Got the description from previous deal https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/588980
Height, tilt, pivot Adjustable ; p, Built in Speaker :|
Average refresh rate and PPI/res is overkill for the size
8ms average response time/4ms g2g
99% sRGB colour average
1 x DP / 2 x HDMI 2.0
1300:1 contrast is good for IPS
Around 9kg
Coupon Code: LOVEKEANU
For the price, yes. You can't find the second option at the moment. At least one month waiting time, all the factories will be shut down during Chinese new year holiday in China (about two weeks).
ive got a dell 27' QHD monitor im using. But since upgrading from a 2015 iMac 5k, the QHD minior looks horrible in comparison. Looking for a 4k monitor so at least it will look close to what the 5k imac was showing.
Is that the excuse for getting a 4K monitor? QHD looks horrible… really?
@Anonymous18: Mainly texts? Or, you can really spot the difference easily in movies/videos and image quality?
Your iMac screen doesn't have a matte finish. That can sometimes give people an impression that things look sharper.
I tested this monitor on a couple of Macbook Pros. Works fine. I don't use my Macs with the 4K monitor coz. my PC has a much better graphics card (and UHD blu ray playback on a Mac is a real pain). I use a Macbook Pro for work, and that just uses a 2K 27 inch display. I do hope larger size 4K monitors will become more affordable. 27 inch 4K/5K, I don't really think you can see that 4K/5K difference that easy.
@netsurfer: mainly text/web and some videos. I use it for office based work. But just doesn't look as sharp.
Valid point on the gloss v matt finish, but i think the difference in resolution is noticeable. Im just after a cost effective solution to provide a retina feel and look.
@Anonymous18: Regarding the 2K 27 inch monitor is not sharp, are you referring to texts being blurry or you are seeing parts of the text pixelated? If it is the latter, it is not actually "not sharp", it is more that your brain is used to the retina resolution (supersampled anti-aliased) look and/or your eyesight is good and you need higher res to prevent you seeing the pixels.
When doing the comparison, you need to ensure you get 2K video materials vs 4K video materials. If you compared 1080p source video on a 2K screen vs 4K source video on a 4K (or 5K) screen, then it is not a fair comparison. At 27 inch, 1080p source vs 4K source video, you can notice the difference quite easily. 2K vs 4K, side by side on 27 inch, you generally need to look closely (and you do need a proper 4K source).
If your issue is the pixelated texts are annoying, then get a 4K screen no question. If 2K screen texts are actually blurry, the it is either really poor quality screen or some config/software related issue. Also, as you also noticed, glossy screens do give people the impression that things look sharper. To be fair, once you experienced an Apple glossy screen / monitor, your demand/expectation from a monitor becomes higher (still don't get why most PC monitors still prefer to go for the matte finish).
@netsurfer: I think it's more to do with the borked fonts that Apple use, so it doesn't look good on standard resolutions (1080/2k/4k), but only the Apple weird resolutions (1880/3-something/5k). With Mac, you gotta dish out for their proprietary stuff or just live with the fact that text will look bad.
My 4k Samsung looks awesome on Windows, but text looks borked if I connect the MBP to it.
Dunno why anyone would buy a Mac (I'm forced to use it coz of work).
@Anonymous18: I've used multiple 1440p and 4k monitors at work (or at home while working) due to being forced to use MBP for work for a number of years.
I've noticed text always looks borked on these monitors compared to the laptop screen itself (both MBP 2016 and the latest one with the touch bar).
The same screens look perfect on Windows.
I suggest you go to an Apple store and ask them to check your laptop on a 4k monitor.
Also what's wrong with using your old 2015 iMac as a monitor for your new kit?
Also what's wrong with using your old 2015 iMac as a monitor for your new kit?
None of the retina iMacs support target display mode. You can get third party driver boards but they only make sense if you happen to have a 5K iMac with a dud motherboard.
@Anonymous18: I bought the full hd of the s series, and it's perfect at 100% zoom on windows 10. Any higher resolution, and is have to zoom in, making for a worse overall experience. I envy your eyesight, but screens on general will make it worse over time, unfortunately.
@Anonymous18: From my limited experience (work has been using 27 inch 2K monitors at least 2 years now and started switching people to 4K monitors (27 inch), work used to let me use a Apple 2K 27 inch monitor, I have access to multiple 2K monitors and 4K monitors at home:
If your issue is the pixelated texts annoy you a lot, then 4K@27 inch certainly will help. My 4K video sources are limited and 4K UHD disc playback on PC is a pain (on Mac is basically impossible). I generally don't consume 4K videos on my Mac so I don't really see the need to connect the Mac to a 4K monitor, but if your household is pure Mac setup, then obviously, it does make sense.
