Interested on a poll on who thinks Will did the right thing by slapping Chris Rock. Would you have done the same?
Personally I think if he wanted to make a stand he should have stood up and walked out, not gone down the path of physical assault.
Poll on Academy Awards Incident between Will Smith and Chris Rock
Pelicannn on 29/03/2022 - 00:34
Last edited 29/03/2022 - 11:00 by 1 other user
Last edited 29/03/2022 - 11:00 by 1 other user
Poll Options
- 43Yes, Will did the right thing and I’d do the same.
- 14Yes, Will did the right thing, but I’d not do that same.
- 15No, Will did the wrong thing but I’d do the same.
- 1382No, Will did the wrong thing and I’d also not do the same.
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Naar, usually I’d expect news.com.au to run a poll but I couldn’t find one. Just curious if anything.
You're not going to get a very representative poll from news.com.au …
Levity/plexity has become DisabledUserXXXXX… OzBargain kinda bullied him into deleting his account.
He's lurking. We just haven't identified his new username yet.
my money's on surdity
Same same…
It was staged
To Will or not to Will, that is the question?
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words to my wife will cause me to commit assault on international TV.
Will laughed at the joke but then decided to defend the honour of his wife who cheated on him. That can't be a happy marriage.
Jada seems pretty happy with it
So are all of Jada's boyfriends
They have an open marriage. Is that still cheating?
I did a tiny bit of research into their relationship and who knows how accurate sources are which report on these matters, but from what I read Jada had one or more affairs and she later arranged with her husband to have an open marriage. So yes that's cheating. I.e. There were original rules, she broke the rules, then they changed the rules. The order of events matters.
It became an open marriage after she told him: "I'm having sex with lots of other guys. Either be a good cuck and deal with it, or I will take half of everything you own."
Will Will Smith rock Chris Rock? Yes! Will Smith will rock Chris Rock.
Would you have done the same?
So subjective tho, as we are not Will (experiences, DNA, etc, etc..)
But if we were 100% Will (i.e. a 100% clone), would have done the same thing…
Yeah for sure. I guess it’s hard to picture being in his shoes and we only see what happened in an instance, not the backstory.
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And if Will were Jeffry Dhamer then Will 100% would have eaten people after having sex with their corpses.
What's on Chris Rocks face?
Fresh Prints
Ooof savage 🤣
I stole it from Reddit. Every second comment is this gag.
Fresh Prints
Was he just Saving Face?
Brilliant !
There can be 100 people in a room.
99 won't slap you, but one Will
Even if he wanted to get physical.. Maybe not in a televised program that millions are watching and will for sure go viral?
Best to handle it like an adult though, and not resort to assault.
Yeah but i think the whole point was that his wife got humiliated publicly, so he wanted to humiliate Chris Rock publicly
The joke spoke for itself…probably would have embarrassed Chris Rock in the post-mortem of the night anyway. That and the trope he rolled out beforehand along the lines of men having to pacify hysterical wives - Ok…I laughed, but they were pretty cheap jokes.
And Smith was a dick for reacting like that.
Nobody wins.
This poll is crazy, you can't just whack people in the head because they said words. Yeah it bruised Smith's ego to have millions of people and his peers laugh at his wife's head, but you don't just punch people over a bruised ego, it's not a legal defence. I would absolutely press charges against anyone who did that to me.
I agree with you, and I’m hoping the majority does as well, however I’m sure some will not. Perhaps those that say otherwise can post their reasoning.
Interestingly, he was laughing as well until he saw his wifes reaction and then got upset about it.
Just chill - sure it was a low blow but violence to a simple remark is not the message you want to send to people, especially when you're in the public eye and idolised by people.
he was laughing as well until he saw his wifes reaction and then got upset about it.
This is true, though he could have been laughing out of nervousness.
Either way, if he saw his wife upset, the sane thing would have been to comfort her, not walk on the stage and clap the host…
The laughing thing is overplayed. In the moment event does what's expected, in this case to smile and laugh. He had cameras on him at a comedy show in the front seat.
Caveat I'd never assault someone like he did and he's a dick.
