[VIC] Up to Full HECS Undergrad Subsidies, Part Postgrad Scholarships for Nursing & Midwifery Degrees for Victorian Students

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[VIC] Up to Full HECS Undergrad Subsidies, Part Postgrad Scholarships for Nursing & Midwifery Degrees for Victorian Students
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Taegukgi on 28/08/2022 - 14:09 premier.vic.gov.au (5393 clicks)
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Be the next Gaylord Focker.

More than 10,000 students will have the cost of their nursing or midwifery undergraduate studies paid for, while scholarships will be available for thousands more who complete postgraduate studies in areas of need including intensive care, cancer care, paediatrics and nurse practitioner specialities.

All new domestic students enrolling in a professional-entry nursing or midwifery course in 2023 and 2024 will receive a scholarship of up to $16,500 to cover course costs.

Students will receive $9,000 while they study and the remaining $7,500 if they work in Victorian public health services for two years.

Daniel Andrews - “If you’re in Year 12 and you’ve been thinking about studying nursing or midwifery – go for it. We’ve got your HECS fees covered.”

Applications to courses are currently open via VTAC.

Education Nursing Postgraduate Undergraduate University Degree

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        • CharlesLee on 28/08/2022 - 16:05
          +1

          It's true, I work in QLD, made just over 100K my second year out. Mainly due to plenty of overtime and weekend shifts. Working a standard monday - friday, no overtime schedule would most certainly not give you 100K. Also depends whether you work for a public vs private hospital.

        • greatlamp on 28/08/2022 - 16:11

          RN easily makes ~ $80k, and that is before considering overtime and penalties. Not $100 for 37.5 hours unless they are casual

        • clubhonda on 28/08/2022 - 16:18

          @AirbusA389 It's true. Nurses can make a lot of money depending on how much shift work they take on. $100k is even on the lower side.

          • minatosensei on 28/08/2022 - 16:39
            +2

            @clubhonda: Im a new grad, just started this year as RN in nsw. $32 per hour. Without wknds or overtime its pretty low pay. $1900 after tax.
            You have no choice but to do overtime and wknds to get ahead. 50-60 hour weeks are normal for me now to make up for the loss.
            Once u hit R8 after 8 years. I think it roughly $45 an hour and ur stuck there forever unless you study more.
            Its so dire that as a new grad im in charge of the ward alot of the time. Which i shouldnt be.

            • AirbusA389 on 28/08/2022 - 17:08

              @minatosensei: $32 ph is not much. and why would a new grad be in charge of a ward? surely there's more senior RN2-3 nurses around?

              $32 ph isn't far from minimum wage. Western NSW Health handing out $10k carrots to go there.

              i'm a cleaner in a hospital in Tas. my base rate is $26ph! no need degree. minimum responsibilities. i dont clean poo. that's a nurse's job.

              • minatosensei on 28/08/2022 - 17:29
                +2

                @AirbusA389: understaffing in the hospital forces me to be in charge.. in theory i shouldnt be in charge, but i am alot of the time.
                im already thinking this isnt what i signed up for.. maybe going back to disability support work for $32 an hour is the go, lets stress but the pay doesnt go up. With nursing it goes up slightly every year until R8 and at $45 id say is alot better. but its a hard slog to get there
                i work in sydney. would never go rural, with staffing already dire in Sydney i can only imagine how bad it is out there.

                • Bargain Slut on 31/08/2022 - 20:59

                  @minatosensei: Regional but not fully rural, was probably the smart play (I say 'was' because even regional house prices in NSW are stupid now). I don't know how the average nurse in Sydney can afford to live in the community they serve. Living in Sydney often only means you have a longer commute to work at the end of a nightshift half the time.

            • AirbusA389 on 28/08/2022 - 17:10

              @minatosensei: just curious - where are u located? regional or rural?

