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Free to Watch - Winter on Fire: Ukraine’s Fight for Freedom @ YouTube

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Free to Watch - Winter on Fire: Ukraine’s Fight for Freedom @ YouTube
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Taegukgi on 06/03/2022 - 08:42 youtu.be (3991 clicks)

You will need to turn on English subtitles as documentary is in Ukrainian.

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Netflix has just put a full documentary on YouTube, making Winter on Fire: Ukraine’s Fight for Freedom available free to anyone interested in understanding the Russia-Ukraine war. The move came late on Friday, just as Russia announced a new fake news law meant to hinder dissent in the country. Anyone disseminating news about the war — including calling it a “war” — will face up to 15 years in jail. That includes members of the press who do not serve the authoritarian regime in the country.

Separately, Russia has blocked parts of the internet in the county. That means many people in Russia are not able to watch Winter on Fire, even though you can stream the entire documentary for free on YouTube. But everyone else in the world can watch it in full for free on YouTube. The documentary will help you understand where Ukraine’s desire for freedom comes from and what kind of people are fighting Putin’s army.

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    • Chocobros on 07/03/2022 - 01:16

      It was our homepage until you rolled in and tried to take it from us.

  • diddy50 on 06/03/2022 - 11:41
    +2

    Seems I've reached voting negative on comments limit.

    so many ignorant pro-Russian post's that need liberating and some freedom.

  • Andre1973 on 06/03/2022 - 11:42
    +11

    propaganda rubbish.. the whole story is much more involved than what we've been told. eg. the ukraine coup 2013-14.. stealing gas / not paying for gas, etc.

    on a related note, is anyone else concerned of how blatantly racist the EU is? eg. african and arab refugees (running away from war - syria, libya, etc.) were in makeshift tents and nobody wanted them.. recently some refugees were stuck between poland and belarus in winter, nobody wanted them. they're all escaping death.. everyone is opening up for ukrainians.. i'm just saying.. we should open up for all refugees escaping death, right? or just some are more worthy than others???

    • UFO on 06/03/2022 - 12:02
      +7

      Ukraine coup 2013-14? You mean Russia's first invasion of Ukraine?

      • going nowhere on 06/03/2022 - 12:32
        +2

        Ukraine stealing gas/ not paying for gas? It's more like Russia not wanting to pay Ukraine for using their pipes.

        • odysseus on 06/03/2022 - 13:23
          +4

          That's a new one. Even Putin hasn't come up with that as an excuse yet.

          Glad you think that's a reason for the creation of millions of refugees, bombing of cities and deaths of about 20,000 Ukrainians so far.

  • VW on 06/03/2022 - 11:46
    +1

    yes, it's bad, but NATO is worse!!

    • UFO on 06/03/2022 - 12:01
      +13

      Yes, god forbid small nations who couldn't possibly defend themselves on their own, band together to ensure their own survival in case some bigger larger bully nation next door to them decides to invade.

      NATO deters Russia from attacking. It's clearly worked… for the members already in it. Russia is weak and scared, as any other bully is. They'll attack and pick on the lone little guy, but will never attack a group of little guys.

      • MondaySleeper on 06/03/2022 - 12:17
        +6

        mate, you should know what Cuba Missile crisis is. It was almost near the WW3 if not the US and Russia leaders sat together and addended the issue. Based on your line of argument, Cuba had (and still has) the right to do what it thinks is good for her. Why US got wary of it? Cuba is till in sanctions. Why US went against other countries when they try to become nuke power. Remember they sanctioned against India and Pak etc. Don't they have the same right? Who is US and west to decide. Of course India said go…f… yourself to US and now is a nuke power.

        If there is anyone to be sanctioned, its US at the top of chart. Just because its democratic, it doesn't change the attitude of a country. Different political parties come to power, they all pretty much have the same agenda. You can put same wine in 1000 bottles, new or old, but they all taste the same.

        This war could have avoided if US acted on it in the same way they acted on Cuban missile crisis.

        • UFO on 06/03/2022 - 14:36
          +3

          Dude, I've studied world conflict for decades. I'm acutely aware of the hypocrisy of the USA… especially the Cuban Missile Crisis.