Words can cause great harm and for young women mental health issues often revolve around body image and looks.
This would be a huge deal for Jada and other young female alopecia sufferers.
Within the same month, ago a 12 year old girl committed suicide after being bullied over her alopecia in USA.
Chris' face will heal within a day, she and other girls with similar issues could be hurt for a long time.
Chris was way out of line, and anyone who's been close to a young female with body image related mental health issues will understandShould Will have bitch slapped him - no.
Should consequences have come to Chris Rock for being such an ass - yes.If Jada is that ashamed of people talking about her own hair thens he should have worn a hat or a wig. But she wasn't that ashamed of it because she wore her shaved head proud on one of the most public events of the year, knowing that the camera will be on her when Will's nomination was announced. And why shouldn't she, her shaved hair and head look good. It was rude of the comedian to make a fairly tame joke about a symptom of her very serious illness, he shouldn't have done it. But it was just a tame joke. Do we live in a world now where comedians at comedy clubs have to believe a patron could get up and punch them for telling a joke now that Will Smith made it okay? Can a coworker just punch you if you make a joke they don't like a work? Can a random in the supermarket punch you if they overhear you making a joke they don't like?
Absolutely ridiculous. Women should be far more concerned about living in a world where men believe it is okay to whack someone in the head for saying something they didn't like. 1 in 3 women have experienced physical violence at the hands of their boyfriends and husbands precisely because apparently 1 in 3 men believe it is okay to just punch people just for saying or doing something they didn't like.
The girl who committed suicide tried wearing wigs.
Chris Rock's own documentary about hair talked about why some women choose not to wear wigs.
It was not a tame joke. Mental health and bullying is a far more long-term damaging issue than an open palmed slap that won't leave any long lasting damage.No you shouldn't be able to slap someone like that, we are somewhat in agreement, but "ridiculous" and "far more concerned"… hmmm…Body image, young girls and bullying and mental health issues and suicide is a far bigger issue than you clearly give credit.
Will should have taken a high road and used his speech to condemn it. I'm not defending what Will did. However I'm trying to shed light on the poor taste joke at her expense that started it that seems to be drastically overlooked by how much harm that could cause by most on here.
@MrFrugalSpend: If jokes hurt more than punching someone in the face, why didn't Will Smith just make a joke about Chris Rock's appearance instead? And would it have been better if Rock walked over and punched Jada in the face then yelled obscenities at her from across the room, it would have hurt her less according to you.
@AustriaBargain: I'm not sure what point you've tried to make here.
It's kind of comparing apples and oranges. Are you saying the words can't hurt someone? or are you trying to directly compare a short-term physical pain level of the slap on some sort of even scale with piling on mental abuse, perhaps to weigh up if you think its 'even' hurt somehow?
I'm also not saying Will Smith had the right reaction, so I can't see why I'd defend it - however I doubt in his rage jokes were what was coming to mind.
So, to clarify, are you saying Jada Pinkett Smith shouldn't / wouldn't have been hurt by Chris Rock's words? - as to me there was clearly a sensitive issue which hurt her?
@MrFrugalSpend: I think Jada is not a girl at all and is a grown woman who is perfectly capable of speaking for herself. Jada has every right to be offended, but her rights stop there. Neither she nor her husband has the right to hit anyone over what was said. For all we know Jada would have been fine at the end of the night and now she feels even worse for what Will did. Maybe Jada would have preferred Will didn't do that and is going through unnecessary distress over the whole thing now.
@AustriaBargain: I think you are ignoring what I am saying. Let me clarify - Will did the wrong thing. Will should not have hit Chris.
And yes, I agree, she probably does feel worse for what he did, drawing attention to it… but drawing attention to something Chris said - he started as the antagonist making a joke about a medical condition that impacts female body image - yet many people on here talk about him like some sort of hero in this.You brushed it off as a bruised ego - "bruised ego to have millions of people and his peers laugh at his wife's head". My point is its way more than that. That's all. I'm not defending Will acting violently.
As for the grown woman thing, speaking for herself, they were there because of Will's nomination - he should have been the butt of the jokes if anything.
