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Sharp Aquos V, 5.9" FHD, 4GB / 64GB / Snapdragon 835 Smartphone A$167.83 Delivered @ Banggood

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What is PWM? From NOTEBOOKCHECK

PWM is a very rapid frequency of on/off states of the digital signal to achieve a result similar to what could be achieved on a plain Analog signal. If you wanted 70% screen brightness for example, you would simply need to keep the digital signal on for 70% of the time and off for 30% of the time your screen was turned on. This is done rapidly, with the frequency measured in Hertz (Hz), or number of times per second. The faster the frequency, the less noticeable the off states become, until the resulting effect is indistinguishable from what an analog signal would produce.

Is PWM necessary? In short, yes. PWM is used not only for LCD monitor brightness, but most forms of finite control in electronic devices today. Servo motors and fan speed control (you may notice that case fans for a computer will sometimes be rated as with PWM) are two common implementations of PWM. New technology such as what is found in smartphones is too small and designed to use too little power to utilize any alternatives such as analog controllers.

Why does it cause eye strain, nausea and headaches?
Low PWM frequencies on a screen are undesirable by our own standards. This is because low PWM may cause users to complain of eye strain, nausea, and headache, due to the blinking of the screen backlight at a low enough frequency to be noticeable, which causes multiple contractions and expansions of the pupils.

High enough frequencies are less straining on users due to the Flicker Fusion Threshold of the human eye. This function of the eye allows a flickering light at a high enough frequency to appear as if it was steadily on. When the frequency is low enough, the above symptoms can appear and cause problems for the user. Since with LCD monitors the image on a screen is always present and the backlight is what actually flashes, this allows brightness control on a persistent image. Unfortunately, since most screens are marketed and designed to have a higher brightness level than desirable for safe viewing as backed by this study over at Retro-PC-Mania, most users should be using lowered brightness levels for safe viewing (between 30-40% depending on the screen), which makes it more common that users would run into such an issue. It should also be noted that as brightness levels decrease, the need for higher PWM frequencies increase, because with lengthier “off” times, the interval between “on” times must be short enough to keep the steady appearance of the flickering light. For example, take the PWM test of the Dell XPS 15 2016 (9550) Infinity Edge below — it is only easily perceptible at 10% brightness or less.


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  • +5

    url is truncated. it should be https://au.banggood.com/SHARP-AQUOS-V-Global-Version-5_9-inc…

    no b28, no nfc

    • +3

      Yeah. This will be a good challenge to midrange phones that sport midrange cpu's. This has flagship processor but a few year's old. You could pickup a used flagship phone with same cpu for a bit more, but its age might be showing. This brand new so should be okay/

      • @mtg The linked review below says it has Band 28.

        • Yes, Sharp typically do have band 28.

  • +4

    Released Nov 2019 according to GSM Arena.
    Battery - 3090 mAh.

    • +2

      Yeah, but its flagship processor may be holding well against the snapdragon 665.

      • +1

        Would rather downgrade to a lower chip but newer phone with NFC tbh or get an older branded flagship phone with all the features.

        • +1

          Got any links to those suggestions for around the same price as this?

          • +2

            @WatchNerd: Maybe OPPO A52, Xiaomi ?
            But the skins are more heavy and not as well optimised as this. This is stock android, no bloatware.
            You will seriously feel the difference between them, even if the processor on one is lower.

            • +1

              @[Deactivated]: This one looks fine to me, almost amazing, how can they stick an 835 into a cheap phone?

              I have no use for nfc and wont be using much in the way of b28 carriers.

              • +2

                @tonyjzx: Yes, optimization and skin the manufacturer puts on is so important! I have a Lenovo K5 Pro (snapdragon 636) with stock android skin. It's well optimized and very fast. In comparing it to Realme 6's & Oppo A52's (better processors), they were much more sluggish and not ideally optimized.

