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[Audiobook] 12 Rules for Life by Jordan Peterson on CD $4 + Delivery ($0 with Prime & $39 Spend) @ Amazon AU from Amazon US

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Update: (I have received mine and can confirm that it is…)

Read by the author Jordan Peterson
Unabridged
15.5 hours on 13 CDs
CDs are audio CDs for a CD player (or other device, computer etc with right codecs)
Has dropped another dollar in price to $4 AUD

When I was checking out this deal https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/599722
for the paperback I spotted the CD audiobook also on sale.

https://booko.com.au/9780141989426/12-Rules-for-Life

$5 for a cd audiobook is pretty rare, they are so overpriced (which is really unfair for the print disabled).

At this price it is even cheaper than an audible credit.

Now details are sketchy. This happens often with audiobook listings. Ive tried my best to assertain the details:

It is supposed to be an audio CD.
(but at this price it is possible that is a mistake and it is an MP3 CD. if it is it might not work on your old cd player and you might need to make cds from it using your computer first.) (edit: i forgot to say, you can also using a computer listen to MP3 CDs, and/or copy the MP3 file/s onto something that can play MP3s like an ipod or phone. basically you might need a computer with a cd drive.)

It is supposed to be unabridged.

And I think it is supposed to be read by the author.

I think it is the audible and Allen lane/penguin version on cd: https://www.audible.com.au/pd/12-Rules-for-Life-Audiobook/B0…

No promises though sorry.

I still haven't read this so I don't know if it is fantastic or terrible but it seems to be polarising.

I do know the man is a horrific waffler so it could be boring. But in that case I will use it to fall asleep to.

So you can argue all you want in the comments, if it gets crazy I'll just turn off my notifications.

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  • cobrakai on 23/01/2021 - 10:11
    +23

    Trigger warning…..

    • FlatulentFrank on 23/01/2021 - 11:00
      +55

      "Hurr durr bigot! Boogeyman! Grifter! Alt Right maniac!"

      Never seen such a strong reaction towards someone that provides self help. He has helped lives and hasn't taken any last time I checked.

      Yet, some of the reactions exhibited by users are completely over the top. Especially when regarding to addiction/close shave with death.

      There's one thing to disagree with content, it's a whole new thing to enjoy someone's struggle. To me, it says more about the person writing it than the content creator.

      As stated in the other deal, his content pulled a suicidal family member back from the brink. I can't possibly understand why folks can't acknowledge the value proposition (aside from the grating opinion) he has tangibly helped lives…there's bigger monsters to go be righteous about….

      P.S this man isn't getting me or any follower to vote for a specific party, I'm thinking that most haven't even read/listened to the actual content and would rather form an opinion from editorials/outrage articles about him.

        • FlatulentFrank on 23/01/2021 - 11:50
          +31

          Whatever echo chamber you've decided to reside in is ok by me, doesn't change from the tangible experience and benefit already mentioned. :)

        • bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 14:38
          +4

          Peterson suicidal in 2019 claimed due to drug addiction, conveniently not due to his pseudocience.

          What do you mean by his pseudoscience?

      • [Deactivated] on 23/01/2021 - 16:33

        Perfect. Love it!

        • MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 17:02
          +4

          Family guy has very few non-crude hits; but when they hit a homerun, my god do they hit it hard, lol

          • [Deactivated] on 23/01/2021 - 17:30

            @MasterScythe: Well said MS.

            Cheers.

    • cobrakai on 23/01/2021 - 10:15
      +41

      Rubbish. Not one of the 12 rules are 'alt-right'..

        • bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 10:28
          +51

          But isn't there a difference between right wing and alt right?

          That would be like saying all left wingers are communists.

            • cobrakai on 23/01/2021 - 10:43
              +8

              @[Deactivated]: They're general rules, he can't cover every exception..

            • Telios on 23/01/2021 - 11:35
              +10

              @[Deactivated]:

              As far as I'm concerned, anyone who puts themselves or others into categorised pigeonholes has an agenda and either to align themselves or others for a political/economic/philosophical attack.

              Not that I have particular interest in Jordan Peterson or his weirdly pseudo-Christian methodology.

