[Audiobook] 12 Rules for Life by Jordan Peterson on CD $4 + Delivery ($0 with Prime & $39 Spend) @ Amazon AU from Amazon US

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Read by the author Jordan Peterson
Unabridged
15.5 hours on 13 CDs
CDs are audio CDs for a CD player (or other device, computer etc with right codecs)
Has dropped another dollar in price to $4 AUD

When I was checking out this deal https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/599722
for the paperback I spotted the CD audiobook also on sale.

https://booko.com.au/9780141989426/12-Rules-for-Life

$5 for a cd audiobook is pretty rare, they are so overpriced (which is really unfair for the print disabled).

At this price it is even cheaper than an audible credit.

Now details are sketchy. This happens often with audiobook listings. Ive tried my best to assertain the details:

It is supposed to be an audio CD.
(but at this price it is possible that is a mistake and it is an MP3 CD. if it is it might not work on your old cd player and you might need to make cds from it using your computer first.) (edit: i forgot to say, you can also using a computer listen to MP3 CDs, and/or copy the MP3 file/s onto something that can play MP3s like an ipod or phone. basically you might need a computer with a cd drive.)

It is supposed to be unabridged.

And I think it is supposed to be read by the author.

I think it is the audible and Allen lane/penguin version on cd: https://www.audible.com.au/pd/12-Rules-for-Life-Audiobook/B0…

No promises though sorry.

I still haven't read this so I don't know if it is fantastic or terrible but it seems to be polarising.

I do know the man is a horrific waffler so it could be boring. But in that case I will use it to fall asleep to.

So you can argue all you want in the comments, if it gets crazy I'll just turn off my notifications.

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- - - - MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 15:03
        
        @petry: You've accused me of something, and I'm asking you to back up that accusation.
        Simply explain where I called you a name, or attacked your character, and I'll agree, and apologize.
        That's all I'm asking.
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 15:03
        
        -1
        
        @MasterScythe: @MasterScythe: 'You seem very opinionated, but either poor at communicating, else, uneducated' - you posted that a few minutes ago
        
        MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 15:06
        
        @petry: And I clarified that I meant specifically within this topic, and apologized for the possible misunderstanding there.
        
        Leaving nowhere that could be construed as a noun (name calling), nor an attack on your character; only your knowledge within this specific topic.
        
        Hence why I'm confused where you're reading the "name calling and abuse"?
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 15:15
        
        -1
        
        @MasterScythe: nope you haven't apologized fully, and you continue to falsely state that you have. Clearly you have issues and just want to annoy so find someone else to insult and annoy.
        
        MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 15:27
        
        +2
        
        @petry: Purely because you appear to be having trouble communicating which bit was an attack, rather than an observation of behavior.
        You made two false claims about a medication, then proceeded to speak in rhetoric on a topic where facts could be substituted.
        
        I apologized for the part where it could have been construed as a general attack on your character, and clarified that I only meant 1 topic.
        
        If you're expecting me to apologize for having the opinion that you explained yourself poorly?
        Then you'll be waiting a while, because I will not apologies for your behavior.
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 16:15
        
        -2
        
        @MasterScythe: haven't made any false claims but you do all the time.
        
        MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 16:26
        
        @petry: Except the one I'm replying to now, of course.
        You're eroding your own credibility here.
        
        You accused me of name calling.
        Can you show me one noun that I directed at you?
        Or are you still lying?
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 16:29
        
        -1
        
        @MasterScythe: @MasterScythe: 'You seem very opinionated, but either poor at communicating, else, uneducated, on these types of medication'
        
        name calling and abuse is your forte not mine …
        
        MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 16:38
        
        @petry: You understand "no", or "you're right" is a much shorter post.
        
        The only noun in there, is my handle.
        What do you hope to gain by proving my point ad nauseam?
        
        Whomastadon on 23/01/2021 - 14:51
        
        +4
        
        @petry: Imagine deciding to go public with your mental health problems and document your recovery, AND continue helping people all over the world only to have people who intentionally or ignorantly misrepresent you, chastise you for it.
        
