I Am A Roulette Aficionado Thinking of Sharing My Experience

Ok here’s a doozy for ya. I’ve been here for some time and give a bit of ribbing and take a bit so be playful if you want but not mean ok?

I play Roulette 7 days a week. Not with many thousands of dollars but with a small bank roll to keep it stress free. Most people that know me or watch me are very inquisitive about my game, strategy and my strict adherence to certain shall we say rules I apply to myself which allows me to keep going back and not blow all my money like the average Joe or Josephine.

I’ve shared my skill with one other person, a poker player, but they couldn’t control themselves and after some initial success thought they could go big. It was a disaster - for them and I told them they shouldn’t gamble EVER. It didn’t end well.

With all the crypto investors out there I figure my roulette strategies are no worse than playing the crypto market. So my big question is would anybody pay to be coached in this timeless battle against the house and what would they expect for their money? Hypothetically of course.

EDIT: I did say it was a doozy and OzB’s have delivered pretty much what I expected. I could look up a word in the dictionary to describe what that looks like but I think the replies speak for themselves. Thank you one and all!

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          • @brendanm: I win or lose somewhere between 0 and $300 per visit as a rule.

            • @MontyMacaw: Can you share your LTD win/loss, or at least your win/loss for Roulette for the last 12 months?

  • +2

    OP you greased yourself here, some of these responses make my head hurt.

    To echo others, you are definitely using a system but there is NO statistical advantage to it, and if you truly have kept your head above water playing over the years then well done, one of the few.

    I also cannot see the relevance to playing roulette and crypto whatsoever.

    • -2

      Thank you. I can’t understand what people see in AFL but I enjoy NRL and Rugby.

  • +2

    “Counting Cards” in blackjack can help to give you a slight advantage over the bank but croupiers are trained to spot those doing this. Those suspected of gaining an edge over the casino are directed out the door. In roulette, if you play long enough, you lose. You might be lucky and win short-term, but you might also lose on the first roll and struggle to get even after that. “Counting Cards” in blackjack is like people following patterns and performing technical analyses to try to predict what bitcoin will do. It’s all still gambling because there are no guaranteed positive results.

    • +6

      Counting cards doesn't work at the Australian casinos I have visited. They all use continuous shufflers.

    • +4

      As an ex-blackjack dealer… no, we were never trained to spot card counters. They are in a very very slim minority of players and it is still no guarantee of winning. They basically do no damage to the casino on the main gaming floor,

      The other thing used to combat card counting was the introduction of continuous shufflers. This has the affect of turning the shoe into an infinite amount of decks that you can’t divide your tracking count by.

      And trust me, the casino does not give a shit about 1 card counter. They rarely do any real damage, most times they just lose like everyone else. They may have to sit through 3 or 4 shoes worth of hands to get that perfect storm of cards. Added to this, there are table limits on how much you can bet.

      Also, added to this is that I have dealt to several card counters. They are still allowed into the casino, as card counting is a skill and is not illegal or cheating. They are usually limited to play one box, table minimum per bet, but they are still allowed in.

      Things that will actually get you banned is hard cheating, like pressing bets, post posting, marking cards, etc…

      • +1

        Thanks for updating me on this, pegaxs! I haven’t looked into this for decades and I always wondered why they didn’t introduce mechanisms to neutralize card-counting. Clearly, they have!

    • You are exactly right! The longer you sit at a roulette table the greater the chance you will lose or increase your losses

  • +7

    Somebody doesn't understand extremely basic statistics.

  • +1

    You can't beat the house on a traditional roulette wheel. However those electronic roulette games with 6-12 screens at many clubs/RSL's can be played profitably. The key is to play against the other people, not the house.

    The games are electronically rigged and the smallest pay-out generally wins (so the house wins).

    You just have to take into account the aggregate bets of everyone else on the table, which takes a fair bit of mental arithmetic, before placing your bet in time (<30 seconds).

    If the majority of the table bets red, you go black. If it's too hard to tell, throw a $1 on 0. You wouldn't believe the number of times this wins. It doesn't work everytime, but on average I've found it's a very sound strategy. It works especially well if there are a lot of drunk/inexperienced players about making big/dumb bets.