              But he literally has said in many interviews and podcasts that he hates ideologues and that it is the opposite of his viewpoint because he sees categorising people as part of the "Social Marxist" movement.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NusYLzb-Uho

              So somehow you managed to actually share his viewpoint exactly, but believe he's fighting against you??

              The dudes whole life over the past few years has been deconstructing identity politics and collectivism…aka left/right extremists

                • Telios on 23/01/2021 - 12:22
                  +10

                  @nope: He's a psychology professor who also does a lot of history research…

                  Most of my interest in him comes from his discussions around how scary the Nazi's really were…

                  Like I said his methodologies for this book are questionable, I don't like teleological discussions around theology because I can't relate to it.
                  I also don't like his overly western approach to self-actualisation.

                  But his knowledge around the early Russian revolution and build-up of the National Socialist German Workers' Party is fascinating.
                  I don't really know how he got drawn into the stupid world of left/right political shenanigans, but yeah he's definitely more on the libertarian side if that floats your boat.

                  But just as I watch a lot of "left" media people need to expose themselves to a variation of ideas so they don't just parrot ideas.

                  An exception being Alex Jones because he's a legitimate crazy person.

                  • bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 15:02
                    +1

                    @Telios:

                    An exception being Alex Jones because he's a legitimate crazy person.

                    i can't work out if he is mentally ill, has drug induced psychosis, or if it is all an act like his divorce lawyer claimed

                    i occasionally watch him just for the hell of it

                • splitatom on 24/01/2021 - 03:14
                  +2

                  @nope: Usually when people label as 'far right or 'far left, they themselves identify with the opposite of what they despise.

          • nope on 23/01/2021 - 11:37
            -8

            @bargain huntress: did you see the word pipeline or are you just pretending you didn't

          • twocsies on 23/01/2021 - 12:12
            -8

            @bargain huntress: His homophobic and antifeminist views are clearly alt right. His views on race is that some races have genetically superior intelligence. It is clearly supported by evidence that Peterson is alt right.

            • splitatom on 24/01/2021 - 03:09
              +2

              @twocsies: Homophobic? Antifeminist? I'm guessing you just watched a short snippet from CNN which is always out of context

          • Whomastadon on 23/01/2021 - 12:19
            +13

            @bargain huntress: "alt right " is a made up term by the professionally and recreationally outraged to silence, dismiss and force compliance.

            The woke people need a bad name for everyone so they can call them it without having to resort to replying to an actual argument or thought.

        • cobrakai on 23/01/2021 - 10:32
          +21

          Challenge his specific rules if you disagree with them.. what's with the right/left obsession on here?

          • [Deactivated] on 23/01/2021 - 10:34
            -2

            @cobrakai: See my above comment.

        • Legsweeping on 23/01/2021 - 11:09

          Out of curiosity, where did he describe himself as this?

        • liongalahad on 23/01/2021 - 11:47
          +11

          He has never described himself as right-wing. He describes himself as a "classic British liberal". The press classify him as right-wing because as usual they are very superficial and must classify people in the most simplistic way. Personally, I by no means identify myself as right-wing, to the contrary I consider myself more left-wing than right, but I find Peterson very interesting and I really enjoy to listen to his point of view and he often make a lot of sense.

        • Wally on 23/01/2021 - 11:55

          He was being ironic , he actually claims to be "a classic British liberal" whose focus is the psychology of belief

    • [Deactivated] on 23/01/2021 - 10:21
      -2

      Mate you are one of the few informed. A lot of people don't realise his political/philosophical stance. A friend of mine who is very well educated and very thoughtful was raving about him and never realised he's right wing. People are so easily persuaded these days with a couple of nice sentences and arguments that mask so much more. Which makes it even more dangerous. The weirdest thing about him is that he demolishes the left wing in his presentations and uses the former USSR as his Pinata but when he fell back into his addictions he moved to and sought help in Russia.

      • cobrakai on 23/01/2021 - 10:38
        +6

        People are obsessed with and dumb themselves down with left/right labels..

        • [Deactivated] on 23/01/2021 - 10:39
          -2

          I totally agree with you. I think we need to move past such primitive and archaic categorisations.

