Using the 'frequently bought together' thing half way down this page.
$299 plus shipping is excellent for this drive in m.2 form factor. Around $360+ in local stores.
CamelCamelCamel.
That means significantly slower
*** Only in benchmarks and large file copies.
For regular computing, gaming you wont notice any difference.
People do things other than gaming on their PC. There is a small difference even in game load times for some games adn it might not be worth the premium but that doesn't make my advice to check PC/motherboard compatibility and realize that you shouldn't compare a premium NVME drive's price to a SATA drive any less true.
Agreed.
Small load difference of 0.5 seconds for a 15 second load time.
Significantly slower on the first time you transfer your entire OS, but it’s still going to be one shower or a quick lunch time and it’ll be complete.
@ATangk: Depends on the game and the drives you're comparing, but it's not going to be a huge difference..
For some people 10 seconds on a 1.5 minute load is enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AYextvB9l4&t=279s
Here's a test that shows almost no difference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3AMz-xZ2VM
My main point is that you should not be paying the same price as an NVME drive for SATA.
@syousef: Over 1.5 mins - 10 seconds between nvme and ssd, but 13 seconds between ssd and hdd. I don’t think the hard drive is the limiting factor here. Most load times are not like this, don’t need to pick and choose a single case to back up your point.
Also, when do you see NMVe drive 2Tb for this price? M.2 Sata is inevitably cheaper. Also they fit more older laptops.
@ATangk: What did I just say my main point was? Hint: It wasn't the load time. It's right there in the last sentence. I don't think you could have been more hypocritical with the "don’t need to pick and choose a single case to back up your point." nonsense. Besides the difference is what it is, and it's not a unique case.
@ATangk: More with the straw men. I said people should be aware what they're buying in terms of prices and compatibility. You're kinda making my point for me. NVME and SATA shouldn't be compared and aren't the same.
Are you done hounding me yet?
@syousef: Nope, your entire point is telling people to spent more to get a slight performance boost. But more in this case is at least $100-$200, which is not good advice for general users. Anyone who needs the advantage of an NVMe drive doesn’t need you to tell them the difference between a sata drive and NVMe, chances are they already know. The best thing you can do is tell us the cheapest price for a 2Tb NVMe drive.
Nope, your entire point is telling people to spent more to get a slight performance boost. But more in this case is at least $100-$200, which is not good advice for general users
No that is not my entire point. I didn't actually say what people should buy. I saw a large number of posts for NVME drives over the past weeks and now this SATA drives and worried that people who aren't into computers wouldn't know the difference.
That is fact how you have read my entire point though. My guess is that you either feel ripped off paying for an NVME in the past and then realizing you won't get much better performance than SATA or that you bought SATA and feel the need to justify it. Regardless of you're on some crusade against NVME, I don't see you chiming in on every deal in the past weeks and months for an NVME drive to tell people to stay away. Yet you feel the need to go on and on and on about this.
Anyone who needs the advantage of an NVMe drive doesn’t need you to tell them the difference between a sata drive and NVMe,
The VERY first words of my post were "For those who aren't too tech obsessed".
The best thing you can do is tell us the cheapest price for a 2Tb NVMe drive.
You continually fail to acknowledge the points I made about compatibility and comparing prices because it doesn't suit the narrative of your childish attack. Get yourself a damn hobby and leave me the hell alone.
@syousef: What kind of comparing prices is
My main point is that you should not be paying the same price as an NVME drive for SATA.
Its not the same price - at all.
@ATangk: People who aren't PC obsessed are not necessarily going to know that after a flood of NVME posts and then one SATA post. Which is why I made my 2 sentence comment.
Are you just trolling me dude? Seriously! Get over yourself!
@ATangk: I bought an Intel 660p 2TB NVMe drive pre-corona for $315 so they’ve been near this price in the past. Doubt you’ll find it now so this is an ok deal.
@FireRunner: I nearly bought a Sabrent Rocket Q 2Tb for $349 pre covid and thought nah it'll keep coming down in price…. doh.
