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Team T-Force Dark Za 32GB (2x16GB) 3600MHz CL18 DDR4 RAM $179 + Delivery @ PC Case Gear

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pronoun on 12/07/2021 - 14:01 pccasegear.com (1929 clicks)
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Great price for a 32Gb kit of 3600Mhz RAM. I got some :)
Same kit was at this price back in June, but didn't last long… OzBargain

TDZAD432G3600HC18JDC01
16GBx2, 3600Mz, CL18-22-22-42

Same price on their eBay store, so additional discounts may be had through eBay Plus if you have it (?).
Thanks to exc3113nce for pointing this out :)

Update: price went up… but it’s back down again to $179. - thanks to Braday for commenting :)
Update: out of stock again…
Update 20th July: Available for "pre-order" at price of $179, it says ETA 23/07/2021
Update 21st July: Says "Sold Out" again.

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    • Clear on 12/07/2021 - 14:10
      +7

      32GB easily chewed up in gaming.

      • reactor-au on 12/07/2021 - 14:12

        Haven't seen that myself, can you give an example game?

        • Clear on 12/07/2021 - 14:14
          +3

          Space Engineers, Star Citizen.

        • iDrownFish on 12/07/2021 - 14:15
          +1

          Happened to me with Watchdogs 2

          • Yuri Lowell on 12/07/2021 - 14:20
            +1

            @iDrownFish: Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 goes over 16GB but only just. That game is terribly optimised though.

            Edit: Whoops wasn't meant to tag you.

            • iDrownFish on 12/07/2021 - 14:22
              +1

              @Yuri Lowell: Yeah and ubisoft optimisation is also awful, I could kinda run it fine if i closed everything else running in background but was gettn annoying and another 16gb was on sale lol

              • Yuri Lowell on 14/07/2021 - 11:58
                +1

                @iDrownFish: That's what I ended up doing when playing with 16GB in MFS2020. Honestly the 32GB does come in handy nowadays as you can leave Chrome open while gaming lol.

        • Jazza2400 on 12/07/2021 - 14:30
          +11

          Chrome.exe

      • RenVilo on 12/07/2021 - 14:21
        +6

        I recently upgraded to 32gb… If you take a game, something easy like Warzone, it chows up 10gb of ram easily.. Then I have windows resources, I have several applications running, I have plex on my machine, I have some development tools, GitHub etc. Then Chrome which takes up to 100000GB of ram easily hahaha.. So for daily usage, my 16gb was fine but then when I play games I had to exit out of several things just to get some resources available and not run to 100% ram usage.

        • iDrownFish on 12/07/2021 - 14:23
          +1

          yeah exactly, so dumb when people only take into account how much ram the game is using
          no one wants to close everything in the background when they wna play for a bit

    • Rocinante on 12/07/2021 - 14:17
      +2

      ppl just wanna to saturated all 4 of their ram slots. thats the "need".

      • Vinodra on 12/07/2021 - 19:48
        +1

        You can easily use over 16GB of ram between a game and background tasks, so that is false.

        My modded Skyrim uses well over 16GB by itself, many modern games also approach over 10GB, which, when you factor in Windows and other background tasks like Chrome, 16GB is again, not enough to use your PC while gaming and keeping frequently used programs open in the background.

    • e1ghtgundam on 12/07/2021 - 15:05
      +3

      If you're a heavy PC user then 32GB will help but if you're just an average user and play the average game then 16GB is fine tbh.

      I have 32gigs but I have 1-2 virtual machines running on Hyper-V, a couple of Docker containers, qBitTorrent (with a chunky disk cache) running at any given time. I had to stop these sometimes when I wanted to game since I kept running out of RAM when I just had 16gb.

      My view is that if the RAM is cheap and is reasonably fast (considering both the frequency and cas latency) then just buy 32gb and live your best life. Also Windows automatically caches system files (or whatever it deems useful) to utilize your unused ram but I don't really know how much that helps.

    • cski on 18/07/2021 - 16:24

      I have gns3 windows ubuntu and debian VMs so I need every bit of my 64GBytes
      Chrome alone seems to suck up 8GB lately

  • mrtee on 12/07/2021 - 14:09

    Cdie or bdie?