          The USA did almost exactly what Russia is doing now. However… the USA DID NOT INVADE CUBA!
          Yes there are lots of examples of the USA doing the wrong things, and history has judged them accordingly. They are not angels in any sense of the word.
          But it still doesn't excuse Russia's actions today.

          Past wrongs are not an excuse to repeat them. The whole world's eyes are more open now than at any time in the past. The people can see and understand for themselves.
          Ask a person at the time what the missile crisis was about and all they'd know is the "commies are putting missiles in Cuba". Uneducated and uninformed.

          USA's actions with Cuba doesn't excuse Russia's actions on Ukraine. Invading the country is a step too far. Russia is killing Ukrainians. Bombing them. USA didn't do that in Cuba.

          • MondaySleeper on 06/03/2022 - 15:52
            +3

            @UFO: Since you said you studied history - these 2 events are not exactly the same, though there is a similarity of 90%. If you really want to draw a comparison, draw it against the US invasion of Iraq and Afghan. After that you can say if US was a holy-man for not attacking Cuba.

            The reason I am saying is that - The Cuba crisis would have been a direct conflict between US and Russia. If you had studied properly, you would know that 1 of the actions US thought of carrying out was "Full-force invasion of Cuba and overthrow of Castro". Another one was "US Air Force to attack all known missile sites." Kennedy refrained from both fearing that this will ultimately comes to direct conflict with Russia, as its Russia's missile site that they are destroying (same as a situation where Russia now attacking a NATO military base).

            So "USA didn't do that in Cuba."

            As there was not anyone to help Iraq, US invaded Iraq in the pretext of Nuke and destroyed a country, half-million people, culture. If Ukraine was in the same situation (the real backing, not the false backing that US now provided and then 180 degree flipping) , I think Russia "wouldn't also be attacking Ukraine"

            I am not supporting Russia in anyway with what they did, its danger to humanity and evil. If I get a chance I will kick Putin's ass but, at the same time, I am not ready to lick US ass either (something what we see with Mainstream media and Australian politicians love to do) . All what we want is peace in the world, for which US is also a danger at the same level Russia or any other self-proclaimed aggressive country is.

            • UFO on 06/03/2022 - 16:58
              +2

              @MondaySleeper: I completely agree with everything you said.

              Having to lick ass unfortunately is what all small fries must do to some extent. You can either deter much larger aggressors with nukes (which we don't have), or align yourself (lick ass) to someone that does.

              Because we don't share any common beliefs with China, we don't have a particularly close strategic relationship with India (I don't think they'd come to our aide in the event of war with China or anyone else), our options are the UK and the US. The UK is too far removed from our region, and France is like India- likes us but won't fight for us… it's the USA. There's no one else.

              If we have to suck up to someone (and do their bidding to keep them happy), I'm glad its the USA and not any of the others. They aren't perfect, but at least they aren't going to invade us for our natural resources.

              I want peace as well. I just want ALL nations to stay in their lines…. and not mistreat their own people within them. Nothing you said was wrong- but none of it excuses Putin's actions either.

    • Chocobros on 07/03/2022 - 01:20

      @vw Why is NATO worse? Serious question.

  • No ONE on 06/03/2022 - 11:50
    +15

    Propaganda should not be allowed here.

  • huntsabargain on 06/03/2022 - 12:04
    +8

    Political videos should not be permitted as "bargain" posts. No matter how accurate the information is in the video, this is not a "bargain". The people responsible for this website need to take note of this and update their posting rules to ensure that this sort of material is not allowed to be posted.

  • rektrading on 06/03/2022 - 12:09
    +2

    Hi fam,

    BREAKING NEWS. Oil futures closed at $115 on March 5.

    People should save their energy for the max pain when it goes to +$128.

    This conflict will rekt people's savings more than what Rona did in the past 2Y.

    • popsiee on 06/03/2022 - 12:26

      So OPEC won't increase supplies.
      Images of civilian casualties will put pressure on Biden to cut Russian oil purchases . I think this will happen and = USD$150 + .
      That will be time for people to catch Covid on trains .

  • cheapo999 on 06/03/2022 - 12:10
    +5

    No political propaganda please.