      • rokufan on 23/01/2021 - 14:18
        +9

        A friend of mine who is very well educated and very thoughtful was raving about him and never realised he's right wing.

        In other words: Forget the message, I don't like his tribe.

    • zombrex on 23/01/2021 - 11:12
      +9

      Get our of the fake news echo chamber.
      The slurs against this man are delusional.

    • Cusack on 24/01/2021 - 00:11

      This guy is just telling folks. No one is this stupid

  • [Deactivated] on 23/01/2021 - 10:13

    Audio CDs cap out at 90 or 100mins, so is either

    A) abridged
    B) mp3 CD
    C) downloadable version

    • hambuger on 23/01/2021 - 10:19

      More like 80 minutes isn't it?

    • bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 10:24
      +1

      Or it could have more than 1 cd

    • thedragon on 23/01/2021 - 11:13

      It’s MP3. 181MB. 15 Hours, 14 minutes.

    • bargain huntress on 04/02/2021 - 16:13

      I have it in my hands now

      it is unabridged
      15.5 hours on 13 CDs

  • axisreaver on 23/01/2021 - 10:13
    +10

    I do know the man is a horrific waffler so it could be boring. But in that case I will use it to fall asleep to.

    Lol, probably the only reason to get this. I was tempted by that quote, but remembered I have nothing that plays CDs.

    • MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 12:23
      +1

      I envy that minimalist lifestyle. I tried. I really did. But in the end, bluray was just so superior to other formats right now, I had to get back on the bandwagon.

  • pogichinoy on 23/01/2021 - 10:16
    +3

    Trigger warning to SJWs

  • terrys on 23/01/2021 - 10:21
    +23

    Rule 1:
    Don't waste money on books by wealthy priviledged legends in their own lunch-boxes who want to wail about how badly done-by they are and moan about being silenced to everybody around them
    Tempted to up-tick for the description tho, and did so because it is cheap for those who do want it.

    • bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 10:30
      +2

      Tempted to up-tick for the description tho, and did so because it is cheap for those who do want it.

      Well thank you very much 🎩

  • mopo on 23/01/2021 - 10:43
    +6

    More like 12 rules to be an insufferable (profanity)

    • cobrakai on 23/01/2021 - 10:51
      +22

      Which rule triggers you the most out of interest?

  • MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 10:44
    +16

    Dear…. Almost everybody these days… what happened to being subjective in your media?

    Why does it feel like everyone has to choose a side?

    I'm not a fan, nor am I against Peterson.

    I personally find a lot of his statements (especially ones based on easily Googleable facts you just hadn't considered before) enlightening.

    But there are many things he says where you just need to trash that idea, because he's self-inserting his experiences as gospel.

    Why not just keep your mind open, discard what you think is offensive, but consider what you think is new (to you)?

    • MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 10:55
      +13

      My favorite point he makes is around adolescence.

      Use your mind if you're new-age, and remove the boy/girl stereotype; just call them "people who like things" rather than "people who like people".

      My father has stories that I'm so envious of, I have no words.

      He built is first motorbike at 14 out of scrap, and rode it to work, on the gravel next to the road. 4 times a week, cops would stop him, tell him " you can't ride that" and drop him at work, and his pocket bike back at his house.

      It was never 'right', but creativity and independence were also considered part of growing up.

      By comparison, I got fined for "not having a reflector" on my pushbike at 16; when I had always-on lights bolted in their place (and active).
      And told I'd be followed home, to make sure I walk the bike, not ride it.

      People who gravitate toward that sort of lifestyle are belittled by current 1st world rules.

      Its a fascinating topic.

      But my least favorite ideal, is how he can devalue attempts at self help if it doesn't meet his ideals. I mean, wtf man? Some people are genuinely trying, and struggling.

      I'll happily throw out his idea of needing to perfect yourself before you can others.
      Nothing says you can't help your fellow human (or animal) while still working on yourself.
      Sometimes 'others' are easier, and you just need to do your best at that time; rather than devalue the little you can do.

      • carlscott1982 on 23/01/2021 - 11:16
        +2

        Genuinely good comment and perspective Masterscythe.