        If it was a trans woman of colour documenting their mental health and addiction battles they would be labelled " strong, brave, fierce, inspirational "
        
        It's funny how that works.
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 15:04
        
        +1
        
        @Whomastadon: a media personality making money out of claims of recovery is hardly original…
        
        Whomastadon on 23/01/2021 - 15:53
        
        @petry: That's not what I said. You may need to read my comment again I think you missed the point
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 16:20
        
        @Whomastadon: 'Imagine deciding to go public with your mental health problems and document your recovery, AND continue helping people all over the world only to have people who intentionally or ignorantly misrepresent you, chastise you for it.'
        
        read this again you mean?
        
        bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 14:51
        
        @petry:
        
        Your personal opinion that no medical professional self medicates is duly noted as well…
        
        the definitly do that. so do most humans to be honest, but if you have a prescription pad it's obviously more dangerous
        
        however again, i just don't think it would be possible for a person with psychosis to self medicate themselves out of psychosis
        
        a big part of being psychotic is not being aware that you are
        
        in addition to your personal decision to ignore the fact that at no point has his licence ever been suspended for his addictions….
        
        i hadn't thought about that before. i don't think addiction is automatically disqualifying. it probably depends on the substance that you are addicted to, whether you take a break voluntarily which i assume he has, and how well you recover
    - bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 14:46
      
      It is often given to help some manage their condition because taking other medications may require a cessation of their licence to practice.
      
      i don't think he could get away with concealing psychosis inorder to keep his liscence
      
      that would require a level of functioning and various types of thinking that people with psychosis struggle to do
      
      i also don't think his family could have concealed it when he has been an inpatient in various facilities in the last few years
      
      in both ways, i'm fairly sure it would be pretty much impossible
      - petry on 23/01/2021 - 14:50
        
        @bargain huntress: besides his son in law being Russian why do you think he went to Russia for treatment?
        
        Whomastadon on 23/01/2021 - 14:53
        
        @petry: It's been stated he went to Russia for treatment because they were the only ones willing to give him the treatment he wanted, which was essentially quitting cold turkey.
        
        bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 14:54
        
        @petry:
        
        besides his son in law being Russian why do you think he went to Russia for treatment?
        
        because they were willing to do an induced coma detox that doctors in north america weren't willing to do
        
        it sounds pretty dangerous
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 14:54
        
        @bargain huntress: and a whole lot less press and likely of disclosure - russians ain't affiliated…
        
        bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 14:56
        
        @petry:
        
        and a whole lot less press and likely of disclosure
        
        less press definitely
        
        less likely of illegal disclosure or leaks?… i'm not sure
        
        definitly increased chance of being blackmailed if he is hiding something like you believe
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 14:58
        
        @bargain huntress: russians have no interest in blackmailing him, but his pharmaceutical company links are well known.
        
        bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 15:16
        
        @petry:
        
        russians have no interest in blackmailing him,
        
        russian intelligence is always interested in famous assets
        
        but his pharmaceutical company links are well known.
        
        sorry i don't follow your line of thinking here?
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 15:18
        
        @bargain huntress: licence requirements and abuse of drugs linked to companies he actually promotes…
        
        Whomastadon on 24/01/2021 - 12:31
        
        @petry: Got any links or proof or are you still making things up for some weird agenda again Petry?
        
        I told you to get off the internet youre embarrassing yourself.
        
        petry on 24/01/2021 - 12:38
        
        @Whomastadon: you have already embarrassed yourself - if you can't be bothered to read what's online about the drugs he's been taking then its because you don't want the facts.
        
        Whomastadon on 24/01/2021 - 13:51
        
        +1
        
        @petry: The link to companies he promotes?
- greatlamp on 23/01/2021 - 14:51
  
  +3
  
  Sadly I am forced to observe that those who have no understanding of medicine present their misinformed opinions as facts, not realising that medicine is a scientific dicipline.
  