As for the 'according to you' comparisons…
Chris is feeling pretty okay right now, he's come off fairly lightly over this and his face pain from his face slap has healed. People are generally ignoring his poor taste joke and focusing more on Will being violent.
Meanwhile, Jada still dies a little more inside each time she looks in the mirror and tries unsuccessfully to re-assure herself that she looks great (as a looks-based celebrity) as her appearance is important to her self-confidence. According to you, she isn't hurt by Chris piling onto that abuse, busting her bubble that she tells herself that no one thinks it stands out, it is nothing other than a great look and no one is looking at it judgingly that she lives with every day and didn't choose? Her ability to come out publicly probably depends on telling herself that. You may have no idea how big an issue such things can be for some women, young or old.So again I'm a little confused what you are coming back retorting. My comment to you was his words can cause harm - you still disagree?
Even when presented with the argument that mothers of girls who have committed suicide over being bullied about their alopecia baldness are trying to raise awareness? No harm will come?@MrFrugalSpend: My point is that the harm of a GI Jane joke doesn't even factor into this. It doesn't excuse what Will did in the slightest, no more than if Rock had made a joke about Hitler's moustache. You can't just hit people because they make a GI Jane joke about a shaved headed woman. There is no "but he made a joke about…", there's no ifs ands or buts. What Will did was 100% inexcusable, illegal, and excusing this kind of violence is far more damaging to women than anything Rock did that night.
@AustriaBargain: I almost thought I was going to agree with you right up until again you said "this kind of violence is far more damaging to women than anything Rock did that night." No there should not have been physical violence, but why you need to keep putting this "far more damaging" type claim forward, again trying to put it on the scales of even comparisons, belittling the hurt that can come of the verbal abuse is where I must agree to disagree.
Mental illness and depression is terrible - ruins lives - I know some sufferers.
Body image amongst females is the biggest contributor. Clearly Jada was suffering of such to ellicit this reaction - that is what I take away from it.
Associated suicide kills people - lots of them.Again, I don't want to resort to belittling the physical violence which shouldn't have happened either… but if that's how to make the point on your level - don't know of many people who died from getting open palm slapped. Why you must assert that is sooo much worse is not something I will agree on. Both are bad. It was not a mere bruised ego. So we can end the debate there if you like. Clearly we have a long way to come with awareness of this issue as a society.
@MrFrugalSpend: I think Jada should just speak for herself. She's got strangers all over the world telling her how she should feel about the joke. She probably couldn't comment freely now even if she wanted to, with Will's career at stake obviously whatever her true feelings are is irrelevant, she can probably now only say whatever it is that will help their family continue to earn enough to maintain their lifestyle and help save the Smith legacy.
@MrFrugalSpend: I agree with both of you on certain points and being a millennial myself, I think people need to get thicker skin (I mention this because my generation is known as the pantsy generation who breakdown over smallest things ever - kind of true!). On one hand yes I agree with @MrFrugalSpend, mental health is an important thing. However silencing everyone and censoring people labelling it as "HATE SPEECH" or "HURT MY FEELINGS" is the path way to 1984 (OH SOCIETY SHOULD CHANGE NOT ME! - this is rubbish!!! To be nonfunctional person with huge mental issues and force everyone else to "deal" with them). Grow up and get thicker skin. Mental health goes both ways, like maybe backing yourself, work on your insecurities and realise its a joke or if not then WHO CARES, they are a random on the street who probably isn't a great person. On the other hand @AustraBargain I agree with you too, however there is a saying that everyone has, "if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say it" - I think when it comes to strangers we should be nicer.
Now regarding Will Smith and Chris Rock, I think clearly the Smith were wrong on this one. Chris Rock is funny and his jokes are offensive but everyone knows its a joke. Except Jada who can't take a little bit of cr_p as a joke. Just take a joke, no one is going to remember it the next day. Now everyone remembers this and for a very long time, all cause how the Smiths reacted. Good job, tw_ts.
@MrFrugalSpend: Wtf does the fact that the girl who committed suicide, tried to wear wigs, have to do with the comment you replied to? We're talking about Will and Jada. You're stretching.
