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Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3200MHz C16 RAM $209 + Delivery ($0 with Prime) @ Amazon US via Au

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‎CMK32GX4M2E3200C16

Colour: Black - Total Capacity: 32GB (2x 16GB) - Tested Latency: 16-20-20-38 - Tested Voltage: 1.35V - Speed: PC4-25600 (3200MHz)

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  • FWIW, purchased LPX ram in the past which wasn't compatible with my AMD 3600. Read the reviews.

    • +6

      I'm using two sets of them with two of my computer's. It is the motherboard it is not compatible on the XMP profile, not the CPU. You need to manually overclock the ram in the Bois, mostly increase dram voltage, it should work.

      • Learning something new every day, cheers.

      • +3

        wouldnt recommend increasing voltage if you dont know what ic it is, c die will be come c died with more than 1.35v

    • +2

      https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.techpowerup.com/download...

      I’ve used this tool to manually tune in Intel only compatible ram for my AMD system , works great.

      • -1

        that tool is more of a spreadsheet and a way of getting .1% of the performance you could by doing it manually

    • +1

      I'm running 32GB across 4 sticks with my 5600x

    • +2

      LPX now works fine with AMD. You just need to do your homework again so you're current.

      AMD manufacture and sell AMD specific Ryzen compatible LPX modules marketed as such because of this badmouthing hangover. They work great 100% compatible guaranteed. If you want to be assured of zero issues with AMD Ryzen, buy them. I'm running them with a Ryzen 5 3600.

      As you mentioned, there were issues several years ago with generic Corsair LPX, but they've since been resolved. Ancient history, although the mythology continues to be propagated.

      Current LPX production marketed as Intel compatible also work now fine with AMD Ryzen at their spec. clocks as does the non-specific labelled current LPX. If you want to OC AMD, the AMD compatible modules (Z3200C16 prefix) e.g. ‎CMK32GX4M2Z3200C16) are preferred. The ones offered above for $209.84 are CMK32GX4M2E3200C16, but they will also work fine with AMD Ryzen IMPE. I'd buy them with confidence at that price if I wanted DRAM for an AMD Ryzen system. All support XMP 2.0, which of course, must in turn be supported in your mobo's BIOS.

      • Depends on what modules you get. Corsair is notorious for using every possible different IC manufacturer for their RAM.

        https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/wiki/ram/ddr4
        https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/keahfo/tell_i...

        You could get:
        Micron Rev A
        Micron Rev B
        Micron Rev D
        Micron Rev F
        Micron Rev H

        Samsung B Die
        Samsung C Die
        Samsung D Die
        Samsung E Die

        Hynix AFR
        Hynix CJR
        Hynix MFR

        Nanya Rev B

        Given that your ICs could be any one of more than a dozen different models it's pretty hard to say if you'll have good compatibility or not with Corsair LPX… But you might be able to look up your version number to see what ICs you have. Thaiphoon Burner is not always accurate particularly with newer ICs.

    • Using same ram on 3600 and 5600x, no issues.

  • +1

    Will this work well with the AMD Ryzen 5 5600X? or should I use 3600Mhz memory?

    • +5

      i would use 3600

    • +4

      You'll get better performance with a 3600MHz C18 ram. 3600 C16 is better, but doubt you will notice the difference at all. Would just get a C18 if its cheaper.

    • +2

      Day to day use, u won't notice the difference. U can try to over clock it to 3433mHz CL16 @ 1.45V.

    • +1

      https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/VEN...

      Compatible with AMD 500 series according to the model number/Corsair spec page .

      I’d personally try to go 3600mhz with tighter timings, but this deal seems reasonable .

      You could try your luck , and use https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.techpowerup.com/download... to see what you can get out of this kit.

    • it would work fine but you'd want to overclock the infinity fabric to match the ram speed. Otherwise you incur latency that offsets any benefits. The other option is to run the ram at 3200mhz at a lower latency

    • +4

      There's lots of articles on this but 3200C16 vs 3600C18, there's almost no performance difference, depending on the game 0 to 3% difference. The effective speed is identical anyway.
      https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/cd2e6u/ddr4_r...

      Here's an article with a Ryzen 7 3700X and GeForce RTX 2080 Ti
      https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-ram-scaling-...