            • Icecold5000 on 28/08/2022 - 17:59
              +2

              @minatosensei: Yeah, a lot of times weekend shifts are taken up by the NUMs favourites as well. The pay at grad level is a joke considering the anti-social hours and the responsibility you have. My friend was getting $880 after tax with no shift allowances. It’s better to work nightfill in a supermarket.

              • vash5 on 28/08/2022 - 21:41
                +1

                @Icecold5000:

                My friend was getting $880 after tax with no shift allowances. It’s better to work nightfill in a supermarket

                Can confirm this. I was clearing 1200-1400 a week after tax as a casual doing night fill.

                10pm-6am, no customer, keeps you fit and little responsibility. Its fast paced and not for everyone.

                BUT those days are over because they jave stopped night fill (only 6-11pm now) and Dans bullshit cv jab was thr final nail in the coffin for me.

                • Icecold5000 on 29/08/2022 - 10:17
                  +1

                  @vash5: Don’t forget if you make a mistake you can be dragged in front of a tribunal and subjected to a trial, lose or have your registration suspended at an early stage of your career where you’re expected to to take a full patient load when your clinical judgement is limited. If people knew what grad year nursing was really like it would take more than 16k to take the course

                  • lancesta on 29/08/2022 - 11:43

                    @Icecold5000: Some of the engineering jobs are like this too. A stat role where you have that job, with long hours but usually normal times (7am-4pm) can net you around 350k. So it's not exactly a fair comparison. Doing shift work and working heaps of overtime is a recipe for mistakes to be made

                    • Icecold5000 on 29/08/2022 - 12:32

                      @lancesta: Clinical judgement take a while to develop and you need a senior nurse to help you learn who already has their own patient load. Heard some horror stories out of ED. The last two years have hollowed out the workforce of senior clinicians. $350k with no shifts in front of a PC sounds like the bees knees.

          • M00Cow on 28/08/2022 - 18:56

            @clubhonda: No, $100k is not a lot of money id you're working rotating shifts, casual, weekends,.etc.

            Plenty of 4th year apprentices make that…plumbers, sparkies, builders, brickies, air cond, etc etc.

            I love how people.are Bagging out nurses for making lots of money they need to work lots of unsociable hours in shitty conditions and even worse, the govt wastes even more money on contractors whom do nothing for the patient's, the hospital, etc.

            • AirbusA389 on 28/08/2022 - 19:38

              @M00Cow: does sparkies 4th year apprentices really make 100k? is it the norm or just a few lucky ones?

              nurses on a general ward typically make between 60 - 80k gross on average. 100k is usually for those who does a lot of doubles or casual / agency nurses due to the casual loading. i have seen so many nurses trying to do more overtime to try to get their mortgages approved. they are only after 500k-600k mortgages for a modest 2-bedroom or 3 bedroom house in tasmania.

              • lancesta on 29/08/2022 - 11:41

                @AirbusA389: I doubt it regarding sparkies unless they're in the mines doing shift work or something.

        • Bargain Slut on 31/08/2022 - 20:53

          A lot of nurses in my family, depending on what overtime you are willing to submit yourself to $150k is not impossible.

          This being said, the hours suck, the conditions suck, the job is hard, plenty of (profanity) patients and visitors that you have no choice but to treat regardless of how they treat you.

          If nursing paid 6 figure graduate salaries I still wouldn't have touched it personally.

          • AirbusA389 on 31/08/2022 - 21:23

            @Bargain Slut: my close friend is an enrolled nurse (diploma holder). She's left with 14 weeks of unpaid placement left in her RN degree. 3.5 years into her job. she has no motivation to complete the degree. my hospital treats casual nurses like tissue paper. some wards can have 50-70% casual staff in any given shift, yet casual nurses are the most looked down upon by perm staff. i dont blame the casual staff not wanting to go to certain wards; they have dignity too.

            i'm a cleaner. people literally treat me as transparent until they need me. i can stand beside them to listen to their conversations without them realising. not as if i care about the content.