  • z00m on 06/03/2022 - 12:15
    +4

    The mod removed my neg because I commented "This is not a deal" with a message saying "this is an inappropriate use of a negative vote".

    ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    • icarus255 on 06/03/2022 - 12:22
      +6

      Censorship at its finest.

      • Gehirn on 06/03/2022 - 13:31
        +3

        If you post that on any deal it will be removed. It's used to promote actual reasons of why it's not a deal to be posted.

      • Techie4066 on 06/03/2022 - 13:57

        Ah yes so much censorship, my downvote was removed. Just look at all 5 pages of people commending this post.

    • UFO on 06/03/2022 - 17:02
      +1

      You didn't give a reason for your neg… that's the sole purpose of HAVING TO COMMENT to give the neg in the first place!

      You can't just say "this is not a deal". Your neg will be removed on every single deal you say that in… it's not censorship, stop making it more than it is.

      Follow the forum rules, simples!

  • OzBargainer4Eva on 06/03/2022 - 12:21
    +4

    Status, power, money… (profanity) politics. Don't blame the countries, blame the leaders. These leaders should step out themselves and fight each other instead of having innocent people to suffer.

  • axlfan on 06/03/2022 - 12:22
    +6

    Bit rich coming from a US firm.

    I feel for Ukraine. But I wish all the war mongers living in countries like US(by far the greatest threat to the world), UK , Russia and that rogue nation extraordinaire China, India etc just fell off the face of the Earth one night so the rest of us could live in peace.

    Spare this site from one sided propaganda.

    • MondaySleeper on 06/03/2022 - 13:00
      +3

      me too. Its sad to see the plight of people. Doesn't matter which nationality, which colour and gender.

      US, UK, Russia, France - all are making money by selling the war machineries. They are selling human miseries for money.

  • Banj0 on 06/03/2022 - 12:50
    +2

    Well…that went south pretty quickly.

  • shortgum on 06/03/2022 - 12:54
    +6

    need documentaries for wars on afgan, syria, iraq etc etc for last 20 years

  • ctg on 06/03/2022 - 12:54
    +5

    Price normally? $0. Bargain not located.

    Spun trollop as well.

  • RooBun on 06/03/2022 - 12:55
    +3

    A genuine question, where I can find the English version of Donbas

    • shabaka on 06/03/2022 - 13:46

      you can go to Donbas, flight leaves in an hour.

      see it first hand

  • Marrk on 06/03/2022 - 13:10
    +12

    I get that this is not a deal, though people commenting that we are only seeing one side of the story are problematic (and using RT as a source is laughable). I have seen enough videos from Ukranian citizens to know they don't deserve what is going on and president Zelenskyy appears to provide leadership we could only dream of.

    • Serapis on 06/03/2022 - 17:43
      +4

      I've followed this lady for a while who made intricate cakes using 3d printed moulds in Ukraine (Kharkiv / Kharkov) called Dinara Kasko. Kharkov was targeted and bombed in the last week or so.

      It was pretty sad to follow in the last 3 weeks as her posts went from making intricate cakes to moving her family underground to shelters and now having to flee their country and just with no plans but alive. Her lifestyle and business that was set up over 6 years gone in under a week.

  • kenan3cn on 06/03/2022 - 13:31
    +3

    Free propaganda is not a deal. People shouldn’t need to see it, let alone pay for it.

    • Top G on 06/03/2022 - 13:35
      +2

      whatever goes against my view is propoganda. If it has weak arguments it's probably going to reinforce your current view so might be beneifical to watch.

    • Chocobros on 07/03/2022 - 01:24

      Exactly! Russians get it for free so why can't we expect it for free as the norm?

