Regaine Men's Extra Strength Foam Hair Regrowth Treatment 4 x 60g Half price at Chemist Warehouse. Doesn’t seem to come up at this price very often.
The topical liquid 4 month pack is also on sale for $72.99:
https://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/68714/regaine-men-s-…
Liquid is always a bit cheaper, foam is generally more expensive.
You want the liquid. You need to apply to the hilt of your hair strands and it's follicles, so close to the scalp. Foam will coat the length of the hair shaft where it has no active effect. Liquid can be rubbed more easily into the scalp, and requires less product (less costly).
I only want it for my frontal hairline, I basically have no hair loss other than a naturally receding hairline.
The foam I think is less greasy, so it would be more suitable in certain situations.
@[Deactivated]: I'm in exactly the same sitch. Just use this for my temporal recession.
Each to their own, but my recommendation is liquid. I skip the morning dose (there's no evidence showing better results with twice daily) because I want to style in the morning then at night use the liquid to really get in there and wet the scalp and follicles (and subsequently ruin my styling before bed).
Foam is less greasy because it's caught in your hair and not your scalp. If you're getting some itchiness on your scalp in the first couple of months after commencement, then you're applying correctly.
You seem to be the expert on this stuff - I've been using the foam (Kirkland) for quite a few years, never really been sure it works that well but I've heard mixed things about the liquid and the itchiness. Also my hair is actually quite thick at the front, I just have a bit of thinning on the crown and as I'm tall as well and can use hair fibers it's never really bothered me.
If I want to keep things simple what about trying a demra-roller once a week and using the liquid at night and foam in the mornings?
Also I was told that it doesn't really have much effect on the frontal recession only crown - but as mentioned I don't have much thinning there anyway.
@dinglejerry: That's a fairly typical experience of not being certain about it's effect (because it hasn't provided any regrowth) but it will slow patterned loss, so unless you can compare the rate pre- to post commencing treatment and decipher a difference (usually just those that were experiencing rapid loss and intervened relatively early), you probably aren't sure of it's effect. Unfortunately the only way to be certain is to cease treatment and then observe rate of loss, but you have to be prepared to stop it's therapeutic benefit.
I haven't found any evidence to support microneedling therapies. Personally, that's one I hold skepticism.
Foam vs. liquid is up to you. You will get more effective application with liquid, and likely a better benefit. Maybe make a choice that suits your personal routine and styling, but side with the liquid at least once daily thoroughly to the scalp if that's achievable for you.
Itch is a common side-effect of topical minoxidil applied effectively to the scalp. It'll last maybe 1-2 months and gradually reduce with time. In the meantime, avoid scratching/touching and consider using an anti-histimine.
And, yes, these medicines have much greater effect on the vertex (crown) than the temporal and frontal regions, particularly the temporal regions.
@muwu: Thank you for the diligent reply. I might buy some of the liquid and try it at night and then use the foam when I'm out and about during the day (i.e. in the morning - does that seem sensible). Would there be any issue with combining them like that? Might be more cost effective too.
I was worried the liquid might leak onto / stain my pillow when sleeping… is there anyway to avoid that?
@dinglejerry: Sounds like you've got a regimen that works for you.
Same medicine, so combining liquid and foam won't matter.
I've never noticed any staining from topical minoxidil. I use white pillow cases, so feel fairly confident to say it doesn't stain. It's also only ~1mL rubbed into your scalp, with surrounding hair to retain it, so I can't see there being very much at all potentially available for transfer onto manchester.
@muwu: Ok good news. I'll also try doing it well before bedtime to give it time to dry.
I personally was never really interested in Finasteride. I mean I'm still getting cast for the odd TV ad here and there so figured why worry too much ;)
Doesn’t this stuff sometimes cause permanent, irreversible erectile dysfunction?
Your question is in reference to the disproven fear related to the side-effect profile of oral finasteride, not topical minoxidil.
Comprehensive meta-analytically studies prove that a small number of patients (1-2%) will experience side-effects including some related to sexual dysfunction when commencing oral finasteride, and that this cohort will return to the normal population on follow-up in 18 months.
It takes some research and understanding to be comfortable using medicines like finasteride, but once you do you'll be confident in it's therapeutic benefit and low incidence of self-limited side-effects. Discuss with your GP and follow-up with him/her.
It is interesting you say that. I'm hardly an expert on this stuff but I have heard way too many reports of nasty side effects (seemed more than 1-2%) so avoided it… I'm happy enough though ;-)
seemed more than 1-2%
Exactly, you hear the negative reports or feedback and it hasn't a greater emotional pull. Get stuck into those meta-analyses to tease apart the statistics and you'll find reassurance in the numbers and follow-up.
