Anyone Delaying Upgrading New Car Due to Lack of Affordable EV?

Would love to buy new car next year, but the choice of affordable EV in Oz is non existence.
So I am keeping my 14yo car for time being.

Agree with the article below:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-30/nissan-says-australia...

Comments

    • +34 votes

      we got that - thank you 😀

      •  

        On my list an EV is nowhere.

        To be honest it doesnt make the value and practicality quotient.

        Just say there is a cheap EV CUV for under $35k that does say 400km.

        Can you accomodate that in your life if you live in a high rise?

        Does that work for you if you need to do the occasional country trip?

        The only way it would work for me is if you have your own house and you have solar cells on your roof… AND its a 2nd car… ie. you have a petrol backup car.

        As a 2nd car it makes sense. I dont drive more than 100km round trip a day.

        But then the above caveats come in.

        The only way I'm going to get a house w/ solar cells is if I inherit lol… and by then I can afford a Model S plaid.

        • +15 votes

          Even without solar cells on to charge your EV, the cost of electricity is a lot cheaper than petrol.

          • -2 votes

            @Euphemistic: I recognise you are right. However it becomes a bit of psychology. We have no issue putting in $50 $75 $100 per week per fill but with out electricity bills as they are now we dont want to see them go higher due to a car.

            But the amount you save on petrol and maintenance etc.

            The cheapest EV is the MG ZS EV?

            The UK has an MG 5 EV station wagon which looks nice for what it is.

            • +1 vote

              @tonyjzx: EVs aren’t for everyone right now. But they most likely suit a second vehicle for someone with a garage where they can charge overnight.

              At the moment manufacturers seem obsessed with maximising range (at a cost). The vast majority of ‘second cars’ rarely do more than 100km in a day. You are right the psychology of it comes into play. Many people don’t recognise that an EV charged in a garage means a full tank every single day, rather than going for a few weeks and having to go out of your way to get petrol.

              • +8 votes

                @Euphemistic: People love to wax on about the range but most people just don't drive that much. People are classic overcompensaters, they buy the 7 seater when they only have 2 or 3 kids, they buy the diesel for the long trips when they don't do many kms, they buy the SUV over the sedan when they are the same size internally because they need more space. People don't buy using logic, or half od us would be driving hatches and sedans. Most people aren't car experts, and even the ones that think they know about cars, they just know about the models and manufacturers, they actually don't know anything about how they work under the hood. If everyone bought the car they needed rather than what they thought they needed, many more people would be considering EVs

                •  

                  @Jackson: Until there's a road trip where there's no charging station along the way.

                  People would then say you can then hire a car. Which you can technically, but it comes with a host of inconveniences.

                  •  

                    @berry580: Too many people will buy for the dream and then never realise it. So they suffer inconvenience for the majority of the one paying more and dealing with an oversized/overspec vehicle.

                    That’s where the marketers catch us. Got sold the dream of outback adventure, got stuck in traffic using twice as much fuel as I need to. Now can’t afford the adventure.

  • +3 votes

    Nissan says it all here

    "Nissan's Ben Warren said Australia only needed to take direction from European nations, which had a dramatically higher uptake of EV technology."

    Read carefully. Nissan wants Australia to subsidise their development, but only if Europe wants the same features we want.

    What?

    Very simple, they sell a hundred times more cars in Europe. If they get say a $1000 subsidy for each car in Europe they will listen and develop. Regardless of Australia.

    If we give them $1000 they will take the money and thats it.

    So Europe demands what we want, we will get it, if they demand something we dont want or dont care about, wont get it.

    So why subsidise them?

    Ah yes we send a message to the other countries of the world that we care about the environment?

    Yep the big polluting nations listen to us? They still pollute regardless. They promise but never deliver

    And look at what some do when we try to send messages. We get threatened with extinction.

    When Nissan builds great EV's we can buy them, we can buy them in bucket loads. Until then "Tell em, they are dreaming"

    • +18 votes

      They actually get taxed for not selling EVs in the EU. There's a tax on failing to meet a average fuel efficiency across their sales.

      This is VW have a manufacturer's rebate on electric cars sold in the EU, not having to pay this tax is worth about $10,000 an EV.

      • +5 votes

        There's a similar scheme in some US states, but companies that don't meet the efficiency requirements can trade tax credits with those that exceed the requirements. Tesla made US $1.6 billion from this trade last year.