    You can only ever make a % of what others are betting. If you try to bet big, you will lose big.

    Have fun and gamble responsibly!

    • +2

      The games are electronically rigged and the smallest pay-out generally wins (so the house wins).

      Do you have a source for this, or is it just anecdotal? My recollection is that in Australia, if an electronic game looks like say roulette, it has to be a real-odds roulette game and not a rigged one.

      • -1

        Purely anecdotal, it will never be written anywhere and the machine makers will always claim they are random. But a Russian hacker showed Aristocrats Australian made pokies are rigged by hacking their timings to his benefit.

        Do you have any evidence for you claim?

        I recommend you give it a go, or at least observe these games for an hour.

        • But a Russian hacker showed Aristocrats Australian made pokies are rigged by hacking their timings to his benefit.

          That is not even vaguely what that article says.

          • @djkelly69: I agree.

            Good luck to 'Alex' if he's winning.

  • +6

    OP: I want a discussion on X.
    People comment
    OP later abandons thread and makes one last edit about how everyone is wrong/bully and his right.

    Seems like a common theme for people posting on the forums.

    • +2

      OP got the responses they deserved. They basically advertised a coaching service for crypto trading based on their success in playing… roulette.

      • +1

        Agreed, I find it laughable his comparing it with a hobby such as golf, one of his mates must not have given him a putt and he lipped it out.

    • +2

      it's confronting when there is a collision between the reality and the reality you've built for yourself

  • +1

    As others have said, there is no profitable way to play roulette. You can of course win money over the short term, but regardless of the betting system used or some Super Secret Strategy, you are always playing against the odds and will lose money over the long term. To say otherwise is to not have a basic grasp of mathematics, or be trying to sell a course on how to play roulette. The latter is basically a scam.

    The OP mentions mental rigidity and mental agility while playing roulette. You're either fooling yourself or trying to fool other people.

  • From your experience, is it better to stick to inside bets, outside bets or both? Any tips for newbies that have worked for you?

    • +1

      When I first started going to the races with my family, my mother who was an anti gambler but loved owning horses said to me that to start with I should pick some horses that race regularly and follow them. In other words bet on them for every start. She said anything over $1 each way was just stupid and I should never do it. This gave me a good grounding in trying a lot of things for the first time. So perhaps pick a few numbers of combinations and stick with them. Sometimes you will win and sometimes you will lose it’s almost a 50/50 game. As time goes on you will see different people doing all sorts of strategies and you might like to experiment with what looks promising but the best advice is, if you can, quit when you are ahead and NEVER go back to try and win back your losses. They are gone forever.

      • +1

        If your mother is an anti gambler she must feel very ashamed of herself for getting you into this

        • -1

          She didn’t. I did it all by myself probably because I like numbers and statistics.

  • I'm keen to know more of your strategy that obfuscates the long term losses realised from playing roulette.

    • +2

      Step 1: Play roulette
      Step 2: When you run out of money, go to the ATM and withdraw some more
      Step 3: Lie to the wife and say you won big. Hope she doesn't notice.

    • Self control and a set of rules for yourself that you never ignore. Not as easy as it sounds believe me.

  • The only Roulette I'll consider is the Russian one.

  • +6

    I’m an expert at coin flipping, I play it 8 days a week. Let me know if you want any hot tips.

    • What are the odds of the coin landing on its edge??😜

      • +1

        in all my years of coin tossing…
        it actually happened once..

        my brother was livid. we both still had to wash the dishes.

  • You teach someone how to make a bit of money and then they can pay you for coaching, simple.

  • +4

    Casinos must luv gamblers who think they're smarter than the house?
    Normalising gambling by comparing it to golf is how one justifies the problem.
    Gambling 7 days a week is NOT a hobby, it's an addiction.
    You can be addicted to golf but it won't cost you more than the green fees and an unhappy significant other.

    • +1

      Ah, but the OP has a secret method that they will reveal after you pay for coaching. What happens when it doesn't work? 'You were doing it wrong'. The OP already blamed a poker player he coached.

      The coach can also claim 'But MY methods are far better than everyone else's. They lose money but not me!' What evidence is there to support this statement? None. You have to pay for coaching to find out, but then it's too late.