Breathe guys :) Is this COVID-19-Anger or something?
Boot time is significantly faster.
True but generally misleading advice.
Which part is misleading? That you need to check compatibility on the motherboard for the type of drive you're buying? Or that you shouldn't pay NVME prices for a SATA drive?
I swear trying to help the Ozbargain community is like trying to clean your genitals with a drill. You know it's going to be painful and end badly.
Dramatic much?
@FabMan: I'm seriously sick of being slapped down for no good reason. I once posted a review as a part of posting a deal and someone here whined that a router doesn't need a review. About every 3rd time I post anything but a joke I regret wasting the effort.
@syousef: Yes, but people can add a helpful caveat to your post when necessary, you don't need to defend your posts.
@FabMan: That wasn't a useful caveat. It was a one line "that is misleading" with zero detail. So full of it.
@syousef: I wasn't talking about that. Skramit gave useful information and you defended your post when it wasn't necessary. Atangk made a point and you then went on to defend your post again. Your post was useful, you got upvoted for it, no need to defend someone adding on to it.
It's misleading because what you are trying to say is that there is a significant technological difference between the two and speed is a major factor, but in real life situations there is close to no difference. I have a long history of pc building and own multiple nvme and m2 data drives.
When giving this kind of advice, you should also mention that there is minimal real world difference.
@shiny1: Try sticking a SATA drive in an NVME only slot or vice versa and tell me there is no difference.
Also tell someone comparing a premium NVME drive pruce to SATA3 after they bought.
Sick of defending myself. The lot of you can go fly a kite.
@syousef: You need perspective. What good is a fraction of a second in load times in everyday use? Most people don't move large files.
@shiny1: You need perspective. At what point did I say that people must choose one type of drive or another? People need to be aware what they're buying and how it compares to the rest of the market. And they need to check if it is compatible with their machine.
@syousef: Agree with you completely. It's like they all think every OzBargainer is an everyday user when that's so far from the truth.
@Clear: Frankly I think they just like snarking at people to feel better about themselves on an Internet forum. I never understood why people felt the need for validation that way.
At no point did I say you should not buy this drive. I just said people need to understand it's slower than the other deals and check it is compatible. That should never have kicked off this s**t show.
Using the 'frequently bought together' thing half way down this page.
Is this a hack?
There a bit of discussion in other deals posted last night (Ryzen 3800X for example https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/550308). Not sure if it's a change in policy by Amazon but in the last 2 days, a handful of PC products are now able to be bought via Amazon UK using this method.
Perhaps an oversight by Amazon somewhere deep in their backend code…. or a deliberate move to help push older stock from other countries like the UK.
It's certainly out of the blue as UK products have been off limits via Amazon for a while now. "Sorry we cant ship to your address".
awesome. great find
Honestly there is no argument from me regarding the real world speed difference between U.2. SATA or NVMe in every day tasks, but you'd be silly to take up a high speed U.2. NVMe Port with this unless you have an older chipset whose U.2. is SATA only.
Seriously just buy a regular SATA interface SSD and eventually put a high speed NVMe into that U.2. port later, don't cripple the performance now and regret it later. Most PC's these days have 6-8 SATA ports and only a single U.2. port.
Seriously just buy a regular SATA interface SSD and eventually put a high speed NVMe into that U.2. port later
Not disagreeing entirely, you;re right it's a shame to 'waste' an NVMe port on a SATA drive…. but it's situational. 2TB in M.2 for $300 is excellent for those wanting M.2. SUre it's not as good as NVMe, but sequential speed isn't everything.
No doubt that 2 x 1TB SATA 2.5" drives for ~$200-250 is "better value" for example, but thats not the only consideration. The argument for this sort of drive is space in your PC case … partiularly for ITX builds which are more and more popular these days. 2TB on the MB is fantastic without having to worry about a 2.5" SATA drive to be put somewhere and cabled in. i.e not having to run an extra SATA power connector from your PSU etc etc.
M.2 ports have more advantages than just NVMe speeds is all I'm saying.
