[VIC] Up to Full HECS Undergrad Subsidies, Part Postgrad Scholarships for Nursing & Midwifery Degrees for Victorian Students

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[VIC] Up to Full HECS Undergrad Subsidies, Part Postgrad Scholarships for Nursing & Midwifery Degrees for Victorian Students
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Taegukgi on 28/08/2022 - 14:09 premier.vic.gov.au (5389 clicks)
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Be the next Gaylord Focker.

More than 10,000 students will have the cost of their nursing or midwifery undergraduate studies paid for, while scholarships will be available for thousands more who complete postgraduate studies in areas of need including intensive care, cancer care, paediatrics and nurse practitioner specialities.

All new domestic students enrolling in a professional-entry nursing or midwifery course in 2023 and 2024 will receive a scholarship of up to $16,500 to cover course costs.

Students will receive $9,000 while they study and the remaining $7,500 if they work in Victorian public health services for two years.

Daniel Andrews - “If you’re in Year 12 and you’ve been thinking about studying nursing or midwifery – go for it. We’ve got your HECS fees covered.”

Applications to courses are currently open via VTAC.

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      • easternculture on 28/08/2022 - 14:49

        I already own everything with no debt (except to ATO) and im happy.

        How will the great reset help me.

      • rodericb on 28/08/2022 - 16:30

        You may be able to own your debt when that time comes. It might even be encouraged!

    • Dyl on 28/08/2022 - 14:38
      +2

      I'm doubtful on A being an issue, fair point on B.

      It realistically should be a federal thing, the government contribution for CSP should be variable based on shortages.

    • outlander on 28/08/2022 - 14:45
      +14

      Reminder that with the way our monetary system works, governments are supposed to be in perpetual debt. As large, stable entities, they are able to access money cheaper than basically anyone else. As long as the money is spent on things that give a better return than the interest rate on the money borrowed, its okay.

    • Cheapsize on 28/08/2022 - 14:46
      +10

      Counter.

      Here's how it should work.

      You get refunded HECS when you're complete the course and your employer gives you your first payslip. Provide proof to the government. Merry Christmas.

      We should have a skilled migration pathway associated. Then it's a double whammy, we can plug the hole faster.

      Then we need to look at wages and conditions to keep PPL in the industry.

      • bgbrendan on 28/08/2022 - 15:03
        +4

        One of the hardest things for nursing students is that you have to do a ton of placement. It can be really tricky to hold down a job when you can't work for weeks at a time. Upfront cash is definitely a bigger help than a payout when you graduate.

        • lancesta on 29/08/2022 - 11:01

          Tbh coming from an engineering student. At minimum they need to be paid for placement. I don't think it's that controversial to do it. If they're being relocated they should be provided accommodation.

          I've only gotta do 12 weeks placement for my degree but I'm gonna be doing 36 weeks total because they've made it really easy for me. Fully paid accommodation, relocation fees and a decent wage while I am working on site.

          There's nurses I've seen who have struggled to find accommodation let alone afford it when doing placement away from their home. The idea that you can't afford to do your degree because your parents can't support you or you've gotta save up heaps of money to work for free is ridiculous imo especially when we have a shortage. It really wouldn't cost that much and would help them. Most staff are paid while they're training. Honestly same with teachers. They should even get paid more if they go do their placement in rual schools (to encourage trying it out).

    • freefall101 on 28/08/2022 - 15:59
      +5

      It's $270m over two years, while not a small amount of money it has piss all impact on debt. If it results in even a new positive of a thousand new nurses then it's a win. You'll also note that it's conditional on working in the state for two years to get the full amount, if someone drops out part way through they won't cost of much. There's also money for upskilling existing nurses. It's a good idea, if you want to save $270m then there are much, much better ways to go about it.

      • gakko on 28/08/2022 - 16:52
        +2

        You mean they thought it through and don't hand you a wad of cash when you say you are participating? It's easier to not read about it and then make up complaints about why it won't work…

      • lancesta on 29/08/2022 - 11:12
        +1

        To be honest primary school and high school education costs the public an absolutely massive amount of money. Most people agree that it's worthwhile to have public education for school aged children to help them become productive members of society.