      There's a flood of fake gurus spruiking their programs and plans on Youtube at the moment. Maybe the OP can create their own video.

    • My father played golf almost every day until he had a debilitating brain tumour. He was always trying to improve his game and took great comfort in the solitude that he experienced while doing it. Mum would always find things for him to do if he sat around the house too long, bless her because it kept him fit and healthy.

      • You can't beat roulette tho. The house has the advantage, no matter which way you spin it or how many hours you spend trying to get better.

  • I've thought of a good way to get paid for coaching. After you coach them, you get 50% of their profits and have to pay them 100% of their losses. If you believe in what you're teaching them you believe you'll make money this way, and your student can only profit as well so they don't have to worry if you're running a scam.

  • +1

    Only one strategy when it comes to gambling. Expect to lose, any other outcome is a bonus

    OP, no offence as I love a little gamble here and there, but if you're expecting a positive outcome you may have a problem.

  • +1

    i suspect it's mostly confirmation bias. you can think up any strategy you like, which over time will fall to a statistical baseline that is equivalent to a coin toss (or slightly less chance of winning than a coin toss, in the case of roulette). what is different is how you perceive those losses and whilst it's easy to convince yourself that you have a winning strategy, it's a lot harder to convince others, as OP has found with the responses so far. the only thing OP has got going is the psychological aspect as you have worked out a risk management strategy over the years, which is important but not something you can teach others

  • -1

    The best thing to do in a casino, is to walk past all the tables, wheels, slot machines etc and go straight to the bar and spend your money there. You'll have more fun and meet more interesting people and you'll probably leave the joint with some money in your pocket.

    Gambling, all gambling, is a mug's game with the only real winners being the people who own the casino/website/track.

  • OK I'll bite. How much do you charge for the course?

    • +2

      Apparently it costs $300 a day!

    • I don’t run a course. I have only thought of the possiblity of it after many people said I should write a book or similar. This if you like is a test group not unlike TV stations do to figure out if a show will work or not. It’s been very informative.

  • +2

    Casinos Hate Him!

  • +3

    I assume OPs strategy is just, watch the croupier for a few rounds, make an "informed" guess at which quadrant it will land on from where the ball is released and bet on those 9 numbers. Odds are going to be below neutral but win often enough that confirmation bias kicks in and that scratch the gambling addiction itch.

    If they had a viable strategy they would be using it to ball roll an early retirement.

    • +1

      Yes, I would imagine that if you get a consistent 'ball spinner' as your dealer, basically they would have to release everything like a machine every single time (not humanly possible), you MIGHT be able to guess the correct half of the wheel the ball will end up in. But the fact that the grooves in the wheel introduces so much chaos into the result, it is highly unlikely to give you an edge even then.

      • There are automated and poorly maintained roulette tables - they are vulnerable

    • You’d think that if you had some success you could just scale it up but your brain is the problem here. If you bet more than you are comfortable with losing it affects your judgement and selections and everything goes out of whack really quickly. I know because I too thought that once and discovered my game play changed as my stress levels increased so one personal rule is NEVER play when feeling stressed. It cost a fortune to learn that one!

  • Put it all on Black

  • +2

    Gotta love Ozbargain and the quality threads it attracts.

  • +3

    Only way to win in any Casino game is:

    Be a member, go there once a year and enjoying the free drinks and nights out and free parking. Walk out and come back and do it all over again next year.

    • There are no freebies in the casino. You pay for everything one way or another. Some of my biggest losses over the years have come about by being comp’d things.

      • +2

        I am pretty sure I didn't say go to the gaming table and play the games. You can go to the casino and straight to the bar and enjoying the free entertainment. My friend has been milking Crown since the year 2000. Always get the free drinks and join the show and get out. Not even a $5 bet at the end of the night. LOL

        • I get it. When you spend money you contribute to the costs. You don’t have to gamble for that.

          • @MontyMacaw: Contribute the costs for the others, not himself. Win win for him.

            In fact he has been doing that since the 90s and I just asked him. Was known as Burswood Casino back then.

            • @Aerith-Waifu:

              Was known as Burswood Casino back then.

              Isn't it called Burswood casino anymore? Last time I was there it was, now I feel old 😔

          • +1

            @MontyMacaw: By the way, how much winnings you make each week?

