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  • -7

    this or hodl for M3?

    • +15

      May as well wait for the M4 I'd say.

      • +6

        I hear M5 is what everyone should wait for

        • +3

          Nah nah clearly M6 is what we should wait for

          • +8

            @Pugkin: Look, all i'm saying is if you wait 10 years, the M10 Pro will be out

            • +5

              @[Deactivated]: And they'll name it the MX.

            • +16

              @[Deactivated]: if you wait long enough you will die and dont have to buy anything. big savings

              • +4

                @snvl: I declare snvl the winner of this round

      • Make sure you get the A1 version.

    • +4

      If you can find an M3 for ~$3-4k, I say take it.

      Even if it's got rust or VANOS issues you'll come out ahead, and if it's an E30 or E36 they're really only going up in value, quite rapidly.

    • I would hodl to find out how widespread the apple screen cracking issue is.
      Looks like it's mainly on the air but someone does also say 14" MacBook Pro
      https://origin-discussions2-us-dr-prz.apple.com/en/thread/25…

  • +6

    Note the 256gb M2 has a $100 higher RRP than direct from Apple. The 10% listed saving is not truely accurate.

    • +2

      The Amazon listing is for the Pro, not the Air. The Pro retails for more than the Air.

    • +1

      The 256gb Pro is $1999 direct from Apple
      https://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch

    • And direct from apple is already extortionate, $200 for 8gb of memory

    • +1

      I think this issue only impacts the m2 laptops with 256GB. The M1 / M1 Pro have fast SSD for 256GB. That being said it might be worthwhile to get larger storage since 256GB is barely enough these days.

      Edit: was meant to reply this on different reply

      • no, it is M2

  • +5

    Also recommend buying 512gb SSD on any Mac model for the time being. Their 256gb drive cuts performance (even across the cpu) by as much as 50% due to only having a single NAND chip.

    Strange but that is what is being regularly reported by tech reviewers.

    • Yes, with that price drop the 512 is tempting and space…

    • +1

      I may be wrong (only vaguely familiar with how computers work) but my understanding was that the use of the single chip throttles performance because it's being used for RAM as well as storage? So not only does your file transfer speed suffer (for obvious reasons), but once you're near the storage limit you'll start to run into RAM issues.

      Again, this might be totally wrong but it's based on a few reviews I read/watched a while back and my own experience with the M1 macbook air (which does not have this problem afaik).

      • +9

        Other way around.

        Apple aggressively use swap space to offset the measly amount of RAM they ship in their products. As you approach filling up your RAM (ie. as you get closer to 8GB used for an 8GB model), macOS will start moving things between your RAM and your SSD to make sure your applications don't crash when they run out of memory. SSDs are already 100's of times slower than main system memory, but this is only exacerbated by the much slower SSD in the 256GB models, meaning applications will feel sluggish if they're needing to be swapped to the SSD in these models. Add to that the fact smaller SSDs have lower total lifetime writes, and I wouldn't be surprised if the 256GB SSD in the 8GB model was dead after 5 years of standard use.

        I still can't believe 16GB isn't the base memory configuration for these devices in 2022. It's next to impossible to do anything serious and stay healthily under that 8GB mark these days.

        • +2

          Ahhh i gotcha - that's what I meant but I think I explained it poorly. It uses the SSD when the RAM is full, right?

          Do you know if they applied that system for the M1 Air?

          I still can't believe 16GB isn't the base memory configuration for these devices in 2022. It's next to impossible to do anything serious and stay healthily under that 8GB mark these days.

          Look to be honest, I would have 100% agreed with you prior to using the M1 Air but it really doesn't need it for most people.

          I drive this thing way harder than it has any right to go - multitasking, like 6 browser windows open with 50 tabs each (ADHD, sorry - if I close a window it's gone forever and it might have good things in it lmao!), running CPU and RAM intensive game (Football Manager), MS Teams, MS Remote, Spotify app, youtube windows open - and it really only STARTS to suffer when I've been doing that for quite a while. Realistically, that's not what most people are gonna be doing and it's really not what I should be doing either but I'm an idiot. So from that perspective, if they can make it work for 99% of people who will buy it, using just 8gb RAM, why should they put more in?

          • @jrowls:

            6 browser windows open with 50 tabs each

            If you're duplicating tabs, try out cmd+shift+A to search rather than reopen.

            • +2

              @ihfree: oh there's no duplication - it's all just research etc that I haven't had time / brain space to organise so i just keep it open rather than losing it. the simple 'solution' is to just quit the browser every now and then and open all the windows fresh, that way none of them are active.

              • @jrowls: If only browsers came with some kind of bookmark feature.

                • +2

                  @Randolph Duke: mate if i bookmark them they might as well be gone forever. same reason i don't put any paperwork away from my desk until it's actually been actioned.

