Why why why….why why…. Why? Oh why? 10 words… Why?
Why Do Slow Drivers Drive in The Right Lane?
bingsta on 23/01/2022 - 12:52
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- 326Old fogers on the road with no insight
- 105Vigilantes trying to prevent speeding
- 20Americans have taken over Australia
- 19Australians who can't go to the US due to covid pretending they are in the US
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Correct an error on my behalf in typing. It was meant to be 80+ (not that you get many 81 zones)
@RockyRaccoon: The only reason I pointed it out was because there was a discussion similar to this one some time ago where people argued that it is the rule on 80 roads too and when the rule was pointed out to them, they went on the defensive saying that the rule must ideally be applied to 80 roads too just because THEY thought so.
Now imagine these people driving on the roads thinking that they are right just because.
@notfrodo: There are roads in Victoria that have both 80 speed signs AND Keep LEFT Unless Overtaking signs together. Stud Rd for example.
@Hangryuman: Yes I already said that was wrong. I mentioned that in my next post agreeing with notfrodo.
I guess I will have to go into the naughty corner until someone realises I am TRULY sorry for my error and promise never to mistype things again. 😀
Unfortunately I cannot edit the post.
@RockyRaccoon: It should I guess say >80 (given there are sometime rare 85 zones,
Anyway I guess I should in the future use the legal descriptions rather than my own
Namely
on multi-lane roads with a speed limit of more than 80km/h, motorists must not drive in the right-hand lane
@RockyRaccoon: Issue was your correction still gave the impression that it included 80km/h roads. There is an important difference between over 80 (>80) and 80+ (>=80).
Lol what does European descent have to do with anything
i think you over estimate the amount of people who grew up in australia and learned to drive in australia who really care about arbitrary road rules… that isnt even enforced
@tonyjzx: Not very well, go for a drive around Cabramatta, Fairfield and you tell me their driving is great. Absolutely terrible, sickening.
And that is apparently more advanced then their non-raised Australian counterparts. Dreadful.
Are you under the impression that the majority of minorites driving here came from mud huts, and rice fields?
What does ‘European descent’ have to do with growing up with the road rules in Australia?
How are the road rules and culture in Italy for example meant to help drivers in Australia?
Bruh, you can't even english. You sure you from around these parts?
Gotta push those white supremacy feels you know.
so edgyyyyyyyyyyy wowowowow btw it's they're
FYI.
Now in the penalty box.Pretty obvious Troll
Which European culture spells "they're" as "their" and "descent" as "decent"?
Culture, 99% of the time their not European decent
LOL… how to tell people you're a racist without saying you're a racist.
Anyway, It's clear to see you have not driven in Europe nor Asia for that matter. With spelling like that I'm betting your vast experience extends to Bali or Thailand. Ive driven in Malaysia and Singapore and would easily put Singapore above Melbourne or Sydney and Malaysia on about par with those. Ive been to Japan and been in cars, but never driven there myself, and nothing compares to Japan. It is like a well oiled, polite experience.
I've had friends come back from the UK, France, Italy and Spain and suffer from PTSD from trying to drive in these countries. I've also watched enough Russian dash cam videos to know that being European doesn't make you a good driver by merely being born white.
How do you tell whether they are European, Australian or some other descent? Do you check their birth certificates and the citizenship of their parents?
Some people have those white oval Euro stickers on the back window while Aussies will have an RM Williams longhorn bull logo.
pretty obvious
if you see the driver has yellow skin then…
funnily enough i used to be a field engineer cisco hpe ibm gsa type donkey who drove from strathfield to liverpool fairfield etc.
few times down to casula campbelltown etc.
i never seemed to discern that much difference from drivers of all skin colours, not that i was looking out in particular…. they were just drivers i guess with the same mediocre but not hugely notable standard
where i normally was up to hornsby epping and especially eastwood they're all the same
As an aside, why do slow drivers drive in the left lane also?
lol where do you want them to drive?
Offroad
As a passenger in the bus.
If you want to drive slow should you not just take the non highway route?
You do know the speed limit still exists in the right lane as well? Because you want to do 120km/h and they are only doing 110km/h, doesn't mean they should have to speed up for you.
Also, as tony says above, if it's 80km/h or under, you can drive in whatever lane you like.
No, 80 or under is right. You're only required to keep left if the speed limit is over 80.