              • @tonyjzx: Isn't it only Telstra that uses band 28? If so I'm keen as I'm not with them.
                NFC I couldn't care less, my current device has it and I don't use it.

                • @[Deactivated]: Optus uses it a lot as well. Only Voda doesn't use it, favouring Band 5. But as always it depends where you are how much it matters.

                  • @ethan961: Oh, ok, I'm the Optus network so I might pass on this one. Is there any Sharp one with Snapdragon 835 and Band 28, does anyone know?

          • +1

            @WatchNerd: Keep in mind that you can get old flagships with the same processor for around this price. But they will be showing their age; battery life, screen burn etc. This is brand new.

            Here is a review: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Sharp-Aquos-V-Smartphone-Revie…

            Also be careful with benchmark figures, MediaTek figures are inflated. Testing it in game shows its true capabilities…

            • @[Deactivated]: Which one has the most battery life?

              I honestly just need my phone to have the largest battery life, receive calls, watch videos, listen to music and maybe have nfc for opal and pay services but that is totally optional.

              Worst thing is running out of battery on the last leg home or not being able to access trip view when trying to find your way somewhere.

    • +1

      It has 2017 specs though, although a galaxy S8 from the same year goes for 250-300

  • -5

    This uses pwm. No deal.

    • +4

      2358 Hz ≤ 10 % brightness setting

      The display backlight flickers at 2358 Hz (Likely utilizing PWM) Flickering detected at a brightness setting of 10 % and below. There should be no flickering or PWM above this brightness setting.

      The frequency of 2358 Hz is quite high, so most users sensitive to PWM should not notice any flickering.

    • +5

      Well so does each and every other OLED/AMOLED phone!

      So you're saying all the phone deals on OB of which mainly utilize PWM are not deals. That's all the Galaxies and iphones.

      PWM is fine if it occurs in low brightness's, the real trouble would be in the low frequencies and at all brightness levels. Likewise, always good to know.

      You'd almost certainly come into a phone that utilizes PWM, so I don't see why this exact phone is a no deal…

  • +1

    Pwm is a compromise. Apple is unwilling to use it but forced to because all the other competitors are advertising Amoled whose only advantage is contrast. To achieve the same contract, LCD has to use mini or micro led as backlight. If you do not care so much about contrast, you will see lcd is still the best and all professional monitors are all using lcd. If you harm an artist’s eyes it’s definitely a crime. That is why all iPads are using lcd instead of amoled. Hopefully mini led will be used in 2021. And the eye-harming amoled will finally come to an end.

    • And of course low end LCD still uses pwm

      • +1

        Some low end phones do not utilize pwm. I also believe pwm is a real drawback! It's something I seriously factor in.

        • Do you know which phone doesn't use Pwm?
          I'm starting to take it seriously unlike before.

          • @Mi2: What phone do you have? Or are you looking to purchase a phone?

            A spectrophotometer can tell you what phones don't use PWM.

            • @[Deactivated]: I use a pixel 2 and I'm about to purchase another pixel or any other phone that might have a pixel like camera, even if it's an iPhone.
              But not having Pwm is becoming more important to me than camera. I might go with OnePlus as I've heard it uses DC.

              • +2

                @Mi2: DC Dimming is not a lifesaver! Iphone SE or Iphone XR are good options. No PWM with okay camera's.

    • Newer AMOLED screens will have DC dimming

      MIGHT cost you arm and leg for flagship screens

      Still AMOLED can save up to 20% battery

      • +1

        DC Dimming will still have flicker.