    • JuryWheel on 28/08/2022 - 14:59
      +1

      I wouldn't get into nursing if you are after money….they are paid well but the work can be hard. Better off being a fireman/firewomen….no uni degree needed either!

      • Gervais fanboy on 28/08/2022 - 15:02
        +4

        I know this won’t go do well but I have to say it

        I know so many African and Asian nurses (immigrants and not 2nd generation) that don’t whinge about Nursing like the locally born nurses do.

        Maybe it’s a cultural thing or just how people are bred here to be soo soft and sensitive.

        • easternculture on 28/08/2022 - 15:07
          -2

          African and Asian nurses

          Because they are here for the money.

          If you went overseas to work for money, im pretty sure you would keep your mouth shut and just do whatever your told to do

          • Gervais fanboy on 28/08/2022 - 15:11
            +11

            @easternculture: Don’t we all work for money though ?

            Isn’t that the primary incentive ?

            If you went overseas to work for money, im pretty sure you would keep your mouth shut and just do whatever your told to do

            Wow, real classy.

          • M00Cow on 28/08/2022 - 19:13
            +1

            @easternculture: Matey, you really should think before you post. The nurses, doctors, etc in the public system really don't get paid for the work they do or the hours.they work.

            I had a mate who worked in DHS Vic about 10yrs ago, he earnt $300k+ at the time, in DHS and his job was to let the department know about how long it took various types of patients to get in, get seen and leave. Then he moved to Education.

            The govt wastes much more money on consultants, etc. I witnessed the VicGov wasting $250k paying one of the big four accounting firms to investigate a leak to The Age of an announcement scheduled for 7 days later. The idiots couldn't even really prove anything and suggested the govt spend another $250k furthering it.

            At least nurses help people

        • Bargain Slut on 31/08/2022 - 21:02

          Nursing will get you a ticket to stay in Australia, you will also be paid far more and live in far better conditions than you would have back home. This is not a sensible comparison.

  • easternculture on 28/08/2022 - 14:38
    +2

    And mandatory covid vaccine for life and whatever comes after. Good luck kiddo

    Become a tradie i.e. plumber, electrician, carpenter etc if you want the big bucks and own a house before you are 30

    • bakemon0 on 28/08/2022 - 14:56
      +9

      and wouldn't be able to pick up your kids when you're 35 lol

      two completely different professions, not sure what your point is

      • jv on 28/08/2022 - 15:01
        +7

        not sure what your point is

        Their point is the Earth is flat…

        • Gervais fanboy on 28/08/2022 - 15:04
          +1

          Have some integrity, jv mate.
          Just a tinge ?

      • easternculture on 28/08/2022 - 15:04
        +1

        Why not. Most 35y/o who worked hard own their own buisnesses and have time to drop off/pick up their kids.

        Not sure what your point is bud , you really do make a confusing argument

        • nomoneynoproblems on 28/08/2022 - 16:30
          +2

          The point is your body takes a thrashing. Most tradies I know have terrible backs and knees.

          • easternculture on 28/08/2022 - 16:49

            @nomoneynoproblems: Same as nurses.i know heaps of nurses with back, neck and joint problems from manual handling. A few of them are in their early 20s.
            Over 80% of hospital admissions are elderly, obese or bed ridden.
            Majority of them need assistance with everything.

            • nomoneynoproblems on 28/08/2022 - 17:02

              @easternculture: I know a few nurses myself that don't get the same injuries as tradies but ok, anecdotal and all.

              Still doesn't take away the fact that Tradies thrash their body. Over 100% of tradies lift heavy objects and work in tight spaces.

              Majority of them are cooked by the time they are 25.

              • easternculture on 28/08/2022 - 17:15
                +2

                @nomoneynoproblems: Yeh alright. I know 10s of tradies in their 30s and 40s and none are cooked.
                Infact that are fit and healthy.

