Hey guys, just saw this in Centrecom's "Summer Blitz" sale, seems a fantastic price!
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HP OMEN X 25f 240Hz 24.5" FHD FreeSync Gaming Monitor $369 Delivered @ Centre Com
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Ltenaciousliam on 15/02/2022 - 14:56 centrecom.com.au (372 clicks)
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TN Panel gross.
You could pick this up instead (24.5", IPS, 240hz, long wait time though)
https://www.dell.com/en-au/shop/dell-25-gaming-monitor-s2522…
The HP is one of the best 240Hz panels in Australia today, and the others are VA.
IPS is not king for motion blur, contrast or black/near-black performance… it's king for colour consistency if you have the professional use case for it, and the best LCD for viewing angles in a way that isn't really a factor for a primary monitor.
You can learn more about how LCD response time testing was flawed and let IPS seem decent in table results for a long time here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbZUgKpzTA0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zmxl-BtpgkHere is a table that shows you how a bunch of 240Hz+ monitors perform in actual visual testing: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/table/76868
And here's a screenshot of the the actual test image.
Finally, here's the capture for the OMEN X 25f.
Tell me, which of these technologies is nailing the motion performance of the test image?
I personally find TN panels disgusting, but you're not wrong, when it comes to the best performance for competitive gaming the TN panels are going to come out ahead.
I posted the Dell as an IPS alternative.
From the top 10 panels, 8 are ips? I wonder how noticeable this is in game.
It's sorted by RTing's scoring system, but look at the motion pursuit photography and the additional samples I've posted. Their ratings system, and the measurement methodology behind it is heavily flawed.
And it's extremely noticeable. IPS tech is such that anything remotely bright will have this powdered look to it as the crystal matrix tries to close off as best it can, and similarly black (RGB value 0) will have a glow to it (IPS glow, not to be confused with backlight bleed).
240Hz IPS behaves the least like a 240Hz monitor should at present, and 360Hz IPS barely behaves like a 240-300Hz monitor.
At 144-165Hz, IPS is workable by today's standards, and the powdered trail usually isn't too far out of step, but you also have some nice 144-165Hz VA options now, such as the Dell 2722DGM.
@jasswolf: Interesting read, there's so many hidden specs when it comes to monitors. Personally I was going to wait for the next dell s2721dgf deal. I know it's probably not the best for gaming but when it comes to hybrid gaming/content creation I really can't see VA or TN as viable, even when calibrated.
@Jenny Death: That's true, but someone in that position would be operating multiple monitors, and then there's QD-OLED (Samsung) and WOLED (LG) to now consider.
Future technologies will be QNED and microLED.
@Jenny Death: I mean it's already in the wild, it's just very slowly manufactured at monitor/display scale. So far its most viable use cases are for AR/VR glasses and watch faces.
QNED - not to be confused with LG's marketing term - is shaping like the viable next step, and will evolve from QD-OLED.
Here's a comparison if you really want to drill down, but there's a diagram that makes it very clear: https://www.displaysupplychain.com/blog/are-quantum-nano-emi…
Effectively the blue OLED layer in Samsung's QD-OLED design will be replaced with blue nanorod LEDs, bringing 8K into the mainstream, and kicking off the 16K era.
I wonder how noticeable this is in game.
It's like a needle in a haystack, without tools like a high speed camera and analyzing frame by frame it shouldn't be noticeable in real world usage until you drop further down the charts.
@BROKENKEYBOARD: I always enjoy you jumping in to naysay without evidence or even something remotely anecdotal. People aren't working to 1000Hz and beyond just to hit a higher number.
The camera - which has a relative parity to the human eye - and its track are designed to highlight why people have the motion blur experience they do with a given panel.
It moves from one side to the other to track a moving image to determine what's happening.
I always enjoy you jumping in to naysay without evidence or even something remotely anecdotal
I'd love to see your evidence where other people agree that the lag difference between the top monitors is "extremely noticeable".
@BROKENKEYBOARD: Ah, but you've shifted the goal posts and demanded not evidence from me when you've provided zero… this isn't an issue of system or input latency, nor is it about reaction times: it's one of smoothness and the resemblance of natural motion, and how the human eye functions.
Improved motion blur that moves commensurately with refresh rate improves one's ability to anticipate. Optimal response time is all measurements less than half that of the refresh interval.
If you'd clicked through on the first two videos I offered, you'd already have some of your answer.
@jasswolf: Asking for evidence because what you suggest sounds like an exaggeration. In real world usage the difference in lag or motion blur or response time or whatever you want to call it can be close to negligible provided you're not comparing with older IPS monitors. Hardwareunboxed has done many reviews on the newer IPS monitors that would support what I've said.
@BROKENKEYBOARD: They still use the same pursuit capture technique for visual analysis, so no, they haven't.
You'd see it yourself in a side-by-side using the screens too. IPS is a crappy trade-off for gaming and content.
The point I will grant you is that leaping forwards in 120Hz intervals is going to have diminishing visible returns.. as it is, moving beyond 240Hz is more about peripheral vision, though that's still highly applicable for viewing a desktop monitor as central vision is very narrow.
They still use the same pursuit capture technique for visual analysis, so no, they haven't.
They would also still be physically using the monitors to have a real world experience. If all these issues are so "extremely noticeable" that "IPS is a crappy trade-off for gaming and content" then how come it's so difficult to find any review be as critical of IPS as you?
Most of them make sizeable money off revenue links, and many of them do get free samples in order to afford to be able to test. RTings is one of the exceptions in terms of samples, but they create a user experience that people enjoy because it ultimately gets simplified right down to green, amber and red. YouTubers make money off getting people to watch their videos, so they tend to soften the blow when something is at least hitting the common standard.
You still didn't click the first video, did you…
That's enough for me: as you were.
So what you're saying is if a reviewer speaks positively about an IPS monitor it means they're either misinformed or just doing it for the money?
A video that's almost 2 years old and from a channel that has pretty positive reviews on some IPS monitors? And personally uses IPS monitors?
IPS is best of both worlds. I also can't stand TN.
Free Sync Monitor is not free?