If your wife/daughter struggles with the disease and someone makes a stupid joke at her expense it would be offending no? Slapping someone is a nono but joke was more than tame, it was a offensive.
@dydudy789: You have the right to be offended. You don't have the right to assault or batter people.
Watching so much Judge Judy has taught me that Will is wrong in the eyes of the law.
who knows if the person is okay with it or not,
In this case … we all knew.
She had spoken about it, and had said she doesn't care what people think about it.
Of course, Will laughing initially, and then losing it says a lot. Perhaps because it took a while for him to realise what the joke was.
not caring what people think is different from having jokes made at your expense, much less on international television. everyone has problems that they have come to accept, but that doesn't mean they are okay with others joking about it.
i think it's because he realised that his wife didn't appreciate the joke
not caring what people think is different from having jokes made at your expense,
It means exactly that. It means you're not embarrassed by it, because embarrassment is based on how you think other people think.
You can't say "I don't care what people think about me", and then get all snippy when someone proves you do, indeed, care about what people think.
The best response to the joke would have been Jada yelling "I'll kick your ass!!" as a GI would.
@photonbuddy: not caring what people think =/= okay with jokes being made about you on international television
it's also not an invitation for people to start making jokes about it
not caring what people think =/= okay with jokes being made about you on international television
I have to disagree. As soon as you say you don't care what people think, you're saying it's OK to make jokes, because you don't care what people think.
Now … I have to admit, I didn't get it for quite some time, thinking Jada had been in said new movie, but once I got it, I still don't think the reaction was in any way OK.
I also don't think she is thin skinned either, though. If she was that, she'd just wear a wig. She can certainly afford a professional one that no-one would be able to tell the difference.
Sounds like Jada has thin skin…
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and hair. *baddum tish*
@Scrooge McDuck: Meanwhile, at Scrooge McDuck's house
Knock Knock…
Who's there…
It is I, Will…
I, Will who…
I Will bitch slap you when you open that door next Scrooge!
Just because your wife doesn't appreciate the joke doesn't give you the right to smack someone.
but that doesn't mean they are okay with others joking about it
I don't think the issue is about them 'feeling upset'. They are entitled to their feelings.
The issue is how Will responded and escalated the situation.When Will noticed that Jada was upset he could have comforted her and used words to defend her instead of risking going to jail, being thrown out or injuring Chris Rock.
Agree with you Alasdair.
In modern society we should recognise that "sticks and stones" adage is bullsh!te.
Words can cause great harm and for young women mental health issues often revolve around body image and looks.
This would be a huge deal for Jada and other young female alopecia sufferers.
Within the same month, ago a 12 year old girl committed suicide after being bullied over her alopecia in USA.
Chris' face will heal within a day, she and other girls with similar issues could be hurt for a long time.
Where's the who gives a rats option
🏆 Most valuable comment award for this thread.
Thanks (and thanks to all who upvoted to make the hit a hit LOL)!!!
The lesson of the day is that it's okay to hit someone if they're rich, famous, same-sex and of the same colour.
The lesson of the day is that it's okay to hit someone if you're rich and famous
Will Smith needs all four conditions to get away with it.
Imagine if Will hit Ellen or if he was white and hit Chris or white and hit Ellen.
The MSM would 💥 up.
If he hit a white male it would be no different, probably celebrated by some MSM.
Ellen is just as famous and likely more powerful than Will therefore that wouldn’t be ok. If he hit a poor women it’s likely it would be swept under the rug or justified as a “mental health emergency”.
Where's the no one fcking cares option
You cared enough to come here and write that though
That's a slap worthy comment
Two people did the wrong thing. Rock shouldn’t have made fun of Pinkett Smith’s appearance. Smith shouldn’t have hit Rock. Violence isn’t the answer and it was disproportionate. Smith would have been better off publicly shaming Rock for his poor comedy.
Would I have done the same thing? Unlikely as I don’t tend to become physically violent when I’m angry. I’ve been known to snap unkind words at people though.
If Smith didn’t react as he did I doubt anyone would have called out Rock on his unkind ‘joke’. Rock publicly humiliating someone for hair loss should also be condemned.