  You don't get to decide that antipsychotics are addictive. It isn't a matter of opinion.
  - petry on 23/01/2021 - 14:55
    
    +1
    
    its in the drug sheets.
  - bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 14:59
    
    but he wasn't taking an antipsychotic?
    
    he was taking a benzodiazapine
    
    and yes they can be / are addictive
    
    some are worse than others, and some people are more at risk than others
    - petry on 23/01/2021 - 15:01
      
      +1
      
      used to help manage psychosis, by reducing display of symptoms.
      - bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 15:18
        
        @petry:
        
        by reducing display of symptoms.
        
        not really, i don't think masking symptoms is a goal
        
        Benzodiazepines, such as clonazepam, are sometimes used for the treatment of mania or acute psychosis-induced aggression. In this context, benzodiazepines are given either alone, or in combination with other first-line drugs such as lithium, haloperidol or risperidone.[37][38] The effectiveness of taking benzodiazepines along with antipsychotic medication is unknown, and more research is needed to determine if benzodiazepines are more effective than antipsychotics when urgent sedation is required.[38] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonazepam
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 15:20
        
        +1
        
        @bargain huntress: happens all the time…
        
        bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 15:21
        
        @petry: how do you know?
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 15:54
        
        @bargain huntress: Benzodiazepines for psychosis‐induced aggression or agitation - try it in google….
        
        its in Cochrane - its not garbage like so much round here
        
        bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 16:00
        
        @petry:
        
        Benzodiazepines for psychosis‐induced aggression or agitation - try it in google….
        
        but that is to relieve the suffering and danger, not to mask the symptom so the person can pretend not to be psychotic
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 16:03
        
        @bargain huntress: where exactly do all the studies state that? social reintegration helps ill people.
        
        bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 16:11
        
        @petry: where do the studies say it is for masking?
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 16:17
        
        @bargain huntress: I'm sorry where did i say that? I can see reducing display of symptoms.above - is that what you are referring to?
        
        bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 18:11
        
        @petry: Yes
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 20:29
        
        @bargain huntress: and that is what the medical studies on Benzodiazepines for psychosis‐induced aggression or agitation discuss
        
        bargain huntress on 25/01/2021 - 10:47
        
        @petry: Ok I feel like we're going over a fairly semantic point here.
        So I concede that you are correct that sometimes benzodiazepines can be used to 'reduce display of agitation and aggression' in the psychotic.
        (It is however not classified as an antipsychotic as you claimed earlier.)
        
        Getting back on track;
        That doesn't in anyway prove that any particular person taking benzodiazepines suffers from psychosis. It doesn't prove that Jordan Peterson suffers from psychosis.
        
        As I said much earlier, Clonazepam like most drugs has multiple uses.
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonazepam#Medical_uses
        
        Neither does his seeking medical treatment in Russia prove that he is psychotic. It is somewhat unusual, but the possible reasons for it are numerous.
        
        Do you have any evidence for your claim that Jordan Peterson is psychotic?
        Any evidence that;
        That he is currently psychotic?
        That he suffers from a chronic mental illness that causes psychosis?
        Or that he has ever had a psychotic episode?
        
        petry on 25/01/2021 - 12:19
        
        -3
        
        @bargain huntress: I don't know if he is psychotic or has psychotic tendencies or ever has been effected but he takes strong medications which are used to treat the symptom's of psychosis. Especially physical manifestations. I am not a doctor or his doctor , or his personal friend so how would i know?
        
        I don't follow his performances because much of his work is poor essentially in academic terms, and has been for many years.
        
        He's been made into something he's not by a right wing media with an agenda, alongside Trump and many others.
        
        He hates Russia but then goes to Russia for help is the opposite of rational, especially for a man with his extremist views.
        
        I really don't understand how his fanatical followers - and they are fanatics as can be seen in this thread - place his words as absolute truth when he is or was addicted to medications that are used in the treatment of psychosis and acts very differently in his own life to what he preaches. Addiction to drugs and alcohol is also commonly held to be a form of mental illness.
        
        Finally in reality there are no anti-psychotics. There are no drugs that cure or stop psychosis. Its a term - in many countries the only drugs used to assist with psychosis and psychotic symptoms are benzo's - at least initially.
        
        'One in four people in the world will be affected by mental or neurological disorders at some point in their lives. Around 450 million people currently suffer from such conditions, placing mental disorders among the leading causes of ill-health and disability worldwide.
        