        I don't exactly get how that's suddenly is no longer applicable when you finish high school. Like at roughly 10k a year (it's actually more) for 13 years you're looking at 130k to educate each person, whether they want to be taught or not. If they go into a job straight away without any more ongoing training it'll usually be an "unskilled" job.

        HECS doesn't even cover half the cost of the degree anyway. Commonwealth supported places in unis cover the majority of course costs. Lots of people that choose their uni degree aren't completely sure what they wanna do, and free hecs would guide their decision definitely.

        Even if you only care about saving money, if there's a shortage in teachers, nurses or whatever it'd make sense to cover it. It's probably cheaper and quicker than paying them a wage that encourages enough people to do the job to cover the shortage.

        Edit: who funds it (state/federal) isn't really something I've addressed here. Talking mainly about broader picture of funding uni (and TAFE) with public money generally. Who funds it is definitely another, important issue.

    • Vanceer on 28/08/2022 - 16:27
      +10

      Our debt is less than the federal government debt to gdp and has been invested in infrastructure projects, health, education, etc that will improve our ever growing state now, and in the future.

      Believe it or not, things cost money. People get into much deeper debt to buy a house.

      Despite the "largest debt of all time of all states in the history of the world" fearmongering, when Jeff Kennett sold off hospitals and schools to property developers in the 90s and 00s to "balance the budget" and "get Victoria out of debt", it now costs at least 10x to buy that property back and at least 3x as much to build the necessary infrastructure to service a much larger Melbourne. So despite "saving" Victoria for a small period of time, Victoria kept going, and its needs increased, requiring more funding to make up for Kennett's short sightedness. Do I need to bring up him selling the Infectious Disease Hospital too, because I think that's self explanatory.

      • coke9 on 28/08/2022 - 17:26
        -2

        Vic debt is more than NSW, Qld, and SA together and most of Andrews infrastructure projects have no business case. Fed debt is for all Oz so how can you compare lol

        Andrews has sold Vic roads, Port of Melbourne, and Land Titles office so he's no better than Kennet in that respect

        He has under-invested in health, education, and housing, only interested in infrastructure to keep his union and CCP mates sweet.

        Transurban will set whatever toll they like under the deal they made with Andrews on East West Link which will end up another white elephant for Vic with no business case just like Dan's trains to nowhere

        Dan's recruitment of nightclub bouncers through WhatsApp to be the front line against a pandemic will never be forgotten, nor the dodgy contract he signed for hotel quarantine

        • Vanceer on 28/08/2022 - 23:51
          +5

          Vic debt alone is 20% of the state's gross output. Can you explain to me why no debt is a goal you want the state to strive towards?

          NSW relies on other states to power theirs, based on information by AEMO.

          If we exclude the NT, NSW has the highest homeless population per capita.

          Vic leads NSW in education.

          Sydney is the most tolled city on earth.

          This comment section is based on Dan literally fully funding degrees in nursing, after already having built multiple hospitals.

          Dan will haunt your dreams after he gets another term in government. Check under your bed every night, he might be there…!

          • coke9 on 29/08/2022 - 20:05
            -1

            @Vanceer: Taxpayer funds degrees, not Andrews. Labor promised to build 10 hospitals but has only started construction on one lol

            I don't care about NSW as I don't live there

            Having low/no debt means that as interest rates so does the cost of servicing that debt, rates are rising atm so taxpayers will pay $milions in interest alone for Andrews trains to nowhere, can't believe I actually had to explain this

            https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/21/publi…

            , Andrews is a crook who will get his arse handed to him in November

    • entropysbane on 29/08/2022 - 07:25
      +1

      It is a dilemma. I really do not agree with free education for university, think those high paid careers such as doctors and lawyers etc, and it isn’t actually free and is paid for by people who do not go to university, like hairdressers, shopgirls, tradies and garbage truck drivers. And once you start giving away stuff for “free” it is hard to reinstate the fee.

      I think a more productive approach would be to pay them more and make work conditions much more attractive once they are qualified. Maybe even a cadet system with guaranteed employment on graduation.

      As for nursing, pull it out of university altogether and return to the old hospital based traineeship approach (in fact I would do this for journalism, government service agencies etc as well). The trainees would also be paid while they are being trained. There would also be a lot more actual nursing and a lot less clipboard nurses that way.