      0 to 3% difference if you look at the 3200 MHz C16 vs 3600 MHz C18 in gaming performance.

      • -1

        3600 CL16 or even 4000 CL18 if you have a top end system you will notice a difference.

        CL18 3600 is not a very good comparison

        • +3

          CL18 is by far the most common CAS latency for 3600MHz RAM. Most Ryzen 2 or 3 computers are build with either 3200 CL16 or 3600 CL18 RAM so seems the best comparison to me particularly for someone who's asking for help.

          • -2

            @munted: Common doesn't mean the best option, or make it the best comparison. 3600CL16 or 4000CL18 is the optimal. Especially for Ryzen 5000 series.

            • +2

              @4foxache: It's what most people are choosing between.

              3600 CL16 and 4000 CL18 is also listed in the article I linked. In most of the benchmarks 4000 CL18 performs less than 5% faster than 3600 CL18 in the gaming benchmarms but costs what at least 30% more? That's a better option in your mind?

              • @munted: Not going to comment on which is better. But that performance comparison doesn't quite work. If its 5% faster/more fps or whatever for your entire system, than you need to look at the cost as a percentage of the entire system, not just that single component.

              • +1

                @munted: An impressive statement in percentage terms yet people will pay 1k more for 10% extra performance in a GPU. Yet you can get 5% more in ram for about what $50? If that seems pretty good to me.

                • @4foxache: The game with the greatest difference in that set of benchmarks I posted was Far Cry New Dawn, 3600 CL18 is 4.5% worse than 4000 CL18. On average across 10 games…2.7% difference, most people are not going to notice that.

                  @winaxter We're talking about a 32GB memory kit post on Ozbargain so absolutely people could be spending $5000 on a new PC and $50 doesn't make a difference to them but they could also just be upgrading from 16GB to 32GB of RAM, could be anything, all we know if the original poster was just asking about RAM. I don't know how many things they're buying or if spending an extra $50 means they have to eat instant noodles for a week! I'm just giving the info, only the reader knows their own financial situation and if they're just upgrading their RAM…or their whole PC.

                  @4foxache If $1000 for 10% greater performance seems like good value to you then I can't help you, this is OzBargain and that seems like terrible value to me :P You also haven't explained why, "3600CL16 or 4000CL18 is the optimal" or given any prices, benchmarks, articles, examples etc. Seems to me that you've only said you can spend more to get more performance, well I mean yeah! The only price you've mentioned is $50 more and I'm pretty sure you can't get a 32GB 4000 CL18 kit for $50 more than a 32GB 3600 CL18 kit. But hey given that a 32GB 3600 CL18 is $230 then if you can find a 32GB 4000 CL18 kit for $280 then please post it, I'd be happy to upvote it!

                  https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B0897TY95J

                  • @munted: That's ok I get it you bought 3200 ram and are desperately trying to justify that decision and the performance you've left on the table. Good for you!

                    • +1

                      @4foxache: You don't know what you're talking about.

              • +1

                @munted: I've spent the last few months looking into RAM quite deeply, you have to acknowledge that your test was done with Zen 2 Ryzen architecture(3000 series).

                Also, 3600 CL16 can be quite different to another 3600 CL16, because there are three more timings that go after the 16.

                CL refers to the CAS Latency. Then there's the tRCD, tRP, & tRAS, which are actually more important funnily enough.

                Being that if you don't sync your RAM speeds with the FLCK (Infinity Fabric Clock Speed), it'll add latency to every task; which in turn, makes it slower than the 3600 RAM that has a chance of being 1:1 with the Infinity Fabric.

                A lot of CPUs, Zen 2 and 3 aren't capable of going past 3800 on the FLCK (silicon lottery), which means that buying RAM with an XMP profile of 4000, is an amateur move. Unless possibly you plan to manually lower the frequency alongside its timings, though you'd be overpaying then.

                • @Beyond: I've spent the last few months looking into RAM quite deeply, you have to acknowledge that your test was done with Zen 2 Ryzen architecture(3000 series).