@capslock janitor: Technically, for keeping left it's over 80km/h zones ie: 90km/h, 100km/h and 110km/h (at least in NSW.)
What tony should have said was 80 or under (as we dont have many 83km/h road signs)
130 Keeping to the left on a multi-lane road
(1) This rule applies to a driver driving on a multi-lane road if—
(a) the speed limit applying to the driver for the length of road where the driver is driving is over 80 kilometres per hour, or
(b) a keep left unless overtaking sign applies to the length of road where the driver is driving.
If you’re doing 110km/h in the right lane and not passing anyone you’re also breaking the law. Or do you just pick and choose which ones you want to follow?
Didn’t say I wasn’t passing anyone, or mention any reason for being in the right lane, just that if you are in the right lane (and let’s hope, for the right reason), you can’t consider someone to be in your way if they are adhering to the speed limit.
But you just keep on making assumptions there, champ. Just read whatever you want into it if it helps stoke your road rage agenda.
But it’s ok to assume that people who have a problem with right lane hogs are speeding haha.
@Lou Sarsol: Yes, because the caveat here is, as it was said, was “at the speed limit”. If you are doing 110 and they are doing 110, there would be no issue. If both cars are travelling the same speed, there is no reason to be all road ragey.
If someone is in front of you and they are travelling “at the speed limit” and you are frustrated by them and want them to move over, it’s because you want to “go faster than them”, ergo, you want to travel in excess of the posted speed limit.
Travelling over the posted speed limit and bullying other road users to push them to the excess speed you want to be going and getting frustrated when they won’t exceed the speed limit is a you problem. Not a a them problem.
@pegaxs: But you cannot deny the numerous miss daisies that sit on the passing lane barely doing 85 on a 100 road. I see at least two to may be 5 each time I go to a friend's place that's 20ks away. It makes me wonder how they got their license.
But you cannot deny the numerous miss daisies…
Irrelevant. It is not what I was talking about. I was making reference to people "at" the limit, not over or under.
sit on the passing lane barely doing 85 on a 100…. each time I go to a friend's place that's 20ks away.
Let's just see how much inconvenience you get from this 20km trip. For the ease of math, we will consider the whole trip is on a freeway from your front door to theirs and your car instantly accelerates and decelerates in 0 seconds…
If you average 100km/h for the whole trip, it would take you, 11m59s
If you averaged 85km/h for the whole trip, it would be, 14m07s
Your trip would take 2m08s more IF you were stuck the whole time behind this "Miss Daisy". The truth of it is though that it's more likely that you got stuck for 3 or 4 km total out of your 20km trip and maybe behind 2 or 3 drivers. So, your average would be somewhere closer to 90~95km/h, making the trip 38sec. to 1m21s longer. This is less time than an average time a set of traffic lights remains red.
@pegaxs: Irrelevant as you say. No one mentioned the time delay.
The irony though is another story. You find reasons to justify to yourself that it’s not a problem to sit in the right lane but thats not for you to decide and it’s still illegal. Keep left unless overtaking, it’s really simple stuff.
Irrelevant… No one mentioned the time delay.
It's totally relevant. The whole crux here is that the whiny right hand lane elitis'ts biggest complaint is that they are being "held up" and not allowed to speed or are being held up from doing at least the speed limit. Math is provided to show just how "inconvenienced" they are by that slower driver.
You find reasons to justify to yourself
I'm not justifying anything as I have made no statement as to where I like to drive, be it in the left OR the right.You're just making an assumption. I am just pointing out to the bleeding heart crew, that even if a car does get in their precious right lane, even over a 20km trip on a freeway at 15km/h below the limit, it only adds 2m08s.
thats not for you to decide
Didn't say it was my job to decide anything.
and it’s still illegal.
And it's not illegal to travel in the right hand lane if the road is signposted as 80km/h or less and there are no "keep left" signs posted either or if I am overtaking another vehicle.
And you know what else is illegal? It's tailgating, exceeding the speed limit and road rage. All of that over adding 20 seconds to your trip. Gotta be a tiny violin around here somewhere…
And it's not illegal to travel in the right hand lane if the road is signposted as 80km/h or
In this case I specifically told it was the freeway and the speed limit is 100kph. It is illegal for those nimrods to sit on the passing lane at 85kph forever on a freeway.
It's tailgating, exceeding the speed limit and road rage.
