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Breville BES920BSS the Dual Boiler Espresso Machine $809.10 + $35 Delivery @ The Good Guys eBay
[eBay Plus] Breville BES920BSS The Dual Boiler Espresso Machine $809.10 + $35 Delivery @ The Good Guys eBay
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RogueWolf on 07/06/2021 - 11:58 ebay.com.au (2053 clicks)
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What's been all time low?
I don't know the exact price but I believe you could get it for under $600 on super special a few years ago. Never gets that low these days though. Low $800 is the new amazing price…
That would be irrelevant as all expresso machines went up with covid.
I don't remember sub $600, but reasonably often you could get it for low $600s and the Smart Grinder Pro for $160, bringing the total just under $800. Those were the days…
I think $632 has been the lowest. The grinder was $159.
But even at $845 it's an excellent price give what other western markets pay for these at the moment.
For example, a minimum of GBP1200 is the norm in the UK (AUD$2,200).
I bought during that deal, stil cant believe I got it that cheap.
Yeah I bought in that deal, then sold a month later as we moved to a smaller place for $800 with the smart grinder… d'oh.
I think the dual boiler is a no brainer in oz for anyone looking to buy a mid range espresso machine. At its price point there is absolutely no other machine with comparable features.
I paid $632 two years ago from TGG eBay.
It was $790 - 20% eBay discount
Thanks, much more palatable option for a 1br apartment with a small kitchen.
Or the Bambino Plus (for more) if you want the auto milk texturing.
You could also consider the Barista Pro which probably has a smaller footprint than the Duo Temp + Smart Grinder combination. It's the same price as the Dual Boiler: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/124557189964. Or the Barista Express, a cheaper version ($656): https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/143662394986
I bought the Barista Express when it first came out years ago and it is AMAZING. Sure the milk steamer takes a little longer than the fancy models but who cares - the coffee is perfect
The 878 is not a dual boiler. Only Oracle and the bes920 are dual boiler. The878 has a thermoblock.
Edit: I saw dual boiler thinking your first link was referring to it as a dual boiler. Lol
I don't think there is a need to go for an 878 over an 870. The 870 has dropped to below $550 and is probably a perfect apartment or house appliance for small consumption.
Or the $1 option from your local 7/11?
Got this and matched with a Breville grinder. Has the advantage that you can replace each part separately when one dies. Only negative is that it doesn’t ah e the pressure gauge.
If you are keen there is always a way.
This person modded their duo temp with a pressure gauge/control:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtSkw6y-k2U
Somehow I want it but at pre covid prices, anyone else feels the same way?
its almost pre-covid. do it!
think of the savings from not getting take away coffees!
pays for itself in a few monthsBold of you to assume I also won’t buy a takeaway coffee in the afternoon
Until they invent a portable coffee machine this will always be the problem.
It is applicable if you are working from home.
Yeah the pre-covid ex-voucher price was 800-ish and now it is only 100 more expensive. If another 20% off voucher deal pops up then the difference is pretty small.
On my recommendation my sister bought this machine from Bing Lee last month for $1219.
Luckily she bought it using her 28 Degrees card with shoppers protection so she received a $220 refund on her account when the price dropped to $999 at the start of last week. She received a further $100 refund on Friday as the price had dropped to $899.
BTW - it is still available at Bing Lee for $899 (plus $20 delivery) for those interested.
is there a new model coming up soon? there seems to be a few sales on this model. I'd this the same model that's in the "dynamic duo" pack?
is there a new model coming up soon? there seems to be a few sales on this model.
No, it's just going back to its pre-covid pricing.
I'd this the same model that's in the "dynamic duo" pack?
Yes.
I recall them being under $700 "once upon a time"
$632 has been the lowest, but that was exceptional.
Ebay prices with discount codes usually sat in the 700's in 2019. We're getting there.
What do you recommend then?
I'm guessing he owns a $40 coffee pod machine from the reject shop.
