I Bought a BYD Atto 3 So You Didn't Have Too. Anything You Would Like to Know About It?

I ended up buying a BYD Atto 3, partially because I wanted an EV, somewhat because I didn't want a Tesla and mostly out of spite (As per that comment, it's even complete with wankery number plate). I wanted to put my money where my mouth is and buy one of these "cHiNa CaR bAd" EV's so maybe you don't have to.

I took delivery of it from Sydney (Castle Hill BYD) and promptly drove it back to work up the F4 freeway and back to work (About 200km journey). Consumption was ok (but there is no way this car is getting anywhere near the optimistic 480km range on the highway.) and used an average of about 17kWh/100km.

I ended up getting white, because I'm a tight arse and it was $0 for white ($700 for other colours) and it is not white. It's not even "Pearl White"… it's silver. For comparison, it was sitting next to a silver Navara at the dealership (they share with Nissan) and it was more silver than the Navara.

Quick thoughts

Fit and finish: Very good. I would absolutely say it was on a par with Kia and Hyundai. Seats are really nice. Dash material, not so much. Paint is all good and no massive panel gaps or piss poor painting.

Colours: Interior colours are much more muted and acceptable compared to the original LHD one they were showing in Darlinghurt. And as above, white is not "white".

Performance: About what you would expect from a 1.6 turbo, or a 2.0+ 4 cyl. engine, just way more torque. Regen is disappointing, it's either not enough, or too much. No one pedal driving.

Features: Yep, it's got them. Every anagram you can think of, it's there somewhere. Radar cruise is good and much better than the work Outlander. Lane Keep Assist is a little intrusive, but can be turned off. Cameras are amazingly clear.

Infotainment: Yep, well, that's a hot mess. No AA/ACP, (but AA can be side loaded for now.) Radio randomly reset volume when you turn vehicle off and on again. But all in all, LOTS of features and settings and it is a very snappy display with no lag.

Climate control: It works? All done through media control.

Ride comfort: Meh. Better than my Outlander, not as good as my Fiat. Around town and over bumps and rough surface, it's good. Around fast curves, it's a whale.

Economy: On the freeway/highway, not to bad, better than expected (expected 200~250km, got about 350km) around town, excellent. On one drive, I left home at 75%, got home with 76%.

Noise: Very quiet inside. It is very well insulated. It's no BMW 7 series, but it's certainly no Hyundai Accent. The "pedestrian warning" (drone noise up to 30km/h) feels like it resonates a bit, but swapping it from standard to dynamic helped. (I want a custom pedestrian warning noise.)

Size: Bigger than a Toyota Yaris Cross, a bit smaller than an Outlander. Interior is big compared to the outside would have you believe (I borrowed neighbors cat to swing around to test.) Seats are a good size, rear leg room is massive, boot space is, "average". not small, but not huge. I am 6'2" (188cm) and my head fit well within the car with a good 80~100mm between my head and the roof.

All in all, a really solid first impression. It drives well, is built well, handles on the upper side of "ok", power is good and range is not to bad… So, if you have any questions about the car, want to know anything or want a photos of something in particular, or just want to hang it on me for buying a Chinese EV, have at it.

Remember, I early adopted here so you don't have too, and I am not some paid off shill working for an auto review site/publication, so if it is a piece of shit, I'll say it, if it has issues, I'll certainly let you know and I am not here to defend the vehicle like some fanboi. To me, it is transport, not a love story. It's a family car, so it needs to be treated like one.


Edits and additions:

Total Cost: Some have asked me about what I paid for it, In NSW, the final price was $48,405.91. This included registration but not the stamp-duty. The stamp-duty rebate was done at the dealer for me. There is also a $3,000 EV rebate as well, that one you have to apply for online, and I have applied, but have not received it. After rebate, if/when I get it, it will be a total of $45,406 drive away.

