*promo extended to 19/9
RTX2080 SUPER Dell Precision T3630 Workstation i7/32GB/512GB
Was $1999 Now $1799 + Free Shipping
Please note this is an Dell As New model, which means it was repackaged by Dell for resell but never used. It also come with 3 years on-site warranty
The 2080Super is most of the cost.
That said, I dislike this branding. Historically 'workstation' was an enterprise level user machine; Xeon, ECC, but without the server cost of the mobo.
This is more like a home user desktop.
Still; not a bad deal overall….
from memory, 3630 take ECC RAM
from this listing I can't tell what kind of RAM is installed
will need to look up an actual service tag to confirm exact config
also they do come with business grade mobos, so it's only the CPU that could be considered consumer grade, still plenty powerful though
actually there it is, non-ecc installed
No need to check service tags, intel don't support ECC on most consumer CPUs
8700 is a 6C/12T CPU and is adequate nowadays IMHO
probably won't have an issue feeding into 2080S
8th gen. Geez
Yeah but that cost, with 3 year on-site warranty? It's not the worst deal.
Lots of people underestimate how much the "we come to your house" repair options are actually worth (financially).
not much to individuals. For business's then ye of course.
Why you need a service call these days ? To update a driver or remove viruses?
PCs are pretty damn reliable these days.
PCs are pretty damn reliable these days.
They are, till they aren't. :)
Any of the above. Or if a part fails.
People who dont work in IT often underestimate the HUGE population who can't even locate a USB port, let alone troubleshoot.
"You mean the phone charger plug?"
….sure, that one.
@MasterScythe: Sure, so person who can't locate a USB end up buying a Dell Precision T3630 Workstation i7-8700 CPU, 32GB RAM, 512GB SSD, RTX 2080 SUPER $1799.
Now I see the problem.
@boomramada: Yep, plenty of normies look at bargain websites.
Popular one called ozbargain comes to mind; you'll often see people ask "is this good" or "is this one better?" Indicating they'd likely need help if a part failed.
@MasterScythe: Stop speculating, people who has no idea about USB is usually end up visiting HN and buying crappy low end pc / laptop. That is the reality.
I still haven't met anyone who bought a PC with more than 8GB of ram ask for assistance.
@boomramada: You really shouldn't be shocked that a non-technical user, would buy a pre-built, from a big name brand, from a trusted website, listed on another website as a bargain.
This is literally how THOUSANDS of people shop.
Non tech savvy people are the exact target of bargain pre-builts.
usually end up visiting HN and buying crappy low end pc / laptop.
Are you implying that just because HT closed their physical store, that people would just forget they were the biggest walk-in store in the state? They've kept a TON of business since moving online, and plenty of 'non IT' people too; when I was working for EducationQueensland, it was the number 1 site for teachers to shop from.
How many clients do you see a day?
Regardless, DELL is much more represented in home users than 'shop brands' thanks to people using them at work, or the old 2000's commercials.
Most users and puchasers are still convinced by the 2003 articles of how amazing the value is.
To that end, I'm not speculating, I already know.
My mother browses this website; if she asked me if it was a good purchase, and I said yes, so she purchased it, she'd still be none the wiser about how it works, just that it works well.
To provide a first hand example;
I puchased a similar system to this for my Aunty months ago; she wouldn't have a clue what RAM was, it has 16GB though, as she's a chronic 'leaves tabs open' user. and doesn't know what 'minimised' is, so you'll often have ever app she's ever used open.
I guarantee if the PC breaks, she'd have no idea how to diagnose it. Zero.
There are literally THOUSANDS of people who own PC's that are good, but don't know a thing about them.
The type who would like to play games, but dont know how to build one.
Ergo; the exact type of person to whom this system would be targeted.
I still haven't met anyone who bought a PC with more than 8GB of ram ask for assistance.
Just because you haven't met someone, doesn't mean they don't exist.
Perhaps you work with very different clients? But I digress;
There are a LOT of 'gamers' out there who bought a gaming PC, and might even know how to research what parts to BUY, but when it comes to physically installing; or better yet diagnosing a fault have ZERO training.
Just because someone can look up stats on a GPU's performance, doesn't mean they can diagnose a blown capacitor or a faulty PCI-E lane (to name just 2 common issues these days).
As a great example, if you go onto youtube and look up LinusTechTips you can see in the last year, they've had their non-tech staff (and wives, and guests) build computers; the computers work, but I'd put money down that they'd struggle to disagnose a fault.