            Also, if you are winning now per week, how long is the streak of winnings so far? What's the total win/lose position you are in overall?

            Just out of curiosity?

  • +7

    I need more than 5 neg votes in 24hours for the
    amount of stupidity in this thread.

    • +2

      You like everybody can make negative comments though…

      • +1

        Thanks for the opportunity for a pos vote 😎

  • Increase your stake each time you don't win until you do?

  • +1

    I’m almost tempted to pay OP to hear the dribble. I wouldn’t put it down to a waste of money, but rather ‘entertainment’

  • Here is a system. Wait for 4 blacks then bet $10 for red, if black again bet $20 for red, if black again then bet $40 for red, if black again bet $80 for red… etc…

    If you win before your money runs out then cash out and leave the building.

    Or, if you want to play more conservatively wait for 5 blacks or 6 blacks before starting….. haha :/

    (Of course, this sounds good [$10 win haha], but only doubling the stake each time works (if you don't run out of money first or hit the table limit if any).

    [I do not play roulette. Are their table limits for black/red ?]

    • I recommend you keep
      Not playing roulette and yes there are table limits.

  • haha, roulette system…. hey OP I am a beautiful princess stuck in an airport, my father was the ruler of the state bank and left me with all the money…. can I have your CC to transfer some money….

    again…. roulette system….. soooo funny

  • I've seen a couple of approaches that seemed to work.
    Don't go to the fanciest casino - instead find one that has poor maintenance.
    Don't play on tables with a croupier, instead an automatic table where they won't kick you out for playing a certain strategy. Look around for vulnerable tables where results seem to be repeating. Then there is something about betting on thirds / color. It's tedious but people can make a small and steady return. Same goes for api wagering - making use of promo offers and arbitrage models. I know people who can get steady 8% returns from sport betting. They do go through quite a few fake IDs in the process as the big bookies keep banning winners.

    • I think you are referring to table bias where with age a wheel can wear and become slightly off balance. This is where physics comes into play. Over a long period of studying the results it’s possible to work out the bias then over a long period of time you can play the advantage. It’s not something you would get rich doing in a single night though because the bias is not obvious to the casual observer so it will only favour the bias a small percentage of spins. Over time the bias can be profitable. It’s a very specialised strategy that takes a very long time to figure out and to collect on. Most casinos rebalance their wheels on a regular basis and will also move wheels from table to table so you are less likely to play the same wheel for the period of time required.

      • I've once found such a table and hit the right number three times as the results kept repeating often. It had an automated ball release - not a croupier - the casino itself was poorly maintained - it was in eastern Europe.

  • -1

    When I go to casino I put 1 chip on black 1 chip on red, never lose money, ask for free drink and hog a spot.

    • It falls on green often enough.

      • Usually about 1 in 37 spins.

    • 🤭

  • +2

    The house always wins. End of story

  • +2

    Sounds like u are salty because u never invested in crypto. That was your biggest mistake, as u keep referring to it.

    I know your type. You will go to the Casino with $500 to make $50 a day but spend 5 hours trying to make it. You think your smart and disciplined but at the end of the day your risking 100% to win 10%

    Go get a gf. Hopefully not from the casino. That’s my advice

    • -5

      Thank you for your considered if not slightly condescending advice. Like many on here your assumptions are completely incorrect but it is interesting how may people like to put my post down without a reasoned argument or “know” what I am talking about when they are just speculating. Maybe my post is intimidating to some “types”. God bless you 🙏

  • OP may I suggest you release your brilliant idea as a NFT?

    I'll bid $10

    • -4

      I consider NFTs and Crypto to be bigger risks than the worst percentage games at the casino but I wouldn’t spend my time putting people down for it. I’ve been a day trader, a margin trader on the sharemarkets at different time over the years and trying to speculate on these commodities is no different to the casino. In fact worse because the I vestments need a far greater outlay than a visit to the casino to make the sort of return an investor desires to satisfy their particular strategy which is usually to get a quick return for little effort. It’s never that simple. Hell people used to spend thousands on commemorative pay phone telephone cards. Now THAT was crazy too but they chased and chased until nobody cared anymore. The reason was because the cards had almost no intrinsic value which is how I regard crypto and NFTs.