        Treatments are available, but nearly two-thirds of people with a known mental disorder never seek help from a health professional.' WHO
        
        Where did I state he was psychotic by the way because i can't see it here again?
        
        bargain huntress on 25/01/2021 - 21:27
        
        +1
        
        @petry:
        
        Where did I state he was psychotic by the way because i can't see it here again?
        
        before i respond, an intermission;
        
        dude why are you doing this?
        
        are you trolling? if so, i don't understand why it is enjoyable to you? (and your bretheren?)
        
        if not - seriously - is everything ok? do you need help and is there anything i could do?
        
        i have been wondering about some of the problems communicating you're having sometimes.
        several possibilities occured to me;
        
        the first was that english might not be your first language, but you seem fairly fluent and coherant some of the time?
        
        autism was a thought but your thinking style doesn't fit what i would expect?
        
        another thought was that perhaps you were sometimes intoxicated and maybe even struggling with addiction, and i wondered if that might be why you were so angry about Peterson's recent issues?
        
        but then struggling to understand your comments down below in response to sttoffee i've been wondering if you're having a problem with disorganized speech? this is a symptom of psychosis sometimes and again i wondered if that might be why you were so fixated on psychosis and antipsychotics?
        
        anyway this isn't intended to attack you, i just wanted to check in and work out if we both wanted to continue this discussion? i feel like it's somewhat pointless but i'm willing to continue if that's what you want?
        
        petry on 25/01/2021 - 23:50
        
        @bargain huntress: well interesting variety of personal attacks especially since you keep asserting that I'm writing things that I've never said.
        
        So
        
        'Where did I state he was psychotic by the way because i can't see it here again?
        
        You spent an awful long time making numerous personal attacks to deflect from your obvious issues with accuracy - which you have already admitted.
        
        and having spent some time kindly answering your very loaded questions that its now clear that you didn't want answered, i think it more than reasonable for you to make clear
        
        'Where did I state he was psychotic by the way because i can't see it here again?
- Cusack on 24/01/2021 - 00:26
  
  +2
  
  He was struggling, and he dealt with it. It's admirable. It's relatable. You seem to have it all figured out. You should write a book.
syousef on 23/01/2021 - 14:17

+9
You can call it anything you like but when a man:

speaks on everything including areas outside of his realm of expertise with such confidence that he won't entertain the possibility that he is wrong

mixes facts and opinions, presenting his opinions as facts

gives you a set of rules to follow blindly, without much consideration for individual circumstances

…and people lap it all up

Well that sounds an awful lot like a cult.

And like every cult some of what he says is going to be true and some will strike a chord with people. It doesn't mean that it's all true or that following his rules will go well for you.
- MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 14:24
  
  The only difference is that unlike religion and cults, I'm not aware of any physical action or expectation of his 'followers'.
  He's more like a parent offering guidance, but with even less power because you don't need to live with them growing up.
  
  More than happy to be wrong there if he has though. I'm open to being wrong.
  - doobes on 23/01/2021 - 14:37
    
    +7
    
    He's more like a snake oil salesmen speaking half truths and garbage to make himself rich.
    
    To compare him to a parent who actually cared for you is ridiculous. He does not give a flying so and so about you or anyone else.
    - MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 14:45
      
      I wouldn't dare claim he cares for the individual; In fact I feel that's part of the appeal people see.
      Perhaps parent was the wrong word; mentor?
      
      The advice is akin to teaching "Don't steal".
      That's of no benefit to you, quite the opposite, you end up with less stuff.
      However, it's very beneficial to a wider scope of society to ingrain that into you anyway, because if we teach the populous 'this is bad' purely because 'we say so', nobody deals with theft, and everyone wins.
    - Whomastadon on 23/01/2021 - 14:55
      
      +4
      
      I'm a fan of him and I dont do or follow anything he says.
      
      It just annoys me when people misrepresent him because they've read a clickbait headline or thinks he's anti left etc, or call him names without giving examples.
      - pogichinoy on 25/01/2021 - 01:54
        
        +1
        
        @Whomastadon: Agree. His messages at a high level is what we all deep down should know and need a reminder of once in a while.
        
        He articulates his point across well and can be at times at a level above most people’s comprehension, which can falsely come across as narcissistic.
        
        I do enjoy the thoughts he has in improving ones self.
        