      • wongcr on 29/08/2022 - 10:44

        There are already 2 tiers of of nurses - Enrolled Nurses (via TAFE Diploma, apprenticeship model in a hospital) and Registered Nurses (uni degree). To become a registered nurse/midwife requires a uni degree as the skills are more complex - eg https://www.boxhill.edu.au/news/differences-between-a-regist…

        • entropysbane on 29/08/2022 - 12:06

          There have always been ENs and RNs.
          I disagree that an RN needs to be a university degree. Perhaps a merger of the two processes, but completing your qualification as if was a trade with the education supporting the workplace would produce better nurses interested in actually nursing.

      • Vanceer on 29/08/2022 - 23:16

        Think of it this way. Once the freely educated nurses finish their degrees, they will be able to look after injured or sick hairdressers, shopgirls, tradies, etc, which means they'll earn an income, and pay a tax on it too. Meaning nurses will pay for other nurses to get their degree for free, and the circle of nurse life will continue.

        But wait, we already have nurses, so nurses and doctors and everyone else who pays taxes will also pay for free nurse education. Some taxpayers might even pay for roads they'll never use, water they'll never drink, surgeries, cancer treatments, medicines, etc, they'll never use, but others will. And maybe that investment in our society will make it just a little bit better than paying for personal litigation for politicians accused of alleged rapes, subsidies to profitable multi-nationals and billionaires, hand outs to profitable businesses, sports rorts, car park rorts, and every other rort and taxpayer handout for the purpose of one political party gaining an advantage.

        • entropysbane on 30/08/2022 - 12:55

          The primary benefit goes to the person getting the degree. But it is a very indirect way of getting more nurses, as a significant number do not in fact end up nursing.

          As I said, a far better system would be to just pay nurses more to make it a more attractive career. That would also produce a quicker result, as it would bring qualified RNs who aren’t working, for whatever reason, back into nursing.

    • Sammyboy on 31/08/2022 - 14:01

      Also the moment the unemployed enroll in this, the unemployment stats drop as they are now classified as students. Good for politics and election is coming up.

  • krazek on 28/08/2022 - 14:27
    +21

    Election must be soon… Everything is free!

  • MITM on 28/08/2022 - 14:27
    +2

    Annastacia Palaszczuk will match it and some exce[t there's no houses here.

  • dukeGR4 on 28/08/2022 - 14:27
    +10

    thanks, got 10

  • hothed on 28/08/2022 - 14:28
    -8

    Does the course come with a free nurse outfit?
    I'll sign the Mrs up!

    hothed on 28/08/2022 - 14:28 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    • ghoulie1 on 28/08/2022 - 14:43
      +19

      Its almost like employers don't want employees who are proven as stupid and/or selfish people.

      • Gervais fanboy on 28/08/2022 - 15:35
        +1

        Wow, so is that your actual outlook towards people who chose against getting the jab ?

        • CrowReally on 28/08/2022 - 16:31
          +1

          Always nice to see who steps up in defence of vaxx-denialists.

        • lancesta on 29/08/2022 - 11:24
          +2

          Tbh my view is probably less vocal but it is that it is selfish to expect to be allowed to work with vulnerable people without it. If don't want it, whatever but you can't work with vulnerable people.

          Why, because vaccines don't protect individuals as well as they protect groups of people. To be fair the covid one is a bit different to others due to the context of it and the widespread rules around it. But I never understood how aged care didn't have a 100% flu vax rate before covid, it should've been mandatory before working there.

          Should be part of the job conditions (maybe they'll have to phase it in). In the army you've gotta have all vaccines as part of yearly medicals, not really any choice if that's the career you want to do.

          I'm not sure where it ends. Like if you're a police officer are you working with vulnerable (health wise) people. Or a teacher. Coles worker e.c.t so I'm not too sure there.

      • mr_asstight on 28/08/2022 - 19:46
        +2

        Your condom doesn't work if I don't wear one, amirite?!

      • entropysbane on 29/08/2022 - 07:39
        +1

        It is more risk aversion than risk management though. My work has a mandate too. The reason given is the risk of someone contracting Covid at a work function where someone is not vaccinated and then suing the place.