  • Jabba the Hutt on 23/01/2021 - 10:47
    -5

    Trouble with an audio CD is you miss out on his impressively majestic, masculine appearance, leaving just the waffle. Unless he expresses his thoughts with more clarity in this particular book than in most interviews/speeches.

    • seamonkey on 23/01/2021 - 11:09
      +8

      username checks out.

    • FlatulentFrank on 23/01/2021 - 11:11
      +4

      Trouble with an audio CD is you miss out on his impressively majestic, masculine appearance, leaving just the waffle.

      Ummm what the heck are even getting at?

      • MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 11:18
        +1

        He's saying he's very animated, and very long-winded.

        Without the visual, it feels like an even longer time to get to the point.

        Not devaluing the point at all; just explaining what he seems to be getting at.

        Actually; boredom does risk devaluing the point, I guess is the problem.

        Tldr your speeches please Mr Peterson.

  • shaybisc on 23/01/2021 - 10:57
    +23

    Rule 13 - eat your vegies
    Rule 14 - stay off the benzos.

    • deadpoet on 23/01/2021 - 15:15
      +1

      Gold! Take my upvote, good Madam/Sir.

  • seamonkey on 23/01/2021 - 11:08
    +13

    No deal. I'm waiting for the Jordan Peterson and Pete Evans collaboration.

    • Legsweeping on 23/01/2021 - 11:10

      Is this meant to be humour?

      • seamonkey on 23/01/2021 - 11:20
        +3

        Why? Is it mildly amusing? It is a narrative of the divisiveness of these 2 particular characters and the fact that no post about such people ever really ends well - no matter what your opinion. It's like posting Trump merchandise, it without doubt is going to attract commentary and that's OK. We know and accept this. Personally I love you all and I just believe as more time passes, people's tolerance is trending further on the butthurt matrix.

    • Autonomic on 23/01/2021 - 12:09
      +1

      All meat diet cookbook?

      • MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 12:16
        +1

        So Atkins, minus the eggs :p

  • Grok on 23/01/2021 - 11:35
    +13

    If you don’t know who Jordan Petersen is well this interview won him a huge fan base.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54

    It gets really good at 21:50.

    • liongalahad on 23/01/2021 - 11:56
      +12

      She is a total joke and makes him sound like a messiah in comparison. She went to the interview wanting to put him in his spot, trying to be the tough interviewer, instead she basically transformed the guy is a legend and internet sensation in less than 30 minutes. LOL

    • MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 12:04
      +4

      I enjoyed that.

      Some parts are a little bit graspy-at-straws, but most of it is coherent.

      And the discussion you highlight at 21:50 is probably the perfect example of meaning what you say, not masking a motive.

      I still object to enough things to not be a 'fan' by any length; but I do see something in him that many people would struggle with:

      He's shooting SO STRAIGHT that it feels bizarre; and the reason I recognise it, is because I do the same.

      People are looking for a meaning.
      There is none, he just said it.
      Or an ideal he's hinting toward; nope. That was it.

      Its the aspie in me coming out.
      Don't ask a fact based question if you don't want a fact based answer.
      If you want me to consider your emotions, tell me, and I'll take more time to frame my response.

      Especially in the US.
      The idea that someone might "be rude", and it be directed solely toward the exact topic/idea, and not toward the person is almost unheard of. I've lived there, and seen it.

      Even typical Aussie comments can be too much, lol.

      I remember saying "geez mate, gardens lookin a little run down". Was met with a "you callin me lazy?"
      ….. No, I'm calling the garden a mess, it's very possible you've been working extremely hard elsewhere… wth?

      • Vulvasaur on 23/01/2021 - 14:57
        +2

        I remember saying "geez mate, gardens lookin a little run down

        What response did you expect lol?

        I don't go around pointing out that people are overweight and expect them to be cool about it.

        • MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 15:20
          +3

          Fair cop, we just hang in different circles.
          When you live on land, it's pretty common to poke fun at something that's been let slide; especially when it's unimportant like weeding.

          Hell, even in the CBD, you hear fellas make fun of a new haircut or a half-untucked shirt or such; teasing on topics that have no importance its pretty common really, at least in my lifetime.

          I don't go around pointing out that people are overweight and expect them to be cool about it.