              • Gervais fanboy on 28/08/2022 - 17:30

                @nomoneynoproblems: You make the smart point about how you were using anecdotal evidence and then in the very next paragraph you present more points based on anecdotal evidence. lol

      • Gervais fanboy on 28/08/2022 - 15:06

        and wouldn't be able to pick up your kids when you're 35 lol

        What are you talking about ?

        How is that at all relavent to @EC’s comment.

    • vash5 on 28/08/2022 - 15:53
      +1

      This!! 110%

  • ldq on 28/08/2022 - 14:40
    +5

    He does know how to do elections, doesn't he? Promise the world, deliver rubber bullets.

  • Stopback on 28/08/2022 - 14:44

    Lots of nursing students not enough spots to train them all. Much better importing them

    • greatlamp on 28/08/2022 - 16:13
      +2

      And pay unemployment benefits to local students while importing more people from overseas?

      • lancesta on 29/08/2022 - 11:48

        Honestly don't understand this sentiment. We need to fix the problem if we don't have enough training spots. How does another country train their staff.

        The other thing is it does actually take away from their own population of trained staff when Australia starts offering high paid roles and they end up leaving their own country with a skills shortage.

        Surely unemployment benefits should be factored into the cost/benifit analysis for decisions like this too.

        • greatlamp on 29/08/2022 - 12:52

          Surely unemployment benefits should be factored into the cost/benifit analysis for decisions like this too.

          No, not really. Most spending never considers indirect costs. That's just ignored as it's too hard to measure and doesn't appear in the budget

          • lancesta on 29/08/2022 - 17:15
            +1

            @greatlamp: I know it isn't but I definitely think it should be. Particularly for large projects like say the building of trains locally vs getting them made overseas. Where there could be a pretty decent correlation for jobs created/kept vs when they wouldn't be.

            Definitely wouldn't make sense for all costings and wouldn't be 100% accurate

      • buckster on 29/08/2022 - 12:01
        +1

        If a person doesn't want to be a nurse, better to get a nurse in on a visa. Not all prospective students would consider nursing, not be good nurses

        Better to tackle the shortage on both sides if there are competent ones looking to migrate also.

  • Gervais fanboy on 28/08/2022 - 14:46

    I understand the need for more nurses and maybe this is the only way to fulfil that…

    But the establishment also needs to address the exorbitant tuition fees that these universities are charging us, partly fuelled by these very same good willing initiatives, hecs etc

    I am surprised that the journalist class doesn’t go after these wealthy establishments anymore..

    • greatlamp on 28/08/2022 - 16:15
      +2

      I find it hard to see the costs as extortionate when we can see in the USA - where course fees are not fixed by the government- they are higher. There is more argument to say universities are getting paid too little.

    • cookie2 on 28/08/2022 - 21:47

      Yup, this one makes me cry. Sucks balls.

    • lancesta on 29/08/2022 - 11:52

      Sorry but aren't uni fees fixed?

      Like they are pricey for the government and tbh I think education fees subsidise research costs in a lot of unis. But if a school aged child's education is 10k roughly a year I don't actually think uni is too bad.

      Like my degree is roughly $1k/course (for me) and then that's 8k/year totalling $40k for the degree. The government pays more than that for me to the unis also.

      I think it kinda depends on who you think is getting screwed by unis whether that's the government or the students. I'm not sure if they're government run at all. If so surely they'd have a lot more choice.

  • Terra Australis on 28/08/2022 - 14:47
    -3

    i don't quite get this - i assume a 3 year bachelor of nursing degree costs more than $16,500? VU says 16,500 per semester - aren't there 6?

  • Drakesy on 28/08/2022 - 14:49
    -2

    And then we end up with too many nurses and then the teachers cry that there's not enough teachers so then they get fully subsidised education and the cycle continues

    Sometimes governments shouldn't really meddle with things

    • JuryWheel on 28/08/2022 - 14:55

      Our population is growing very quickly in Vic, I think it will take a LONG time for this to happen….