@netsurfer: I have a 5K and 4K monitor attached to my mac mini, with the 4k set to 2560x1440.
This gives windows the same dimensions, so you can have them spanning two monitors and they'll look the same size.
The 5K uses double ("retina") resolution (so 2560 x 1400 pixels) which looks crystal clear.
The 4K monitor doesn't have quite as many pixels (of course) but you still get more crisp text than a traditional 2560x1440 monitor.
@SirDale: No, you don't run your 4K at 2560x1440. Your 4K monitor is set to 4K, the OS and/or the apps then perform display scaling so it looks like 1440p resolution. If you ACTUALLY run your 4K at 2K resolution, it will look worse than 2K as the monitor is forced to run in interpolation mode. Macs generally don't offer you that option, but you can do that on PC (force it to go 2K resolution, and there is no way it looks sharper than a 2K screen at 2K resolution).
The 4K monitor STILL runs at 4K and that's why videos still look more detailed. The reason it works fine is because modern browsers do support display scaling (they have to, because with mobile phones, they already been coded that way). Same goes for video players. They scale the UI (then apply anti-aliasing on the text), but keeps the video part intact. In display scaling mode, when you playback a video source that 2K or full HD, it depends on whether the video software provides additional smart upscaling or not. Generally, watching a 1080p video using a browser on a 4K screen does not provide more detail (coz. the source simply lacks the detail). Thus, texts is generally the area where you can notice the difference, unless you are someone who has access to full on true 4K videos.
Mac users generally don't run into apps with display scaling issue, but PC users with older apps do (so it is more obvious what's happening behind the scene).
The thing with "sharpness" is that it is not suppose to be resolution dependent. We now change that term. Sure, if you use a 3 point text or 5 point text on a 4K screen, due to having more pixels, it can display more detail. I do get the "new" definition of crisp text.
@netsurfer: If you use a 4K monitor with macOS and you use the 'looks like 2560x1440' scaling mode, then it actually renders everything at 5120x2880 (5K) and then downscales to 3840x2160 (4K).
I use a 4K 27" (3840x2160 - Acer XV273KP) monitor at home and a 5K 27" (5120x2880 - Dell UP2715K) monitor at work. The 5K for daily use is a joy since it's so damn clear and sharp at 1440p scaling mode. My 4K monitor is still fine in that same mode, but it is slightly more blurry for text and graphical elements on-screen. Both options still look way better than 27" 2560x1440 native though. It's hard to go back to sub-120ppi monitors when you're used to such high pixel density.
If you use a 4K monitor with macOS and you use the 'looks like 2560x1440' scaling mode, then it actually renders everything at 5120x2880 (5K) and then downscales to 3840x2160 (4K).
Does that option actually looks good? I'm really torn on which mode to use when this monitor arrives. I have used the 4k native and the 1080p retina mode, but I never tried this mode. So far I'm leaning toward the retina mode.
@TimApple: It's pretty subjective. Take a look at the shimmer example in this article. Most people probably won't notice that kind of thing but it may bug you or crimp your workflow.
@TimApple: I find 1080p HiDPI/retina mode on a 27” 4K monitor looks great for text, but interface elements are too large. 1440p retina mode is fine though.
Yes, Dell S range, for the lack of a better word, Suck.
There's a reason there so cheap and always have specials.
Once you Ultrasharp or Retina, there's no going back.
It's a cost effective 4K monitor though you probably won't be using the maximum more space option due to it being 27 inch. The setting you will use will more likely feel like 2K resolution (in terms of desktop space), but has the "retina" feel.
Due to HDMI 2.0 limitation, you get at most 4K + HDR 4:2:2 (if you are not using HDR, then 4:4:4 is supported). If you were to use DisplayPort (which does support 4K HDR 4:4:4), you need that Apple dongle adapter. If you have no idea what 4:4:4 and 4:2:2 are, or you won't use the maximum more space option (or not going to bother with HDR), then you don't need to worry about it. Honestly, being HDR400, this monitor's HDR isn't good.
Monitor has built in speakers, but don't expect much. Do use the included HDMI cable. While HDMI 2.0 has that bandwidth limitation, at 4K HDR, even at 4:2:2, it does use more bandwidth than just 4K without HDR so rubbish cheapo HDMI cables won't work.