This is a great example to which Im referring: https://youtu.be/N6jF1dxN6eQ
In fact their latest video was with an NBA player, who managed to build a killer PC, but do you really think just because he built it, he could diagnose a faulty PCI-E lane? How about ripple in the 5v Rail? What if the CR battery dies and the BIOS 'defaults'? Litterally any of the common problems you diagnose tens of, and replace daily?
I honestly don't believe they would be able to.
@MasterScythe: Can confirm. I'm one of those people who can research specs, and put together components, but would have 0 idea on diagnosing PCI-E lane issues or blown capacitors. My usual troubleshooting would be setting BIOS to default and isolation testing the various major components - e.g. ram/ssd/mobo/psu, but nothing down to the PCI-E lane or capacitor level (wouldn't even know how or what tools to use!)
@freekay: Thank you :) Its not even a tool thing, it's a symptom thing; because a bad pin-contact on the CPU causing a PCI-E lane to be iffy will result in your GPU using 1 less lane (believe it or not you can put a 16X card in a tiny 1X slot, and it will still work, just slow).
Now that PCI-E lanes can go straight to the CPU, lots of folk don't even consider 'reseat the CPU' to be a possible fix for 'oddly low FPS' when using GPU accelerated tasks.
It's a similar reason to why on 'big CPUs' like Threadripper, you can have a few RAM sticks not show up, because the pins aren't evenly compressed (not contacting), and the memory controller is now on-chip.
It's a prime example of where in-home service is valuable.
For people who only own 1 PC, its quite stressful to drop your computer off and say "It's slow, but I dont know why" and just… wait for the bill…. will it be 'free' and quick? WIll they charge me a thousand in labour? Scary for a lot of folks.
Have you got a link for where I can get it for $900 ?
How about a RTX2080 for $900?
Or 3 years on-site repairs?
@MasterScythe: I've got you covered. In 2019 someone said a Latitude 5000 warranty (3 years on-site) was $180. https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/thread/9ww4qxn9#r58558998
@twocsies: Thats OK, thats still left the OP of this chain with $900 - $180 to source this for, for it to be double, lol.
You're as incompetent as your username suggests
And I thought this typical response would die, but here we are.
Seems like quite a good value for money, despite the age. The RTX2080 new is worth over $1000 (a bit hard to find though), 32GB RAM costs over $200, the SSD could be $100 (but DELL sells it for $543!!! https://www.dell.com/en-au/shop/dell-m2-pcie-nvme-class-40-2…), i7-8700 is worth over $200.
$200 for the motherboard, case, power supply, and you've got a DELL with 3 year on-site warranty.
512GB PCIe M.2 NVMe Class 40 Solid State Drive
32GB (2X16GB) 2666MHz DDR4 UDIMM Non-ECC
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super 8GB (3DP, HDMI)
NETWORK Intel I210 1Gb Ethernet Adapter (1X1GbE) + No Wireless LAN Card
There's a lot of decent quality parts there. Not quite cutting edge but workable.
not so sure.. i paid 2200 for a dell 10th gen K series i7 with a 3070 RTX and 1TB NVME and 2TB Spinny disk with 16gb ram…. thats better value i think.
The components in this one will be much higher quality and the whole system will be extremely modular being a Precision. In terms of value this build is as good as the one you got.
2080 Super is only 20% slower than 3070.
8700 has 2 cores less (6v8) and 10% lower boost frequency than a 10700K.
This one has 32GB RAM vs 16GB (slightly slower, yes).
512GB SSD vs 1TB.
This one definitely has a better PSU, motherboard, cooling and case.
And it's $400 less.
@brimmy11: "PSU, motherboard, cooling and case" none of that shit helps with FPS. A bad PSU is a hazard, just get the specific features you'll actually use for your MoBo & so long as your CPU/GPU is not overheating, "good enough" is good enough for cooling.
Also, 2 less cores means 4 less threads. A modern i5/Ryzen 5 has as many cores & threads as the 8700. You're underselling how big of a loss that, & the GPU is by comparison.
Lastly, how do you know the Dell has superior internal components? I'm not seeing what brands they use or the exact specifications of most components, if it's custom- that just makes it extremely bothersome to replace- not that I'd have faith for Dell to provide superior MoBos etc to begin with if you're ever read/watched a benchtest. At least you know what you get at BPC or Techfast. Iirc lot of branded distributors use their own custom cooling for GPUs that greatly hinders performance.
