Good price for a PCI-E 4.0 drive with the heat sink. Non heatsink one is at similar price. Amazon AU is doing free delivery for international order but not sure if it is sitewide?
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There is a non heatsink version for less $1 more in the same page. Even better deal with Amazon gift card.
I wonder if you could just buy the heatsink version and remove it yourself…
Save $1 and get a free heatsink :)
It depends on if they have the warranty stick on the heatsink.
Keep the heatsink but find the clearance, then get to work with an angle grinder.
Keen to get the non-heat sink version for PS5. Any recommendation on a proper sized heat sink?
There is a non heatsink version for less $1 more in the same page.
Thanks, I did see that however I’m not sure which would heat sink would suit the PS5
@BennyHe2018: delivery between March and May though. If you need to upgrade the PS5's storage, that's a long time to waiting. My PS5 HD is already full. Juggling already what games to delete and keep lol
nah just get the heatsink version and take to your ps5 shell with a dremel
Just leave it off, ps5 shell is ugly and hurts its cooling as it is
Completely the opposite
Literal Speed Holes LOL
Is that a train? lol
School Bus LOL.
for a sec , I saw the same.. :)
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What is the fin efficiency of this heatsink?
No idea mate but pretty sure many of us want to trim the heatsink height down since it is an overkill.
Yep. I've been eyeing a 2TB SSD for my build but I need the ssd+heatsink to be below 12mm. I have a Patriot one and it won't fit.
No idea…but if i know anything about product design & marketing…This ones definitely just trying to LOOK like a beefy beast of an SSD, to make the unsavy consumer think bigger and chonkier means better performance.
don't get me wrong, the heatsink will likely perform better than having no heatsink, but won't nescessarily perform better than other more conventional designs out there.
it's more about making you think. WHOOOAH look how big that heatsink is! it must be a tank of an SSD!
Did a double take to make sure it wasnt a holo scope
Would have been a pretty good price if so.
So this is a no go for ps5
You can grab the non heatsink one and purchase a flat heat sink somewhere else.
I have no clue about heat sinks can you recommend me one plz I want it to fit my ps5
I use this one from amazon choice , fit PS5
https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B07TX6SQZX/ref=ppx_yo_d…
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Gigabyte-AORUS-2TB-M-2-NVMe-SSD-…
For $30 more this includes a heat sink.
Use code snsave
This item is slower than above item and is slower meaning it does not meet minimum PS5 requirement.
It does meet the ps5 requirements I own one. And it is the same speed as the above item
@maverickjohn: Not according to the item specs on the page. This Gigabyte AORUS states 5000mb read, 4400 write. The PNY is 5600mb read, 4300mb write. PS5 minimum requirement is 5500mb read https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps5-insta… so while you may have a working one now there is no guarantee yours will be fully compatible in the future as it does not meet the official Sony specified minimum requirement.
@User50301: Incorrect.
5500 read is the "recommended", not minumum. The minimum is PCI-Express Gen4, and a lot of tests have already tried running slower 3900 rated drives that worked without issues (even with Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart, most IO-intensive game so far): https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/4/22608153/ps5-ssd-speed-tes…
I have the Aorus Copper drive and the PS5 actually benchmarks it as 5600 read speed, so as far as the PS5 is concerned, it even meets the recommendation.
@animasoIa: I already provided the official Sony document in above comment where details are clearly stated. It clearly states "5,500MB/s or faster is recommended" therefore 5500mb is the minimum speed.
@maverickjohn: PS5 is renown for showing incorrect speed test. Another example of a brand ssd showing incorrect speeds on the PS5 is the Samsung 980 pro without new pc firmware update shows around 5600mb and it is a 7000mb rated ssd. Also the Gigabyte AORUS manufacture themselves don't even state that version of their ssd are the speed you claim on the spec page advertised of that model and they should know since they make it.
@User50301: I don't know how many times I need to prove this to you.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thefpsreview.com/2021/09/08…
Please stop spreading misinformation
@maverickjohn: Lets see what you shared: "5,500MB/s or faster is recommended"
Literally says recommended but you say its minimum? Ok, lol. And funny how you keep pointing to Sony documentation yet you refute the PS5 speed test as being "incorrect".