                  • +1

                    @jrowls: I really love that you can group tabs on Chrome, except that it hogs the most ram of them all!

                    And yeah I'm the same way with bookmarking. It's like uni notes, it's where tabs go to die. I'll almost never open them again.

        • Its probably because most people dont need to do anything serious, so 8gb would be just fine. I bought a 2016 mbp with dual core i5 8gb for university work and been using it regularly for 6 years now, rarely come across any issues. If you plan on doing anything serious, the 14/16 pro models start with 16gb which makes sense.
          Still pretty scummy to downgrade the m2 256gb model tho.

  • +4

    These prices don't seem to beat AOC education pricing (the 1tb 14 & 512gb 16 is $3311 there), but I know a handful of people had concerns using that.

    https://www.apple.com/au_edu_801126/store

  • $3347 - - - Is this really a….. (Oz)bargain? 🤔

    • -2

      its an old model too.

    • +2

      head over to the $850 single dose coffee grinder page and you will see some people have spare money and like nice things ….. for some people, they would salary package or salary sacrifice so at 40c top tax rate , and then you could keep or sell it

    • +2

      With 24 votes it clearly is.

      • -6

        Yeah right. Apple is the epitome of the ultimate… rip-off merchant and the funny (sad really) thing is, people are so buying into these greatest swindles that are all of Apple products.

        What's next on their hair-raising scheme, using last year's tech or so CPU (innards) on their latest iPhone model? Wouldn't be a surprise if they do. Sheesh!

  • -2

    old model.

    • +1

      Where is the new model?

      • -1

        due to be released next month. with the M2 chips.

        • +1

          Source?

    • +1

      This is a current model.

  • +1

    what's the go with amazon not having the 16GB Ram models of the Air M2? I've only really been able to find them at Apple

    • There’s no 16gb RAM model of the Air, they’re all 8gb only, with more RAM available as an option.

      Apple retailers rarely have stock of models with optional extras, and only typically the highest spec model with all the trimmings if they do.

      If you need 16gb of RAM, order from the Edu store. With that discount the RAM upgrade is basically ‘free’.

    • +2

      Amazon and most retailers only stock the "baseline" configs of Apple hardware. This is why you can get 16GB RAM versions of the 14" and 16" M1 Pro/Max MacBook Pros at a discount on Amazon, because the baseline models come with 16GB of RAM as standard. This is not the case with the consumer models such as the MBA, or even the 13" MBP which only have 8GB RAM as standard.

      I've seen some exceptions — sometimes Officeworks sells the 16GB RAM Mac mini models at a discount, but that is relatively rare.
      https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/mac-mini-8…

      I heard that some retailers may be willing to order a BTO model (custom order) in for you (at the discounted price) if you ask, but YMMV, and you'll usually have to wait quite a few weeks for it to arrive.

  • Is 13" MacBook Pro (512GB) for $2,067 a good deal? Sorry not overly familiarised with Apple pricing and upcoming releases that might affect the price on older models.

    We have a 7 year old MacBook, it's still working well but battery is starting to play up again (already replaced once last year).

    Thinking about may be it's time for a new one.

    • +1

      Do you need the Pro? An M1 with 512gb and 16gb RAM would be $600 cheaper (without any discount) and would probably do the job. I have a base model M1 and there are very few circumstances in the real world where my mate's M1 pro outperforms it.

      • Thanks, will look into the Air. Some years ago the Air was like a major step down, but looks like it's now more of a regular MacBook but lighter and thinner. It should out perform the 12" MacBook from 7 years ago.

        • Pro nowadays is literally for professionals, who do video editing/design for a living.

        • 100% - I've had Airs since they were new, and the old one was definitely a major downgrade (whilst still being better in a lot of ways than similar PCs), but this one is honestly ridiculous. Read my comment further up for an idea of how it performs.

      • +1

        I think he was talking about the m2 macbook pro 13 linked in the description, not the 14 m1 pro that would be like 2.7-3k.
        If you're just looking for a 512gb macbook, I would probably avoid the M2 macbook pro linked in the description. It has a 2016 design which is pretty old now and uses a gimmicky touchbar instead of the function keys row.
        If you're happy to pay a bit more, I'd go with a 512gb M2 air for $2.2k instead which just came out, is a decent amount lighter and adds a Magsafe charging port. Only downside would be slightly less battery and operates fanless but so does your 12inch Macbook which didn't seem like a problem.
        M1 air however, is probably the best value at 1.8k for 512gb model. You do miss out on things like: 100 nits of brightness (20% less), a better 1080p webcam and fast charging compared to the M2 models

        • It's actually for my daughter, the MacBook has survived the entire high school, amazingly and still going strong after one semester of uni. Lately there are notifications about battery needing service, which prompted me may be it's time for a refresh. Was initially thinking about the "pro" because she's studying science and engineering, I figured a more powerful machine is required.

