Anyone Delaying Upgrading New Car Due to Lack of Affordable EV?

Would love to buy new car next year, but the choice of affordable EV in Oz is non existence.
So I am keeping my 14yo car for time being.

Agree with the article below:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-30/nissan-says-australia...

Comments

  • +1 vote

    "Would love to buy new car"
    never have, never will
    motorcycles on the other hand….
    .

    • -3 votes

      So if no one buys New car, how would you get used car to purchase? Assuming you ain’t gonna ride 4 ppl on motorcycles when your family grows or when it’s raining and you gotta go out. Something similar for arguments sake?

      • +2 votes

        Just leave buying new cars to others who are happy to buy a new car, that's how?
        Plenty of demand for new cars, so used car buyers have plenty of options too.

  • +8 votes

    Value for money EV, and the supporting infrastructure, is probably 5yrs away at least. Could always get a car now as an interim so you don't have to jump and be a relative early-adopter in a year or 2

    • +6 votes

      I’m in Sydney. All shopping centres I go to have chargers. Lots of public parking have chargers. There are dozens of fast DC chargers to boot.
      And like most EV owners, I don’t even care that much because I charge at home and the car is full every morning.

      The chargers make difference for longer trips. All of east coast is plastered with fast DC, so 🤷‍♂️
      I recently did a road trip in rural NSW, VIC, SA. The NRMA chargers along the way and overnight charging made it too easy.

    • +2 votes

      Maybe in your city. Sydney is already ready to support electric vehicles in all suburbs except maybe the inner west which has good public transport.

      Companies even have chargers too. But no one in SYdney drives like 300 km+ a day unless you're a taxi driver so there's no need to recharge. Taxi drivers also have their own charging stations in certain areas.

      • +1 vote

        Maybe in your city.

        Well yes, I would be using examples from my own city. Plus the expansive state, where it's quite common to drive for multiple days to reach your destination. People won't want to stop multiple times a day to recharge for a few hours

  • +4 votes

    Haven't seen anything in the EV space that interests me apart from the Hummer EV, which I doubt will make it here.

    Surely there's a middle ground between a 14 year old car and a brand new EV though. You can get something in between.

  • +4 votes

    Needs a poll.

    I’d have an EV (2nd has if necessary) as a second vehicle if it was the same price as a second hand Camry. I don’t buy new normally, and typically change vehicles with change of need rather than a regular update.

    EV won’t cut it with caravanning and long distance holidays yet, especially at a reasonable price.

  • +2 votes

    The only thing holding me back is the cars I want not being available in the Australian market yet. Would be happy with a hydrid VW as the Audi eTron crashes my budget but our fuel standards suck.

    • +1 vote

      Yep. I have the money and the desire, but there's literally nothing in the low or medium price range.

      The "cheap" Teslas are still 70 grand plus, that's not the sort of money a sensible ozbargainer spends on a car, unless cars are their life.

  • +14 votes

    Yep waiting for the hyundai ioniq 5.
    I like that they are trying to make the interior functionality different to other cards on the market.

    I hope I'll have the patience to wait though….

    • +1 vote

      Same here. Q3 this year isn't too long though, but who knows if it'll be delayed with the chip shortage or other things.

      Still dearer than what I would like an EV to cost, but I can't bring myself to get an MG

    • +1 vote

      IONIQ 5 looks like the BOMB

    • +1 vote

      looks like a low polygon car from a sci-fi game on minimum settings

      • +1 vote

        laughs in cybertruck

  •  

    Will probably buy a new car next year. Could be delayed even more though with the shortages in the market. Current car is 17 years old. First EV I buy will be around 2035.

  •  

    I agree with others that the current cost and infrastructure are not good enough to encourage me to buy now. Mind you, I don't have off street parking so over night charging would be challenge! Could be better waiting for the next round of hydrogen powered cars.

  • +1 vote

    Anyone Delaying Upgrading New Car Due to Lack of Affordable EV?

    No.

    EV shouldn't be a primary reason for an upgrade, at least not yet.

    • +4 votes

      Why not. I can’t see a reason to upgrade my current vehicle. It does anything I need has a few safety features. I can’t see a reason to upgrade other than going electric. Only reason I’ll consider changing it is EV.

  • +3 votes

    Main reason for holding off is that the 2007 Corolla still goes like a champ.
    But yes, hoping that when the time comes that the EV market in Australia will improve substantially.

    Would love to see a Toyota Corolla EV for sure.

    • +2 votes

      The 98 model is still doing well for my dad. Very reliable cars… I do wonder if the current models are still as reliable.