Irrelevant. Nobody here is recommending tailgating, exceeding the speed limit or anything else you've mentioned.
Maybe they're clocking their speed using a GPS so doing an actual 110km/hr. Which may be judged like 118km/hr to someone going by their apparent speed based on their vehicle speedo.
Our car speedo is out by 8km/hr at 110km/hr compared to two different GPS measures sampled over about 5 minutes.
As for the 80 thing, I figured everyone knew that was a free-for-all.
There's the "you must be speeding" defence again.
Defensive and irrelevant.
How about we ALL concentrate on OUR driving on the road and stop the finger pointing?
If you're not overtaking, don't sit in the right lane. Simple.
If you're not overtaking, don't sit in the right lane. Simple.
Exactly!
Because Right is "Right" and us Lefties are sinister.
And least they’re not in the wrong lane.
Are they going slow? Sometimes I’m doing 120km/hr+ and overtaking and there’s still some (profanity) tailgating me. This is a more common scenario on the M1 in QLD than someone genuinely going slow in the right lane (granted it does happen though)
I always found Queenslanders have an aversion to speeding so the right lane of the M1 was people doing 1-2 km/h over the speed limit and overtaking at an absolutely glacial pace
I assume you're saying that's a good thing…
Is the speed limit of the right lane different from the rest of the road?
Years ago, QLD introduced new digital speed cameras that have an error margin of only 1-2km/h and M1 is the most obvious road for Police to target.
If you're genuinely overtaking then the person tailgating you is an idiot you can safely ignore :)
Yes, I was taught not to worry about the person behind - they should have woken up earlier.
I find the exact opposite. I struggle to maintain a steady 110 km/h on the M1 because there's always some tool plonked in the right lane doing 100 km/h or less, and then their mate lane 3 doing 97. Lanes 1 & 2 are always full of trucks so not really a good option either. Sure, you get the occasional crazy speedster, but the idiots doing 10 km/h below the limit in the fast lane are far more common in my experience.
I see you’re in Logan, that’s probably the difference, it’s mostly the north bound from GC to Logan that the hooning/tailgating/high speed traffic weaving happens. Used to happen all the time when I wad commuting to Bris anywhere from 5-10am. The run from logan to Bris then slows significantly. Heading south from logan to GC, yep, it’s much slower and often very stop start, which is pretty dangerous in a different way. I don’t miss using the M1 as much as I used to. Last time I was driving for work I had to avoid a fallen ladder, I feel like every time I’m travelling any distance on that road something happens.
Is slow below the speed limit?
Is slow on the speed limit?
Is slow slower than you, but still going at the speed limit?All good questions. I'm not the OP, but I still have the same complaint. If they're doing the speed limit, I'm all good. Usually when I notice a slow driver is when they're doing 15-30k under the limit. It's doubly annoying when there are anothers doing the same 15-30k under in all the other lanes so you can't go around them.
I'm often seeing a few stretches of a four-lane highway where the cars are driving 15-30k under in the right two lanes where the left two lanes are empty or have the occasional truck undertaking everyone.
Such is life I suppose.
Slower than 5km/h under the posted limit (true speed not indicated, so probably indicated 1-3 km/h under in most cars)
Sounds like you need to read up on how accurate speedo's are and which way they are out in the vast majority of cases.
Mine is around 2km/h over-reading at 100km/h, so if I'm travelling no slower than 95 true speed, I will be reading no less than 97. Apparently other people complain of theirs being much worse but should adjust accordingly.
Funnily enough, I set my cruise to 102
Doesn't matter - why does this always turn into a speed debate?
If you're overtaking you have every right to be in the right hand lane but please move to the left if you're not.
The police will disagree and fine you if you are speeding while overtaking.
As they have every right to do when you are in the right hand lane and not overtaking.
Same rule book Andy.
I never said anything about ACTUALLY speeding BTW I just said everyone seems to be going defensive and assuming all right hand lane drivers are speeders - this is simply fiction.
lol are you OP's stalker??
People who drive in the right lane on a freeway while NOT overtaking are breaking the law, slowing traffic flow, and they cause frustration and potential accidents. A public education campaign and police blitz on offenders is long overdue. In the UK drivers stay left much more consistently because they are much more likely to get fined when they break this law.
I agree, but I tend to overtake on, or just 1 or 2 km/h above the speed limit, which is what the law says (actually law is much more stringent in that you're supposed to still stick to the speed limit).