@muwu: Fair enough. However I'm not bothered enough by some slight thinning to worry about it in all honesty.
@dinglejerry: I'm not sure what your age and rate of patterned loss is at this time, but the more pertinent question is what degree of patterned loss you'd be more happy with in 5, 10, or 15 years time. If you've noticed loss, it likely started well before it came to your attention, and there is no better time to commence than early to maximize preservation and lower rate of loss.
I was using topical minoxidil for several years before accepting the benefits and safe side-effect profile of oral finasteride, and I wish I had started earlier.
I understand, of course, it's only natural for any man to baulk at the idea of an anti-testosterone medicine and the list of uncommon side-effects. I was the same, and it's the first reaction when the idea is relatively new (or not researched) by someone you discuss this with. I can only encourage to study up and dig down into those studies and numbers and understand the low and reversible side-effect profile and it's efficacy. It's difficult for a lot of men to tackle that by themselves (especially if you don't have education or training in health sciences and maths/statistics), so finding a doctor experienced on the condition to discuss with is the best thing to do.
@muwu: Hey mate, I've had friends who have had the side effects. It's just not worth it for me, I'm happy enough in who I am and now late 30s with a bit of hair loss I'm honestly doing better than a lot of blokes my age and still have a fairly thick head of hair at front. I don't think I will go down the finasteride path but each to their own.
I suffered erectile dysfunction and loss of interest when taking oral finasteride. Went back to normal within 1-2 months of stopping it.
For real or joking? I guess it effects everyone differently my brother said he is fine but it does say it as a side effect
@AussieMark: Its real. I bought three packs of finasteride tablets. Used one pack and then stopped due to the side effects.
My four friends don't have any side effects and they used a compounding solution from an Auburn chemist (finasteride 0.25% + minoxidil 5% + vitamin E 1%)
Is it just me but when I saw the image I thought this deal was for condoms…..
You should google what this stuff will do to your wang
When you do you'll be disappointed… the answer is NOTHING
Finasteride, on the other hand, can be associated with some systemic side-effects in a small minority of patients (1-2%) which is then returned to the normal population at 18 month follow-up.
Don't believe the fear. They are safe medicines supported by the statistics shown in comprehensive meta-analytically studies.
Follow-up with your GP to discuss results and any potential side-effects when starting finasteride.
I'm on Mosh hair gain products for about a year and my wang is still wanging. I had even prepared the missus for more disappointment.
How much fur have you got there lol?
Does the mosh hair stuff work at all? I'm only just starting to get very mildly receding hairline, but i'd prefer to limit the damage as much as possible
@NedStark102: Mosh works for me. I had a receding hairline and the hair was thinning. Used to hate standing under a downlight for photos and got a very self conscious. I pay $209 for 3 months.
Topical Minoxidil 10%
Finasteride tablets
What's the $$$ of Mosh?
@dealsforlife: Thanks for the info.
My cost is ~$12/mo for oral finasteride and topical minoxidil, achieving what I expect from the two medicines proven in studies to be effective.
@dealsforlife: Oral finasteride I get prescribed off-label by my GP. It cost $30-35 for x30 tablets of 5mg, I quarter per day and skip the fifth day to dose at 1mg/day. That box will last 150 days.
Topical minoxidil I use Kirkland from resellers off eBay at $10-15/bottle, which I dose daily and last me more than 2 months.
No other therapies are shown to have empirical evidence supporting any claims of slowing androgenic alopecia. These two medicines are the mainstay of any treatment intended for this indication, and hair clinics pray on young men by charging exorbitant prices for these medicines as well as introducing many adjuvant therapies that have no proven benefit along with high consult fees and associated costs.
@muwu: $11.95 (free postage) for FINASTERIDE 5MG 30 TABS at superpharmacy.com.au
split each tablet into 8 for a daily dose of 0.625mg.
cost is $1.49 per month.
@devilbabies: You can also try compounding medicine
Minoxidil 1MG / FINESTERIDE 0.5 MG Capsule - 100 Caps.(online pharmacy selling for $75 includes delivery) Need a prescription by GP.
I have been using this amazing results. Along with this I also applying daily twice Regaine oil too.
@venusozb: Can we request a regular GP to give this prescription?