        These days it’s a victim competition, and he reminds us to better ourselves instead of running from our problems.
petry on 23/01/2021 - 14:36

in life there are truisms …one of them is truth doesn't sell
- MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 14:46
  
  I disagree, Opera is one of the most successful media faces to have existed.
  Her whole career is\was based on compassion toward individuals, and charity movements.
  - petry on 23/01/2021 - 14:49
    
    you mean the yank Oprah who was on telly? the one who sold books and other things
    - syousef on 23/01/2021 - 15:17
      
      +4
      
      Oprah Winfrey is one thing. But Opera Winfrey? Arrrgggghhhhhh!
      
      Singing yoooouuuu getttt a caaaarrrrrrr….and yoooouuuu getttt a caaaarrrrrrr….and yoooouuuu getttt a caaaarrrrrrr….
      - petry on 23/01/2021 - 15:19
        
        @syousef: i dunno posters to busy calling me names to respond…
        
        MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 15:28
        
        @petry: Who's called you a name? Where? Care to highlight the noun? Lets lynch 'em!
        
        And yes, I meant her.
        It's entirely possible she slipped up, her career was long, but as a general rule, all her 'endorsements' and 'charity' acts are truthful.
        She only spoke to things she liked or felt were moral.
        
        I maintain her brand is based on truth and honesty.
        
        syousef on 23/01/2021 - 15:34
        
        +1
        
        @MasterScythe: I would never call her untruthful either. I can't afford the lawyers to fight hers.
        
        MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 15:37
        
        @syousef: Haha, that's very true. But unless you're a company, you can't be sued for slander, so as an individual you can hook in!
        
        With that in mind, plenty of things shes spoken against could have some massive legal weight behind them if she was slandering them. Like the US cattle industry.
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 15:49
        
        @MasterScythe: 2.6 billion - and you reckon all she did was tell the whole truth….that is hysterical Opera…
        
        MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 15:58
        
        @petry: No, I already acknowledged she likely made mistakes, she's a media icon scrutinized in every way.
        
        I disagreed with your statement was all; you said truth doesn't sell.
        I maintain her brand success was built around her being a trusted name to most people.
        
        I didn't claim she was unfailingly truthful, I claimed it sells well.
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 16:01
        
        -1
        
        @MasterScythe: truth doesn't sell - in fact mostly it gets you locked up.
        
        MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 16:04
        
        @petry: Can you elaborate?
        Truth as I understand it is an intangible, unique to an individual.
        My favorite food, could literally kill someone with an intolerance. Meaning that upon eating it, both "good" and "bad" statements would be truth, despite being mutually exclusive to an individual.
        
        For the statement to make sense, it needs to be applied to an idea, action, or an item (as above, to a brand), else, what do you mean?
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 16:12
        
        @MasterScythe: 'Collaery, a barrister and former ACT attorney-general, is facing jail for allegedly helping his client, intelligence officer Witness K, reveal information about Australia’s bugging of Timor-Leste government offices to gain the upper hand during oil and gas negotiations in 2004.
        
        Large parts of the case have been held in closed court because the federal government has invoked the National Security Information Act, which is designed to govern the handling of sensitive and protected information by the courts.'
        
        When the espionage became known, East Timor rejected the Timor Sea treaty, and referred the matter to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague. Timor's lawyers, including Bernard Collaery, intended to call Witness K as a confidential witness in an 'in camera' hearing in March 2014. However, in December 2013 the homes and office of both Witness K and his lawyer Bernard Collaery were raided and searched by ASIO and Australian Federal Police, and many legal documents were confiscated. East Timor immediately sought an order from the ICJ for the sealing and return of the documents.[2]
        
        'In March 2014, the ICJ ordered Australia to stop spying on East Timor.[5] The Permanent Court of Arbitration in the Hague considered claims by East Timor over the territory until early 2017, when East Timor dropped the ICJ case against Australia after the Australian Government agreed to renegotiate.[6] In 2018, the parties signed a new agreement which gave 80% of the profits to East Timor and 20% to Australia.
        