      • +1 vote

        People have been saying ‘they don’t build them like the used to’ for decades. Cars last long enough, and with modern electronics are probably on average more reliable and will keep going longer without much maintenance.

  • +10 votes

    Been waiting for anything in auspol to change, but it’s all funded by BigCoal and BigOil …

    I didn’t want to wait any more, so I did “the stretch” and bought a Model 3. Couldn’t be happier.

    If you’re in market for any premium sedan (like Audi, BMW etc) then price is similar, but it’s years ahead in terms of technology. In brown NSW the grid on most days is between 20-40% renewables, and with home charting and rooftop PV you’re already 100% renewables. Even when charging at grid Model 3 reaches emissions tipping point (offsets production) at around 20k km, then it is carbon zero with PV.

    Also no petrol/diesel stench at the back, no more bowser, no servicing (except tire rotation and washer), pristine clean white garage, car always full in the morning (charging like a phone), instant torque, 3.2s with $100k performance ver, around 5.5 with the “cheap” SR+ version, autopilot is brilliant for freeways, road trips. Winter is coming - I can pull up my phone and warm up the cabin, AC + seat heaters, before I hit the road. Kids love their cartoons in the car streaming from Disney+ and Netflix.

    I sold my other cars in the meantime. Waiting for Model Y to hit the shores as second car.

  • +8 votes

    I'm not buying one for several reasons:

    • current electronics shortage impacting on cars
    • my car isn't parked in a garage for me to charge it
    • planning on buying a house first so I have said garage to charge an EV car
    • they're still too expensive

    But it probably will be my next car purchase… probably in 5yrs or more from now. I just don't see this being something I'll get in the short to medium term.

    • +1 vote

      I don't think I"ll buy EV.
      It'll be the same choice. Buy an EV for the price of a luxury car. Or economical normal people cheap Jp car. I'll go the cheapo.

  • +1 vote

    For me is the bottom line. It does not justify buying EV for a high price, when you can buy a Mercedes/ luxury car! The government ought to subsidize consumers for going green and not penalize us like what Vic govt is doing.

    • +2 votes

      Who'd buy a Mercedes/ luxury car instead of a similar priced Tesla, LOL.

      Slower, worse tech, worse sound system, worse looks, more ongoing cost, worse resale value, less cool.

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        That's a whole lot of personal opinion right there.

        • +4 votes

          The only personal opinion he offered was "worse looks" and "less cool". The rest was pretty accurate.

          • -1 vote

            @Charmoffensive: Slower (doesn't matter unless you are taking it to the track, but don't take an EV to the track bcs with an ICE you are squeezing 1/10th of a second out of the car with performance upgrades..). worse tech (assuming you are referring to auto pilot, otherwise not really true). worse sound system (can't comment). worse looks (subjective, i don't like tesla design would 100% prefer Hyundai Ioniq 5 of Kia EV6 over tesla). ongoing costs (true). worse resale value (probably true in short term). less cool (again subjective on what is "cool").

            • +1 vote

              @Importmonster: Slower counts when you want to zip through traffic. Cars with shit acceleration are a chore to drive. As I said, looks and cool factor were the only subjective things he mentioned. The rest was pretty on point.

  • +2 votes

    Bought a hybrid c350e as a transition vehicle 4 years ago and its been great, we charge it off the solar panels at home and the office and was relatively affordable compared to the ICE models (probably a 10-15% premium when we got it).

    Will keep it for another couple of years until Australia starts to benefit from an influx of models from some of the big manufacturers push to all EV by 2030.

    It's happening….

    •  

      How has the reliability been? I am skeptical of anything European and complex.

      • +1 vote

        Just passed 60,000kms and haven't had any issues other than routine servicing and maintenance. We got a flat battery once (user error) and Roadside Assistance just jump started it and away we went like any ICE car.

        We just received an email today that the all electric EQA is now on sale for $83k with a range of 480km. Granted, that is not a cheap car, but it is less than the hybrid c350e was brand new. The prices are starting to come down!

  • +4 votes

    We own a Mitsubishi PHEV. Supports both fuel sources. We have home solar which 90% of the time keeps it fully charged. We seldom drive more than 15 km a day so the fact that full electric only gets us about 40km is not an issue atm. Great thing is it does run fully petrol ⛽️ And Or hybrid as needed and consumption is under 10km per 100L.
    Bad thing is we can’t be guaranteed charging stations traveling up north or south medium distances and we only get electric for 40km on full charge.

    But we love 💕 our PHEV!!!!