    • abjsdhasehasee on 12/07/2021 - 14:22
      +4

      if you think 3600 18-22-22-42 is b die you are crazy

  • samsal46 on 12/07/2021 - 14:23
    +14

    It's a shame klarna went broke ;)

  • justtoreply on 12/07/2021 - 14:25
    +6

    Not dealing with PCCG until the early-end to the klarna offer stops being frustrating. Ie: never.

    • pparanoidd on 12/07/2021 - 16:23

      What do you mean by this?

      • Neon on 12/07/2021 - 16:37
        +10

        They falsely advertised a promotion by pulling it early without informing consumers

  • theBestBastion on 12/07/2021 - 14:29

    A stupid question, it says it is tailor-made for AMD, will it work with Z490 mobos?

    • pronoun on 12/07/2021 - 14:35
      +1

      I believe "tailor made for AMD" is marketing/sales language used to make you feel good about your purchase. I'd be extremely surprised if this RAM doesn't work just as well on Intel systems as it does with AMD.

      I remember one of the most well known problems with early versions of the Ryzen platform was it's RAM compatability / stability at higher speeds. So companies started advertising "for AMD" or "for Ryzen" when they thought their RAM was especially stable…

    • Rail Rider95 on 12/07/2021 - 14:45
      +3

      Not a stupid question.

      It will work with pretty much any moptherboard that takes DDR4, but it may not run at it's listed speed with the XMP setting.
      The only way to be sure if it will work is to look up the specific motherboard you've got/are looking at. Under the support section on the manufacturers page you'll find a section for Memory QVL. That lists every single make and model of memory that the manufacturer has guaranteed will run at the rated speed on their board.

    • theBestBastion on 12/07/2021 - 15:07
      +1

      Thank you guys. I have checked the QVL list and this one is indeed compatible with both of my Z490 mobos. Bought one pair. $15 delivery is a bit too much for V1 area. Sadly, they don't offer pickup options now :(

  • Slut on 12/07/2021 - 14:45
    +1

    This or the 2x Patriot Viper Steel (2x16) for $260 on Amazon?

    • abjsdhasehasee on 12/07/2021 - 14:48

      depends on speed and timings patriot viper steel 4000-4400mhz is samsung b die so that should be 10x better than this, if its below 4000mhz just get this. i got 2x8 4400mhz viper steel for $135 and its running at 3933c14 at 1.59v

      • pennypacker on 12/07/2021 - 14:59

        4000-4400mhz is samsung b die so that should be 10x better than this

        Patriot Viper Steel currently tops out at 3600 for 2 x 16gb kit on Amazon, so none of what you said applies. This is the kit referred to for $260 on Amazon:

        Capacity: 32GB(2x16GB) Voltage: 1.35V; tested frequency: PC4-28800 (3600MHz), tested timings: 18-22-22-42

        • abjsdhasehasee on 12/07/2021 - 15:18

          damn, never checked out 2x16gb kit so didnt expect patriot to only have a 3600 kit, interesting.

          • Slut on 12/07/2021 - 19:23

            @abjsdhasehasee: yeah can't figure out which is better

            • integral on 12/07/2021 - 19:34

              @Slut: They're both a gamble in terms of what ICs you get, so I'd just get whichever is cheaper.

            • abjsdhasehasee on 12/07/2021 - 20:28

              @Slut: if your not planning on trying to oc, just get the cheapest and use xmp, if you are its a gamble still.

      • Dienk on 12/07/2021 - 15:12
        +1

        1.59v…wow

        • abjsdhasehasee on 12/07/2021 - 15:19

          its not that crazy? it wont hurt the ram lol

    • tkdbboy on 12/07/2021 - 15:35
      +1

      Patriot is a gamble … they sell kits that sometimes can't run at advertised speeds on XMP.
      My case was 64GB (2x32gb) 3600 kit on a 5950x + MSI Mag Tomahawk X570.

      • pennypacker on 12/07/2021 - 16:19

        2x32gb

        Expensive gamble, wow. Did it work out in the end?

        • tkdbboy on 12/07/2021 - 16:49

          It was cheaper at the time ($370ish).

          Couldn't post even close to 3600. Got a refund via Amazon. Went Crucial Ballistix instead for about $100 more.