      • +7

        Dude this sum it up, you are a gambler whether it at the casino are in the stock market, it wont end well doesn't matter where you go or what system you got
        a gambler always end up losing in the end, you may have few lucky breaks but you will end up in tears the longer it goes on
        speculating in share and commodity market is gambling

        you are justified your gambling and speculating nature, put $300 a week and DRP in the market index and in 15 years it like you win big at the casino without doing anything, in those free time sit on the beach it better for your health, you get vitamin D and salty air is good for your health as well

      • OP I feel bad for you. Please I beg you seek help, I'm not trolling.

        (Some) Cryptocurrencies and NFTs have utility, some are scams, some are driven by value eg. BAT and some are pure speculation eg. doge coin.

        Investing or Trading based on Value/Speculation etc is very difficult and human behavior is extremely hard to predict.

        Casinos are probability based, they are random. There is nothing there but a glorified random number generator.

        There is one exception, if you can count cards, play long enough, don't get kicked out (not sure how this is allowed) and have enough funds then turns out this is actually a strategy.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_counting

        Note they talk a lot about Mathematicians, counting cards is very hard.

        Roulette is pure probability.

        OP have you beaten the ASX200 (after tax) over the time you have been gambling? If not your method sucks.

      • I have no interest in crypto but they are different. Where crypto will be in 5 years time is 100% speculation. If you play roulette every day for 5 years you will be without a doubt running a loss because the house has a higher probability of winning every game you play.

        All that aside, day trading, crypto, casino, it is all gambling. If it is excessive in the amount you spend relative to your income and living expenses your best "bet" is to seek professional help to address addiction……or not and lose even more money in a divorce if/when you get married

      • Speculation is wildly different to a fixed odds game, where the odds are against you.

      • like it or hate, Crypto at least has a chance of long term gains (personally I don't like it). Your gambling addiction is just a recipe for disaster. If you like to gamble and restrain yourself well then good for you, but please don't try to sell your dodgy system that tries to beat math.

  • Gidday mate. My casino roulette ‘strategy’ is to find a table with only one zero (ie. not 0 and 00) and then put one chip on two of the ‘twelves’ bets which pays 3 to 1. So I would put a chip on 1-12, then 13-24 which covers almost 2/3 of board. So two chips bet for three chips gain. The strategy is a dud however if house spins the twelve numbers you didn’t bet on or a zero.

    • +1

      that is pretty much guarantied long term loss, Roulette is designed to ensure you never have a payout advantage over the house. In your example long term you will bleed money. The only way to beat a roulette table is to cheat or not play.

  • I think there could be a way to exploit croupiers tendencies in roulette, but the effort required would be pretty massive. You would need to collect a lot of data on each roulette croupier and then try and determine if there is any relationship between the starting point of the ball on the wheel and what section of the wheel it ends up in. If the wheel is moving at a constant speed and a certain croupier spins the ball consistently at the same speed each time then in theory it could be possible to try and predict which section of the wheel is more likely for the ball to land on, based on the release point of the ball.

    • -3

      The casinos have already thought of this. The croupier is supposed to spin the ball from the spot where the last winning number was so it is always from a different position relative to the wheel.

      • +2

        It doesn't matter if he always starts it from a different section.

        You have now removed all doubt about whether or not you are a professional roulette player.

  • +9

    This is the most idiotic thread I've ever read. OP doesn't understand math or is a gambling addict. L

    • Clearly you need to read more threads. I’ve seen many more idiotic ones. If you don’t like a thread just don’t participate. Do they intimidate you in some way? If so why? I find this pattern of behaviour fascinating.

      • +7

        I rarely reply on forums, the reason I did on this one is to continue to reinforce what most of the other responses have been i.e. it's delusional to think you can beat the casino at roulette. So that it hopefully turns off anyone who may be susceptible to this lie.

        Gambling for fun and in control is a choice and completely reasonable and can be fun.

        Gambling to win in a game like roulette against the casino where it is a game of chance is foolish.