    •  

      10km per 100L ??? Assuming you mean 10L per 100km - and if so, that's nothing special. I'd be expecting better than that. My old 2007 2.5L turbo engine gets better than 10L per 100km (with more than 320000 km on the odo) in a mix of city/highway driving…

      •  

        My 96 EF Falcon gets 10L or better per 100km on hwy with 223,000km on the clock.
        and to work it was getting ~12months out of a tank as I rode my bicycle almost every day (longest bike commute was 163km )

        •  

          They did say they do barely 15km/day, so I doubt they would be hwy miles. Your Falcon on similar route would probably be closer to 12-13L/100km. That said you’re probably still better off as your car would be cheaper to run if you include the capital cost and depreciation

  • +1 vote

    Was always going to have EV for next car. Then with COVID decided to buy a gas guzzling 4wd to holiday in OZ.
    We have a second car and will wait and replace that with a nice EV when there is a decent offering at a reasonable price as we can charge it at home. Really interested in seeing where self driving goes to, as I like the idea of letting the car do all the work for me, particularly around town.
    So yes, I am holding off buying until the market meets us a bit……..

  •  

    Delaying my next purchase by a year, though nothing to do with EV prices, EV's aren't even on my radar for this round, the price vs what you get just doesn't stack up for me, maybe next time. The thing that delays me though is the lack of good deals with the shortages.

  •  

    Only got a new car recently, but will be very interested in upgrading once a capable off-road EV comes along. Seeing the F150 Lightning announced gives me a lot of hope that by the time I want an upgrade (5 or so years), there might be a few options.

  • +1 vote

    I think EV cars are bit in infancy period and yet to be established properly so its infrastructure (charging stations etc) as well and Australia is certainly behind.

    I am all for Toyota Hybrids. For now its best of both worlds. No need to charge especially if you live in a unit/apartment. Mileage is superb compared to petrol cars (less than 6L/100kms)

    You can have hybrid now and later down the road maybe 6yrs later you would want to upgrade to fully EV, which might be cheaper at that time.

  • +7 votes

    Why would I want a car that is:
    - faster accelerating
    - better handling than most cars due to lower centre of gravity
    - cheaper to fuel per klm travelled
    - requires less maintenance
    - that I can fuel at home
    - that will drive itself (soon)

    Seriously - I don't get why anyone would want an EV!!!

    • -10 votes

      because they sound like a mosquito and don't have any grunt

      • +2 votes

        So you’ve driven one and found it sluggish?

        They don’t sound like a V8 though.

      • +4 votes

        LOL. Which EVs don't have grunt? All the EVs I've driven are way faster and torquier than almost any ICE car.

        • -2 votes

          When i say grunt i mean the literal meaning of the word.

  • +2 votes

    As a rule I buy second hand cars anyway - 3 or 4 years old - so I don't pay the massive depreciation premium on new cars.

    I'd be interested in a second hand EV with a battery warranty.

    Once the affordable chinese EVs such as BYD start arriving in OZ in the next 2 years the shift will be rapid. Then all ICE cars will be essentially worthless with close to $0 resale value (which perversely will extend their lives…..sigh)

    • +1 vote

      I think you are looking at more like 10+ years for EV market to significantly affect ICE car prices. Production numbers combined with an adoption that will be far more gradual, especially for the chinese made ones as the anti china sentiment will play a major role in lack of adoption of those.

    •  

      Same, I think in 10 years will all be electric and ICE cars worthless, so might as well drive my current cars til clunkers and jump on a 2nd hand EV in 5 years time… 2yo gov fleet cars at auction…

      •  

        I honestly think any car you buy now or in the next 3 years, be it EV or ICE, will struggle to retain any value in a decade. It's basically why the next car I buy will be driven until it dies.

    •  

      35K eletric van is set to arrive by septemeber in aus

  • +1 vote

    I'd love an EV as a city car, but then the one I want would be a Model 3 Performance…. years away from being able to justify anywhere near that cost, and even then it wont be a 'smart' decision.

    • +1 vote

      If M3 P+ is in your budget, then it’s a very smart decision. Aside from not generating pollution, deafening your neighbours or suffocating your family with carcinogens, try finding a similar performing sports sedan for $100k. There are some Porsche and Ferrari in $300k range take that might compete if you complement them with earplugs, but then there’s insurance and maintenance of the outdated petrol engines.

      You can charge M3 P+ for like $5 from grid (off-peak tariff, $500km range), charge for $0 from solar, consistent repeatable daily neck-cracking 3.2s to 100km/h, competent track performance (plenty to watch on YouTube).