        Tesla's dirty little secret: Its net profit doesn't come from selling cars

        • +1 vote

          Caltex convenience doesn't make much profit off fuel sales… Shhhhhh

  • +8 votes

    I've delayed getting a new car because there's no stock and I can't be bothered waiting months and being locked into a contract and something better comes along. If I buy and something better comes along it's just one of those things but buying and not having it plus seeing something better would not make me happy. Supply will get back to normal at some point and I'll buy then. I wasn't planning on buying an EV due to cost but also nothing that I actually like and meets my needs being on the market but I would certainly consider it if there was.

    •  

      Which car are you looking for?

      • +1 vote

        I need something with some ground clearance but am sick of 4WDs so I'd narrowed it down to a Forester or XV but I'll review again when the time comes to see what's changed on the market. As soon as I order I have no doubt that an XT model of the Forester will be announced or the XV will get the 2.5 like it does in the US so I'll wait until I can buy from stock again. I'm not in a hurry.

        •  

          Great! I’m sort of in a similar boat. Haven’t visited any dealer yet. What was the wait times you were told? Heard that due to chip shortages there has been a slow down with manufacturing cars

          • +1 vote

            @Dr-StrangeLove: Minimum 3 months but not guaranteed. That was 3 months ago though now but I don't believe has changed.

            •  

              @apsilon: Ok. 3 months is not that bad. But I understand from a different perspective. Good luck with your search and thanks for taking time to answer my curiosity questions.

              • +1 vote

                @Dr-StrangeLove: No worries. It was a minimum though, could just as easily end up 6 months. I also have a feeling it's blown out further since then. I plan on checking again after winter.

                •  

                  @apsilon: Yeah winter seems to be a good month for buying cars and getting deals. Had seen it somewhere that sales are a bit slow during that time so dealers have a bit more wiggle room

                  •  

                    @Dr-StrangeLove: I think covid related and silicon chip related shortages might mean that any previous price 'trends' are likely not applicable

                    •  

                      @SBOB: What do you mean?

                      • +1 vote

                        @Dr-StrangeLove: supply shortages and long lead times, why would they need to provide additional discounts in winter when people are currently waiting 3-12 months for current orders as it is(on popular models)

                        •  

                          @SBOB: Probably not. I assumed winter so less people going outside for anything.

  • +3 votes

    Waiting makes sense if you have a place to charge, otherwise its pretty much the same.

    • +39 votes

      Not entirely true.

      • +21 votes

        Not sure why this got negged so quickly. Plenty of places have renewables, and a lot of people have solar.

        • -12 votes

          Not entirely means 99.9% is still not entirely. More probably than not is more like it considering even if you buy all green you are still paying for the network that carries dirty electricity.

          It is like Elon saying he talked to some North American bitcoin miners about going green. He just forgot to mention that most of the mining is done from China with coal. Also using green energy to mine is just displacing green energy that could be used for someone else. IF he said he was building 100 square kilometers solar farm to mine bitcoin that would be different. But then Elon likes to use someone else's money.

          1. Shareholder money to buying bitcoin with Tesla.
          2. ICE money to prop up Tesla. Tesla is meant to change the world by transitioning to green transportation but it seems like he is enabling as many gas guzzling ICEs along the way.
          3. SpaceX burning non renewable fuels. Saying we need to have a plan B and throwing billions at going into space is just basically saying that hundreds and billions won't solve our environmental problem.
          • +15 votes

            @netjock: Electric Vehicles =\= Elon Musk.

            • -11 votes

              @afoveht: LoL you Judases trying to disown your Messiah

              • +8 votes

                @netjock: For the record, i think Elon is Satan, except Satan is cooler and in all ways better.

          • +7 votes

            @netjock: Woah I wasn't talking about Elon and Bitcoin at all, bit of a tangent.

        • +1 vote

          This is absolutely correct. Depending on where you live, your electricity's "greenness" changes. But no matter where you live some of it is.

          See: https://opennem.org.au/energy/nem/?range=all&interval=1y and change the filter on the right to "Renewable/Fossil". You'll see that nationwide that 30% of power is now non-fossil. However you can switch the state up the top left to compare QLD with only about 16% as a state (please guys), to Tassie with nearly 99%.

          And if you're supplementing this with your own solar - all the better.

      • +31 votes

        It's not just energy efficiency, it's also energy security, removing pollution from densely populated areas, and generally trying to move past a completely hydrocarbon-centric worldview.