Also have a M1 Mac Mini. Was thinking either this one or the Kogan one: https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/kogan-27-ultra-hd-4k-ips-freesy…
Specs wise definitely Kogan is worse. But I do like the frameless Kogan design more. Not a big fan of the dell logo so probably will cover it with some stickers if I end up buying this one.
Kogan logo is better? I doubt it. QS, you get HDR (okay, HDR400 is nothing to write home about, but it is better than nothing), VESA height adjustable stand. A proper HDMI 2.0a cable is included in the Dell and you get inbuilt speakers (low quality though).
Dell uses LG panel, Kogan uses AUO panel. While I don't have anything against AUO panels, the fact Kogan quoted 250cd/m² suggests an older batch or a cheaper batch. After my Kogan TV experience (if Kogan did use Samsung panel for that TV, Kogan must have used a panel Samsung rejected as I've never seen a Samsung panel that bad. Also, the firmware Kogan put in - complete rubbish), I cannot recommend Kogan branded products.
perfect for mac
Why such long time on shipping?
I think they are selling stock that hasn't even been built yet. They probably take all the orders to secure stock from the production line as it gets allocated globally. Basically a pre-order.
(Same thing happened with the S3221QS I ordered, and a whole bunch of other Dell monitors)
Built-in speakers are underrated. It's so convenient.
Depends on the speakers but many are fine for the office but not so convenient for media or gaming when they're tinny and horrible. (I don't have specific experience with this model, but ASUS VG279Q is AWFUL). Especially if you're going to connect a console or set top box via HDMI. Thankfully this has a line out port so as long as that works correctly and passes through the audio from HDMI you should be able to get audio to a decent set of speakers. I'm now using a small audio mixer in my set up and am very happy.
Have these as well and I have to agree. Convenient if you just need the sound of alerts and maybe light media like some YT videos every now and then. If you mainly plan to do more media like Netflix and such, you might wanna get a different audio solution.
Been using the S2721Q for a few months, great monitor for my PS5 and watching movies, switch looks pretty good on it too.
I ordered one at these at end of Nov 2020 and it was delivered within 2 weeks. Great monitor, I was able to get a good calibration/profile with the i1 Display. Built in speaker produce sound, dont depend on them for much.
I have mine connected to a Humanscale arm, but did use the included stand for about a week, no problems with it.
@aim54x - which humanscale arm did you pair with this monitor?
I went with the M8.2 double, I have one of these and a S2421HN in vertical.
When your monitor arm costs more than your monitor! :P
Awesome, thanks
What do you think of the color uniformity/whites? I'm planning on getting this for hobby graphic design but I'm very sensitive to color shifts on solid whites and grays. Returned a few monitors already because of this issue, it seems to be quite common with this IPS panels. Another fellow I asked said he hasn't noticed anything on his unit but I figure it'd be better to ask a sample, especially from someone who does some color work!
Great monitor, I was able to get a good calibration/profile with the i1 Display.
Do you have the icc profile you could share? Many users are reporting the RTings profile doesn't work. Would be nice to see if the colors are close enough before deciding to invest in one myself.
You are best of buying a profiler, in the short term they are expensive, but in the long run they are your best friend.
Yes, I'll probably get one when the prices come down, just hesitant if I need it as a hobbyist. Apologies if I bombarded you with too many questions.
Ordered this last November, delivery was first set to December and then changed to January 2021. At present it has been pushed back to March end.
same
Do they charge your card upon order or when shipped?
Same
Charged on order but you don't get an invoice until it ships
Ouch.
Bought one of these to sit next to my S2721DGF. My laptop really can't handle much in 4k/60 without having an issue with it. But my ps5 looks amazing on games such as Days Gone, Valhalla and BOCW. Can't fault it considering I paid $280 by memory.
I am afraid it was $299. Btw, do you have any issue with white background of videos?
It hurted my eyes a lot with white background. I wonder whether it was caused by my laptop's graphic card
You are right! I am thinking of the non-stand variant I think?
I found it hurt my eyes non-stop when running off my Laptop, I just couldn't get it right! I found plugging in a Mini Display Port to Display port cable helped a bit. But honestly my Laptop just does not like 4k at all.
Have not found any issues on Ps5, I have enjoyed every second.
I am still waiting for my order placed in early Jan.