                  • I did, I wrote:
                    "Here's an article with a Ryzen 7 3700X and GeForce RTX 2080 Ti
                    https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-ram-scaling-effect-in-games,7.html"

                  CL refers to the CAS Latency. Then there's the tRCD, tRP, & tRAS, which are actually more important funnily enough.

                  • It is hard to find benchmarks on every different timing and given this is OzBargain probably isn't the right place to get into timings beyond CAS latency.

                  Being that if you don't sync your RAM speeds with the FLCK (Infinity Fabric Clock Speed), it'll add latency to every task; which in turn, makes it slower than the 3600 RAM that has a chance of being 1:1 with the Infinity Fabric.

                  • In that Guru3d comparison 3733 CL16 MHz 1:1 RAM is tested, there's either no or 1 FPS difference in most tests vs 4000 MHz CL18. In gaming the FLCK just doesn't seem to make that much difference. If you think it's different in Ryzen 5000s then please link the benchmarks, I haven't actually seen this yet. On this page it actually compares 3733 MHz CL16 (IF 1:1) vs 3600 MHz CL16 and across 10 games, there's a 2% improvement in FPS. https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_ram_scaling_...

                  A lot of CPUs, Zen 2 and 3 aren't capable of going past 3800 on the FLCK (silicon lottery), which means that buying RAM with an XMP profile of 4000, is an amateur move. Unless possibly you plan to manually lower the frequency alongside its timings, though you'd be overpaying then.

                  • Agreed, I was never arguing that 4000 MHz RAM is a good choice I was saying the opposite. That was 4foxache's argument, to quote them "3600CL16 or 4000CL18 is the optimal." I wanted to know why he thought "4000CL18 is the optimal" but couldn't get any sensible argument out of them.
                  • +1

                    @munted: Great layout to your response, I'm a sucker for some good page structure. I'm quite tired and in a rush, so I won't be as neat about mine.

                    To the first message you responded to: I was just trying to point out that the information from that article may differ when being compared to anything that isn't Zen 2.

                    The second paragraph regarding timings: You're absolutely right, finding information directly inspecting that is very difficult. Alternatively, you can slow down the ram timings on your own current memory and do a couple of quick benchmark tests.

                    Third paragraph: There are two videos that lay this test out extremely well, I believe Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed did the ones I'm referring to. If you tag me again I can try to remember to look it up later when I see the notification. Or you could try to quickly scan through their YouTube profile with a few keywords, I'd try Hardware Unboxed, as I'm confident I re-watched their one recently and am not 100% certain that Gamers was the second producer of the video I'm thinking of.

                    Fourth: It seemed like you were potentially absorbing his information, as that individual had more confidence in his words/advice than he should have had, so I thought I'd just try to shut that advice that he gave immediately down, as well as any other suggestions of going higher in frequency. I'm just glad that 4fox didn't respond to me when I told him that he didn't know what he was talking about.

                    Extra: Unfortunately my eyes don't have it in them to look at your guru3d link to make my own direct responses to the information you've received. I couldn't imagine how long this response would have been if I didn't try to rush it out, I probably wouldn't have responded until tonight/tomorrow; but as I said at the start, I'm a sucker for the structure, and if someone takes the time to give me a well-written message like your own, then I'm sure as (profanity) going to try and get a response out sooner.
                    Ah stuff it, I'll try and find that video for you regarding paragraph three.

                    I probably shouldn't type tired, as I think half of the words or paragraphs I've used could have been cut out/short to express the exact same thing.

                  • @munted: This was one of them.

                    I recommend watching the whole thing, as the words are always helpful for evaluating each situation.

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGux0pANft0&t=1009s

                    There's a 20 second bit at 9:50 in the clip where he mentioned the decoupling performance effects on a memory sensitive game where it kinda hits the nail on the head.

                  • +1

                    @munted: The reason I've been following ram so hard is that it's the final piece I need to buy for my new build.

                    I should have recommended this item to you yesterday when it popped up on a temporary sale, but the thread wasn't on my mind at all.

                    https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232867?Item=N82E16820232867&cm_sp=Dailydeal_SS--20-232-867--09062021
                    I believe that'll be a Hynix DJR die.