          Well no, but it's also not a black and white topic; They don't need to 'be cool' to be helped.
          When I lost my first 38kg, it was because someone said "Dude you're fat" this was normal, I was.

          But then he continued; "Nah like, really fat, it's actually concerning".
          I came back a year later and thanked him for turning my life around. I knew I was fat, but I didn't have the outside perspective to know I was 'at that level' you know? Where a random sales clerk felt obliged to warn me.

          You're right, I wasn't cool about it, but I didn't instantly assume something like "You think I can't do math?" because my calorie count was clearly off. I just assumed he meant I was fat!

          He called me fat, he was right, I wasn't "cool with it" so I worked on it.

          His comment wasn't an attack, it was an accurate observation. Strangers are rarely that honest, it was refreshing.
          I don't have to 'like things' for them to be correct.

    • Lurk Hartog on 24/01/2021 - 08:00
      +2

      I'm not a huge Peterson fan, he loses me with the religious talk (Christopher Hitchens is more my style), but I absolutely love this interview. It's one of the best "woke meets common sense" moments ever recorded. Her reading into everything he says with the least charitable interpretation possible I feel is representative of woke internet culture over the past ten years or so. Peterson handles it remarkably well and can't help but giggle at her ridiculous interpretations.

      It reaches its moment of absurd perfection when she says "so you're saying we should organise our society along the line of the lobsters?"

      Classic.

    • Mythreesons on 24/01/2021 - 14:21

      I had never seen that. The comments under the video are hilarious. Thank you

  • MementoMori on 23/01/2021 - 12:05
    +3

    I really like his lectures and general self-help material, but I found this book too academic, waffely and boring personally

    It is generally well regarded though

    • [Deactivated] on 23/01/2021 - 13:15
      +1

      You are a Jordan P fan for life now. Watch your back! Tolerant lefties will now target you, lol.

      Just report your comment and ask a mod.

  • baronVoNGotha on 23/01/2021 - 13:26
    -1

    gets outta rehab and onto the frontpage of ozbargain. howsaaaaaat

  • figarow on 23/01/2021 - 13:41
    +3

    Peterson derangement syndrome…
    https://youtu.be/MMzd40i8TfA

  • TheBird on 23/01/2021 - 13:41
    +6

    I watched a bunch of him on youtube at about new years. At first I couldn't figure out if he was a sharlitan or the real deal. The only conclusion I came to, he's as smart as a whip and he smugly enjoys being correct. For someone who seems quite balanced in his views, but he does come across as very narcissistic.

    From what I can tell, he's not alt-right himself (to me he seems very much in the middle), but the alt-right latched upon some of his messages as their banner boy.

    His message seems to be one of personal responsibility, being the best you can be and take the world for what it is, not what you want it to be.

    That being said, he made for some odd viewing while exercising.

    • MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 14:05
      +1

      The biggest issue with a lot of his work, is that people expect to be triggered, and expect to be cared about as an individual.
      They go into the speech or whatever, expecting to take something personally from it.
      Some people are lucky enough to do so, some don't resonate at all.
      With a few marked exceptions, his comments are very generalized, and often nihilistic; with no emotion or reason, and just facts.

      Some of his most controversial comments are around 'women being happy'; because of COURSE there are MILLIONS of women who will NOT fit into that stereotype; but just like men are also being stereotyped by him; the majority will. OR (here's the kicker) aren't his audience.
      He's not god. You're allowed to not be his audience.

      As I said in another comment he is the king of saying what he means. Nothing more. Nothing less.
      If he says "women are happier with a strong partner"; that's what he means.
      He doesn't mean millions of women aren't happy.
      He doesn't mean you're wrong if you don't fit that mold.
      He just means, in pure statistics, exactly what he said.

      Should it be "the more feminine in a relationship enjoys a strong partner"?; probably, but as said, he speaks in generalizations.
      I do not like that about him;
      with a few little word tweaks (which he's smart enough to do) he could be much more agreeable….

      I loathe the deliberate open to attack labels he uses; but, even there, you have to salute him, that's DARN good business.
      Without it, I doubt this many people would know who he is.