      • -5

        arrogant. Dc dimming is achievable on any amoled. However if using amoled at low brightness it can never compete with a normal lcd screen. Every spec go significantly down. The problem lies in voltage control.
        For lcd the control of backlight and color is separated. The lcd is responsible for color. And backlight is responsible for brightness. The lcd cannot generate any light itself.
        For Amoled, every single pixel can represent color and light at the same time so no backlight is needed. When it is working at it’s working voltage everything is working fine. However if you lower the voltage, the brightness definitely going down but the color reproduction is greatly affected. If you put the voltage even lower the situation get much worse.
        That is why manufacturer have to use pwm to control brightness. Pwm ensures amoled always work at 100% working voltage to work as demanded. So to adjust screen brightness ithe amoled with be turned on and off very quickly. Let’s say you want 50% brightness the amoled will be turned on for 1/240 second and off for 1/240 second continuously. Why 240? Because amoled will not work well if the time is shorter.

        • Yeah, that's why for so many Flagship phones are a no go. DC Dimming won't solve everything. You'd just be jumping into a host of other drawbacks. Still flickers aswell.

          • +1

            @[Deactivated]: They kill your eyes. If your think eyes worth more than the phone, definitely consider twice

            • @theabyss: You're right, but most people don't give it much thought and blindlessly buy away…

            • @theabyss: Where's this information on them killing people's eyes?

    • I thought PMW is an issue regardless of the panel type so not sure why you're attributing that solely to AMOLED. I hate PWM in cheaper laptops and monitors, but flagship phone AMOLED PWM frequency is too high to be noticed (therefore minimum eye fatigue - please correct me if I'm wrong). But boy, the AMOLED contrast.. Isn't that a real thing..? I would take the nastiest AMOLED or POLED over the best LCD any day. And I don't see how mini/ Micro LED backlight with LCD could achieve the same contrast as AMOLED, basically, you're comparing a completely turned-off LED with not so turned off LCD with no backlit, not the same thing.

      • +2

        Amoled pwm is typically super low at 100-240Hz. And lcd contrast is not bad at high end level. Lcd will not change over the years.the change lies in its backlight. With super small led bulb. You can turn the dark area bulbs off and bright area on. So that the contest can compete with amoled.
        And Samsung used 80Hz before.

        • Yes, using dark mode may help. But not by much.

      • That's incorrect. The issue is most prevalent in flagship devices; the frequency is extremely low and occurs in almost all brightness levels. This is also our most common source of exposure. PWM also exists in LCD's, however the frequency is high enough for it to be disregarded and does not occur at all brightness levels. Yes, hands down, the newer technology will look better compared to LCD's but it does come with a major set back. Phone's that come with TUV Rhineland Low Blue Certification generally do not have PWM.

  • Had this phone. Lasted 12 months. Was on the beach when a huge wave came up, phone was in my pocket and it got water damage and never recovered. I did everything to save it. It was like something got dislodged as I did manage to turn it on but it said battery was not connected.
    So connections aren't very stable FYI.

    If it wasn't for that the phone was amazing.

    • How much did you buy it for? Got any thoughts on it? Was it fast or slow one?

    • I had an aquos S2 and that died almost exactly at 12 months, no known reason.

      • Really? There's always a reason. What happened?

      • +5

        My S2 has been to hell and back. Still going strong after too many drops.

        • That's the thing. There's always a reason why a phone would die. It won't just do it for "no reason". It peels open just like a computer.

        • My S2 still going strong…with a cracked/chipped screen, and years of using!

  • surprised Sharp is still around

    • always have under the guise of foxconn

    • +1

      last I heard Sharp is one of the more popular mobile phone brands in Japan, and they still are?

      • The Last I heard of Sharp was my calculator in high school

  • Pretty big phone 76mm across

    the camera has OIS though

    • how is the camera?

  • +5

    Interesting phone.
    For me, the positives are the low price, headphone jack, camera with IOS, rear mounted fingerprint sensor, weight of 173g and the IPS panel which has no PWM above 10% brightness, and when below the frequency is above 2kHz so it may hopefully be a lower risk.
    The negatives are the lack of NFC, IP68 water resistance, fairly wide body which may be harder to operate one handed, and of course band 28 LTE.