          Would've chosen this deal if it was available at the time.

          • abjsdhasehasee on 12/07/2021 - 20:29

            @tkdbboy: or you coulda pumped 0.05 more volts and saved $100.

            • tkdbboy on 13/07/2021 - 08:57
              +1

              @abjsdhasehasee: Or their RAM could just work at their advertised spec.

              Tried pumping the voltage. They sent over like 6 different speed / timing / voltages to test and at best, it would boot but apps were unstable or BSOD

          • Ice009 on 24/07/2021 - 01:53

            @tkdbboy: I'm looking for a 64GB kit myself to use on my X570 MB (I'm finding 32GB isn't enough for my usage). Could you give me a link to the Crucial Ballistix kit you bought? Did you get a 3600Mhz kit or 3200Mhz kit? I am also assuming the price has gone up on the Crucial kit since you bought it?

            • tkdbboy on 24/07/2021 - 11:49

              @Ice009: Here's the one I got (BL2K32G36C16U4B): https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B083TSLC72

              Its 3600Mhz.

              Was $545 when I purchased it.

              • Ice009 on 27/07/2021 - 05:00

                @tkdbboy: Hi Tkdbboy, thanks a lot. I think I will try and get that kit. I assume it's also a good thing for it to be 2 x 32GB rather than 4 x 16GB so that you can upgrade later on with another two sticks if more RAM is ever needed.

                Does occupying all 4 RAM slots make any difference on the Ryzen 5xxx series CPUs. I thought I remember reading at launch they perform better with 4 sticks (can't remember if it was just marginal performance increase) compared to 2, but yeah, I'm still using a 3900X, so I guess that wouldn't apply to me.

                • tkdbboy on 27/07/2021 - 08:55

                  @Ice009: Yeah that's the reason I went with 2 sticks. Unlikely I would ever need to go higher than 64gb but the option is there.

                  2 v 4 sticks 64gb performance difference is negligible in real life application. Unless you want to squeeze a few extra drops out for a benchmark score, then do what is more practical or cost effective depending on your budget.

                  • Ice009 on 27/07/2021 - 12:22
                    +1

                    @tkdbboy: Ahh right, yeah, I will definitely go with the 2 sticks then if the real world performance difference is negligible (I do plan to try and get a 5900X when I can get one for a decent price, but for now, happy with the 3900X). It will at least leave an upgrade path, but, like you, not sure if I'll ever need 128GB.

                    • pennypacker on 27/07/2021 - 14:54

                      @Ice009: Here's some benchmarks for single rank vs dual rank, 2 slots vs 4 slots

                      Skip down to the third set of graphs - Single rank vs dual rank

                      On average, dual-rank memory offered up to 7% more performance than single-rank memory in our application tests. In gaming, however, it made almost zero difference.

                      The 2x16GB setup presented 20.4% and 6.7% performance gains over the 2x8GB setup in Photoshop and Premiere, respectively. We saw similar improvement in performance in y-cruncher and 7-Zip's compression benchmark where the 2x16GB memory kit outperformed the 2x8GB memory kit by 15.6% and 25.2%, respectively.

                      Four memory ranks are definitely the way to go for Ryzen 5000. On an AM4 motherboard with four DDR4 memory slots, you can opt for a memory kit that's comprised of two dual-rank or four single-rank memory modules. The cumulative results showed a negligible difference between the two setups.

                      Note: sometimes you don't have the luxury of four slots - e.g. Mini-ITX. I have 2 x 16GB Dual Rank which fulfils the last point

                      • Ice009 on 28/07/2021 - 23:41

                        @pennypacker: Thanks. This is kind of what I was asking as I thought I read on launch that the 5xxx series CPUs perform much better with 4 sticks installed. Didn't know about the 4 ranks, though.

                        How do you find out if your memory kit has dual or single ranks?

                        Would a 64GB kit (2x32GB) of that Crucial Ballistix https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B083TSLC72 that I am looking at be single or dual rank?

  • exc3113nce on 12/07/2021 - 14:46
    +3

    This is a great price. It is also listed on their ebay page so if you have ebay plus you can get a further 5% off - the code should appear on the product page. Comes to ~$185 delivered.