Why? Dual boiler, PID controlled main boiler AND PID controlled commercial size grouphead with integrated heating element. Programmable shot times, low pressure pre-infusion and lots of little thoughtful touches like the integrated drip/tool tray, pop-up wheels and magnetic tamp holder.
My one has been making awesome coffee since I bought it for $700 5 years ago now, an equivalent Italian machine costs like $2k last I checked, and I doubt they're any more reliable.
They are more reliable but may not make better coffee. you're going to expect some issues with the Breville wil arise after a few years.
I'll concede that the Breville may be more 'disposable', but they've been around for about 8 years now and have been a top seller, so a big installed market means a good chance of part availability for some time to come. Have a look on eBay - cheap parts galore. I've replaced 2 things, the grouphead seal which I bought off eBay for $8, and a pump which I also bought off eBay for $60.
Sure, there may not be parts available in 30 years like a Rancilio Silvia, but for under $1k you can't go wrong.
@Dogsrule: There's no denying Breville offers great valve for the price. though not everyone is in a position or qualified to repair or even open their coffee machine when it breaks regardless of how cheap the parts are.
@OzHan: "though not everyone is in a position or qualified to repair or even open their coffee machine when it breaks regardless of how cheap the parts are"
Yeah fair enough, I sometimes forget that not everybody is handy. That being said, if you buy an expensive Italian model, you'll be just as beholden to the repair guy if you can't fix it yourself. As sleepycat3 says below, many parts are interchangable with the fancy Italian machines anyway, so many of the same things will break over time.
Horses for courses though, can't deny that the Italian stuff looks beautiful on the kitchen bench. The Breville looks… functional, at best.
I have an Oracle from 7 years ago and have needed to replace the pump. When I did so, the pump is actually made in Italy, and is probably common with other machines. So you just need to know what parts are used and source them. At the rate that Breville is going, parts will likely still be available for a long while as the BES920, Oracle and Oracle Touch share a lot of components such as pumps, valves, solenoid, boilers etc.
From experience, they don't last, have cheap parts and repair is a joke… $700 is for the cost of renting the Breville for a year or two, then repair or buy new.. After my Breville, I went for a Rocket Mozzafiato Evoluzione R and am very happy!! This will be something I can hand down to my kids one day!!
If you're accustomed to DIY repair of consumer items, eBay parts are readily and cheaply available and the machine is pretty simple inside, with many common parts shared with those much more expensive machines you're talking about. If you go into it with this mindset, TCO can be very low. My machine has done literally thousands of shots and I've spent $68 on parts so far.
Why this vs the Breville barista pro?
The dual boiler has a dual boiler (better steam and better temperature consistency). It has lack of integrated grinder (so you can get a better dedicated grinder). And a 58mm portafilter (better, but less forgiving).
The barista pro has integrated grinder (good, or bad, depending on your point of view). Generally worse steam performance (and can't brew and steam simultaneously). Faster startup time (due to the thermoblock).
The Bambino Plus is the other to consider. Fastest startup, better auto milk texturing but lacks the dual boiler and many of the bells and whistles of the other two.
The BES920 machines have dual boilers both with adjustable PID control for thermal stability and to allow for milk texturing while extracting espresso.
The above features of this machine are not found in anything cheaper so far as I am aware.
Even though it is made by an appliance manufacturer, they have added many nice touches to make it a nice experience, such as a separate heater around the shower screen, a door to fill from the front, lighting and a window to show the water level, retractable wheel to make it easier to move out about the bench, a timer to turn the machine at a set time in the morning so it's ready to go for you when you need it.
any way to get the TGG Concierge 5 year warranty via eBay?
You have 2 weeks to purchase Concierge in store (can prob do over phone too) after ebay purchase.
Unless the item ships, I rang the store and the head office and they wouldn't add concierge as the item has already shipped.
I'm not sure why delivery would exclude you from being able to add concierge, I'd try in store. Admittedly every time I have added later from ebay purchase I click and collected.