    Here is a review
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Sharp-Aquos-V-Smartphone-Revie…

    • glad to hear people give pwm a real consider!

      • +2

        For me it is often my primary consideration.

        • Same, like you have you experienced the strain from oleds/amoleds?

          • @[Deactivated]: Yes. The only OLED screen I can comfortably use is the LG v30 above 42% brightness, and the S20 FE above 30%.
            I had some success running the LG v50 with the OLED Saver app.
            All others I have tried so far cause irritation.

            • @[Deactivated]: Same as, was not comfortable with a Galaxy S5 and Tab S2. Thought I just had bad eyes.

            • @[Deactivated]: What settings work for you in the V50? After tweaking OLED saver to the equiv of when PWM kicks in (around 55% I recall), any further dimming seriously degrade PQ. So ends up far too bright for night use in the dark.

              • @chyawala: Sorry but I can't remember what the setting was, but it was quite bright and the colours were off/pale.
                It was set to high initial brightness in the settings, around 80-90% of maximum I think.

  • Most people just want high refresh rate and high touch rates

    Has anyone put a night filter on at night and still keep the brighteness up?

  • +1

    My sharp c10 has no b28 and it does just fine, using Telstra, everywhere in Sydney I've been.
    I think this aquos v is too big for the screen size you get .

    • depends on who you are. 5.91 isn't considered that large nowadays

      • +2

        5.91 inches on an IMAX aspect ratio (12.7:9) is huge and unpocketable.
        5.91 inches on a Cinema aspect ratio (21:9) is medium and comfortable.

        ….the Aspect Ratio matters!

        • huh? 18:9 ratio.

          • +2

            @[Deactivated]: 76mm width for a screen less than 6 inch is pretty chunky, is it 9mm deep?!!!

            Must have big forehead and chin

            • +1

              @[Deactivated]: Agree. My old Nokia 6.1 although only a 5.5" size screen was 75.8mm wide and that felt and looked really wide.

  • I got a sharp from Banggood a few years back and it never arrives. Is it still safe to get it from them again?

    • seriously it never came? the parcels have tracking

  • I keep seeing these phones that keep popping up what iPhone is this on par with?

    • hard to say

    • +11

      Definitely better than any iPhone you get for $167.

  • +1

    There's a Sharp Aquos S3 ending soon on ebay. Has lower SD630, but has the IGZO panel, NFC, B28. There's a LOS 17.1 ROM (Android 10) for it on xda-developers.

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/303928447480

    • +2

      if you get it for $90 or less its a deal

    • +1

      haha good guess. sold for $95. I would say that is an alright deal!

  • I don't need Dual Rear Cameras, I want dual sims

    • +6

      it has dual sims…

  • +1

    +1 for P-plate OP's deal and expertise

  • +1

    Depending on your budget, this phone with a cheap BT gamepad, Ipega controller or Xbone controller with phone mount would be one of best value handheld gaming and retro emulation solutions around.

    • I'm going to look into this. What emulation app would you suggest?

      • +1

        I suggest starting with something that can emulate lots of systems like ClassicBoy Gold or Retroarch with a good skin (it's more fiddly but very powerful) and then moving onto Mupen 64+ FZ for N64, Redream for Dreamcast, PPSSPP for PSP, Duckstation for PS1 and Dolphin for Gamecube & Wii. The apps that specialise in a system can usually perform better but they need more settings tweaked for optimal performance. I can get most games run at 60fps on my Mi Mix 3 that also has a SD 835 processor but more RAM.

        • Thanks for the suggestions - I'll try them out.

  • +1

    So did any of you end up buying the phone. Any comments/feedback/reviews? Thanks :P

    • I ordered the phone, but have not yet received it. It was going to take 5 weeks, and has since been adjusted to 6 weeks…

      • +1

        Got it today (Vic). Nothing to complain about. Still after a protective case and glass for it though. Any tips?

        • eBay or AliExpress

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