    • drinkin-beer on 12/07/2021 - 15:03
      +2

      You got me excited for a second there. Unfortunately pccg do not use eBay plus so no discount.

      • exc3113nce on 12/07/2021 - 15:09

        I had a 5% off coupon popup at checkout for Plus Members. It worked for me on the item.

        • Slut on 12/07/2021 - 15:15

          Was it a generic code or a targeted code?

          • exc3113nce on 12/07/2021 - 15:17

            @Slut: Ah I was just editing my comment but can't do so because of the reply haha.

            Note: It seems its a targeted code which is unique to each member, the coupon redemption code starting with PLUS5M———

            Others may have the $5 ebay plus membership coupon that may work as well.

            • petry on 12/07/2021 - 15:25
              +1

              @exc3113nce: no ebay PLUS for PCG on anything….weird stuff here these days…

        • theBestBastion on 12/07/2021 - 15:43

          Worked for me too.

          • petry on 12/07/2021 - 16:08

            @theBestBastion: so you got ebay plus free postage?

            • theBestBastion on 12/07/2021 - 17:18

              @petry: Nope, there is no free postage. Only 5% off, $16 postage.

              • Dienk on 12/07/2021 - 17:39
                -1

                @theBestBastion: No one said free shipping. With shipping it will be 185 delivered.

                Edit: it should be replying someone else lol

                • petry on 12/07/2021 - 17:51
                  +1

                  @Dienk: no 5% seen either

                  • Dienk on 12/07/2021 - 18:59

                    @petry: That is a shame =(

                    • petry on 12/07/2021 - 21:38

                      @Dienk: and a fact for '88dozz 6 hours 33 min ago' who wrote

                      'You got me excited for a second there. Unfortunately pccg do not use eBay plus so no discount.'

                      • Dienk on 12/07/2021 - 21:40

                        @petry: I thought he meant free shipping with eBay plus. I misunderstood then.

  • AryaTheExplorer on 12/07/2021 - 14:58

    Is this ram considered an upgrade from a Cl16 3200 budget ram (for 5900x)?

    • drinkin-beer on 12/07/2021 - 15:04

      I would also like to know the same thing for my 5800x with 3200mhz CL16.

    • integral on 12/07/2021 - 15:11
      +3

      Yeah, should be a decent upgrade since the Infinity Fabric runs at the same speed as the RAM.

      You could likely overclock your current RAM to 3600 tho.

      • celery juice on 12/07/2021 - 16:48

        Not if its C-die, that thing will go kicking and screaming if you try to overclock it

        • drinkin-beer on 12/07/2021 - 17:02

          Can confirm my 3200mhz kit is c-die and it shits itself at anything but xmp lol

    • ln28909 on 12/07/2021 - 15:24
      +1

      No, timing is very loose on this kit

      • fezzo on 13/07/2021 - 11:22

        The overall latency of a 3200 CL16 kit is the same as a 3600 CL18 kit though. It won't be an upgrade, but he won't notice a loss in performance either.

        • ln28909 on 13/07/2021 - 11:27

          doubt that, 3200 16-18-18-36 is better than 3600 18-22-22-42

          • fezzo on 13/07/2021 - 14:15
            +1

            @ln28909: It's the same overall latency. If you do the maths, 3600/18 is exactly the same as 3200/16. Also the 3600 kit would be better suited to running in a 1:1 ratio with the FCLK at 1800.

  • taeryn on 12/07/2021 - 15:05

    I got this previously https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/618546.
    Should be ok for me to get this and throw it in there to replace the current single stick?
    Or if anyone has suggestions to match the single stick, as it seems to be fairly hard to find a matching one.

    • pronoun on 12/07/2021 - 15:11

      CPU-Z is a simple, free program that would help you to identify the exact RAM module currently installed.

      I don't have experience trying to run XMP profiles on OEM builds… There's no reason why this RAM wouldn't work in that machine… but I don't know if you'd be able to get it running at the advertised speeds? Depends on your access to the BOIS, and the memory controller of the motherboard (I think)… [I'm no expert]

      • taeryn on 12/07/2021 - 15:40

        I did run a report previously for the part number:

        M378A2G43AB3-CWE

        But it seems harder to find than most.
        And having a second look, the timings at 1600MHz are worse than these.

