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Pulled the trigger on this one as it looks like the price is good. Latest 12th gen core i7, DDR5, 3070Ti. Looks like delivery will take about 1 month though.
Dell G15 Gaming Laptop with i7-12700H, RTX 3070 Ti, 16GB DDR5 RAM, 512GB NVMe SSD $2199 Delivered @ Dell eBay
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It is impossible since there is no second m.2 slot on this year's G15.
https://dl.dell.com/content/manual13802080-dell-g15-5520-set…
Detailed specs above.
Quote: Dell G15 5520 supports one M.2 2230/2280 solid-state drives
Use an external, you should be fine.
copy paste my reply from the previous g15 deal:
For anyone looking to get this, you should know that this year’s G15 only have one m.2 slot. The other is intentionally removed-the space is empty on the mobo where the m.2 connector should have been. If storage upgrade is on the menu (which it is since 512gb is not remotely enough) your only option is to replace the stock drive and reinstall the system or to use an external disk with far lower speeds limited by USB standards.
I would be also watching out for for temps since temps were not great in last year’s model which this year had the exact same cooling system and chassis of. With the GPU at 130 watts, (so not the full 150w 3070ti laptop supports up to) it’s questionable how much gains you would be looking at from the 12700h since intel are very power hungry as far as performance scaling is concerned and I wouldn’t be surprised- since Jarrod’sTech haven’t done a review it-that the actual CPU numbers would be worse than competitors and only slightly better than last gen.
So a 5600h/3070Ti is always a better performer?
LOL at comparing a 5600h to this. You could turn off turbo on the i7 and it would still smoke it. It's 14core/20thread
Yes agreed, the i7 would smoke, it has horrible power draw and catches fire as soon as you open note pad.
Not really, unless the 3070ti on the 5600h is full powered, then maybe in one or two gpu heavy titles the 5600h machine will be a tiny bit faster? The 5600h is only 6cores vs 14 cores on the 12700h and the difference is too large,
Ryzen 5000/6000 mobile series had one-if not the only-flaw with them being the small L3 cache, this will have quite a bit of impact in games, which is why if you see jarrod's performance charts, assuming similiar specs and similiarly powered gpus intel will come out ahead than ryzen due to them having the bigger L3 cache (24mb vs 16mb), this is also why the desktop 5600g/5700g are not recommended for gaming builds, because they will have negligble fps gains over the 3600/3700x and quite a bit slower than 5600x/5800x in games since the non g's have 32mb of L3 cache while the 5600/5700g are like the mobile chips with only 16mb.
Ah OK. I recently saw a video where i noticed that when CPU consumed more power, GPU got less of it to maintain thermal performance. Since this was 20 thread beast, thought it might pull more power and slow that 3070ti.
@John Doh: It might pull more power on average, but the 3070ti will still be able to take around 115w- it is designed to do so.
12th gen really is a pretty big step up for intel. cant say much about gpu side. If you already got a 30 gen machine I would hold for next gen.
@John Doh: You'd be better off with something that is both AMD CPU and GPU, for the SmartShift tech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD6vhg7iqPY
Re temp concerns. Depends what your workload is. Gaming will use very little wattage from the CPU. Rendering or maxing out all cores and threads a different story
and people selling second/near new laptop with 3060 for $2500 at gumtree.. yeahhhh
This vs Lenovo 5 Pro 5800h/3070?
If you want performance, 12th gen is 15-20% better than the ryzen. Not per power unit though.
3070ti is showing minimal improvement over 3070
Depends on your needs! If the laptop is going to be plugged in all the time, the 12th gen will perform, but consumes a lot of power and generates heat. The issue with Dell, from experience, is that they put good CPU and GPU in a laptop but it gets negated by completely inadequate cooling, causing the laptop to throttle and underperform.
The Legion Pro has a very good cooling system. Additionally the components beyond the CPU and GPU are much better quality vs the Dell G15 chassis.
Looking at reviews, Intel 12th gen only performs at a higher TDP 60W+. Anything below 50w TDP and Ryzen has better performance per watt.
Note people stating that the 12700h mobile is a 14 core, should also state that it is made up of 6 performance cores and 8 efficiency cores. The performance cores are high TDP in order to perform and need good cooling, as mentioned before.
Have they fixed up the heat or thermal issue on these G series laptops?