        I think that was a reasonable concept early on. I have my four shots and I have made sure all of my team are fully vaccinated to comply with the mandate. But I don’t think the mandate is the right thing now. The couf is everywhere, infecting vaccinated and unvaccinated alike. It would be impossible to prove where one actually got infected.

        But in my organisation, there was about 80 out of a couple of thousand that were not vaccinated, for whatever reason they had, good or not. Some of these people were actually the sole world experts in their field, and can’t simply be replaced. Ideally, the organisation should have been training people behind them over the last decade, but it did not.

        So to address a potential risk, a mandate was imposed that actually realised a consequence of loss of capability, prestige etc of the organisation. That will take years to redevelop and may not.
        That is not risk management, it is risk aversion. Or worse, punishment for thought crimes.

    • jv on 28/08/2022 - 14:57
      +31

      There are large numbers of qualified nurses not nursing because they refused the clot shots.

      They shouldn't be nurses then.

      I'd be worried if someone lacking basic medical knowledge was looking after me…

    • chepsk8 on 28/08/2022 - 15:01
      +1

      (profanity) off elsewhere (profanity).

    • M00Cow on 28/08/2022 - 15:02
      +7

      flu jabs have been compulsory for most medical workers for over a decade. So it's a storm in a teacup.

    • vash5 on 28/08/2022 - 15:45
      +2

      You are bang on correct!! If only these people actually talked to medical staff they would realise the sad reality.

      • CrowReally on 28/08/2022 - 16:31
        +1

        Vash.. the stampede???

        • vash5 on 28/08/2022 - 18:12
          +1

          Yes indeedy 😜

    • morse on 29/08/2022 - 03:48
      +1

      Not sure how ‘large’ the numbers are but only 3.7% of people over 16 have had less than two COVID shots. If this same proportion applies for nurses it’s not a lot. And those that aren’t vaccinated are nurses who aren’t keen on following direction and don’t have the same values as the employers, so not really ideal employees.

  • Unorthodox on 28/08/2022 - 14:30
    +2

    I'd like to see how many nursing students quit or change degrees before completion and how they address that with this.
    Used to work as one of the course adviser support staff and nursing had one of the higher drop out rates.

    • iridiumstem on 28/08/2022 - 14:49
      +1

      Is that a problem more because of the nature of the job?

      Nursing sounded to me like a role that is mentally and physically draining (I may be wrong, I am not a nurse).

      I wouldn't be surprised if many of those students come in, realise that the role isn't for them, and leave.
      It's probably for the best as well, since being stuck in a role that you are not meant for doesn't do anyone any good.

      • Unorthodox on 28/08/2022 - 15:02
        +1

        I only got to see general comments on why they were looking to drop that degree, make a change to another degree or defer. It's up to the course advisers to go through it with them in more detail.

        I did have a few friends from high school who ended up going to nursing who did change course after placements because they experienced things that weren't expected - e.g violent patients, mental health/patients having violent episodes and having to clean up patients who had soiled themselves.

        I'll also add that I had a few friends who were Filipino (female) and nurses are a very common career pathway but they were surprised that in Aus, people don't really treat first responders and medical professionals with respect

        • iridiumstem on 28/08/2022 - 15:11

          I think while it's unfortunate that people who are dedicated on helping others are leaving, it's probably better outcome than people being stuck in roles that they are not suitable for.

          I do agree that the work environment for the nursing roles sounded to me that it needs a lot of improvements, but at the same time, I think there are elements of the role that unfortunately comes with the role that can only be alleviated to a degree.

          Just to summarise, I just think nursing role is a role that would have a lot of dropouts, because of the nature of the role itself. Can the dropout rate be reduced? Probably, since it sounds like the work environment for the role has a lot of room for improvements. At the same time, even then I think nursing role would still have fairly high dropout rate.

          • lancesta on 29/08/2022 - 11:28

            @iridiumstem: I also think they should get paid and have all relocation and accommodation covered during placement. Same with teachers. Working multiple jobs and all that to cover working for free isn't a great start to anyone's career

    • greatlamp on 28/08/2022 - 16:06

      It is well known these schemes do not encourage more people to take up studies in nursing. HECS removes any price signal for students, so they choose what they like regardless of the future debt.
      The increased uptake would be expected to be <5%.

      So it doesn't really matter how many drop out, that many would have dropped out regardless.