I was referred to a dermatologist who charged 300$ for consultation
@rampvm25: Yeah GPs will be hit-and-miss in whether they are informed and comfortable prescribing, as it is an off-label indication. If not, they'll refer you to a dermatologist which will involve a private consult fee. I personally went to a second GP who had a better understanding about it's low-dose use for androgenic alopecia, and then with 5mg tabs and repeats I don't need to return for another script for 2.5 years.
@muwu: Thanks. I did do some research because I thought I was paying too much for Mosh but I couldn't find Minoxidil (for cheap) so I kept renewing the subscription. Could you please send me a link in a PM for Minoxidil?
@dealsforlife: This is the eBay reseller I last used:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/203479262941
The sweet spot is probably the order for x6 bottles at less than $10/ea delivered.
It'll give you a woolly willy!
If you really want to get the Bosses attention you would bet better off getting Dimoxinil.
But is costs $1000 and you will have to be very creative with how you get medical insurance to pay for it
What is it?
Doh!
Classic reference.
I am a simple man. I see a simpsons reference, I upvote
Is this cheaper than with the cashback that was recently offered?
I'm scared to start using this, esp for my hairline.
I would with a combo of derma rolling.
Anyone started using, didn't notice anything and stopped with no issues? 🤣
What are you scared of?
Hi Miracle, sorry to jump in here. But I am wondering if you can advise from your experience and the empirical evidence, how bad should I expect the initial thinning phase to be on Minox? and on Fin? Also, is there anything in the rumours about Post Finasteride Syndrome? Legitimate questions as I am considering starting one or both of these. Thanks for your contributions on this thread.
Temporary shedding is on a case-by-case basis, some experience it. Didn't happen to me, but from what I've read it might last 4-6 weeks, can be quiet severe, but you need to push through continuing with the medication as it is temporary and it will have a therapeutic effect.
I don't know much about post finasteride syndrome. I think that's because most studies I've read don't really address it, I think because it's not really recognized. That'll be because of either very low incidence (if there is a causal link in very select cases) or because reports of these side-effects are being compounded with other causes or problems. It's enough to say that, at least statistically, you shouldn't fear the very low probability and very low risk that it might exist.
ditch this, get the pills, cheaper and better
I doubt a Dermatologist gives me oral, plus you get hair growth in other places from that I believe.
Correct. I tried the cheap tablets that you find at woollies and found that I got more hairs in my chest. Probably in the head too, just harder to notice a change there
I doubt a Dermatologist gives me oral
Time for a new dermatologist then. You're missing out.
Derma rolling your scalp ? Is it effective with this product?
Just get on fin, it's the only way for you to have a chance against hair loss. there are studies showing 0.25mg is effective, it varies from person to person. 0.25mg would also mean less side effect.
have someone try it before ?
how about the results ?
work ?
I've been using topical minoxidil for 4-5 years.
I've been using oral finasteride for 2 years.
I've re-established normal hair pattern at my vertex (top of head) after noticing some relatively mild thinning. I've mostly paused recession at my temples which has been very slowly advancing.
They are the only two medicines with proven therapeutic benefits for treating androgenic alopecia.
I use the Kirkland (internationally branded) which resellers import to Aus and resell on eBay and Amazon. Same generic medicine, same effect. Usually $10-15 per bottle and available at that price regardless of specials. Total cost for me ~$70 per year.
I use finasteride 5mg prescribed by a GP (PBS cost at ~$30-35 per pack), and quarter for daily use and skip the fifth day. Total cost ~$80 per year.
So total cost per year ~$150.
To compare, take a look what the hair clinics cost. Many thousands $$$ on a recurring basis. They use these two medicines at much higher price points, and then introduce plenty of expensive adjuvant therapies (e.g. lasers) with no demonstrable effect and plenty of consult fees and associated costs. It's an exorbitant practice praying on young men.
Just remember to align your expectations with what these medicines are intended for - they slow hair loss, not stop (and rarely regrow, sometimes a bit at the vertex only), and it's best to use them with a healthy acceptance of the ageing process and focus on styling to complement and express your pattern and advancement of hair loss.
miracle,
Thanks you so much 😘
I got it !
finasteride can buy at chemist warehouse ?
You need a prescription to take to a pharmacy.
Finasteride is off-label for androgenic alopecia, so it will depend on your GP's experience and take on it's use. If your GP is unsure, s/he will refer you to a dermatologist (which privately involves expensive consult fees). Personally, I had to see a second GP who was more comfortable discussing with me it's use for this indication and subsequently prescribing.
I would be happy to maintain, until I can get a hair transplant to have a perfect hairline again.