If it is indeed incorrect, do any of those other requirements matter then? And real world usage proves it runs without issues, so keep telling yourself we're wrong while we enjoy it with our PS5.
@animasoIa: If the Official Sony information states "5,500MB/s or faster is recommended" then that means the minimum speed to start is 5500mb otherwise it would start lower wouldn't it? Its not rocket science to understand 5500mb is the minimum starting speed recommend by Sony and not ssd slower than such as the Gigabyte AORUS model in question.
@User50301: You're quite stubborn
Also the Gigabyte AORUS manufacture themselves don't even state that version of their ssd are the speed you claim on the spec page
I linked you to the article where gigabyte claimed this.
Official Sony information states "5,500MB/s or faster is recommended" then that means the minimum speed to start is 5500mb
We prove that Sony measured speed is greater than minimum and you still are saying Sony falsely claim these speeds. If the ps5 reads above the 5500mb/s speeds then it already disproves your commentary.
You are arguing for the sake of arguing despite all the evidence. Honestly it's nothing but you trolling, and you are doing a disservice for the ozbargain community who want to buy a perfectly functional and meets spec ssd.
@maverickjohn: No I didn't, sorry, it was meant for User50301.
@User50301 Oh no its below minimum but it still works, whatever shall we do, boo hoo :(
It's actually okay if you have the PS5 Disc version (if you don't mind not putting back the cover for SSD). The outer plastic cover will work.
There have been multiple reports / comments on Amazon that people are happy with it on PS5 (obviously disc version).
Slow for a 4x4, guess it's cheap for the size atleast
For Windows, the difference between PCI-E 3.0 and 4.0 is very small. Not sure about the PS5 though.
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Thanks OP! I got the non Heat Sink version as well as the Jeyi Warship Pro Heat Sink for roughly $350
I thought the picture was a toy freight train at first
I think this is the new normal price for 2TB GEN 4 SSD
They are meant to be going up due to shortage
If anyone needs PS5 heatsinks, this place is quite cheap (more so if you buy more than 1) for an AU seller: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002901174549.html
I don't recommend that type of heatsink for PS5, it is best to get ones where you can secure the heatsink with screws.
why? what could possibly happen?
This heatsink relies on the double sided glue thermal pad to stop it from moving. I just don't like that design. It's fine if you know the right position, but with all these el cheapo ones, the instructions (more like lack of instructions) means there is a chance you don't get it right the first time. If you have to re-position the SSD slightly, then are you certain the thermal pad glue will hold up in the long run?
@goig986: You need to know how to do it for double sided SSD vs single sided SSD and the thermal pads to be used could be different. It's fine if you have done it before, but if you are doing it for the first time, are you certain you will not make a mistake?
I used a heatsink with screws on both sides and I had to do it twice (because all these el cheapo ones don't tell you where exactly you need to place the SSD and you'd better hope the thermal pads provided are perfectly cut to avoid confusion). The SSD position was slightly off the first time I did it (it was 1 or 2 mm off from memory). That video informed you that if you used the wrong thermal pads, you risk damaging your m.2 SSD. He was using a single sided SSD so are you certain that's 100% correct for double sided SSD? It's easier to do single sided (more margin for error).
The video indicated use different types of thermal pad for below and above the SSD. That AliExpress listing shows the same type. So which one is right? That AliExpress listing or the youTube video? Are you sure that youTube video is 100% correct for single sided SSD? If so, why does this item provide 2 thicker thermal pads if you have to use the thinner type on the bottom all the time? They just want to confuse you or they are being extra nice and give you 2 of each?
@goig986: By the way, I own one of those Jonsbo heatsinks (the one you posted), yes I bought it because it was dirt cheap and I just re-tested it. There is only 1 position that the top plate can go in so you'd better be sure you've got the thermal pads done correctly. Without the thermal pads AND the m.2 SSD, that top plate certainly slides out. Even if you click it in, it makes no difference. Hint: think about why you need to click / push it in, instead of sliding it in.
The price seems to be a bit higher than what I paid last year. For that price, I'd rather get a better one. You get 2 different thermal pads, 2 each, so 4 different combinations possible, I assume you know exactly which ones to use.
For people who have bought it: just do all your research before hand, I suggest you do a dry run without pushing the top plate in, ensure you have the m.2 in the right position, then put the top plate in. Also, if you have difficulty putting that m.2 into the slot, check the position carefully, don't force it in.