No. Still has massive heating and throttling issues
identical cooling solution and chasis as 2021 g15
dell did physically remove one m.2 connector so you only get one drive slot so thats 'neat' i guess
Dumb question but how do they even manage a high end GPU in a laptop casing? There's no way it runs optimal without some sort of water-cooling technology
because it performs worse than a desktop 3060ti and is only 130w
There's a Chinese video on YouTube with the 2022 g15 w rtx 3060. In gaming both CPU and gpu were sitting in the mid 70s.
CPU heats up well past this point under all core load in cinebench then settles at 90 but that's not uncommon. How much fan noise there is - unknown..I would rather get the 5800H / 3070 / 16GB / 512GB Legion 5 Pro deal that just popped up for $130 less. At 140W TGP, its probably close in performance to this 130W 3070 Ti, especially when a Ryzen CPU can spare more additional power for the GPU.
I have a 12700H in another Dell laptop (AW x14) and it's a great CPU that outperforms the M1 Max & Ryzen 6900HS if CPU performance was the priority, but that Legion 5 Pro is a lot better value and the chassis doesn't have nearly as many cut corners as the G15
It's a close one. G15 12th gen out of the two for me.
The poor memory on the lenovo and last gen CPU which will be replaced with 6800h any day now etc not ideal. Will be able to flash the 3070ti if you really want the extra wattage.
The i7 is super impressive especially in gaming. Average fps aside there can be a big increase to minimums with the i7.
*even the lower end panel on this year's g15 looks to be improved , 165hz vs 120hz last year. Haven't seen a review but it might close the gap on the lenovo one which was certainly better than 2021 g15
You can always wait for the next thing in tech!
Yes the 12th gen is impressive for everything except power consumption. In laptops the thermal limits and noise is a combination of CPU and GPU. As long as you have a 5800/5900 AMD I would expect a cooler machine gaming (with the same GPU) and a very small performance loss (few percent) compared to the 12th gen CPU. Also at 1440p/1600p resolution almost all games are GPU bound, so personally I would go for the Lenovo Pro with better cooling, more power efficient CPU, better build quality and nicer screen
Re gaming , temps and wattage seem to be low on the i7 due to low utilisation - there's a Chinese review but cpu+gpu for the new g15 was sitting in the low to med 70s. Similar to 12th gen desktop it uses similar if not less wattage than AMD counterparts while performing better. (Plenty of sources re this but I also know from experience after going from a 5950x-12900k).
Now running the i7 at full load in cinebench or blender that's a different story. I have no doubt this device won't hold up well under a situation of running 3dmark and aida64 at the same time but again that's not a gaming scenario
Around 20 years ago now, I would buy Dell every time I upgraded my laptop because they allowed so much customization that I could choose exactly what I wanted. Their warranty wasn't terrible back then either. These days I would rather have teeth pulled than deal with Dell. I feel old.
Only 1 M.2 drive capable is a deal breaker along with the Ethernet on the side, USB sure but these designers are getting lame or the suits are so dumb they dont actually give a crap about such stuff. They can keep this one imo! Good luck to those who buy.
Man, after using an iPad for what it seems…..like 10 years, how can you guys even entertain the idea of a 1080P display $2200 Laptop in 2022.
did anyone get this and is it overheating?
and is the screen fine? i see its not IPS.I am not into heating monitoring but it runs red dead redemption 2 at about 80 fps on ultra 1080, pretty stable up to 30 minutes of gaming. The display is okay to me, it is even capable of G-Sync which is very nice despite Dell not advertising this. Only issue is it drains battery pretty quickly.
does it get hot to touch the keyboard? and is the sound good?
The keyboard may get a bit warm on gaming load, but not to the point that would disrupt me from the game. I only use headphone while gaming; the built in speakers are otherwise okay for my general use.
@MrBin: awesome. im returning my other laptop because faulty speakers to get refund and already ordered this.
just got it for $2,147.35 somehow from dell website with coupon for woolworths discount.
that's pretty much the best price so far, right? How did you get 10% off with woolworths?
think its a glitched. not meant to have two discounts, also this laptop is meh, fans so loud, taking off the back is a pain the screws are strange and wont come out easy. feels so easy to break i think mine is breaking somehow already, i cant put the back on probably because the screws wont come fully out and stuck.
it gets very hot at the top vents but keyboard feels fine
no second SSD port, its just not insideI thought they were captive screws - ie. not designed to come all the way out so you don't lose them?
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Can you add another ssd to this…. Easily?