      • lancesta on 29/08/2022 - 11:26

        Isn't removing hecs specifically for some degrees only a price signal in itself.

        Like if you made all uni degrees for everything free then to encourage nursing students you'd need an incentive greater than the baseline like a scholarship or something.

    • Icecold5000 on 28/08/2022 - 17:50

      That’s something to be addressed in placements. A gentle introduction would be better than AM starts in a neuro ward 4 weeks into the first semester.

  • callum54 on 28/08/2022 - 14:33

    Do you have to live/reside in Victoria? Can I study online from Qld?

    • Gervais fanboy on 28/08/2022 - 14:40
      +1

      Can you really learn how to be a nurse over a computer though ?
      Surely, there would be some practical learnings to be acquired in person…

    • henryph-am on 28/08/2022 - 14:40

      Nursing has lots of in person training aka practical and placement so I don’t think it’s a possibility at all

      • Terra Australis on 28/08/2022 - 14:44
        +3

        i've already got a medical degree. surely i can put this one under my belt with just a token donation to the uni - paid for by daniel andrews of course

        • Save Medicare on 29/08/2022 - 07:10

          There's a lot of stuff that nurses know that doctors don't
          I don't think it'd neccessarily be a cakewalk
          What's inadine for example? Acticoat?

      • digitalbath on 28/08/2022 - 18:42

        It is definitely possible and is happening right now and has been done for years. All the theory can be done online. But there are some practical components and lots of placements.

  • mlburnian on 28/08/2022 - 14:33
    -3

    Hopefully this results in better nurses than this lady
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-n…

  • MrBillions on 28/08/2022 - 14:34
    +7

    I'm paying for this stuff….not Dan

    • Techie4066 on 28/08/2022 - 14:36
      +9

      Would you rather not pay for any public infrastructure too?

      • Gervais fanboy on 28/08/2022 - 14:54
        -4

        All he’s said was that he’s the one who’s paying for it…

        There was no motive attached to his comment, you just did that…

        • Techie4066 on 28/08/2022 - 15:31
          +2

          What's a hospital without staff?

          It's almost as though people are just discovering governments distribute tax revenue on our behalfs whether we use services or not.

          • Gervais fanboy on 28/08/2022 - 15:45
            +1

            @Techie4066: Btw Yes, we currently do have a shortage of nurses but it isn’t as dire as ‘hospital without staff’. If you have to exaggerate that much to make your point, then maybe you need to slightly revise what you are saying.

            Secondly, there’s other things that the state can do to boost the number of nurses we have.
            Lift the mandates ?
            We already have a record number of immigrants studying to be nurses (easier PR pathway), who btw pay a lot of fees and also have a fraction of the dropout rates as compared to our very own citizens.
            Maybe, they could have focused on that front more. Which would have cost the government nothing and would have instead generated even more revenues.

            • Techie4066 on 28/08/2022 - 15:53
              +3

              @Gervais fanboy:

              If you have to exaggerate that much to make your point, then maybe you need to slightly revise what you are saying.

              I'm not making a point about staff levels. I'm making a point about this conversation:

              1

              I'm paying for this stuff….not Dan

              2

              Would you rather not pay for any public infrastructure too?

              3

              All he’s said was that he’s the one who’s paying for it… There was no motive attached to his comment, you just did that…

              It goes without saying we're all pitching in to government revenue for the sake of society. Making an argument out of that sounds like they are taking issue with public spending.

              I was using the example of infrastructure to highlight how tax is used for everyone, benefitting some more than others. Such is life.

              • Gervais fanboy on 28/08/2022 - 16:50
                +1

                @Techie4066: Okay, I understand your point and for the most of it, you are right.

                Just the bit at the end though, I sorta disagreed with.

                We have had a good number of people study and work as nurses without any serious government intervention, until recently.
                For factors that we don’t need to discuss, a lot of nurses are now switching professions, which’s also causing a lot of young people feeling reluctant to enrol into nursing. Hence a potential forecast of the shortages (potentially) to come.
                Now public spending into key areas is vital..
                But you and I should be able to have some scepticism and speculate for some(if any) ulterior motives.

                As I have listed earlier, I still believe there could have better ways to agrees the shortages.
                I do feel that public perception and ‘vote grabbing’ is at play here..

