncleRico on 09/05/2020 - 21:34
        
        @Solar 123: Cheers. Now you've given me some food for thought!
        
        I know Q Cells by reputation, but thought the Q Plus Duo BFR-G5 were a 290w panel, meaning the quoted system would only be 6.38kW not 6.6kW?
        
        Understanding that Longi and Jinko are not quite in the same paddock, quality-wise - what would your recommendation be for the 4 listed options if it was your own place?
        
        Oh - and I think you neglected to add "solar energy system" to your tags. If you edit your listing and add it in then, you might get a few more hits for people searching for a system. Cheers.
        
        AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 09/05/2020 - 21:40
        
        +1
        
        @UncleRico: Hi the Q Plus Duo BFR-G5 is a 300w panel.
        
        This OZB so I will recommend Longi / Jinko / Canadian/ Trina for the best value of your $. These brands dominate commercial solar farms.
        
        You will not see many Qcell/REC/LG panels in commercial solar farms as they cost more $$ but do the same job.
        
        UncleRico on 09/05/2020 - 21:45
        
        @Solar 123: Cheers,
        
        I gather there must be some Q-Cell sales rebates on offer at present, because there has been a sudden glut of offers using their panels which were previously considerably more expensive. Hopefully this isn't reflected in any QC issues.
        
        Very interested, not least of which are your candid and responsive answers to my and others questions. Have sent email and will look forward to talking for a firmed up quote (and hopefully order!).
        
        AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 09/05/2020 - 21:48
        
        @UncleRico: Not really… because of marketing and solar quotes, Qcell + Fronius is more popular.
        
        We install all other good value panels/inverters.
[Deactivated] on 09/05/2020 - 21:02

Hi, quick question. Is there a limit to how many kw a system can feed into the grid per day and is so is it affected by installing a second inverter? I've been looking into a system but a friend mentioned this today, not sure if he's accurate.
- AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 09/05/2020 - 21:11
  
  Hi, some retailers dont have limit to how many kw a system can feed into the grid per day and others have.
  
  AGL offers the best feed-in tariff 21c/kwh in NSW and doesn't limit to feed into the grid as far as your total inverter size do not exceed 10kw.
  
  If your 1st inverter and 2nd inverter total size not exceed 10kw, you will be safe for the high feed-in tariff.
Meganinja on 09/05/2020 - 21:16

I had a solar system installed by captain Green 6 years ago , I believe they took goverment rebate already, few months ago the house demolished to build new one, and I left the solars on roof ( costly to move them ) , will I still get government rebate again ?
- AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 09/05/2020 - 21:34
  
  Yes you will still get the same gov rebate after install the new system. Actually, each property can get upto 100kw gov solar rebate.
semaj94 on 09/05/2020 - 21:30

Hi, we have an old system and want to upgrade, do you guys charge a fee to remove the old system?

Interested in Longi/Jinko panels + Fronius inverter combination but your email wasn't working
- AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 09/05/2020 - 21:33
  
  Apologies, the email should be [email protected].
  
  More than welcome to email your details and get a quote.
  - semaj94 on 09/05/2020 - 21:47
    
    Hi,
    I've sent you an email, may consider a Huawei inverter as well or the Fronius.
    Cheers
donkcat on 09/05/2020 - 21:30

When you compare this to the Vic deal posted earlier you really have to question how Vic tax payers are getting value for money from the generous rebate.
This deal uses a better inverter (worth about 1k more), they both use good Qcell panels but different models but I'd take these ones because they're split cell and this system is also a larger capacity 6.6KW vs 6.38KW. Yet this system is $483 cheaper from an out of pocket sense and that's not including the $1888 Vic government rebate the other system has already accounted for. So the real figure is the Victorian system is worth $6370 for a worse inverter and smaller system. It's worth pointing out this system does receive about $500 more in STC rebates than Vic due to different zoning, but the difference in the systems is a lot more than $500.
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/536554
acs007 on 09/05/2020 - 21:36

+1

Can anyone recommend a supplier for Newcastle?
- User2049 on 09/05/2020 - 22:33
  
  MJ Solar Solutions
  - bhutcho on 10/05/2020 - 15:36
    
    MJ are good but are a little expensive. Twin Solar are worth a try. Delta Electrical seem to get good reviews as well. Would be interested with who you go with as I'm in the same area and looking to purchase as well.
    - User2049 on 10/05/2020 - 17:21
      
      I found you can negotiate a decent amount with MJ to the point where the slight premium is worth it.
idalla on 09/05/2020 - 21:59

On the off chance, can anyone recommend a solar option for Hobart that doesn’t inexplicably cost a fortune?
resisting the urge on 09/05/2020 - 22:32

Good post @lwzdew;

I have a NSW property with 2 dwellings (two separate bills and two 3 phase meters). I want to switch back to a single meter, and just have one bill covering both dwellings.