  • Yormama on 12/07/2021 - 15:29

    Waiting for the xtreem 32gb to go on sale TT

  • yep41 on 12/07/2021 - 15:30
    +4

    Unfortunately I cannot purchase from PCCASEGEAR anymore due to the Klarna debacle

    • JMxoxo on 12/07/2021 - 15:43

      I’m out of the loop, what debacle? Did they can all of the orders?

      • Rocinante on 12/07/2021 - 16:00
        +1

        they shipped my 5600x out.

        • Slut on 12/07/2021 - 17:31
          +1

          what day/time did you order? Still waiting for mien.

      • Neon on 12/07/2021 - 16:40
        +2

        They pulled a promotion that was meant to last two weeks after two days without really attempting to inform consumers. Many people bought products thinking they were receiving a discount well in time only to now not be receiving it

        • JMxoxo on 12/07/2021 - 16:54

          Damn wtf that’s pretty garbage

        • bigtom_999 on 12/07/2021 - 17:27
          +1

          Wait so, now you won't get the 4th payment covered, even if you ordered before 5pm on Friday???

          • pparanoidd on 12/07/2021 - 17:47
            +1

            @bigtom_999: If you bought during the promotion you will still get the 4th payment covered. They just ended the promotion early without informing anyone

  • Neon on 12/07/2021 - 16:12
    +5

    Avoiding PCCG after the Klarna business. Trust at your own risk

    • pparanoidd on 12/07/2021 - 16:24
      +1

      What happened?

      • Neon on 12/07/2021 - 16:42
        +1

        They pulled a promotion that was meant to last two weeks after two days without really attempting to inform consumers. Many people bought products thinking they were receiving a discount well in time only to now not be receiving it. Intentional or not, it is textbook bait advertising. Wouldn't be surprised if some people still fall for it as it still hasn't been communicated publicly by either company that the promotion has ended. The only way we found out was because OzBargain people had contacts there or contacted support

        • zys0421 on 12/07/2021 - 18:06
          +2

          I saw the changed ending date was clearly written on the website… After all, it's their right to do so.

        • [Deactivated] on 12/07/2021 - 23:10

          Probably would avoid them if possible, customer service wasn't like it was 5 years ago. Pretty sure return is store credit from memory or you get a decent support rep or you have lodge small claims to get refunded.

          rant

          They take legit a week to process in stock item compare to other store where pick/dispatch within 24 hours. Now they blame pandemic for delay but is already 1.5 years into pandemic and still hasn't sort their shit. They used to offer label for RMA or offer drop off but now they won't even offer a RMA label for item broken within warranty, have to lodge a a small claims for them to offer shipping label and return. No point trying to claim any RMA out of warranty, they just push you to manufacturer.

    • munted on 13/07/2021 - 00:06

      So you know for certain that it was PCCG and not Klarna that cancelled the promotion?

  • R3XNebular on 12/07/2021 - 16:24
    +1

    Wonder if these can be tightened to cl16

    • integral on 12/07/2021 - 16:42
      +1

      Really depends on what ICs you get.

      If you get C-die, no chance at tightening primary timings at all.

      You could also get 8Gb Micron Rev E or 16Gb Rev B both of which can tighten and overclock relatively well.

      Hynix CJR, DJR or even their 16Gb ICs are possible but they should be able to do 3600 CL16.

      However, most of the performance gains comes from tightening subtimings not primary timings.

  • orza on 12/07/2021 - 16:42
    +2

    Looks like single rank DIMMS. Good for lots of chrome tabs… bad for gaming, on Ryzen at least.

    • Crimzic on 12/07/2021 - 17:30
      -1

      Buy 2 sets of these (4x16GB) to get same performance as double rank :-D

  • Smokey010 on 12/07/2021 - 17:57

    Wonder if this works with MSI Z390 Plus Motherboard. Currently have Kingston HyperX Fury 8GB (2x4GB) 2400MHz CL15 DDR4.
    Cheers

    • Dienk on 12/07/2021 - 19:00
      +1

      For sure.

  • BargainKen on 12/07/2021 - 18:49

    Whats the density on these sticks?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CO9v9rpOk

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