  • shabaka on 06/03/2022 - 13:35
    +13

    everyone justifying this crime against humanity and peace that this war that Russia started against Ukraine is

    you are hereby reminded that as part of Australian citizenship you are obligated to uphold certain values and beliefs

    if you don't really support the values of freedom, democracy, peace, you have no right to carry Australian citizenship.

    yes there's freedom of speech. but you can't spread propaganda of war and racism, freedom of speech doesn't grant you that privilege.

    also I know everything about Ukraine first hand, as a Russian who lived in Ukraine for many years, east and west, and I have never experienced or saw evidence of any racism

    also having relatives on the both sides of the Russian border I was able on my own experience tell who is lying and who isn't. Russian media has been lying for years, and are still doing it, turning everything inside out. I know and saw every trick they have up their sleev to make things look just the opposite of what they are.

    so all in all:
    - what is going on now in Ukraine is a war, unprovoked and unjustified
    - Russian military forces are bombing civilians almost exclusively
    - there's no nazism in Ukraine. although now after invasion, no Russian will really be welcome there
    - Russian media is lying, and have been for many years.

    that's the truth. I have been able to examine both sides of the story for years, so trust me my fellow Ozbargain members.

    thank you (probably will get heavily downvoted by Russians. hello fellow Russians 🙏)

    • icarus255 on 06/03/2022 - 13:47
      +6

      No Nazis in Ukraine? You have watched too much CNN, champ. You need to read about the Azov battalion and the thousands of Ukranians that joined the SS Nazi death squads in WW2.
      No racism in Ukraine? bs… you clearly didn't live there.
      https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2/more-racism-at-ukrai…
      I could keep going but judging from the negative votes I think most ozBargainers will see through the hypocrisy and propaganda.

      • shabaka on 06/03/2022 - 13:50
        +7

        I lived there. no nazis in Ukraine, mate

        you watched too much of something, definitely

        nothing that you gave justifies war in Ukraine and killing thousands innocent citizens right now.

        • icarus255 on 06/03/2022 - 13:54
          +3

          Azov Battalion.
          "In 12 November 2014, Azov was incorporated into the National Guard of Ukraine, and since then all members are official soldiers serving in the National Guard."
          "In 2014, the regiment gained attention after allegations of torture and war crimes, as well as neo-Nazi sympathies and usage of associated symbols by the regiment, as seen in their logo featuring the Wolfsangel, one of the original symbols used by the 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich."
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

          • Techie4066 on 06/03/2022 - 14:07
            +6

            @icarus255: Very, very small minority.
            You should note we have Nazis ourselves.

            • Creamsoda on 06/03/2022 - 14:23
              +5

              @Techie4066: Azov is real. It's one of the Ukraine's main fighting forces. There are no other country that has a NAZI battalion in their military. Putin might have exaggerated the whole Ukrainian government is ran by NAZI's but it doesn't put down the fact that they recognize a fascist military force. It's not very very small like you might have been told. Our government will NEVER allow NAZI battalion with SS symbols in our army.

              https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/us-votes-again…

              We have seen the US will use any extremist to their benefit like ISIS in (Syria) and Al Qaeda (against Russia) if it benefits them.

              • Techie4066 on 06/03/2022 - 14:24
                +3

                @Creamsoda: Of course it is real. I have seen the swastikas and SS symbols on some helmets. But look at the sources of the Wiki article you linked, it clearly states 2,500 troops involved in 2017. Extremists exist in every country, and context matters. That doesn't excuse the existence of these thug groups.

                • icarus255 on 06/03/2022 - 14:32
                  +3

                  @Techie4066: The government encouraged them, never prosecuted them, and are now they are part of their regular forces. What other government on earth says it's ok for a nazi military unit to function and co-exist with regular "non-nazi" units?
                  Are you seriously implying that the existence of the Azov battalion is ok? 2500 nazi soldiers fighting for the ukranian government is ok with you?

                  • Techie4066 on 06/03/2022 - 14:35
                    +3

                    @icarus255:

                    What other government on earth says it's ok for a nazi military unit to function and co-exist with regular "non-nazi" units?

                    Some do. Doesn't change the fact Azov is a miniscule sect.

                    Are you seriously implying that the existence of the Azov battalion is ok?

                    lol you people

                    If you can manage with an open mind, consider this.
                    Hope it can reframe the debate for you.

                    • icarus255 on 06/03/2022 - 14:44
                      +4

                      @Techie4066: I don't care whether Putin wins or loses but it disgusts me that you are trying to defend the existence of a known nazi group and cover up well documented acts of racism.

                      • Techie4066 on 06/03/2022 - 14:45
                        +1

                        @icarus255: Bad people. Not good. Ok whataboutism?
                        Fixating on 2,500 fringe fighters as of 2017 out of 196,000 active troops and 900,000 reservists says a LOT about you. That is where the debate is really at. Stop distracting and conflating. Goodbye.