No idea why you have been negged, you are 100% spot on. Two people did the wrong thing. I usually like Chris Rock, but jokes to females about body image are way out of line.
In 2022 we should be way beyond thinking words can't cause people severe harm.Chris Rock's face won't be sore within a day - Jada and other sufferers, particularly young and female will have a blow to their self-confidence and mental wellbeing that could last years. It was a terrible joke about a medical condition.
Jada got famous off her looks, her subsequent baldness will have ignorant people judge her daily. Many people in that situation would risk mental health issues, becoming a recluse. That joke would have cut deep. Much deeper than a face slap.
Read the bottom part of this article:
"Rock's joke came almost two weeks after hundreds of students staged a walk-out at a middle school in Indiana following the suicide of one of their classmates, 12-year-old Rio Allred. Ms Allred's parents told local media their daughter, who had alopecia, had been mercilessly bullied since her hair began falling out."
Australian Katie Hale, who lives with alopecia said "Why this incident is so particularly traumatic, is because it reminds you that this is still happening every single day," she said. "It brings up those little trauma responses that constantly happen, and I don't think people quite realise how front of mind this is in terms of people who've got alopecia, and that this is an everyday experience.
Our bodies are not public domain. They are not a line in a joke—especially when the transformation is not of our choosing. I’m a survivor of violence. I'm a proud Alopecian. The psychological toll we carry daily is real. Team Jada always. That’s that on that." - @AyannaPressley
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-29/chris-rock-slap-will-…
No idea why you have been negged, you are 100% spot on
I’d say their last paragraph. The actors/actresses get used to being spoken of their appearance and shouldn’t care - albeit according to Will himself might get hurt and do nothing. I don’t think it’s an apples for apples comparison to that article
@morse & @MrFrugalSpend not sure why you were negged. Very valid points. I agree with both of you.
Rock was wrong about making that kind of joke and Will overreacted.Seems this thread is only one sided and whoever says otherwise is negged.
obviously didnt learn how to punch during filming of Ali, what a pathetic bitch slap
Smith may have played Ali, but in reality he only got into one little fight, and his mum got scared….
I would say a bitch slap has a more humiliating element to it than a punch.
the whole point of the slap is to humiliate him, he wasn't trying to beat his ass
When you laugh at a joke about your wife, realise she didn't laugh, and then try over compensate because she's mad at you…
That sums it up perfectly.
Yeah that's whats made me vote against Will - if he hadn't initially laughed, I'd still be against his response but understand (without knowing what was actually said).
But he initially laughed, and then went and slapped Chris? WTF?
It is normal Oscars behaviour, you have to be laughing and smiling all the time in case the camera lands on you. He probably wasn't really listening to begin with.
Right normal Oscar behavior..then goes and slaps a guy
He was probably just going with the audience, not even listening. And then he digested what Chris just said
totally - a nervous laugh, processing the joke, smiling and pretending everything is okay - then seeing how hurt is wife was and anger building
@MrFrugalSpend: Or entirely not even getting the joke and pretending to laugh until a while later. I didn't even understand what Chris Rock said and then when I saw it written down I still didn't get it until a Redditor explained.
And the Oscar for best toxic masculinity endorsement goes to ….
Funny how I'm seeing so many stories of celebs comforting Will Smith.
They're supporting him because Jada is getting rekt by other males?
Maybe she said to Will "Tu Pac wouldn't stand for that"?
Will Smith is no 2Pac.
One is a legend and the other one is an actor/rapper.
If she doesn't find alopecia jokes funny, that's hair loss
to me it looked like a PR stunt i think it was staged
yep, missing that poll option
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I thought it might have been until Will started shouting - you could see tears in his eyes.
Then the awkward bit after Chris tried to pull things back on track.But kudos to him for keeping his cool and professionalism.
Imagine what would have happened if this (how can she slap!) had happened instead, and everyone piled on Will Smith… now that would have been entertainment!
Yeah he looked like he does anytime he has to cry on screen…
What about Will Smith then shouting 'Keep my wife's name out of your f****** mouth!'?
He shouted that twice, no one really laughed or anything when that happened.
I was almost certain this was a levity thread by the title.