Even if you bought a different type, (if it is the first time you do this) it might still be worthwhile to do a dry run to find the correct position. Basically, make sure you give yourself sufficient space to ensure the m.2 contact part will go into the slot (with the heatsink). It's a bit different than installing the m.2 (without heatsink) into an m.2 slot in PC (that's easy).
@netsurfer: So we go from "thermal pad glue" to: completely back tracking on that, to owning the product… its not rocket science to install a couple thermal pads lol. Also thermal pads are reuseable as long as they are kept reasonably clean. Using the thick pad on both sides would totally be fine (if it clicks shut) even if you have SMDs on both sides, just going to give a little more mounting pressure anyway.
@goig986: It still needs the thermal pad glue. That's why the youTuber told you to push it in. If you slide it in, it will affect it.
I have the item with me right now. Without thermal pads, the top plate just slides out. If the top plate doesn't slide out without thermal pads, then I would recommend it.
@netsurfer: The orientation does not matter the thermal pads will compress. If your drive is sliding you need to use the thicker pads.
@goig986: Could you do me a favour? Try that heatsink on a double sided m.2 SSD. I was having a go and it was unpleasant (I think if I really pressed it in, it could break that m.2 SSD - already using the thin thermal pads). I am going to test that m.2 SSD now. Hope I didn't break it. I think I will use it with a single sided m.2 SSD for now. The margin for error for double sided m.2 is lower. Breaking the heatsink is nothing, breaking the m.2 SSD is costly.
@goig986: Let me know how to use a double sided m.2 SSD with this heatsink. I even tried not to have any thermal pad on one side. Unlike ones with screws, which you have 2 positions, one for single sided, another one for double sided, this one you have only 1 position, so there is much lower margin for error. The thin thermal pad offers very little safety margin, it feels more like a sticker, rather than a thermal pad.
@netsurfer: Putting too much (to an extent) will not crush and break the m.2. The thermal pad will compress.
@goig986: You cannot put the white thermal pads on a double sided m.2 SSD, you are stuck with the thin sticker thingy. Did you actually try a double sided m.2? If yes, tell me which one you put underneath the m.2, and which one you put above the m.2.
@goig986: What I am trying to tell you is this: I don't think this heatsink has sufficient z-height to properly accomodate a double sided m.2 SSD with even one thermal pad. The only bandaid solution I can think of is to forget about the thermal pads and just use double sided tape on both sides, maybe even just one side (the thinnest possible double sided tape you can find).
Putting too much (to an extent)
It doesn't feel good the youTube video you linked already telling people to avoid using the slightly thicker thermal pads on both sides with a single sided SSD. Anyway, you enjoy this lovely, wonderful, amazing heatsink. I might consider using it on a single sided m.2 SSD that I don't really care about. Not going to bother with a double sided m.2 SSD with this heatsink.
Gigabyte Aorus 2TB Gen4 NVMe for $359 at MSY is a good option for those wanting one with a small enough heatsink to fit the PS5. Local stock too :)
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No it's not. My link was for WA. Change your store to wherever you live.
The P5 plus 2TB deal here is killer if you want a fast SSD: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/684285
Not in sustained writes though. Has half the cache so it's going to get a lot slower a lot more quickly than the Gigabyte. Not to mention a fraction of the endurance long term.
source?
@goig986: Ok I was wrong about the cache. It is 2GB DDR4 in the Crucial. Still it has 1200TBW endurance compared to 3600TBW in the Gigabyte.
@Clear: Its the same Micron 176L TLC as firecuda 530 which has 2,550 TBW so I wouldn't worry about the spec sheet in that regard.
@goig986: Yeah the Aorus is one of those old E16 + Kioxia 96L drives. It's arguably worse or at best not much better than a decent gen 3 drive like the 970 Evo Plus or Hynix P31 in any area besides sequentials. While the Micron controller on the P5 Plus is arguably not as good as the E18, both the controller and flash seriously outclass E16 and 96L whatever the rankings on LTT say. For most people at 2TB, I suggest either chose the P5 Plus or Evo Plus. The Aorus or even this 3040 IMO simply don't make sense, price difference compared to the far superior P5 Plus is too small and cost over 970 Plus too large. Perhaps for a PS5 but I'm not sure it makes sense even there, probably better to just get a QLC gen 4 at $260 or whatever. The only case I can think of where you might want the Aorus is if you really need the warrantied TBW i.e. Chia mining or something.