Ordered this in November, got it a few weeks ago
For me as I wasn’t in a rush it was worth the wait and I’m glad I have it now
The picture clarity is amazing. Just wish I could have this resolution with 75 or 100 hz without spending over 1k
You can with a VA panel
Like which monitors?
ok nevermind me. I thought freesync monitors are easily overclocked to 75, I guess that only applies to QHD panels.
Nice monitor, but you do need to use display port rather than HDMI. Otherwise it is limited to 30Hz and cannot do HDR.
I don't think that is correct, I use this via hdmi with my xbox series x and the console detexts it being 60hz with hdr and variable refresh rate at 4k.
Everything I've played on it looks great.
Sounds like you don’t have a HDMI 2 port mate.
Got the S2721Q last week, is that the same?
Stacked with a bunch of coupons for $264.84
that's a great price. share coupons ? thx
I used LOVEKEANU and stacked with another coupon given by Dell for previous purchase ($60)
I guess your $60 Dell coupon is a one time use?
So S2721Q with LOVEKEANU is $324.84 and this one S2721QS is $357.40.
Only $32.56 for adjustable screen movement. I wonder if it's worth it, but I think I'll get this one.
Hi Moorey, how much do you need to spend to get a coupon? I'm wondering if I can purchase one monitor, get a coupon, then use it for a second monitor.
@griftr: This, I think is still on: "Get up to 5% back (*Capped at $100) on purchases as a discount coupon for your next purchase. Terms and conditions apply."
no difference apart from the stand having more movement options on the S2721QS.
I got the S2721Q, and will be using vesa
Do we really need Freesync for a 60Hz monitor?
At 4k yeah, some games will dip below that at ultra settings
Most mid range GPUs are just below 60fps at 4K so yeah it's handy to have. You can get 50-55fps and still get a nice smooth experience.
Keanu loves waiting till 2022 to get a monitor delivered.
Every time I see a year in the 2020's written onscreen I feel like I'm living in the future and 20 years somehow just slipped me by.
Does cashrewards work when using this coupon code?
60hz freesync? So that's what 48-60hz, a 12hz window of VRR? Lame.
I wish people would give more color space stats than just sRGB.
Doesn't have LFC either. Honestly, this monitor is really bad with FreeSync. I get screen tearing if the frame rate touches 58-60fps. It has to be around 50-55 to provide a clean vsync-less experience.
Got a S2721DS on the recent ebay deal - wondering if I should cancel and opt for this instead? (Higher resolution, contrast, HDR…)
+1 same question
kind of hoping we can get a solid deal for a 32" 4K display in the foreseeable future but this looks like a well-specced panel so im tempted to jump on it anyway
I'm not sure why LG Australia decided not to import the LG 32UN650-W (32" 4K IPS) - that would have been the best budget 32" 4K option I reckon (CPL and MWave were listing it at $649). Only thing I can guess is that it would have cannibalised sales of their cheaper VA 32" 4K monitors and more expensive IPS 32" 4K gaming monitors…
I got sick of waiting, and got Dell S3221QS for $499. Suits my needs! (I would have paid the extra for the LG 32UN650-W, but can't be bothered with trying to import one myself!)
I'd be keen on a S3221QS to use for a year or so until HDMI 2.1 monitors are cheaply available…
Just found the Philips 328E1CA is $449 at the usual PC places (Umart, etc), and the Viewsonic VX3211-4K is $479 - out of the two I'd get the Philips, as I'd prefer the curve.
The Dell would be a better choice if it was back at the $499 mark though I think.
Some info to note on this monitor:
PC:
Mac:
PS5 (also applicable to PS4, PS4 Pro):
XBox Series S|X (also applicable to XBox One X, S):
I agree with getting a quality Display Port Cable.
Bought cheap no brand 4K rated display port cable, wasted a few hours trying to get it work on a few computers. Random displays but usually no display.
I almost bought a new video card because I thought the one I had did not support it because it is pretty old. I tried slightly more expensive certified (a few bucks more) cable and it worked straight off. What a relief.
Can you recommend a good DP cable? I am looking for one for my Dell G7 17 2070 so it needs to be miniDP to DP.
I don't have mini Display Port, but I got this Ugreen (mine was certified tested)
https://www.ijk.com.au/branch/ijk/product/160658m1081/10244.…
The important spec (for 4K), is Displayport v1.2 spec and 21.6 Gbit/s bandwidth (this may not be mentioned by many cables in the spec though)
The equivalent Ugreen mini Displayport to Displayport cable would of been;
https://www.ugreen.com/products/mini-dp-thunderbolt-2-to-dp-…
But I cannot find one listed for sale in AU. (I did not look that hard).