    • Gervais fanboy on 28/08/2022 - 14:56

      Sometimes governments shouldn't really meddle with things

      I never thought that you’d ever say something that wise..
      Damn, respect.

    • annarchon on 28/08/2022 - 15:05

      When the market is out of whack, you need a big stick to fix it.

  • proudwanderer on 28/08/2022 - 14:53
    +10

    Is this really just a cheap “vote grab”?

    • annarchon on 28/08/2022 - 15:06
      +1

      Have you been paying attention to the Victoria hospitals, its on the brink of collapse with ballooning waiting time. If this is a vote grab, so be it.

      • ldq on 28/08/2022 - 15:35
        +8

        Daniel Andrews has been in charge of healthcare for well over a decade. First as the Parliamentary Secretary for Health (2002-2006), Minister for Health (2007-2010), the Premier (2014-Present).
        But hell yeah, give him another chance to fix it!

        • vash5 on 28/08/2022 - 21:46
          +2

          Just like biden.. 48yr in government and he claims 2020 was the year he would fix everything.

          Meanwhile the (profanity) country is on fire now and all those people that where butt hurt about means tweets are paying the price.

  • shap08 on 28/08/2022 - 14:54

    nurse practitioner specialities

    As a nurse this is big

  • JuryWheel on 28/08/2022 - 14:55

    Great initiative to get more Australian trained nurses in our hospitals. For so long, the only way they have been able to significantly raise numbers is by bringing in nurses from overseas who's training and experience just isn't at the same/right level of Australian based ones. I can see them doing this for more and more understaffed disciplines……

  • nekro on 28/08/2022 - 14:59

    Cheers op

  • RocketSwitch on 28/08/2022 - 15:03
    +5

    Should be all degrees

    • Gervais fanboy on 28/08/2022 - 15:12

      Might as well just stop this charade and just be a fully Socialist nation.

    • belongsinforums on 28/08/2022 - 22:26

      how will that address the nursing shortage? the only other option is to improve working conditions for nurses (and that won't happen)

      • RocketSwitch on 29/08/2022 - 13:45
        -2

        How about trying to address how to keep the current nurses and why they're leaving? How about removing the stupid vaccine mandates that make no sense in that setting so more than 10,000 healthcare workers can get back to work.

        HOW ABOUT THAT???

        You think making this free is going to do anything? The working conditions are absolutely horrid and on top of that they're the only sector left with mandates that's on the advice of baseless science.

        Also, if they get a vaccine injury, they only have access to 2 days paid leave.

        Yes, I have 10 nurses that are friends, so get the info from there. They also had a survey to see how to get nurses to work more hours for no extra pay, would you do it?

        This will solve nothing. Getting Dan Andrews the loser out is the first step. Over a decade of breaking our healthcare system!!

        • belongsinforums on 29/08/2022 - 14:03
          +2

          Ok antivaxxer

          • aussiegooner on 29/08/2022 - 14:13

            @belongsinforums: Gonna really enjoy the anti-vaxxer tears when Dan Andrew is voted back for another term.

            • Gervais fanboy on 29/08/2022 - 16:40
              +1

              @aussiegooner: So you are happy for someone to be in charge just soo they could piss off the other side ?

              Well I guess, it now makes sense on how Biden got a record 81 million votes despite him being absolutely senile.

              Btw, I am somewhat glad that you’d be happy with Dan getting re-elected because objectively both sides lose more than what they’ll gain by hiring a bureaucrat in him.
              Some people would rather the other side lose than everyone win…

              Btw off topic but Arsenal are looking exceptionally good lately.

              • aussiegooner on 29/08/2022 - 17:27
                -1

                @Gervais fanboy: Dan's the best premier this state's had for a very long time. I shudder to think what the last decade would've been like if someone like Matthew Guy was in charge instead.

                We're off to a great start but against pretty soft oppositions so far so hard to tell where we're really at until we're up against some tougher teams. North London derby in a few weeks should be interesting.