Yeah but then what do I do with the 1Tb 860 I just bought…
The regular SATA drives are larger and you have to deal with cabling, but also more portable - you can move it to a different PC if you want to for any reason.
There are use cases for both, but yeah I'd probably populate an NVME capable port with an NVME drive. Note that not all M.2 ports are NVME capable.
Great deal OP. Would be perfect for my second NVME port on the mobo. It uses 2 x SATA bus instead of PCIE.
Yeah this is a ripper second drive for those with 2 M.2 ports.
A fast NVMe for c:\ and this bad boy for a d:\ with steam library! Winning!
That's me - I got one of these as my second drive (970 evo as primary) back when there was a similar deal from Amazon US
By board has two M2 slots - one is SATA only and the other NVMe only, so worked out perfect in my case as I could go M2 or 2.5" no probs (replaced a 525GB MX300)
I think the other thing to keep in mind is that depending on the motherboard, if it's a SATA M.2 drive, it'll disable 1 or 2 physical SATA ports on the motherboard, which would be a rude surprise if all your SATA ports are already in use.
If it's an NVMe drive, it won't disable the physical SATA port(s) on the motherboard.
SATA M.2 drives shares SATA ports and will disable a port or 2 if used but if it's using NVMe protocol, it relies on the PCI-E lanes and won't disable any SATA ports.
So keep this in mind when purchasing a SATA based M.2 drive for a desktop PC, whether you're willing to sacrifice a SATA port or 2.
I think the other thing to keep in mind is that depending on the motherboard, if it's a SATA M.2 drive, it'll disable 1 or 2 physical SATA ports on the motherboard, which would be a rude surprise if all your SATA ports are already in use.
Excellent point. I had forgotten about that for some MB's.
The rude surprise instead is that the second or third NVMe drive will steal 4x PCIe lanes from your GPU. :)
This is biggest brah moment, I just got mine from Centrecom today for $349
Brahhhhh :(
I guess the silver lining is that it’s local stock so quicker to receive and easier warranty claim
Also FYI, if you buy both the 10TB WD and this together, the shipping is still about $23 for both (WA for me)
Items: $547.69
Delivery: $22.94
Order Total: $570.63
Already have a 970 pro 1TB from a previous deal, but interested in this to put on the rear m2 slot for my ncase m1 itx build…. Will temperatures be an issue for this drive?
Reckon I'd generally be using it for gaming and the occasional video editing.
I have a 970 evo 500GB (non-pro, non-plus) as my primary and this exact animal as my secondary, I not long turned on my PC so I'll load the drives up with crystal disk mark & give you the temps…
The Samsung NVMe drive gets hotter, but only with the second sensor that the WD doesn't have (I believe the controller sensor, not the flash memory sensor) so I put a clip on EK heatsink on it.
With the heatsink, the max the controller sensor gives 51c and the flash memory sensor gives 38c - before the heatsink the controller occasionally showed up warning colours in HWinfo, so the heatsink dropped the controller temp from over 80c!
This SATA M2 WD drive only has the one sensor (I assume flash by temps closer to the cooler temp from the Samsung drive)
The WD sensor gave a max of 38c same as the Samsung's flash.
My second M2 slot is on the front right at the bottom of a mATX board closest to the front case fans, so it has better airflow than the NVMe drive but no heatsink.
If worst comes to worst, add a clip on heatsink later - these drives are so tiny they don't have much mass to hold the temp if you have the clearance to do so, even with no airflow (the NVMe drive of mine is trapped half under the GPU) it makes a big difference.
is it slightly slower than 860 evo? (not talking about the form factor, i know they LOOK very different)
Probably a touch slower is my best guess. 860 EVO is best in class AFAIK (m.2 sata)
Same thing pretty much.
must resist
hey atleast it's not qlc lol.
Received dispatch email :)
nice
For those who aren't too tech obsessed, do please note we are talking SATA not NVME. That means significantly slower, and also you need to make sure ou buy the right one for your PC.