                    • odysseus on 06/03/2022 - 16:30
                      +2

                      @Techie4066: It's an accurate video. Unfortunately when he gets to the conclusion, he hasn't considered the effect Putin's new censorship laws giving 15 years jail to anyone reporting anything about the war that doesn't align with his fantasy, and other recent measures.

                      This has caused any non-Russian media to stop broadcasting in Russia, removing the ability of Russians to see anything but Putin's view. Similarly they cannot report from Russia for the same reasons. Further, any sources that allow any other views e.g. facebook, twitter, youtube and so on have similarly been blocked, meaning that if you're in Russia you will find it difficult to hear any other narrative but what Putin says. (VPN is currently the only means, but that is an extreme minority of people, so aside from the result of being imprisoned if you are to say anything about that if you are one of the very few with that access, virtually nobody will be believe you as nobody else will have that knowledge.)

                      Given that Russia starts from a state of approx 58% support of Putin's actions invading Ukraine, it is likely that number will only grow over time. Any resistance mentioned in the video will mostly be covered up, and the passing mentions will just be to further Nazi terrorists attacking Russia and its new puppet governments. And with the lack of facts being available in Russia, that will enable the Kremlin propaganda to go unchallenged.

                      Unfortunately his premise and conclusion are not certain.

                      • Techie4066 on 06/03/2022 - 16:31
                        +3

                        @odysseus: I get where you're coming from regarding his confidence that Putin will lose. I for one believe he lost morally on day one, his reputation is down the drain and he's forever going to be alienated by the international community. A lot of Russians know, they just can't stop some of their people understanding reality in this internet-driven information age.

                        I intended for the content contained within his argument to be useful and contextualise everything, since that's clearly been lost here by some shouting about Azov Nazis and genocide and corruption and imperialism and the Middle East or whatnot.

              • shabaka on 06/03/2022 - 14:27
                +3

                @Creamsoda: Azov is not "one of the Ukraine's main fighting forces".

                Ukrainian military forces "ZSU" are Ukraine's main fighting forces. they are made up of peaceful citizens, I know many of them.

                haven't heard of this Axov whatever. you are blowing it out of proportion

                • icarus255 on 06/03/2022 - 14:36
                  +4

                  @shabaka: Denying the existence of the Azov Batallion is a travesty and should be a crime in itself.
                  Here you go champ, here is another link for you so you can't say that no one told you about them:
                  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-reg…

                  • shabaka on 06/03/2022 - 14:44
                    +4

                    @icarus255: who cares?

                    killing innocent citizens is a crime. war in Ukraine is a crime. my close friend had to leave earlier today because his home got completely destroyed by Russian forces, the whole town was. there was an artillery shell on every couple square meters

                    I bet $100 he has no idea what this Azov bullshit is. this is irrelevant.

                    • Techie4066 on 06/03/2022 - 14:46
                      +3

                      @shabaka: Just ignore. He can't read.
                      May as well be Russian bots.

                      • icarus255 on 06/03/2022 - 14:58
                        +6

                        @Techie4066: For the record: I'm Australian and I already told you that I don't care who wins the war but I can't tolerate the hypocrisy and blatant propaganda being shoved down my throat especially when it's to defend Nazi-loving and racist regimes.
                        I hope there will be peaceful resolution to the violence soon.

                        • Techie4066 on 06/03/2022 - 15:06
                          +1

                          @icarus255: Define:

                          May as well be

                          Glad we can agree on this point. Maybe you shouldn't be overly sceptical. I was at one point.

                        • shabaka on 06/03/2022 - 15:50
                          +3

                          @icarus255: you should go on Federation Square and broadcast your thoughts from there. see how many likes you get then

                          please give me your contact details,I will report you to the police for hate speech.

                          government of Ukraine isn't Nazi-loving or racist, and you should answer for these atrocious claims.

          • shabaka on 06/03/2022 - 14:07
            +5

            @icarus255: would you like to know about nationalist movements within Russia? Belarus? USA?

            and it justifies this war how exactly?