                • Gervais fanboy on 29/08/2022 - 18:49

                  @aussiegooner:

                  Dan's the best premier this state's had for a very long time.

                  I didn’t think that you actually believed that. But if you genuinely do, then cool you are entitled to your opinions. I was wrong to suggest otherwise…

                  Btw Arsenal though, I watched those games against Sevilla and my Chelsea, couldn’t help but feel a tinge of envy….
                  TrustTheProjectFam 🤣

                • RocketSwitch on 29/08/2022 - 22:52

                  @aussiegooner: So you support destroying the healthcare system for over a decade and killing people waiting for emergency services and treatment?

                  You're a disgrace to humanity.

          • RocketSwitch on 29/08/2022 - 22:52
            -1

            @belongsinforums: Your reply is a reflection of your tiny brain.

            • belongsinforums on 30/08/2022 - 03:25

              @RocketSwitch: Ok antivaxxer

              • Gervais fanboy on 30/08/2022 - 11:31

                @belongsinforums: Anti mandate and not anti vaxx, dummy.

                No one ever came to you asking you to not get it… because that’s what would make someone an ‘anti Vaxxer’

                Y’all with your pseudo intellectualism and iNdEpEnDeNt BeLiEfS are nothing but the pawns of the establishment, regurgitating their aggrandised drivel.
                Atleast get your insults right..

  • shoppe on 28/08/2022 - 15:08

    Maybe we could get our politicians to help out here. Nurse ScoMo……

  • easternculture on 28/08/2022 - 15:21

    Coincides with the victorian governments approval of the New Moderna Facility for mrna vaccines to be built in Monash Uni

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • annarchon on 28/08/2022 - 15:40
      +1

      Umm, the mrna facility at Monash was announced last year. Coincidence indeed.

      • easternculture on 28/08/2022 - 15:47
        -1

        Yep, probably the nurse uni subsidy too but announced recently , nothing happens overnight in the government. You should already know that

  • Dack Smith on 28/08/2022 - 16:30
    -1

    Another stupid initiative from Dickless Dan

    You need not just more nurses, you need more beds, doctors, paramedics, ambulances so people don’t bloody die waiting before getting to hospital.

    If people still vote for this dictator at the end of the year then it just shows Victorians are as smart as burnt pancakes

    • amzinguserman on 28/08/2022 - 17:18
      +2

      How much of your time do you think about Dans Dick or lack-of ?

      You need not just more nurses, you need more beds, doctors, paramedics, ambulances so people don’t bloody die waiting before getting to hospital.

      Its almost as though its a complex problem that needs to be solved one issue at a time.

      • vash5 on 28/08/2022 - 21:49
        +3

        Dan doesn't solve problems, he makes them.

        Case and point, every single measure he has done during cv has failed spectacular!!

        • Trumpyy on 28/08/2022 - 23:11
          +1

          People can do a bridging course to go from nursing to paredics, 1 year..

    • King Steuart on 28/08/2022 - 16:58
      -1

      It's nice that you added a disclaimer to your first sentence

    • amzinguserman on 28/08/2022 - 17:18
      +3

      Funny cos i heard 69% of statistics without a source are made up.

      • MuddyClear on 28/08/2022 - 21:11
        +3

        But 69 is a naughty number…

    • Gervais fanboy on 28/08/2022 - 17:26

      Well, don’t be so ignorant.

      They are more intellectually diverse than you think..
      More and more women now opt for courses like gender studies, Marxism, White people bad etc
      Courses that don’t get you a real job to pay back their hecs but I believe that’s where we as a society should step in and foot the bill. As we have been anyways..

      • vash5 on 28/08/2022 - 21:50
        +1

        More and more women now opt for courses like gender studies, Marxism, White people bad etc

        The great Karens makers of our generation.

      • amzinguserman on 28/08/2022 - 22:02
        -2

        yeah im sure they teach "white people bad" in nursing or any of the stem fields

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