        Any system or small potential for player edge has already been thought of and managed out by the casino e.g. Tables are switched/adjusted often, croupiers are changed, bet limits are imposed

  • -4

    Thanks OP - great thread and reminded me of being told when I was 18 there was a sure thing at Adelaide casino if you had discipline and played only Two Up back then. It was the Martingale system basically and you only won $50 a night if you followed it with discipline and walked out. Of course the casinos changed rules and set table limits as a result.

    But by triggering my memory on it in this thread it posed a simple question in my mind that I had not considered. Suppose you have a strong bank roll and discipline…. Could you not use the Martingale system successfully by simply moving from lower limit tables to higher limit tables when your maximum doubling amount was exhausted on the lower table?

    I forget how many times you need to be able to double your bet when you lose and how much bank you would have to have to guarantee success but it seems to me it might be possible if you can bypass the single table limit by switching to a table with higher limits if you need to. I am probably wrong.

    • Or you could just start at the table with higher limits and stay there. The limit can still kick in and you lose thousands

    • +3

      You will eventually either run out of money or hit the limit on every table in the casino. Even with 50% odds of doubling your money (you will never get this at a casino) you're going to lose 10 times in a row every 1024 spins, no matter how you play.

      Bet $5 - lose
      Bet $10 - lose
      Bet $20, $40, $80, $160, $320, $640, $1280, $2560, lose again.

      Your next bet is $5120. To recover the lost money and win $5. Feeling lucky? Time to find the high rollers wheel. You've just spend $5115 trying to double $5.

      There's a reason why the Martingale system has been around since the 19th century, and casinos continue to be open and highly profitable. Your wins are linear but the losses are exponential. That's a dangerous combination.

    • table limits even on high end tables mean eventually you will lose everything with that strategy. doubly each time very very quickly becomes unaffordable and you are risking huge sums in order to get back to even.

    • -1

      Following the martingale system is not the way to go. A more variable style is better and much safer without as much temptation to keep adding funds. I used to Martingale on horse racing when I was younger. I had some good wins but eventually I just got scared of the amount I was betting and stopped cold and never checked whether that next bet would have pulled me out. Over all I did better than you’d expect because I bet I. Bets of the day or favourites so the gap wasn’t too big between wins but is was NOT the fun I thought it would be. So nobody should consider that endless escalation of bets in the hope of eventually getting the win because sooner or later you won’t and the losses like that can never be made up.

  • It appears there are many skeptical people here and MontyMacaw is fighting an uphill battle to convince anyone he has a system to beat the game of roulette. Not just 'play slowly, enjoy it, and don't get wrecked'. Anyone can do that. But a system where you can play every day of the week and come out ahead.

    I suggest MontyMacaw returns to the roulette wheel to continue earning his income. Best way to prove the skeptics wrong. Time spent posting here is time Monty could be using to play another spin!

    • +3

      Some of us are not skeptics but actual dealers and ex-dealers. I dealt and supervised roulette for 8 years, I have seen every system played out and the same people who have their "top secret" system are the same ones with no money telling me "any time now it will pay out" and it never does. Roulette is quite possibly one of the most mathematical perfect games ever invented for gambling.

      If there was a system that worked, it would be public knowledge, no one would go to work and would just sit at roulette tables all day makIng bank.

      The other reason it doesn't work is because if there was something that broke the laws of mathematics, the casino would change the rules of the game to bring the house edge back into its favour.

      People who tell you they have a "system" and theirs is different because theirs "actually works" is losing money and trying to convince themselves and butter up confirmation bias in others.

      The only way to win at roulette over the long term is to not play. If OP is always winning, they are either on a very good luck streak, or they are tell you because they can't admit losing to themselves and they need to seek help for their addiction.

      • +1

        I've watched a lot of roulette, and it also seems to me that each wheel is surrounded by Nostradamasus, because when they bet on black and red comes up, you'll often hear 'I knew that was going to happen!'. Eh, genius, if you knew that, why didn't you bet on red?

        People fool themselves into thinking they can beat roulette because while the game is basically perfect and always in favour of the casino, players can vary their bets. This lulls players into the fantasy that they can bet less on losing spins and more on the winning ones, or just catch up with extra bets on the better spins. This is of course, delusional if people truly believe it.

        • -1

          This is very true of a lot of people at tables. They are usually too scared to put that bet on and then beat themselves up for not doing it after the fact. If they went through with every thought their losses would be huge.

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