      • odysseus on 06/03/2022 - 15:53
        +2

        Look you're right.

        However, there's also Nazism and racism here. And obviously there is in Russia too, as in most countries.

        How does any of that justify the invasion and war on Ukraine by Russia? It doesn't.

        • icarus255 on 06/03/2022 - 15:58
          +3

          Never said that it did. I was simply replying to a post that claimed:
          "…and I have never experienced or saw evidence of any racism"
          "-there's no nazism in Ukraine"
          Just pointing out some evidence from "non-Russian" sources to the poster to the contrary of what he is claiming.

          • shabaka on 06/03/2022 - 16:21
            +1

            @icarus255: I am not claiming anything, my friend.

            I am saying about things that I experienced first hand, you know, that's the thing they call the truth

            you are the one claiming a lot of things in this thread, things you have no idea about, apparently.

            hello bot

    • MondaySleeper on 06/03/2022 - 13:54
      +8

      Not sure about your other calling, but the below is outrageously wrong.

      "also I know everything about Ukraine first hand, as a Russian who lived in Ukraine for many years, east and west, and I have never experienced or saw evidence of any racism"

      Look at what Ukraine soldiers are doing - Racial profiling against people of colour. They are not letting those people from Africa, India, Pak and other non-white background to escape the war area. The have been pulled back, threatened at gun point. Please note that these people are the ones supporting the nation spending their money and paying tax. Not even refugees deserve such a treatment.

      If this is your definition of 'no racism' I can only sympathise with you and pray for those poor people.

      • Techie4066 on 06/03/2022 - 14:05
        +2

        Look at what Ukraine soldiers are doing - Racial profiling against people of colour. They are not letting those people from Africa, India, Pak and other non-white background to escape the war area.

        False. They have been able to escape, just not on some border-crossing trains. They are predominantly border agents stopping them because they didn't have the necessary documentation previously required by Poland etc. For example the Nigerian embassy secured passage for their non-Ukranian citizens to Romania only.

        • MondaySleeper on 06/03/2022 - 14:10
          +5

          False. There were many instances. Just check out AlJazeera and even CNN news.

          • Techie4066 on 06/03/2022 - 14:12
            +1

            @MondaySleeper: I have witnessed them myself.
            But laws imposed by countries accepting intakes of refugees do exist, you know.
            Poland has gone so far as to relax their's, so has Hungary's government which has historically been very anti-immigration.
            Embassies have to secure passage for people that are solely their own citizens.

            • MondaySleeper on 06/03/2022 - 14:21
              +4

              @Techie4066: mate, its not talking about countries restriction I am talking about. Its the Ukraine's police and military doing the profiling. They stopped people of color from escaping. That act is evil same as the what Putin did.

              "Embassies have to secure passage for people that are solely their own citizens." - This is half true. Embassies doing the evacuation only if the citizen reaches the boarder. No one is going to the war-field to save the people.

              • Techie4066 on 06/03/2022 - 14:22
                +1

                @MondaySleeper:

                mate, its not talking about countries restriction I am talking about. Its the Ukraine's police and military doing the profiling. They stopped people of color from escaping.

                For the most part, it's a matter of correlation not causation as a byproduct of the aforementioned restrictions.

      • shabaka on 06/03/2022 - 14:06
        +2

        lies

      • MondaySleeper on 06/03/2022 - 14:13
        +4

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up_V7VCsQII
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvRCocO3g8A
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c17tY3tgOlQ
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTgBawnWTJo

        And, I know personally 1 of my friends who is a medical student who was kicked and removed the the queue. I talked to him yesterday.

        • shabaka on 06/03/2022 - 14:22
          +2

          I have friends who work in emergency services helping people evacuate and get out of damaged buildings.

          give me phone number of your friend I'll make sure he's looked after. there's a huge network of people helping each other (I am one of them), so if he's in trouble, he's doing something wrong, or I don't know. we help everyone, unthinkable that something like that is taking place.

          some areas are tough because a lot of people are there in a bottleneck, and women and children are prioritised.

          if he's a guy, yes any guy can be kicked out of the queue to let women and children leave first, doesn't matter international or not.

          so if it's an occasion of that happening (you said "him") that makes sense. if he's a guy, women and children come first. he needs to join the forces and give us a hand instead of running.