Unfortunately Finasteride gave me some sides, esp when I dosed EOD. Once I took it daily, it was better so I would be worried to take the 5th day off.
I didn't notice any difference from .5 to 1 either in terms of side effects.
Interesting you say this, my GP suggested if i was worreid about sides to take it every second day - what were your side effects?
Personally, found better success after switching to dutasteride over finasteride, and eventually wound it back to a dose twice a week as dutasteride says in the system longer. I never had an issue on top of the head, more receding at the temples.
Also use a Ketoconazole based shampoo as a scalp treatment (rather than a shampoo) twice a week which is reported to assist when used in concert with a 5α-reductase inhibitor.
It may work differently for you, but I personally have had some great success with Regaine, and have been using it for approximately 2 years now. My hair density has increased significantly since starting treatment, and I have no intention of stopping given the improvements so far. It's probably worth noting that I did not experience any hair loss prior to the use of Regaine, and just used it as a preventative measure as I have a family history of hair thinning/balding. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions!
Sorry I’m confused, what was your great success if you haven’t had any hair loss yet?
I have always dealt with thin/sparce hair genetically, but it has has gotten significant thicker since using Regaine.
thanks your experience comments !
Apparently younger you are the better the results.
Take note, derma rolling or using a pen makes it much more effective.
Lots of feedback on Reddit
Shave it off man
dont get this if you have a cat
thanks bought 10.
I prefer to have my forest rich down there
does this actually work ?
worked for homer simpson
yep, im on this and fin. hair is normal now
However, not for foam.
Was refunded, out of stock, decided not to use it as it I don't want to block any androgen receptors as i need them for strength
Different results, different costs.
5 stages of grief also applies to hair loss. Eventually acceptance comes.
I have acceptance now.
I accept that the therapeutic effects of the two medicines proven to be effective for androgenic alopecia will slow my ongoing hair loss and can regrow some at the vertex (crown), which it has, but it will not stop hair loss. I accept it by styling in a complementary and expressive way for my pattern of loss (temporal recession), and will continue as ageing progresses.
Been using it and other brands products for over 10 years now. From my experience, it can slow down the hair loss but do not expect you will grow back like you never have the hair loss.
Try using a Dr Pen, aka Derma Roller.
There's two types of balding men. Those who buy hair regrowth products, and those who buy beard grooming products.
Must be a Venn diagram type of situation because I'm right in the middle.
One-Punch Man confirmed.
He would lie outside the Venn diagram entirely lol
I was thinking about taking on this battle. I just turned 40 and have a some receding at the top near curves of my widows peak. I looked at the options and I decided, (profanity) it I’m accepting ageing. Cant look 25 for ever.
I am going to try hold on, worse case I'll head to Turkey.
I don't mind spending 5-8k to fix my hairline, women spend alot more on themselves.
I don't yet have experience with follicular unit transplantation, but from my research I'd suggest putting in a lot of legwork (and more $) finding a very reputable surgeon, as there's plenty of anecdotal data out there to suggest you don't want to be racing to the bottom on cost for this. I mean no mark on the credentials of plastic surgeons in Turkey who practice this procedure, but I'd be skeptical and doing more study.
I've been researching for years, you find most of Europe goes to Turkey. You find the doctors in Turkey do this day in and day out, and most other plastic surgeons around the world don't simply specialise in hair transplant only.
When I talk about heading to Turkey I don't mean to find some cheap clinic for 2000 Euro 4000 graphs.
I mean to go to one of the upper clinics and pay reasonable money for basically 2000 grafts to fix the hairline.
It's very very hard to find a clinic in Australia that's doing good work, I think I've come across one or two clinics and you're looking at 10000 +
@[Deactivated]: Don’t start using minoxidil if you haven’t tried before yet.
It cost a lost and almost no chance of actual hair regrow. hair transplant or using plasma injection is the best way currently.
transplant in turkey will cost about $2000 average quality.
A lot of people from Australia go to Turkey to get their dentist work, hair, nose jobs, etc done for a fraction of the price with the same quality if not better quality of work.
My only problem is that I know lebron James got this done - he would have had a “money no object” surgery and surgeon, and he’s already going bald again. And he’s in peak physical condition and nutrition would be off the charts. Don’t get me wrong I’m fit and very healthy/lean etc- but I ain’t lebron James lol. I don’t know man.
Bought. Let's see what it can do.
minoxidil works for some and not others it's just genetics.
This looks cheaper though https://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/40664/hair-a-gain-5-x-60ml-(5-months-supply)