About 43mh/s for 2080 super for anyone interested.
Whats the 3000 series equivalent to the 2080 Super
3060 ti
People complaining about a 6C12T CPU because it's, what, 3 generations old? I can understand being miffed about the workstation branding, but unless you actually need a proper workstation an 8700 will still breeze through most loads
I think you'd be more concerned with the fact its s1151… so you're at an end when it comes to cpu.
Best LGA 1151 CPU
Best All-Rounder. Intel i9-9900K. Speed. 3.6GHz/ 5GHz. ...
Fastest for Gaming. Intel Core i7-9700K. Speed. 3.8GHz up to 5.1GHz. ...
Best Hexa-Core Pick. Intel i5-9600K. Speed. 3.7GHz up to 4.6GHz. ...
Best Value for Money. Intel Core i5 9400F. CPU speed. 2.9Ghz - 4.1Ghz. ...
Best Standalone Gaming Pick. Intel Core i3-9100.
Yet if this was an i5 10600 people wouldn't bat an eye haha.
6th gen cores = 7th gen cores = 8th gen cores = 9th gen cores = 10th gen cores. They're all the same cores.
can you do a deal for 5600x (CPU only) ?
Which RTX 2080 Super?
Some OEM part
This case looks better than their current crop of towers.
I'd be interested in what this would be without the GPU
It'd be an i7-8700 system without a discrete GPU.
If you're in QLD and wanted one, id give ya $500 for the gpu.
Brand name ones are worth $800, but 'generic dell included' card has a lower budget for me.
1300 on ebay mate low balling
I was going by gumtree prices for preowned.
Thats OK, no bother. Best of luck.
yeah nah
All good man, the 2nd hand market is wild right now.
I just sold 4x 5700xt's for $700 each. And a pair of 1060's for $300.
Its a good market for used item sales right now; you'll have no problems.
I think ill just grab a 3060ti now their wholesale price is well below a grand. Stick with that for a while :)
How good is this thing as a gaming pc? say for APEX, can it go over 100 FPS?
Easily @ 1440p max
This or https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/648688 as a gaming/studying pc? The BCPTech build is back in stock on their website
Wanting to game at 100+FPS 1080-1440, mainly playing shooters
https://youtu.be/t9H2PfYDFok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRgYsQUvUX0
Should give you an idea of what the GPU performance is like.
I would go for the Dell.
Any particular reason why? I’m absolutely new to pc builds, having used the same crap Acer laptop for 10 years
I kinda need something soon because previously mentioned laptop is REALLY showing it’s age
Better video card, more RAM, legit Windows, generally better components and build quality, 3 year warranty.
The BPC tech has a better CPU and is better for upgradeability.
Aesthetics I'll leave up to you.
@coxymla: According to this it is not a better graphics card https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
@nicholasnbg: Good link, thank you for that. I hadn't realised the 3060Ti was quite that good.
If both deals were still active I would switch to the BPC…
Both are fine. The BCPTech one will be slightly faster but not by much (5-10%). The Dell one has better build quality and longer warranty.
During dell eBay 20% off Dell G5 around 2k and dell 8940 i7-11700k around $2100 and the 8940 i7-11700 went as low as $1600
I am gonna hold on to buying anything until the gpu comes down to rrp or lower.
what if Nvidia release the rtx 4080 @$2000, 4070@$1500?
Showing now as $1959
$1959 now.
I would stay away from buying a 2017 desktop now with little room to move….just my opnion
Room to move where? Not everybody wants/needs to upgrade or tinker with PCs.
Its a pretty good deal.. i had my motherboard delivered pretty quick from harris technology. Expect the same for this
I'm running a 4770K and a 1080, I'm tempted to buy an upgrade but with the 4000 series and DDR5 on the horizon I'm just gonna hold tight as long as I can..
I'd imagine for gaming, you'd get slightly better value from a Ryzen 5 3600/i5 10400f with a 3060ti. Techfast had such at ups below $1500 in July.
BPCTECH has a more modern i7 10700kf (8 core/16 thread) with the 3060ti for the same price.
The 3060ti is slightly better than the 2080S iirc. Obviously do your own research & weigh up your own pros & cons- Dell's warranty could very well tip the favour.
i7-8700 is kind of… xmas 2017
i mean that was such a lovely time to be alive