          • MondaySleeper on 06/03/2022 - 15:24
            +3

            @shabaka: thanks. yes, he is an international student doing MBBS there. He is back at his home Country now after lot of ordeal. Probably the idea is to force them to take weapons to fight against invasion. Note that he is not a Citizen and has no obligation to fight against, and sometimes it could be against his own country's interest or policy. I agree 100% with the Ukraine citizen's obligation to fight.

            • shabaka on 06/03/2022 - 15:44
              +2

              @MondaySleeper: nah, foreign citizens don't have to fight, I mean join the emergency services, they don't do any combat duty.

              just helping others who need help

    • axlfan on 06/03/2022 - 20:43

      Those values are not about being a blind lapdog to the west.

      Was this outcry done when Iraq was illegally invaded based on lies? That whole region de-stabilised and millions of lives lost.

      The US kept egging Ukraine on and when push came to shove, conveniently escaped into the shadows.

      Russia and Putin are aggressors but so is the US!

      Since the US did not support freedom, democracy and peace in Iraq and Afghanistan and since you had no issues all these days with it, when are you relinquishing your Aussie citizenship?

  • Alderson on 06/03/2022 - 13:36
    +13

    I'm pretty surprised by the number of pro-Russian comments in this thread, on an Australian deals website. I've not come close to encountering someone in my broader circle of contacts and online acquaintances who are taking an even mildly pro-Russian stance over recent events. The one person I've seen was that Russian guy who was on Q&A on ABC.

    So where are these neg's coming from. Does Ozbargain have a big Russian community? Is it perhaps people from other backgrounds who may be more inclined to support Russia than the west (I won't give specific examples, but can think of a few counties perhaps)? I'm just really curious.

    • shabaka on 06/03/2022 - 13:39
      +6

      Kremlin is now buying olive oil and eneloops in Australia it seems

    • May4th on 06/03/2022 - 13:44
      +8

      Perhaps examine which comments you determine to be pro-russian? I only see a handful defending Putin. Highlighting the brutality of war in general and drawing attention to the hypocrisy of media on the back of the deal posted, whilst may be insensitive to a very emotionally charged humanitaran issue does not equate to supporting Russia

      • MondaySleeper on 06/03/2022 - 13:59
        +7

        Exactly this. What Putin did is evil. No doubt. More talk and peace keeping should have been done, even if there are conflicts. Period.

        What people are pointing out are the filtered approach. Those in Iraq, Palestine and Afghan are still people with flesh and blood. And the fact that US and West always caused more fatalities than what they resolved is also a fact.

        What people are calling out is the hypocrisy of media.

    • Top G on 06/03/2022 - 13:46
      +2

      There is a vaste amount of immigrants especially of Middle eastern,Vietnamese, Chinese background. Don't really blame them. For them it's a battle of East vs West as opposed to humanity 1st.

    • Ecr1 on 06/03/2022 - 14:26
      +6

      The CCP have been pumping out pro-Russian propaganda and stoking anti-west sentiment in Chinese media, so I would guess some posters are influenced by that.

    • deadpoet on 06/03/2022 - 14:43
      +5

      So where are these neg's coming from. Does Ozbargain have a big Russian community

      It's not so much Russians, the majority are either tankies (far Left types) or QAnon (far Right) types who have been swallowing Russian propaganda kool-aid on the Web for the last two decades. I have a friend who has descended into the tankie/CCP hole the last few years, it's been very distressing to watch, and there's nothing much we can do about it.

      Look at how many Republicans (including Trump) they've swept up in their orbit and that tells you the incredible reach that Putin has.

    • loropy9 on 06/03/2022 - 15:05
      +6

      People learned to keep their opinion to themselves. Because your opinion can get you vilified, fired, ostracised. Over the past few years I have found that so many people around me are choosing to keep their true opinions deep undercover from their public life. You are risking to lose everything if your opinion doesn't fit the mainstream narrative. Social circles have become echo chambers.

      • belongsinforums on 06/03/2022 - 15:21
        +4

        i mean if your opinion is that vaccines cause autism, you deserve to be ridiculed

        • loropy9 on 06/03/2022 - 15:42
          +2

          Thank you for proving my point.