Some info:
If you don't mind small speed hit then this is cheaper and comes with smaller headsink
https://www.amazon.com.au/Sabrent-Internal-Maximum-Performan…
Nice find. Cheaper and honestly, basically the same SSD, same chipset (Phison E16) and most likely the same type of NAND from Toshiba. Both relied on PS5 doing zero fill test to pass the test.
Yeah, weird the benchmarks for both SSD seems to be very similar to each other. Not sure how sequential read of PNY XLR8 is 5600MB. Actually I do not think the headsink on Sabrent Rocket PCIe 4.0 would fit. Got confused with amazon's customer images as i didnt notice they used different heatsink
https://nascompares.com/2021/10/27/pny-xlr8-cs3040-ssd-revie…
https://nascompares.com/2021/12/20/sabrent-rocket-pcie-4-0-s…
It's not really 5600MB on PC for the PNY. PNY stated that for PS5 I reckon. It was able to do so due to PS5 does zero fill sequential read test. Normally, we don't test sequential read on PC using zero fill (normally test with a proper test file). However, zero fill is quicker to test.
Based on the review for the Sabrent:
the Playstation 5 System software recorded a highly unusual read speed of 5,622MB/s. This is significantly higher than the reported maximum 5,000MB/s Sequential Read that Sabrent themselves say the Rocket 4.0 is capable of. So, take that measurement with a MASSIVE grain of salt!
It's all about how you test it. It's not just the PNY, basically all E16 based SSDs can benefit from the somewhat cheatable zero fill sequential read test. But, we are not complaining, more options for PS5 is good. It's interesting all these E16 2TB SSDs are on sale now.
That’s a beefy boy.
Ye I think I’m going to wait for price drop to 300
Honestly I highly doubt an ssd will ever need a passive heatsink. Everyone just regurgitates sony's recommendations without any real world testing being done, it's highly likely to be one of those snake oil BS in the tech space.
Linustechtips found that unless you hit an ssd with continuous writes for 10+ minutes you won't hit the thermal throttle limit (in a PC). This 2tb ssd would literally be full in 5 minutes and I highly doubt you'll be filling it then emptying it continuously.
The first time you copied all the games and files from another ssd to a new m.2 NVMe SSD, it could take some time so technically, that thermal protection could kick in and slow the SSD down (in terms of writing) quite a lot.
We know if you don't put a heatsink in, it will work. However, it is one thing to know that, it is another to actually do it (don't use a heatsink on PCIe gen 4 SSDs). Are we 100% sure that letting the SSD controller reaches the thermal cutoff point and let it cool down by itself is just as good as putting a heatsink to prevent it from reaching that cutoff point?
Unfortunately, even if you have a Seagate 530 2TB, it won't be full after 5 minutes of non-stop writes.
It comes down to this, if Crystal DiskInfo or other SSD health check apps show yellow or red for SSD temperature, are you comfortable enough to ignore that? I know the heatsink is not needed and I know a lot of the el cheapo heatsinks are not that good, I still got a cheapy one for the PS5 to numb my brain.
It's not snake oil if you have a first gen NVMe SSD such as Samsung 950 Pro. The thermal protection does kick in quite early since it doesn't have that kinda like a super thin heatsink sticker. Interestingly, 950 Pro does have a higher failure rate, but that could be it is the first gen NVMe SSD from Samsung. Generally, it is good to keep the controller cool (but the NAND flash might run a bit better warm). Then, when you watched a youTube video where they simulate SSD aging by taking the SSDs out and heat them up intentionally (then put them back into the PCs to test). When some of them did fail quite early with that test, you start to wonder which youTuber to trust.
Gen 4 ssds start around 5gb/s of read/write. A 2tb drive would be full in that 5 minutes if you transferred from internal ssd>addon ssd, assuming there aren't any other bottlenecks in the ps5 that'll throttle transfer speeds.
Unfortunately, even if you have Seagate 530 2TB, it won't be full after 5 minutes of non-stop writes.