Given that there's enough roof to fit 2x 6.6kw systems, am I best to stick with the two meters? Are the RECs the same if I put 13.2kW of panels on one 10kW inverter (with special authorisation from Ausgrid), compared to installing 6.6kW of panels and a 5kW inverter, on each of the separately billed dwellings?

The roof is @3 degrees azimuth, and is split in two. One section is inclined 10 degrees North (can take up to 21 modules), and the other is inclined 10 degrees South, and will take 12.

With a 43 panel configuration I am thinking the panels should be higher capacity (>350W), as the system has no hope of generating full power, the South roof won't do very much.

If using a single 10kW inverter, 18-21 panels will be on one MPPT. Best arrangement would be two (or even three?) small 5kW inverters, as this would mean double the MPPTs, and allow less impact from the early/late shading. So the optimum solution would really be 2x6.6kW systems with one extra inverter (a third one), allowing one inverter on each phase and lower utilisation of the inverters, rather than more.

What would be best? 1 big system, or 2 small ones?
- AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 10/05/2020 - 00:02
  
  Hi there,
  
  Basically, two * 6.6kw panels +5kw inverter systems and one* 13.2kw panels + 10 kw inverter generates the same amount of electricity.
  
  Two 5kw inverters can connect to two separate meters respectively, while one 10kw inverter can only connect to one meter.
  
  Two 5kw inverters have 4 MPPTs, and will allow you install on upto 4 roofs, while one 10kw inverter only has 2 MPPTs, and only allow you install on 2 roofs.
  
  Two 5kw inverters will cost you couple of hundreds of dollars higher than one 10kw inverter.
  
  Above are the key differences.
  - resisting the urge on 14/05/2020 - 12:29
    
    Thank you. Wouldn't 5kW 3-phase meters cost a lot more than one 10 kw one? I was thinking 2 single phase meters, or even better, 3 so it can feed in to all 3 phases.
    - AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 14/05/2020 - 12:48
      
      Two 5kw single phase inverter cost slightly more than one 10kw three phase inverter. In terms of financial impact from solar, single phase inverter and three phase inverter work exactly the same.
      - resisting the urge on 14/05/2020 - 15:27
        
        @Solar 123: I've always thought it depends on how much power the dwelling consumes via each phase during generating hours.
        
        If using power evenly across all three, daytime grid consumption may be double what it would be if you had everything on a single phase. In my book the return can be significantly reduced for many using 3 phase, even those who optimise usage patterns
        
        AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 14/05/2020 - 16:25
        
        @resisting the urge: Not really. The 3-phase smart meter average the input, and evenly distribute to household load.
        
        With the traditional meter, I agree that you need solar generation in each phase. However, after the retailer smart meter is installed, doesn't really matter your solar generation is on a single-phase or 3 phases.
bezanel on 10/05/2020 - 01:51

How’s this in comparison to the deal posted here.
This ia an offer I found googling your company
6.6kw Longi and Growatt from $3499 Fully Installed
Valid 2/27/20, 12:00 AM - 5/31/20, 12:00 AM
- Steptoe on 10/05/2020 - 06:30
  
  Did see that one too. The Fronius costs at least $500 more at wholesale cost than Growatt. I’m sure you could get OP’s deal here cheaper if you went to a lesser brand panel if you want the Fronius.
BenMHarvey on 10/05/2020 - 07:17

+9

Guys regardless of how good things sounds so many warning signs here:

Avoiding solar quotes sticks out

Google reviews 39 5 star reviews 2 months ago, 6 5 star reviews a month ago. Nothing recent. Also the names of the Google reviewers all stick out to me you can buy Google reviews and these look bought to me!

Website displays no ABN whatsoever.

My end result is this is a new company who has bought Google reviews and that kind of says to me this is someone who takes shortcuts…..