      If you want to make it even better on track the usual route is upgrading brakes and suspension, around $30k more for proper ones. The ones that win international races also gutted and caged, but IMO unless you’re a competitive track racer, this car doesn’t need much changes from stock.

  •  

    Yes ..

    I run two cars… very old landcruiser that runs on liquified Dinosaurs .. I use that to tow old caravan and for trips for camping etc.

    Daily drive a small Town car for everything else.

    Usually leased from work and currently due for replacement.

    I have looked at EVs and would like to move to an EV for my daily drive but they are unaffordable, especially to get one with decent range (I live in regional area) .

    Since I cannot afford an EV and I could not be bothered replacing the current car as it does the job and not worth spending the money on new vehicle for no benefit (and replacing also means dealing with car sales people and dealerships which are usually enough to put you off buying cars on their own).

    Also looking at Electric Bike to try and reduce usage of dio-fuel vehicles ..

    • +1 vote

      Well Tesla at least cuts the car salesmen out of the picture since it's direct ordering.

  •  

    Lack of infrastructure more like it.
    Where do you think this electricity comes from?

    •  

      Dinosaurs mostly.

      •  

        fossil fuels?

        If you mean that, LOLZ! Good joke is good, son.

    • +2 votes

      Most of us have rooftop solar by now.
      Come join us in the 21st century

    • +2 votes

      It’s 10:00 in Sydney… in winter.. 25% of energy in grid is from renewables. In SA it’s 100% and they’re exporting excess to VIC.

      That’s relevant only if you charge from grid (at home power socket, superchargers, shopping centres etc). Most people with EVs I know charge at home with solar for free. Around 30% households in Australia have solar on roof.

  • +13 votes

    I wonder if the comments are full of triggered bogans letting everybody that they're not ever going to get an EV even though nobody asked and nobody cares

    Oh hey they are

    • +2 votes

      The bogans will switch when the Double Cab's come in electric.

      Hoping the Ranger will follow the F150.

      Power Range Lightning all the way :)

    • +4 votes

      boomers, electric cars suck, my hyundai getz is best car ever.
      tradies, electric cars suck, my dmax you pay for using your tax to justify it moving a small tool box with 10ltr/100km engine is best car ever
      bogans, electric cars suck, my XR6 with $50 lightbar is the best car ever

      FB comments in a nutshell.

      •  

        What kind of boomers drive Hyundais?

        I'd say that the majority of high end EV drivers are boomers.

      •  

        Don't forget the OzBargain, electric cars suck, why would I drive anything else than a 10 year old Camry which is the best car ever?!

    • +2 votes

      Just because people don't confirm to your views they are put in a box with a derogatory label. Really going to win you a lot of friends.

      Nobody ever got peace from trading insults. Usually trading insults get you into a war then come inevitable peace after great cost.

  • +4 votes

    If the model 3 was 40K, I would have bought it. Most EV's are 20K over where they should be.

    It will come, 2025 will probably be the EV switch for me.

    •  

      I think the end goal price for the 3 was around 45k AUD. It's already down from it's OG price of 80k so I think it should be able to achieve this as they continue optimizing their manufacturing process.

      • +3 votes

        continue optimizing their manufacturing process

        Got nothing to do with it. China made Model 3 should have seen a significant drop in cost such as labour, cost of land and shipping etc.

        Prices won't drop until there is decent competition. IBM PCs used to be expensive until IBM compatible was created.

    • +1 vote

      How is the Model 3 $20k over when it's $10k cheaper than a BMW 318i?

  •  

    I've estimated the value of my time spent in a car to be very little as I drive maybe once a week or fortnight.

    Since retirement I've driven about 1000km each year for each of the last 3 years - COVID didn't make much difference - as I live inner city and walk to almost everything I want.

    Let's say I spend 16 mins to drive 8 km or 2 mins per km - that suggests I've spent about 2000 minutes driving each year.

    Or 2000/60 say 33 hours per year - I spent about $1000 each year mostly on CTP insurance, TPP-only insurance, and rego renewal - maybe $100 on fuel.

    So each km cost me about $1 to drive - or $33 per hour driving.

    I've estimated that to make it worthwhile buying a new car I'd need to be spending like 2 hours per day driving, say 730 hours per year - in which case the typical new car spend I've read about of $3-5-8Kpa (mostly depreciation=loss of value) would reduce the cost to something like $4-7-11 per hour driving.

    Using my estimate of 2 mins per km, that suggests an annual 22,000km, which makes the $3-5-8Kpa spend something like 14-23-36 cents per km.