Rated at 7300mb/s. 2tb would be full under 5 minutes of non-stop writes (2000/7.3=273s or 4.5 minutes).
It comes down to this, if Crystal DiskInfo or other SSD health check apps show yellow or red for SSD temperature, are you comfortable enough to ignore that?
Yes quite comfortable because that's the whole point of thermal throttling. Same way you can't damage a CPU through overheating (for the past 15 yrs anyways). Something being red or yellow in some software amounts to nothing. If I made a cpu tracking software that showed a big scary red warning when it reached 80 degrees does that mean anything? No.
In the end you need proof there's a problem before you can offer a solution, otherwise it's worthless.
I checked Tom's hardware (because they actually tested that SSD), you cannot assume that SSD can write at SLC cache speed non-stop. It is a TLC SSD with SLC cache, NOT a pure SLC SSD. Don't rely on marketing figures from SSD makers (quoted sequential write speed nowadays is cheating, it is SLC cache speed). There is another maths trick. If the SLC cache is up to 10%, but the TLC speed is far inferior (think about the recent WD NAND swap dodgy business), you could end up writing TLC portion at a speed that's 10 times slower, so that remaining 90% actually needs to x10 in a time scale.
Weirdly, Seagate 530 does 2 levels of drops in write speed. One of them is kinda the type you normally see with thermal throttling BUT Tomshardware seems to think it is cache recovery related.
Most mainstream review sites DO NOT do half filled drive nor nearly full drive sequential write tests, so you don't get to see what happened when the SSD has a much reduced SLC cache to work with.
Yes quite comfortable because that's the whole point of thermal throttling
Is it because you just trust Linus? Linus' team are good BUT their reviews are not comprehensive enough at times (their HDMI 2.1 cable test is really just a show off). I've seen reviews where they really write the drives all the way to the full and have thermal throttle kicks in 2/3 into the test, and you do see the ugly side of it - some are so slow, it's like HDD write speed or below.
It's also relative. Inside a PC, there is decent air flow, probably not an issue. Inside a tiny Thunderbolt 3 enclosure or even USB 3.2 gen 2x2 enclosure, the whole enclosure does get warm quite quickly, even with just light usage. Also, did Linus tell you some SSDs' reported temperature are actually pretty sloppy? A lot of them only tells you the NAND temperature. Only a small number of them report both controller temperature and NAND temperature (and depending on the apps you use, it might just read the NAND temperature, which tends to be lower). SSD makers hide a lot of data nowadays to stop apps using full set of SMART data to check the SSD health level.
Generally, it is better to keep the SSD controller cool (Gamers Nexus). Also, have you ever checked the specs sheet of a NAND chip?
@netsurfer: Two levels isn't that weird with a dynamic SLC cache especially a large but not full one. One is direct to TLC, one is when the SSD has to fold the SLC back to TLC.
Everyone just regurgitates sony's recommendations without any real world testing being done
There were tests done. The recommendation for people not wanting to use a heatsink is actually remove the SSD cover in PS5 (if you want the best possible speed). We are talking about < 5MB/s difference on average though.
A lot of contents on SSDs are available and this heatsink vs no heatsink difference was looked at years ago already (though it's been revisited due to PS5). It basically comes down to whether you want to keep the controller (and the RAM) cooler or not. The trade off is that you would somewhat cool down the NAND, which isn't always ideal.
The reason this deal is listed is because this one with heatsink is cheaper than the one without at the moment. Amazon are discounting 2TB E16 based NVMe SSDs with heatsink (because they were priced too high and weren't selling).
The issue with heatsink for me is that it creates more mess than good. The PS5 SSD slot isn't well designed and because we all know this heatsink is mostly gimmick, we get a cheap heatsink (with no instruction, and subpar thermal pads). Ideally, you actually want to buy the heatsink first (if you go DIY) otherwise you need to resist wanting to put the SSD into the PS5 without heatsink right away. It's only because Sony recommends it we use a heatsink.
For people who haven't got an SSD for PS5, do consider picking up one of these with heatsink (now they are discounted). These are better than DIY solution.
That's a pretty good price for a 2TB, but from the reviews on Amazon, although seems like it works well, does not fit in the compartment (due to the large heatsink).
You'd have to use the PS5 without closing the metal compartment.