Then, you get the morons roaring up behind you, wanting to go 10 over, and tailgating, and I'm like, "I'm in the process of overtaking. No amount of tailgating will cause me to speed up more as I'm already at the limit. I won't move left and hit the car beside me just to let you pass. If you hit me, my insurance will run after you for all you're worth, so either wait and chill, or slow down and move to another lane."
They can blow their gasket or have a stroke for all I care. Would end up with fewer morons anyway.
If you're only going 1 or 2kmphr more than the car you're overtaking and taking forever, you might as well stay behind them.
You're this close to getting it
And if you are traveling at the speed limit following a car doing the speed limit that is over taking a car traveling at just below the speed limit, then what's the issue?? You know, unless of course you want to do more than the speed limit, where in if that is the case, that is more of a "you" problem, not the over taken car's problem. :)
And if you are traveling at the speed limit
If only those people were actually doing the real speed limit, and not following the less than accurate speedo.
If its taking you like 10mins to overtake, are you really really overtaking LOL.@Ughhh: Why is it all the road ragers in this thread have these super super accurate speedos and everyone else has horribly inaccurate speedos? (I've lost count of all the "They think they are going 100 but are actually doing 83" comments)
It seems that 95%+ of the people frustrated by cars in the right lane are not frustrated because they are at the speed limit, but by the sheer virtue that these cars are not willing to exceed the speed limit in the right lane.
You said that if someone is only going 1~2km/h faster than the car they am overtaking, then they shouldn't pass. Why? They too are stuck behind a slow moving car and have every right to travel at or up to the speed limit as well.
And in my comment I said "at the speed limit", so it shouldn't matter if it takes someone 1 min or 28 mins to overtake another car if they are "at" the speed limit. The problem only arises when the car following wants to be doing more than the speed limit.
To give you an idea, math wise, in a 100km zone, if you were doing 90km/h, it would take you 4 extra seconds to go 1km than if you were doing exactly 100. At that rate, your "10 mins to overtake" at 90km/h would still be 9 mins at 100km/h (or a distance of 15km to overtake) a saving of 1min over 15 km of travel.
To put it into realistic terms, you are likely to lose more time stuck at a single red light (1~2 mins) then you are to lose traveling behind a car at 10km/h under the speed 100km/h limit for a distance of 5km (20 seconds), 10km (40 seconds) or even 15km (1 min).
People are frustrated at being stuck behind a slower driver because they cant perceive time correctly. They are all road ragey because they perceive the whole time (maybe 5 mins) stuck behind the slower driver as wasted, when in fact, if there was no cars there at all, that trip will still have taken them 4m40s anyway.
ITT: People getting bent out of shape over possibly gaining about 20 seconds on their commute who cant "math".
It seems that 95%+ of the people frustrated by cars in the right lane are not frustrated because they are at the speed limit, but by the sheer virtue that these cars are not willing to exceed the speed limit in the right lane.
This is of course it. Even if you're using Waze to monitor speed, and doing 102km/h in the right lane, 'slowly' overtaking another car, these people will say MOVE OVER ROAD HOG SO I CAN PASS YOU @ 115km/h.. places to go, people to see ;)
@bohn: This coupled with the 5 mins they are stuck behind that driver and acting as if that total 5 mins were a write off, not that the same trip, sans sunday grandma driver, would still take them 4m50s.
So their actual lost time for the inconvenience is closer to 10~20 seconds, not the 5 mins they are crying about.
And it doesn't matter about your speed as the "get out of my way" cry babies will consider anything under the speed they want to be doing as "too slow" regardless of if it is the speed limit or not.
You said that if someone is only going 1~2km/h faster than the car they am overtaking, then they shouldn't pass. Why? They too are stuck behind a slow moving car and have every right to travel at or up to the speed limit as well.
How much time do you save by going 1-2kmpr faster to 'overtake', while (depending on situation) potentially putting yourself in danger by getting in front of what you deem to be a dangerous driver?
Just stay on the left lane or get out of bed a little earlier?How much time do you save by going 1-2kmpr faster to 'overtake'
Irrelevant. If I am stuck behind a car doing 98km/h in a 100km/h zone, I am entitled to overtake that car, providing I do not exceed the limit while I am doing it. And as you should be doing the same as the speed limit, me doing the speed limit to pass a car at 98km/h should not bother you because we are doing the same speed… Unless of course you want to exceed the speed limit and my being at the speed limit hinders you.