      • jv on 28/08/2022 - 15:00
        +1

        Would you rather not pay for any public infrastructure too?

        This isn't infrastructure.

        Where are the 4000 extra hospital beds Dan promised a couple of years back?

        • Techie4066 on 28/08/2022 - 15:01
          -1

          This isn't infrastructure.

          No sh*t, that's why there's a "too" on the end of my sentence. My point is taxes are paid for everyone's benefit, whether you use it or not - which unfortunately a lot of Americans complaining about student loan forgiveness aren't able to comprehend.

          The beds were always additional capacity to be rolled out in the event they were needed. Comprehension, jv!

          • jv on 28/08/2022 - 15:02
            -1

            @Techie4066:

            No sh*t

            Not enough public toilets either…

            But Dan doesn't give a crap…

        • freefall101 on 28/08/2022 - 16:07
          +1

          It was 4,000 extra ICU beds that were promised and they weren't necessary because covid rates never got high enough to use them before we got a vaccine. They're simply unnecessary now and would have gone unused, the only reason to put them in would have been to stop people whinging about broken promises on the internet.

          I'd rather they spend the money on more normal hospital beds, more specific equiment to treat covid patients (like high flow oxygen therapy units), more money on mental health services and more nurses. Fortunately, they did.

          • easternculture on 28/08/2022 - 16:09

            @freefall101: There was never 4000 icu beds. It was just backup plan to use other critical care area beds like CCU in the event they were needed.

            They never had enough ventilators anyways

            • freefall101 on 28/08/2022 - 16:25

              @easternculture: You're right, I should have added that the promise was ridiculous to begin with. But not following through with it isn't the issue.

        • Icecold5000 on 28/08/2022 - 17:54

          You need 4000+ ICU nurses to man those beds and the training takes 2 years to get competent in addition to a critical care certificate. It’s clear you know little about healthcare.

          • easternculture on 28/08/2022 - 18:12

            @Icecold5000: They were training recovery nurses and anyone who did any type of critical care nursing.
            There was multiple expression of interests too and critical care district rotational programs.
            The planning was def there but running 4000 icu beds would have been unachievable and catastrophic.
            The talk abt 4000 beds was mainly publicity

            I do know what im talking about

            • demiurge on 28/08/2022 - 20:59

              @easternculture: I think they are referring to jv, who clearly doesn't know what he/she is talking about.

          • jv on 28/08/2022 - 19:53
            +1

            @Icecold5000:

            You need 4000+ ICU nurses to man those beds

            Beds aren't there. They were supposed to have been built already. Won't need the nurses until then.
            Already 2 years behind.
            Hospitals are full, people a dying… Dan thinks it's all a joke and spends all the money on a rail loop most people don't want and wont use.

      • vash5 on 28/08/2022 - 15:50
        +3

        Already happened.. remember how Dan said it wont cost us a cent?? Well..

        East West Link: Cost of scrapping project more than $1.1 billion, auditor-general says

        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-09/auditor-general-repor…

        • Techie4066 on 28/08/2022 - 15:56
          -1

          He said the former Napthine government's decision to sign the contract so close to the last state election was based on flawed advice.

          "The advice provided to the then-government was disproportionately aimed at achieving contract execution prior to the 2014 state election rather than being in the best interests of the project or use of taxpayers' money," he said.

          • vash5 on 28/08/2022 - 21:35
            +1

            @Techie4066: Sure ill call that out, but we where at least getting something for our money. Even if the contract was ideal.

            Dan campaigned on tearing up the contract and it wouldn't cost us anything but im reality we lost 1.1billion and got nothing!!

            Which would you rather?

    • outlander on 28/08/2022 - 14:50
      +4

      And when you have a heart attack and don't die in the back of an ambulance waiting for treatment, you'll be happy you spent those $25 extra per year

      • Ocker on 28/08/2022 - 15:50

        How are extra nurses going to help when there are no beds for patients in hospitals? This is why patients are being stuck in pop-up tents in the hospital grounds while they wait for a bed.

        • easternculture on 28/08/2022 - 15:54

          There is huge funding going towards treating patients in their homes.