Found this one;
https://www.mwave.com.au/product/startech-18m-mini-displaypo…
It's got the specs listed.
But any v1.2 cable should work, just stay away from the generic/no brand ones and you should be good. (but no harm trying the generic ones, it may work).
It depends on how much you want to spend I guess, I went the cheapest route first :( The shop let me return the generic one I got and paid a few bucks more for the better one.
You can use a v1.4 8K cable too if you want, but it is over spec.
Hope it helps.
@fredk1000: Thank you very much.
If I wanted a miniDP to HDMI, this would be the specs to go for? DP 1.2 and HDMI 2.0?
https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B01BI7Y6DU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_f…
@lomie: Does your laptop not already have HDMI? Could you not just use that, just a HDMI 2.0 or does the 2070 not work via the HDMI?
If you get one of these adapters, you would need a HDMI 2.0 cable anyway?
I am not sure about these mDP to HDMI converters, can be hit and miss sometimes.
Maybe something like this; (I have never used these before but spec looks okay)
https://www.mwave.com.au/product/volans-active-mini-displayp…
It's mDP v1.4 to HDMI 2.0b similar price, it says it does 4K@60Hz.
If you look hard enough, you can get a mDP to HDMI in one cable, the ones I see only do mDP to HDMI but only 4K@30Hz.
Are you using the monitor DP already for something else?
I use the DP for my computer (computer done not have HDMI anyway) , and save the HDMI for my consoles, etc.
@fredk1000: The Dell has miniDP, HDMI and USB-C. If I wanted to connect 2 external monitors, I would use the miniDP and HDMI first. I'm just leaving my options open if I do need to take the laptop somewhere and all they've got are HDMI monitors/TVs.
I've got the gigabyte 1660 super and I don't think it supports HDCP 2.2 whereas msi's 1660 super does, damn. It does have 3x displayport 1.4 though. What features am I losing out on without HDCP 2.2?
Dell should consider naming their next coupon code "STILLKEANU"
Ordered one, estimated ship date 2 March
Any 4K monitors that are >60Hz under $1000?
This is a very nice display. I got 2x of the 1440P IPS screens, one to pair with a 1080P desktop which is perfect. The other as an extension for a small XPS 13 4K unit. And it looks better on the 1080P, I should have gotten this one to match the 4K on my XPS 13 instead.
Would this be a good value 4k monitor to use as a reading monitor (in a vertical position)?
I'm also interested in opinions using this monitor for Microsoft word and reading documents, general work stuff
I don't see any other deals for 4k monitors that you can rotate. At least nothing around this price. Unless you're willing to spend $700+ I think this may be your only choice.
I would just get whichever monitor suits your needs, and then just put it on an aftermarket monitor arm (eg. North Bayou).
I have my S3221QS on a North Bayou H80. The cheaper F80 would work for a 27" (I actually tried the 32" on an F80 initially, which worked fine if the monitor is stationary in portrait, but there is not enough clearance to rotate the screen between portrait and landscape - corner of the monitor will hit the desk when rotating. I would have had to move the monitor away from the desk to rotate, which would have been a hassle! But a 27" would be fine on an F80).
You can also get a discount on the S2721D with the LOVEKEANU code. Same monitor only the 2k/QHD 2560 x 1440 version. I have two and they are awesome. $279ea
I was looking at getting 2 of these as well. What do you use it for mainly? I need them for my WFH setup, mostly for programming
They are awesome! - Sorry for the late response here! Yeah I just have the set up for WFH, uni and general use. Love the 1440p resolution I think its perfect for this size. I chucked them on this stand (https://brateck.com.au/product/mabt-ldt30-t024/) which I cannot recommend enough. Got them lined up perfectly, right height - just awesome.
Some pics:
https://imgur.com/q9gnpiw
https://imgur.com/ELZK2xe
https://imgur.com/tXHOlBR
Nice! I ended it ordering two of these and were delivered within 3 days. I was after a stand too so will probably end up with exactly the same setup as you!
Love the monitors though. 1440p is awesome but might have to use 125% scaling.
Interested but not long ago for black friday price was much cheaper hmm
Ordered 2 of these monitors on Jan 28th and they were delivered today. Fast service and they are very good. Nothing to complain about at all. :-)
Is this a good monitor to pair with the m1 mac mini?