        The identity of Witness K has been kept secret under the provisions of the Intelligence Services Act and any person in breach of this could face prosecution.[7] '
        
        MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 16:21
        
        +1
        
        @petry: Yes, so that specific truth was linked to a criminal act.
        And I imagine reporting on that truth sold well within the media.
        It's also using a specific example; as I said, you're applying an intangible to an event.
        
        I still disagree that things that are true sell poorly.
        I also disagree, that the intangible idea of 'truth' more commonly "gets you locked up".
        I'd argue, that the idea of truth, more often than anything, simply proves existence of things and ideas.
        
        For example, "I am breathing" is a true statement, I could make literally billions of them about my body alone, and it wouldn't get me locked up.
        That same applied truth could be recorded as a research paper, which would then sell much better within the medical field than an untruthful one.
        
        I was more asking for you to elaborate on how the intangible, when applied to something, makes it undesirable.
        Or as you claim, usually criminal.
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 16:27
        
        @MasterScythe: you seem to have huge issues with your understanding of words - criminal?
        
        'In March 2014, the ICJ ordered Australia to stop spying on East Timor.[5] The Permanent Court of Arbitration in the Hague considered claims by East Timor over the territory until early 2017, when East Timor dropped the ICJ case against Australia after the Australian Government agreed to renegotiate.'
        
        'Collaery, a barrister and former ACT attorney-general, is facing jail for allegedly helping his client, intelligence officer Witness K, reveal information about Australia’s bugging of Timor-Leste government offices to gain the upper hand during oil and gas negotiations in 2004.'
        
        'closed court because the federal government has invoked the National Security Information Act, which is designed to govern the handling of sensitive and protected information by the courts.'
        
        no intangible in this case Witness K told the truth.
        
        SINCE YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING ON TELEVISION IS TRUE OR AT LEAST ONE AMERICAN TALK SHOW I SEE NO POINT IN BEING PLAYED IN YOUR OPERA ANYLONGER
        
        MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 16:35
        
        +1
        
        @petry: Yes, criminal. Hence why the former attorney-general is facing jail time in your example.
        
        I've never watched an american talkshow to my knowledge.
        Actually, no, I lie, I did enjoy Saturday Night Live from time to time.
        
        no intangible in this case Witness K told the truth.
        
        No, as I agreed, it's quite easy to apply truth to a criminal act and have it not sell; but mt argument is that things that are true (for example; exist) sell much better.
        
        One example doesn't move the idea of truth being an intangible element though; you still had to apply it to a specific topic.
        
        I SEE NO POINT IN BEING PLAYED IN YOUR OPERA ANYLONGER
        
        If you're retreating from this intellectual battle, I thank you for your time. I'm glad I could prove myself.
        Stay safe!
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 16:38
        
        @MasterScythe: OPERA wasn't a talkshow and you didn't even watch it when posting about it? how intellectual of you
        
        MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 16:42
        
        @petry: Thank you for correcting me, I misspelled her name, I meant Oprah, appreciated.
        
        And thank you, my point exactly about the strength of her brand.
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 16:42
        
        @MasterScythe: @MasterScythe: OPERA wasn't a talkshow and you didn't even watch it when posting about it? how intellectual of you
        
        MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 16:45
        
        @petry: Whoops, someone's device posted twice I see; yes, see above :)
        
        petry on 23/01/2021 - 16:47
        
        -1
        
        @MasterScythe: intellectual lol
        
        MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 16:49
        
        +3
        
        @petry: You'll figure it out. When you're feeling more coherent, I'm happy to listen.
        Otherwise, I accept your retreat.
belongsinforums on 23/01/2021 - 15:03

There are rules?
- bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 15:28
  
  i wish
StToffee on 23/01/2021 - 15:27

+5

As a notional lefty, I'm not meant to like Dr JP's work. But I find it incredibly well-researched, deeply thought-provoking and quite empowering, loaded with truths and incredible observations about the modern world.

You don't have to swallow his message whole (I don't rate his diet / biblical ideas, his daughter is a bit odd, etc); nor is he preaching the things that people on my side of politics think he is. They're besotted by headlines and snippets; do the opposite. Listen. Pick up some ideas. Work through what he's actually saying - the amount of people who could benefit from his messages tend to be the one who shun them the most.