                    My choice for cheap Corsair Vengeance with performance is the
                    https://www.pcbyte.com.au/p/crucial-ballistix-ddr4-3600mhz-3...
                    It'll likely be Micron Rev B or E, I read that Rev B is better for timings, and Rev E for frequency. Could be single or dual rank though. (made in both) The negative with the Corsair Vengeance though is that apparently, you can't monitor its temperature.

                    If you're after a Samsung B-Die kit
                    https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232860?Description=G.SKILL%20Trident%20Z%20Neo%20(For%20AMD%20Ryzen)%20Series%2032GB%20(2%20x%2016GB)%20288-Pin%20RGB%20DDR4%20SDRAM%20DDR4%203600&cm_re=G.SKILL_Trident%20Z%20Neo%20(For%20AMD%20Ryzen)%20Series%2032GB%20(2%20x%2016GB)%20288-Pin%20RGB%20DDR4%20SDRAM%20DDR4%203600--20-232-860--Product&quicklink=true
                    If you add $5 more to the cart, the $30 postage will go away.

                    You can also pay a little extra if you want the Royal Series.
                    Gold is the first link, Silver second.
                    Both are capable of overclocking to the FCLK
                    https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr...
                    https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr...

                    There is quite the price hike for getting b-die, and these are absolutely the cheapest prices I was able to find, or have found. There is also a good option or two on b-die 16x4, but I won't go there.

                    If you don't plan on fiddling with the timings+frequency, don't waste your money on b-die.

      • +1

        3200C16 and 3600C18 both have the same latency, but the 3600 has higher speed (3600 vs 3200), so better performance.

        https://www.crucial.com/articles/about-memory/difference-bet...

    • id go for a b die or micron kit and go for 3800c14 with tuned timings

    • works great with my 5800x, FWIW.

  • Dual rank?

    • +2

      Unfortunately Corsair don't list dual or single rank on their tech specs https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/VEN...

      This means you could get either and if you order the same kit twice you could get single rank in one and dual rank in the other.
      https://www.reddit.com/r/ryzen/comments/ki6r7a/a_word_of_war...

      • +1

        Thanks for the post munted.

        Crikey, the reddit author bought the same Corsair model no., same speed and CL, and got different results on his Ryzen 7 3800X because one batch was single rank while the other was dual rank. Dual rank being the better performer.

        These manufacturers should be forced to state whether the module is single or dual ranks.

        Although, in practical terms, according to Hardware Canucks, the gaming performance difference between single vs dual is about 3%~6% FPS of the lowest 1 percentile when played at 1080p.
        https://hardwarecanucks.com/memory/choosing-the-best-amd-ryz...

    • +1

      I had this kit in C18. They were bought 6 months ago and were dual rank. however one stick died and was RMA'd a month ago. The new set was single rank. I'd say its a lottery at this point.

  • Cheap

    but im chasing 2x32gb …

    its not so Cheap anymore for Corsair or even available at times

    any recommended Sets ?

    in some cases cl18 3600 is better than 16 3600 for encoding Right ?

    • +2

      CL16 will always be faster than CL18 at the same speed.

  • +3

    Lootbox memory. So if you ever plan to run 4x16GB, you need to buy 2 sets of this kit today (and pray you get the same batch number). If you buy 1 set today and another set in a few months, they could be different memory chips and will run into issues running all sticks.

    • How can you check the batch number? is it printed on the box? or the module?

      • The version number is on the sticks themselves but is visible through the packaging from what I've seen. That said I don't know of any computer show which has RAM kits on display to look at, that'd be thousands of dollars sitting there! But if you go to a shop you could probably ask them to grab a set from the back and show you so you can check the version number.

        https://www.overclock.net/attachments/img_0370-2-jpg.2480863...

  • I had my eyes on the Gigabyte B550M Aorus Pro-P motherboard. Was originally looking to get the Corsair ram but didnt realize that it is shipped from US - am a bit concerned of the difficulty of RMAing if there is something wrong with the item.

    So I checked other local retailers and the Corsair vengeance is quite costly. So I had a look at the Kingston Fury Beast and it is better priced.

    But when i checked the motherboard compatibility at kingston for the Gigabyte Aorus pro-p, they only list the 3200 CL16 variant and not the 3600 CL18 ones.

    Does this mean I can only use the 3200 CL16 on this motherboard?