          • @browser: science and engineering programs can be run just fine on the air if they can be run on the pro - i would estimate that her problem would be compatibility before it's capability.

            i'm not in engineering but i don't think the most common programs run too well / at all on mac. I suggest you get her to ask her studymates/tutors what to do. maybe a mac would work OK in first year whilst learning principles, but start to run out of compatability when programs get involved. if you google 'macbook m1 (or m2 as it were) engineering reddit' there are a bunch of threads with more info that would be useful vs me guessing.

            • +1

              @jrowls: Thanks for the pointers, will asked her, will let her decide rather than me guessing. :)

          • +1

            @browser: Common engineering and math software like Matlab, Creo, SolidWorks, Autodesk products and the like do not require much computing power. Stuff like video editing and gaming is way more resource intensive.

    • +3

      Is 13" MacBook Pro (512GB) for $2,067 a good deal?

      Don't do it, it's an ancient piece of crap with a 720p webcam. There is zero reason to get this shameful dinosaur.

      Get the M1 or M2 MacBook Air, or stretch your budget further and go for the 14" MBP.

      (Note that the M1 MBA still has the 720p webcam, but at least it's priced reasonably, unlike the 13" MBP).

      • +1

        Thanks, didn't know that the 13" pro is dated, was under the impression that it's more up to date than the 14/16" pro because it has the M2 chip.

        • +1

          Yeah the lineup is pretty confusing. The M2 is an incremental improvement over the base M1 chip, but the M1 Pro and M1 Max are significantly more powerful in most scenarios so they are still better choices if you're willing to pay extra.

          The 13" M2 MBP is just straight-up trash though, literally nothing has changed in it over the years except it now has the M2 chip, that's all. Definitely not worth it unless it's being sold at a very deep discount, which it isn't.

  • -7

    16gb ram lol!
    My 2014 uni PC had that.
    Now running 64GB with 2TB SSDs for under $3k

    • Memory works differently with the M1 chip

      • Only to a degree. The design does allow the GPU and CPU to work on the same memory. Random article on the topic

        At the end of the day, RAM is RAM. You'll still run into problems if you're short of it. You should still be choosing a configuration based on what you plan to do.

    • -1

      you have no idea

      • Desktop vs laptop is not comparable
      • Do you even utilize the 64GB ram?
      • I've been using 36GB every month so that leaves 28gb utilised, but it was built to be future proof for the next 5 years at least = )

    • +3 e-peen points

      • Thanks mate, was running low.

        Basically if you gonna drop over $3k on a machine you can get more bang for your buck without needing the brand. No need to display i-peen points either 😅

        • Please give an example of such a system.

          • @ihfree: https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/laptops-&-notebooks/lapt…

            This is a 32GB version for $2200 (also more than 12-core CPU) but go figure.
            If you do it yourself you can save even more and get higher specs.

            Mine is running the 12700h which well outperforms the M1:
            https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/intel-core-i7-12700h-v…

            • +1

              @Exprise: Lol, that's not comparable.

              CPU:

              • From your review page: M1 - Consumes up to 69% less energy than the Core i7 12700H – 14 vs 45 Watt

              Battery:

              • HP: Up to 12 hours and 15 minutes with 51whr battery (No usage scenario specified - probably just on)
              • 100-watt-hour lithium-polymer battery3 - Up to 14 hours wireless web/Up to 21 hours Apple TV app movie playback

              Screen:

              • Full HD vs 3456-by-2234
              • HP: only 45% NSTC
              • Likely 60hz vs ProMotion technology for adaptive refresh rates up to 120Hz
              • HP 250 nits vs "Apple says the new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro's MiniLED display can reach 1,600 nits of peak brightness on highlights or 1,000 nits of full-screen brightness.

              Build:

              • HP: Other than that, you get an aluminium lid and a plastic base
              • MBP: full aluminium

              Audio:

              • Dual stereo speakers
              • High-fidelity six-speaker sound system with force-cancelling woofer
              • MBP also allows you to run high impedance headphones

              Camera:

              • HP: 720p HD IR privacy camera
              • 1080p FaceTime HD camera
  • These are the best laptops on the market if anyone's interested.

  • +2

    This isn't an especially good deal. Officeworks have had 10% off apple for a about 3 weeks now.

    Officeworks same prices:
    https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/macbook-pr…
    https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/macbook-pr…

  • +1

    Looks to be slightly cheaper on eBay. Found one for $3300 flat.

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/155139139169?epid=23050317518&ha…

  • Had been this price for several months now where is the deal?

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