Deals and shortcuts will cost you more in the long run
- BenMHarvey on 10/05/2020 - 07:28
  
  +4
  
  ABN listed for their company website is 70631283737 (a year old…)
  
  Registrant: Union solar
  Registrant ID: ABN 70631283737
  
  Company name registered to the website is Union Solar Pty LTD, a quick Google shows they've got a second website https://www.weenergy.com.au/
  
  Which is registered to:
  
  Registrant: GREEN IOT PTY LTD
  Registrant ID: ABN 16634083622 (less than a year old)
  
  Looks like maybe they got all their details back to front between their 2 fronts
  - BenMHarvey on 10/05/2020 - 07:42
    
    +2
    
    BTW your personal history shows nothing about working in the solar industry mostly Telecoms and currently working for the NBN if your LinkedIn profile is anything to go by.
- quasi on 10/05/2020 - 09:39
  
  +2
  
  thanks for the investigation. very helpful
  yep, definitely look like a new outfit. not clear if own installers or not. not on Solar Quotes because they probably wouldnt have passed Finn's criteria yet.
  personally, if I was looking for a cheap option with high quality kit, I'd go with SPN rather than someone like this. or budget $1k-$2k to go with a better established installer with own teams and good reviews everywhere. I'm currently busy trying to flip coin between those 2 options & not tempted at all by this offer. sorry OP!
  
  not a neg for me though as its still a good price for those that want cheap and willing to take a risk on the install.
  - BenMHarvey on 10/05/2020 - 09:55
    
    +1
    
    The neg is tough but there's things being hidden and that's a warning sign the bargain is not real.
    
    They'll be using cheap subbies to do the job based on the owners work history on linkedin
onewayhollywood on 10/05/2020 - 08:24

Any deal for a 10kw system?
bezanel on 10/05/2020 - 10:32

+2

I found an old ozbargain post - https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/483479/comments
Amongst the comments they highly recommended ahe group.

https://www.solarquotes.com.au/installer-review/ahe-group-pt…

Here’s a interesting video from a member
https://youtu.be/ZzS2Y7QPKXY

+9 votes
Gzusfreak on 15/09/2019 - 07:50
Thought I'd add my 2c regarding solar.

I purchased mine last year (not from the OP), and did quite a bit of research before pulling the trigger.

5 things to consider in my opinion:

Installer quality and reviews on solarquotes.com.au - the reason for this is mainly for inconvenience. You may get a cheap price but the inconvenience of things going wrong, leaks, etc might cost you more in the long term. Remember, this is typically a once in a 10 year investment, you want to make sure it can last a while.

Check pvoutput.org - what I find as a great indicator of whether you can trust your combo/setup for your area, is going to pvoutput and using their search to look at your postcode, and find others who have recently uploaded their solar data, and then check out what panels and inverter they have. You'll then get the most accurate indicator of how much you might generate based on your location and orientation.

Wifi / smart meter - I think this was the best investment for me. You can monitor everything down to when a light switches on, the amount of increased power used vs your Central heating etc.

Time lag for grid connection - once it's installed, the setup gets checked by some independent auditor. They don't actually go on your roof (I don't think) but this takes a while depending on the demand and supply of these guys. I think from installation to grid connected, it took about 2 months for me. Be conscious of this.

Get a quality inverter, as I've read that these tend to break faster than panels, so make sure that warranty from the manufacturer is 10 years.

Fyi, I've posted a few videos on my setup on YouTube (https://youtu.be/ZzS2Y7QPKXY)
- lovebargain87 on 10/05/2020 - 12:26
  
  Thanks for sharing some good insight!
UncleRico on 14/05/2020 - 18:54

Hi OP,

Hoping you might be able to offer some comment regarding the concerns listed above.

I was quite interested and remain keen to install a system, but am nhow in two minds after the points above in addition to the quote I received after emailing [email protected] as you directed, came back at $4,150 for a 5.7kW system comprising only 19 Q Cell 300w panels - more than what you reference in this post, which I quoted to your CEC accredited designer, Ted…
- AssociatedSolar 123 @ Green IOT on 15/05/2020 - 15:44
  
  Hi Rico, I have checked your address and the quote is 5.7kw 19*Qcell 300w + Fronius 5kw = $4150.
  
  The $150 variation is on double story installation charge which I have mentioned in the deal.
  
  Your house can only fit maximum of 13 panels on northeast roof and 6 panels on the northwest roof. The price doesn't drop when you install fewer panels.
  
  We do not know the OP named BenMHarvey always give negative comments, and we also do not know the person in nbn.
  
  I guess these comments are from a competitor.
  
  Anyway, we have signed up a few clients from OZB and they will add their comments here after installation.
  
  As a fact, we have all licenses required as a solar company and we use in-house electricians to do a quality installation. You can not even found one single complaint case against Green IOT from industry Ombudsman (CEC) and Fair trading.

This was posted 4 years 1 day ago, and might be an out-dated deal.

[NSW] 6.6kW Q-Cells Duo 300w Split Cell and 5kW Fronius Primo Inverter for $3,999 Installed OR $45/Fortnight @ Green IOT

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