    As much as I love silent electric-powered cars - I LOVED driving a hybrid Honda Civic around the South of France and the French Alps to Chamonix for about 25 days in 2015 - I was rather taken aback to read an article the other day about the build quality of the famous Tesla - something about them falling apart and roofs coming off … !?!?

    So right now I'm browsing rental cars - to try out a new model hybrid for a trip - I'd rather pay a few hundred $$ for a week than $38-150K for something I'm not sure about yet.

    • +3 votes

      Why do you even own a car at all?

    • +3 votes

      Just sell your car and use uber and the odd rental.

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        Yep, in this case rental & Uber is a no brainer. Just think about the extra storage/workshop space in a garage alone - if you're in the inner city, that is not trivial.

    • +3 votes

      Here’s one that says EV produces less CO2 after a couple of years.

      https://youtu.be/6RhtiPefVzM

      Not sure, but it seems when they compare emissions, production of electricity is included but when comparing fossil fuel vehicles they don’t include production and distribution of said fossil fuels only the tailpipe emissions.

    • +1 vote

      PragerU LMAOOOO
      Check out the following video
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwMPFDqyfrA

  • +2 votes

    I would say, not worth it yet. Within 3-5 yrs there will be a large influx from all the car companies. Wouldnt consider one as yet due to the high price.

  • +1 vote

    No EV or hybrid people movers with range of 300-400km in the au market that I would consider affordable (sub 60k, would be fine if second hand as long as warranty for 3-5 years remaining) We are looking but ATM only 100km Nissan vans and they are severely lacking in safety features.

    Currently have Diesel i30 and have offset the carbon emissions via https://www.greenfleet.com.au/ (same with house due to a dumb shit decision by me to use gas central heating (6 star device but still)…should have installed multiple splits…).

    So I will wait until prices drop and continue to use the i30 with offsets.

  • +1 vote

    I bought a car 12 months ago, just before the second hand market went crazy.
    I hope this car will be the last petrol car I own, but I made sure to buy a car that I expect to last me 10+ years, because I'm not confident that EV's will decrease in price any time soon.

    • +1 vote

      ICE or electric, the right decision in buying a modern car is to keep it for 10+years anyway. And by 2030 new electric rather than new ICE will be a no-brainer for most of us (expect ICE to retain some niches).

  •  

    Australia is only just embracing diesel…. Electric cars are a long way off, especially with government disincentives.

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      EU is effectively ending the diesel car due to emissions.

      Of course light trucks vans whatever is exempt but I would assume that since we dont make cars then we are at the mercy of the decisoions of those that do.

      We will have 4x4 Thai trucks though.

      • +2 votes

        And Japan did the same 10+ years before Europe.

        Unfortunately we and car makers are at the mercy of our inept government.
        We'll be using the same excuses of being "too big, too spread out" forever, as we usually do for pretty much everything to justify being second rate when it comes to technology and infrastructure and will end up being a dumping ground for IC engines.
        That and our over the top regulation and inability to agree on any regulation between states (which only have small populations) means even when we do get electric cars, there will be no chance of charging a Victorian electric car in NSW for example.
        Christ, look at the coronavirus debacle…absolutely no coordination between states or even with the federal government. Even motorcycle helmets have different regulations between states and of course different to the rest of the world (because having an accident on a motorcycle in Australia is somehow different to the USA or Europe ffs). Couldn't organise a………… brewery

    • +1 vote

      Diesel was always a joke, it was always worse it was just a gimmick for a while. It's finished now.

      • -1 vote

        Diesel isn’t a gimmick. It has its place, just not in city passenger cars.

  • -1 vote

    NO.

  • +1 vote

    Yes absolutely. Plenty of solar being produced on my roof to keep fuelled up but I'm going to have to wait until the govt starts playing ball and provides incentives, otherwise the IONIQ 5 (most likely in the 65-80k range) is out of my reach for a while.

    However, it seems to be the tipping point right now with major car makers starting to bring out decent EV options over the next year or so to finally start rivalling the Tesla domination and push pricing down (KIA, Hyundai, Toyota).

  •  

    Think a lot of new cars not just EV are really expensive here.

    $63K for a Nissan leaf? tell them they're dream'n

  • +1 vote

    Next car will be an EV but probably won't be buying another car for at least 3 years. Makes sense to get an EV since I have a decent sized solar system and a powerwall 2.

  • -1 vote

    we've got a novated lease that ends early 2024 and a lot of solar to spare so i'll definitely be following the market over the next few years.