As a rule, I'd never take out an extended warranty, however, for this machine it may be well worth it for the average consumer.
In the 5 years I've owned my machine it's needed many things replaced (pump, opv, triac pcb, solenoid and O rings). Fortunately I've done all the repairs myself, but had I not, it would have been well over the cost of the machine .
It's worth it just for the $20 credits to pay for the $19 water filter that needs replacing every 3 months. Over the 5 years you get $300 worth of credits for $150 IIRC and all while getting extended warranty.
Yeah, I just looked it up. $119 for 3 years…..which is not an amazing value as 2 years of that is covered by Breville. But 5 years @ $149 sounds like a no brainer, with or without $20 credits.
@ash2000: Agreed - I bought the Oracle (much better model as it's a BES920 with integrated grinder & auto-tamp (consistent shots 99% of the time!) - and got the 5yr wty from TGG.
And likewise I use the store credit just to get the water filters, so basically get 5 years of free filters with the warranty, which pretty much paid for itself.
@ash2000: Of course now I have the warranty means it'll work perfectly for 5 years and 1 month, then break :)
@Carrera1963: The oracle is not a ‘better machine’ …..
An integrated grinder will ALWAYS be inferior, as beans heat up they grind differently which messes with the shot, learn to tamp properly. Do you ever see cafes with built in grinders???The oracle is a good machine but will never produce espresso like a DB and independent grinder…
That's ridiculous pricing. You can buy 36 filters for $40 off eBay.
@Dogsrule: That's the old filters, the newer 920s have more expensive filters.
These are the ones
https://www.amazon.com.au/Breville-Claro-Swiss-Filter-BES008…
Aftermarket ones can be had for about $10 each but no where near 36 filters for 40 bucks@Dogsrule: Ask Breville really nicely for an older style filter HOLDER and they will give it to you.
Then you can use the older style, cheaper filters :)
@knaff: Can also buy it for a reasonable price. https://www.appliancesupplies.com.au/part/208788-w0219899/be…
@Sleepycat3: Yes, the extra cost of the new filters is a pain.
BUT just be aware that there is a reason why Breville changed the internal filter specification, and it is mainly related to the improving the efficiency and effectiveness of the filter in removing chemicals that can damage the internals of the machine over time.
My understanding is that the change in filter spec. was actually to enhance the longevity of the machine and in particular the steam boiler, from susceptibility to scale build up which was the subject of many early fail warranty claims.
Swapping out the new filter mechanism for the old design will certainly save you money in the short run but potentially at the longer term cost of reducing the longevity of your machine.
The replacement frequency depends on your water quality/hardness. Mine is the oracle, and you enter in your water hardness scale into the setup menu, and it then tells you when it needs to be replaced. I've gone 12 months without needing to replace the filter, but do so as part of my annual maintenance.
Was thinking of grabbing this, but due to somewhat limited bench space, wondering if someone could make a recommendation on what Breville model would provide a similar quality espresso shot (with 58mm head, PID etc), in a smaller footprint?
Due to only likely making one (2 max) double shot coffee/s each day, I’m happy to forgo the dual boiler functionality, and will be looking to have a separate grinder, so don’t need that integration.
Would the Infuser be the closest model?
Smaller but not comparable to BES920. Its thermal block vs boiler. and Infuser uses 54mm portafilter.
Thanks. Is there a comparable model, just forgoing the dual boiler aspect, or does that simply not exist in the Breville range?
Nothing smaller with 58mm alas. The logical fit would be the Bambino Plus, but it is only 54mm.
Only in the BES900 or Oracle series.
If you want 58mm, look at Sunbeam's offering. However, what drives me away from them are the water leaks reported on productreview etc….
Most people recommend the bambino as the next logical step before this. Its a killer machine for its price. Just need to buy some non pressurised portafilter.
I'd recommend the Bambino Plus rather than the Bambino. Due to the auto milk texturing.