          • Ocker on 28/08/2022 - 15:56
            +1

            @easternculture: I think if I get sudden pains in my chest I would rather take my chances in a tent in the ground of the Box Hill hospital than having my spouse treating (diagnosing) me at home

            • easternculture on 28/08/2022 - 16:10

              @Ocker: Wouldnt be diagnosing at home.
              Would be things like wound care, rehab, chemotherapy, etc

        • arkie0 on 28/08/2022 - 20:07
          +1

          You obviously don't work in health or even know 1 nurse. When we say no beds, its not the actual physical beds… its the nurses + doctors which need to be rostered on to diagnose and treat patients. The more staff, the quicker patients are treated, the quicker the "bed" becomes free.

          You can open a hospital with 10,000 beds, yes everyone gets a bed - but if there is only a hand full of nurses and doctors, those 10,000 beds will still overflow to popup tents as patients wait to be treated.

          • lancesta on 29/08/2022 - 11:37

            @arkie0: This is a good point and tbh I didn't quite put two and two together because often there is reference to actual beds.

            I got a large cut on my hand, was treated in emergency when I saw reception but they told me I needed stitches and the after hours GP said to go to hospital. been stuck on a chair in emergency from I was in emergency once from 10pm-4am on a seat until I was seen. I then was on a hospital bed from 4am-10am waiting for a nurse/doctor to give me some stitches.

            This was all prior to the pandemic but I was obviously a low priority patent and was triaged down the line. The actual stitches took a little over 10mins, mainly as the antiseptic didn't work the first time. I took up a chair and a bed for longer than I needed to. But to be honest I don't know if it was a general staffing issue or just an oddly busy night. But it did mean I took up a chair and bed for a lot longer than I needed to for my actual treatment. No complaints regarding hospital staff, once I was seen initially I just sat down and waited patiently.

            • arkie0 on 29/08/2022 - 12:07

              @lancesta: Yes it is confusing to anyone not in healthcare, perfect example - the limitation is always staffing numbers. An ED unit manager would staff according to estimated number of patients coming through on any certain day and within a certain budget, but as with any business you may get staff calling in sick or there may be a larger than normal number of customers/patients, more difficult illnesses/injuries.

              The "easiest" fix is bigger government budget = more staff = quicker patient turn around time = less time per patient in a bed = effectively more beds.

              The problem this time around is - government can throw more budget at the problem (exaggerated example - pay a nurse 200k) and fix the problem, but it is cheaper to spend 30k to bring an additional nurse into the workforce and keep the nurse pay at 70k-100k

    • annarchon on 28/08/2022 - 14:58
      +5

      Luckily you ain't paying shit, since you are in NSW.

    • M00Cow on 28/08/2022 - 15:04

      Always have, always will.

      • annarchon on 28/08/2022 - 15:07
        +4

        Why is a NSWelshmen and a North Territorian bitching about Victorian spending as if its going to come out of their pockets? Don't you know how the States work?

        • Ghost47 on 28/08/2022 - 18:38
          +1

          Everyone loves to complain about Victoria because they think it's some sort of commie state full of socialists.

        • M00Cow on 28/08/2022 - 18:50

          I'm not, just pointing out the obvious, State Govt are responsible for health(e.g. paying nurses).

    • Grey 13 on 28/08/2022 - 15:27
      +3

      You and another 6.681 million other people living here in Victoria. And let me tell you that we could always use more domestically trained nurse.

  • AirbusA389 on 28/08/2022 - 14:36

    how much are nurses paid in Vic? worth the effort to train up to be a nurse?

    • starbearer on 28/08/2022 - 14:50

      Easily upto 6 figures after a bit of experience. Ample opportunities for extra shifts and overtime.

      • easternculture on 28/08/2022 - 14:55
        +5

        Not worth it. Nurses are overworked and dont forget the abuse from patients, families and psych patients.

        I know many many health professionals who got seriously injured from psych patients, one of them who was stabbed and killed.

        • AirbusA389 on 28/08/2022 - 18:07

          the hospital probably said: oh u r unlucky. your injury is part of your job. suck it up.

          go to woolies and see a sign: abuse is not tolerated and police will be involved.

          go figure.

      • AirbusA389 on 28/08/2022 - 15:57

        really? can u show us some payslips? 100k?

        i'm under the impression that woolies and coles pay better, just like in the UK / NHS.

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