I wasn't into the Biblical series of his podcasts, so I skipped it. That's fine - I know that's not for me. But some of his lectures exhibit some of the best thinking about the modern world and what forces pulled us here. Ideas of personal responsibility, morality, fighting for better communities, eradicating poverty, being careful with your words sorting your own life out and respecting the past are pretty much skimmed over by society; it's cool to look at them with a fresh pair of eyes. He's been super helpful for me in my own life (he's a clinical psychologist, no wonder so many find him helpful).

I genuinely hope conservative politics drifts towards his way of understanding humanity and history and away from the chaotic, maniacal mess of the far-right madness of Trump/One Nation/Le Pen etc. Honestly, they could not be further apart.

He's introduced tremendous nuance into the wider discourse and while some here on the left thrive on firing off dismissive zingers about pronouns, interviews or his recent health battles - as if it presents some kind of evidence as to why he should be dismissed - I'd say this is pretty much one of the few conservative voices who genuinely wants a better world for the majority, not just a privileged few.
- petry on 23/01/2021 - 15:57
  
  +1
  
  you sound like a fully paid up member….recent health issues…
  - StToffee on 23/01/2021 - 17:07
    
    +1
    
    errr, what?
    - petry on 23/01/2021 - 17:56
      
      -1
      
      recent health issues…2016 admitted
      - bargain huntress on 25/01/2021 - 10:25
        
        +3
        
        @petry: I'm really having trouble understanding what you write a lot of the time. I can't make sense of these two comments at all.
- Telios on 23/01/2021 - 17:15
  
  +2
  
  I wasn't into the Biblical series of his podcasts
  
  Yeah unfortunately it does tend to spill into his other discussions. He seems to like pretending he's not a Christian, but he does use biblical stories almost in their entirety only to say at the end 'well I don't really believe the story of course! But it contains a message that we can use'…
  
  I'd rather he was able to establish points without resorting to theology at all.
  
  Particularly around messages such as personal responsibility and morality (morality from any holy book is cherry-picked at best).
  - StToffee on 23/01/2021 - 17:40
    
    +1
    
    Can understand why he went down that path out of pure personal interest to him - and there's probably some truth to his conclusions. But I struggle with religious mythology in any event and was happy to pass over that series. I suspect his best work was elsewhere.
bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 15:56

+1

a reminder for those who may be interested who may have missed it;

[eCourse] Self Help Writing Exercises: Future, Past & Present $40 by Jordan Peterson + Colleagues @ Self Authoring
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/595348

the $10 new years deal is over but the suite deal remains.

I confess i haven't started it yet so still dont know what its like.
Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 23/01/2021 - 16:00

+4

Lmao the majority of the triggered are the righties accusing others of being triggered.
abuch47 on 23/01/2021 - 16:14

-7

pseudo self help guru with a dirty room

incoming OzB deletion coz admin all about that profit from promoting controversy. complicit.
tarkine on 23/01/2021 - 16:49

A man that finds it difficult to get his own house in order is a well for others to drink from Thanks but no thanks
DAT on 23/01/2021 - 19:13

-6

not a deal; just a list of generic advices from a right wing rubbish. Time for this crap to be swept away with their daddy orange in US.
Kabal on 24/01/2021 - 15:55

This book takes so long to say… almost nothing. I couldn't make it through it.

Maybe if you are a complete and utter f*** up you might get something out of this.
- bargain huntress on 25/01/2021 - 10:23
  
  +1
  
  Maybe if you are a complete and utter f*** up you might get something out of this.
  
  Good thing I ordered it then
Lizard King on 24/01/2021 - 18:09

-1

Came to see triggered leftists. Completely satisfied thanks.
bargain huntress on 04/02/2021 - 16:30

Update: (I have received mine and can confirm that it is…)

Read by the author Jordan Peterson
Unabridged
15.5 hours on 13 CDs
CDs are audio CDs for a CD player (or other device, computer etc with right codecs)
Has dropped another dollar in price to $4 AUD

This was posted 3 years 3 months 4 days ago, and might be an out-dated deal.

[Audiobook] 12 Rules for Life by Jordan Peterson on CD $4 + Delivery ($0 with Prime & $39 Spend) @ Amazon AU from Amazon US

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