Bambino also has a water spout (for instant hot water) vs the bambino plus not having one.
They are really both almost the same machine, its more about what features you want and if the extra cost is worth it.
Last time I did the cost analysis for a friend I decided the non plus was worth more.
James does a review of this machine on YouTube along with others in the same price range. Worth a look
Note: the price range for him is stupidly high. it costs like 2.4k AUD in house country.
Just an FYI for those of you thinking about a machine like this.
I purchased one of these back in 2014, it was a great machine and is very easy to work on if you need to replace anything. What will stop me recommending it is the availability of parts. I'm in the market for a new espresso machine because they no longer make a $5 plastic part that would have fixed the problems im having. I even went to lengths to 3d print it but where it is required you need plastic that has better heat resistance.
So yeah.. In short, good machine, but held back from being a 10-20 year investment due to poor after market support.
The alternative is buying an italian prosumer machine which you can readily find parts after 10-20 years, the outlay is 3 times more money though, your pick.
which one?
Just curious, what part is it?
For comparison, here are a bunch of italian dual boiler machines.
https://dibartoli.com.au/double-boiler-machines/
They cost substantially more, and the BES does 99% of what these machines do -but- may be more challenging to keep going for 10+ years that they may be used for.
The difference is that the BES920 is made by a high volume appliance manufacturer, so components in the Breville are sourced for high vilume/low cost, the Italian machines are made to a higher price point and can have a more expensive/luxurious build.
All of these machines (including the Breville) need regular maintenance, and I suspect if you are not doing it yourself, the service bills on these amazing Italian machines over 10-20 years will add up.Yeah except for the look of the Italian espresso machines I'm struggling to find a reason to buy one vs the Breville Dual Boiler at this price!
Even if it only lasts 5 years you can buy probably 3 Breville Dual Boiler for the price of 1 italian machine!Also what you forgot to mention is that the Breville offers more functionalities (pid, pre-infusion, volume or time base control, timer…) which most Italian machine don't have unless you spend > $3000
The closest one comparable to Breville is Lelit Elizabeth whether in size, build quality or price range, Its priced at 2300.
I do not think the Lelit Elizabeth has the wake up timer function, nor will allow you to program volumetric shots, only time based.
It does have dual boilers, adjustable brew and steam temperature, PID on the brew temperature only.
And yes, just 2.78x the price of the Breville.
Same can be applied to many other things, eg: cars.
a Toyota/ Honda last 3-4 times longer than an Italian car with a lower cost.
Along those lines I wish there was a lexus approach to coffee macines to make a no holds barred, volume manufactured high end machine for 50%-75% of the cost of the top ones.
- i.e. use a volume manufacturing base, exotic materials, tighten up the tolerances, use higher grade components for a luxury category killer at an unbeatable price.Rather than BES920 -> Oracle (which added more automation and things to break IMO), but a version of the BES920 that is made to last: addresses its fit/finish and is robust enough for a 10-20 year life.
@[Deactivated]: Breville/Sunbeam et all aren't in the market any more for products that last 10 years. No money to be made when your customers only buy from you every 15 years.
@miicah: sigh. yeah.
One can dream though, right?As an aside, it was remarkably satisfying to DIY fix my machine during lockdown with a new pump and valve, and not have to leave it in landfill.
This is a super machine, delicious coffee (So much better than our Nespresso filth)
Best coffee we've enjoyed for a long time. Sick of second rate coffee from my suburban cafes, miss the city immensely
STRONGLY recommending this machine, when the price is good just buy it!
@ash2000
The oracle is not a ‘better machine’ …..
An integrated grinder will ALWAYS be inferior, as beans heat up they grind differently which messes with the shot, learn to tamp properly. Do you ever see cafes with built in grinders???The oracle is a good machine but will never produce espresso like a DB and independent grinder…
Any deals anywhere on this at the moment??
Great Price. A shame there is no C&C option. In any event, a new "post covid" low.