          • odysseus on 06/03/2022 - 16:39
            +4

            @loropy9: Because opinion doesn't trump fact. And further that those who have a vested interest in an outcome, or on one party's side will co-opt theoretical arguments in support of them.

            Valid opinions are fine. But peddling a biased view with selective facts, distortions and plain lies gets called out.

    • bchliu on 06/03/2022 - 18:18
      +3

      I don't honestly think that anyone here that people are calling "Pro-Russian" actually endorse the invasion in any shape or form because pretty much everyone is mature enough to know that war is bad and will cause endless suffering for others.

      What people are pointing out is the hypocrisy of the Western powers (US, NATO, MSM etc) and the very bias one sided view that the other half of OZB only subscribe and believe to. No one is worshipping Putin in any fashion here, but there has been many factors which have driven to war in that side of the world.

      Unless you are objectively stupid in only believing one side of the story without hearing nuance or a different point of view and coming to your own conclusions after hearing all the evidence.. Not everyone here that agrees with the current Western narratives are Bots, Russian Spies or whatever-other-name-you-wanna-label-it.

  • Top G on 06/03/2022 - 13:38
    +6

    It's like everyone was asleep during the lead up to this war. The false flag ramping 1 week before, acusing Americans of fake news, "no we're just doing drills" was insane.

    The fact is this war was probably planned a year in advance. Putin trolled world leaders while not even trying diplomatic avenue. That should frighten everyone.

    • MondaySleeper on 06/03/2022 - 13:48
      +3

      US had full intelligence the war is going to happen. Didn't they even provide the support to Kyiv?

      I agree 100% that Putin fooled everyone. World was so relieved when he said it was a mock-drill and force is turning back

      • Top G on 06/03/2022 - 13:54

        We'll he should just come clean. If they straight up said we are invading because of X and X I'd even side with them more and judge their reasoning.

        • vlo on 06/03/2022 - 14:12
          +2

          Or is it because of one sided western reporting? I do not think I've seen any mainstream media report about NATO's expansion towards Russia.

        • odysseus on 06/03/2022 - 16:40
          +1

          Problem is there isn't a valid reason. Hence why he can't 'come clean.'

      • Techie4066 on 06/03/2022 - 14:01

        And they let the international community know of their concerns. British intelligence has also been very accurate in their communications.

  • loropy9 on 06/03/2022 - 13:45
    +3

    Where were all the “freedom loving” armchair warriors in 2014 when the ukrainian pro nato fascists burned people alive?
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wu2tXG2Yo-g&noapp=1

    • MondaySleeper on 06/03/2022 - 14:08
      +4

      Why are you asking these questions? Only US & west supporters lives matter. Afghan, Iraq, Syria or even the lives of people in the opposing ideology (even of same hereditary) don't matter.

      People always forget that "World War I began after the assassination of a single person (Austrian archduke Franz Ferdinand) by South Slav nationalist Gavrilo Princip on June 28, 1914"

      People tend to notice the effect and not the cause.

      • Top G on 06/03/2022 - 14:11
        +1

        Ukrainian isn't even West though which is crazy. They have a gdp of like 3500 USD per capita so firmly in the 3rd world category.

  • T18 on 06/03/2022 - 13:53
    +1

    I dont' support the war, but instead of Russia, I condemn NATO and the US.

    • Top G on 06/03/2022 - 13:58
      +14

      Russia has history of attacking smaller neighbours, how do you think they got so big? They are still doing it today with Georgia and now Ukraine and you will see with Moldova and pressuring the Baltic states.

      If there was no NATO they'd pick them off easier 1 by 1 and every small country nearby would develop nuclear bombs just like NK.

      Much prefer NATO to nukes everywhere in Europe

      • UFO on 06/03/2022 - 14:39
        +8

        100%!

        Smaller countries banding together to deter a proven bully hell bent on restoring USSR.

    • popsiee on 06/03/2022 - 14:00
      +12

      So did the US and NATO invade Ukraine ?

      Unbelievable . Out of negs !

      • Techie4066 on 06/03/2022 - 14:06
        +6

        Likewise here.

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