So no, just as you are entitled to overtake the car doing 98, so to am I. Just because you want to do it at 115km/h and I only want to do it at 100 in a 100km/h zone, doesn't give you any more rights to be in the right lane as me.
@Ughhh: Yes. Even if it's taking you 10 minutes to complete an overtaking maneuver, you are still overtaking, as long as you're moving even 0.001 km/h faster than the car you are overtaking.
Moreover, that 10 minutes you're saying is an exaggeration, but I'm sure 30 seconds of extra time at the speed limit feels like 10 minutes to a moron who wants to go 20 over.
Half the time people speed right up to the speed limit when someone is overtaking them, as if they've been insulted by the very idea of it, so you've just got to inch passed them
What about 3 or 4kmph more than the car you're overtaking?
Nah, I'm going to stick to what I'm doing. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter though ;)
@jatyap: Np, doesn't affect me or anyone else if you get tailgated and run into some crazy person. No one here would know or care.
Nothing wrong with overtaking at the speed limit but only 1 or 2km faster than the car you are overtaking.
The lane is there to be used - traffic flows better when all lanes are used.
There is often this argument for you to just sit behind that slower car to allow even faster cars past. Basically, "step aside so I can break the law".
That's nobodies problem but the person who wants to speed - for many common curtesy doesn't extend to enabling law breaking.That's nobodies problem but the person who wants to speed
It can be your problem if you come across some crazy angry driver.
It just seems pointless for the amount of time saved. (Btw Im talking about high speed roads, where the right lane is there for overtaking, not just 'to be used' for other reasons. )
common curtesy doesn't extend to enabling law breaking.
Just remember that you are not the police. You won't be getting any recognition for being a hero, no one cares. Being right is useless if youre dead or a vegetable.
@Ughhh: Not trying to be the police… But not going to put ourselves in danger just so someone who wants to break the law can speed.
@jatyap: Sorry but what's more dangerous… Doing 10kmh over the speed limit to pass some one within 10-15 sec or sitting in their blindspot for 2 minutes whilst you overtake at a 1kmh speed differential?
@Brick Tamland: Speeding, and even more so if there are other cars on the road (apart from the both of you) is more dangerous, and more likely to cause casualty. There are studies that indicate the risk of casualty increases with a corresponding increase in speed.
Sitting in the blind spot only becomes dangerous if you make the assumption that the other driver is always a moron (which we know not everybody is). Moreover, if you calculate the length of a car against the amount of time it would take to overtake them going 1km/h faster, you will probably realize that the actual time required is a lot less than that.
- They are intending to turn right 30km before turn off.
- Trying to find the next turn off.
- Arrogant affluent SUV driver's.
- Just don't care and like to cruise along at their own pace chatting with thier friends in the car.
What they don't understand is that by not driving at the speed limit unless the road conditions aren't safe holds up the flow of traffic in any lane. So many times on Nepean Hwy Vic cars drive at 10 to 15km below the 80 speed limit and traffic flow just banks up behind them. These drivers are totally unaware of the frustration they atre causing.
Also the (profanity) doesn't anyone know what sirens snd flashing lights mean in their rear vision mirrors. Get out of the way especially if in right hand lane. Divers in lane next to it let the other cars in. Every second may count for someone to get to a hospital in an ambulance. Mind you alot of them do just put the siren on to get the ass RH lane cars out of the way as they need to get to their drive through MickyDs. Still it's nit hard just to stay out of the right lane if you don't need to be in there. Feel for OPs pain on this one.
yeah no ambulance driver puts lights on to go to a fast food place.
Plus the diary/log entry explaining the recorded use of such devices would probably take longer that the time saved. Still, I guess Ambos don't have much on at the moment…
my goal in life is to drive slow in front of you
i'm watching
big bother is watching
skynet is watchingProbably the same reason people drive 10-20k over teh speed limit and get upset when you're doing the limit.
If you’re doing the limit and passing someone that’s fine, if not you shouldn’t be there anyway.
The problem with driving in the Right Lane in a one-way Street is the Pedestrians on the Foot Path.
In Vic it is over 80 and NOT 80 and over. This is a crucial difference that a lot of people who claim to know the road rules and get pissed at people dont seem to understand.