      • TheBird on 23/01/2021 - 14:11

        As I said in another comment he is the king of saying what he means. Nothing more. Nothing less.

        That's basically him summarised.

        with a few little word tweaks (which he's smart enough to do) he could be much more agreeable….

        Without a doubt. He's one of the more famous psychiatrists out there now.

        • bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 14:32
          -1

          interesting because that is not how i perceive him at all
          endless waffling
          just get to the point!

          • wojaus on 24/01/2021 - 15:29
            +4

            @bargain huntress: I can see why some people might feel like this.
            But then there's this other camp (including myself) who see him as not 'overly wordy', he just tries to precisely convey complex ideas developed over 30+ years. I believe the 'waffling' people accuse him of is often him getting side-tracked because a lot of his ideas are based on other ideas that need to be explained first. (and to be fair, he's not wrong to do that - look at what happens when he doesn't have the platform to do so…his ideas are mischaraterised/misconstrued constantly)
            It could be that a lot of people have this 'fast food' mentality to everything now. The mentality is something like "If it can't be condensed into a quote or soundbite, then it obviously doesn't have merit." Or, "Everything should be easily and quickly consumable otherwise there's something suspicious and wrong with it."
            Something like that.
            Something that probably contributes is that he often makes the mistake of doing interviews the same way he would present one of his University classes. But interviews are designed to get short answers to questions, to provide quickly and easily digestible information. There's very little room for nuance and explaining 'why' …they are by design almost completely unsophisticated.

  • Whomastadon on 23/01/2021 - 13:42
    +3

    Notice the morons in this thread bagging out Mr J.P. don't actually make relevant points against his thoughts, beliefs or lessons.

    They've just read the headline of some slanderous article written by another cukk and blindly followed it.

    It's shows when they try to silence, dismiss and force compliance by calling him " alt right ", racist or whatever.

    Also on a larger scale, if these same recreationally outraged cucks can't shoehorn him into an existing dismissive name they'll make one up like " alt right, TERF etc ". This way they don't have to respond to the argument, just continue to try silence and dismiss them with name calling.

    If you ask anyone to define " alt right " they usually can't without saying " racist ". It's the cukks way of calling someone racist without having to point to an example of said racism.

    Calling Peterson alt right proves you are uninformed and makes you look simple and foolish.

    :)

    • bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 14:30
      +1

      i would have agreed with and plused you, but i feel like you both proved your own point and owned yourself with your repeated use of the word 'cuck'

      if these same recreationally outraged cucks can't shoehorn him into an existing dismissive name they'll make one up

  • [Deactivated] on 23/01/2021 - 13:47
    +3

    Clean your lobster room

  • petry on 23/01/2021 - 14:05
    +1

    sadly i am forced to observe that those who take the words and writings of someone addicted to antipsychotics quite depressing.

    its easy to see why the world has degenerated into mutually assured destruction when so many drink up the words and writings of those with discernible mental issues, and find meaning in them where there is none, save illogical madness.

    the same madness that has caused america's disintegration is on display here and across Australia.

    • Whomastadon on 23/01/2021 - 14:13
      +5

      Implying his words are in anyway related to his recent health problems.

      Pretty sad misrepresentation.

      At least the critics are consistent

    • MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 14:19
      +6

      I think you're mixed up.
      It's a benzodiazepine, not an antipsychotic.
      It behaves more like a pain-killer addiction; I've had experience when the doc learned my liver doesn't process them much at all.
      So a single minimum dose (which I was prescribed for back injury) was about equivalent to 5x the maximum dose.
      The reaction far from alters you cognitively, it mainly just makes you lazy and dizzy.

      Regardless, very few people who speak publicly, practice what they preach. (look at every church who wants to help the poor, but owns an ornate building).
      Going public, and entering rehab in the first place, at least proves his 'self improvement' philosophy isn't all talk and no action.

      I still only agree with about 50% of what he says, plenty is a little too shoehorned into boxes for me to be comfortable….

      However, just like I hate Trump to the core, I always corrected people who claimed he told people to inject things (he didn't).
      Peterson was addicted to what are basically painkillers with a slow-down side effect; not antipsychotics.

      • petry on 23/01/2021 - 14:42
        +2

        "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that'

        What he said word for word (trump)

        • MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 14:52

          Thank you for proving my point.
          No instruction to inject bleach, and the next part:

          "so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors"

          Was sure to state that whatever it is couldn't be self administered, you would have to use medical doctors.

          Dude's an absolute git.
          I want nothing to do with supporting him; but as you've just quoted;
          no instruction to do anything, and a requirement for whatever it is, to be done only by doctors.

          I just want facts, not media spin thanks.

          • bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 15:11

            @MasterScythe:

            no instruction to do anything, and a requirement for whatever it is, to be done only by doctors.

            i don't think it was that coherant

            "so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors"

            doesn't mean anything, it's gobbledygook

            it is not a statement that says;

            Was sure to state that whatever it is couldn't be self administered, you would have to use medical doctors.

            • MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 15:54
              +4

              @bargain huntress: The whole speech is as such though.
              It's worth re-watching uncut if it's been a few days.
              There were nods to the doctors during it, and other cues.

              The biggest failing of the man (of MANY) was that he wasn't articulate on a podium, unless it was self-praise.

              I can totally agree that his doctor statement lacked authority;
              Though, be fair, it was just as authoritative as "something like"; "almost" and "interesting to check".

              The whole speech is a bloody laughing stock, but if those weakly-spoken uncertainties are construed as "go home and inject yourself"?
              Well, I'm basically never one to call for Darwin sorting itself out, but man, that's getting pretty close.
              Also, the word bleach, specifically, was media spin.

              Infliction is fascinating in that speech; along with downward right glances?
              The dude's never sounded so unsure of himself in his life.

    • bargain huntress on 23/01/2021 - 14:23

      sadly i am forced to observe that those who take the words and writings of someone addicted to antipsychotics quite depressing.

      but clonazepam isn't an antipsychotic

      it's a benzodiazepine

      it's an antianxiety and antiseizure and antispastic drug

      it is sometimes given to people who are psychotic, but it doesn't help their psychosis

      • petry on 23/01/2021 - 14:35
        +1

        'it is sometimes given to people who are psychotic, but it doesn't help their psychosis'

        It is often given to help some manage their condition because taking other medications may require a cessation of their licence to practice.

        In this case despite documented addiction they have never had their licence suspended which says it all really…

        • MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 14:40
          +2

          No, it's usually because the calming side effect is complimentary to whichever medication they're on for psychosis.
          Also, psychosis extremely commonly comes with 'nerve pain'.
          There's a move toward pregabalin (Lyrica) in Australia instead these days.

          You seem very opinionated, but either poor at communicating, else, uneducated, on these types of medication.

          • petry on 23/01/2021 - 14:46

            @MasterScythe: 'You seem very opinionated, but either poor at communicating, else, uneducated, on these types of medication'

            name calling and abuse is your forte not mine …

            Your personal opinion that no medical professional self medicates is duly noted as well…in addition to your personal decision to ignore the fact that at no point has his licence ever been suspended for his addictions….

            • MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 14:47

              @petry:

              name calling and abuse is your forte not mine …

              Can you cite somewhere that this has happened?

              • petry on 23/01/2021 - 14:53
                -1

                @MasterScythe: 'You seem very opinionated, but either poor at communicating, else, uneducated' - you posted that a few minutes ago

                • MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 14:54

                  @petry: Can you highlight the abuse or name calling please?

                  • petry on 23/01/2021 - 14:56
                    -1

                    @MasterScythe: why do you have issues with your memory as well as manners?

                    • MasterScythe on 23/01/2021 - 14:58

                      @petry: No, no, just waiting for the example you're claiming.

                      I used no proper nouns, and only highlighted your demonstrated knowledge within this topic.
                      I genuinely can't see anywhere that I've attacked your character.

                      I probably should have said 'poor at communicating within this topic';
                      If that's what you meant, sorry, that could have been interpreted as a generalization. I'm glad I could clarify.

                      Hopfuly that's cleared up.

                      • petry on 23/01/2021 - 15:00
                        -1

                        @MasterScythe: i note the confirmation of your memory issues, and your further attempts to annoy because that's who you are and why you post what you do.

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