Charging: I have a wall charger ready for install, but at the moment, I am living with a 10A granny charger. From 36% to 100%, the car estimated 24 hours on the 1.6kW granny. I plugged it in over night (8pm~8am) and it went from 36% to 75%. More than enough for an average day of town/city driving.

Pics or it didn't happen: Hold my beer fam… I got this…

Safety Features: I went and covered most of it in this reply

Servicing: This can be found on the BYD Aus website and I have talked about it somewhere around here

Price: $48,405.91 ($0 stamp duty and before $3,000 NSW EV rebate. For more info, I covered it here

Insurance: $884 full comp. through Budget Direct. More info on my "stats" for this price was mentioned here

Why an EV?: Because (fropanity) petrol companies! It had nothing to do with "saving the planet"

That rear badge: It's ok, you know I got your back on this…


Observations and Updates

First OTA updates have arrived: Info here

EV Incentive rebate was approved. Applied for it 16/9 and was approved 30/9. Payment arrived about 5 days after final approval.

Update on safety rating. Vehicle received Euro NCAP 5 star rating. ANCAP rating release in NZ (5 stars) still pending in Aus.

Comments

          • @pegaxs: Any thoughts on what to do about the horrible plate adaptor on the front?

            • @Cliche Guevara: No. It looks (fropanity) disgusting… I am thinking maybe one of those JDM style plates would fit in there better… I might take mine off at the weekend and see if I can make something nicer at work for it.

          • @pegaxs: Thanks really appreciate this. Yes although i love my outback, the wagon has to go, since we have another big car already. So finding the right electric vehicle that can fit us all for city driving is next on the cards. I'll go measure up my seats now adn have a chat with the missus LOL.

            • @TheBean: If you want something smaller, I would keep an eye out for the BYD Dolphin once it is announced. It feels more about the size of a Corolla but way more room inside and I think for the right price, it would make an awesome 2nd car for doing the light lifting work like kids, shopping and runs to the park/sports.

  • Hey Pegaxs another question - I just watched a YT vid that appears to show an Australian ATTO3 with English voice assistant (used to operate some multimedia operations and open/close the sunroof). And also a glimpse of a navigation map. Does your car have this? https://youtu.be/A7x_z91cHBc

    • A: Who the (fropanity) shoots a video for YouTube in portrait mode?
      B: I can not understand a word he is saying.
      C: That is a side loaded thing. The cars do NOT come with navigation or Spotify installed, but you can install them yourself if you want.
      D: No, my car does not do that, so it looks like he may have installed some apps from the Chinese market perhaps or it is a beta version of what is coming. And I hate talking to my car, so I wont be using it anyway.
      E: If I stand corrected, that is one of the demo cars from Darlinghurst (from the rego), so it is entirely possibly that it may be running test software for the upcoming Oct. OTA update.

      • +1

        I read through the comments - apparently filmed for TikTok <sigh>. Also, it is the 'demo' car, so this is the test vehicle for the upcoming OTA update. I'm glad this looks like it'll be coming soon. Navigation as well as Spotify and hopefully AA/ACP at the same time. As far as I can tell the AA/ACP will be wired not wireless.

  • +1

    Do you have to sign up to BYD with your full name, address, details, etc…
    ie. are the software updates tied to your name ?

    Can you pull a record of all the routes and paths you have driven on?
    ( similarly, can you see where the car has been driven, if it was driven by someone else?
    eg. are there profiles that can be saved to the car, so each person's driving or preferences for radio, etc… is kept separate. )

    • +1

      Do you have to sign up to BYD

      No. At the moment there is nothing to sign up to. There is no Australian BYD app and nothing in the car requires you to log into anything or put any details in. The AOSP firmware that it is running does not support GSF anyway, so you cant really log in.

      Can you pull a record of all the routes and paths you have driven on?

      Kind of yes, kind of no. It has inbuilt dash cam that overlays some information, but there is no real GPS files or settings I can see that it keeps, so only really the dash cam footage. (I am guessing that if you wanted to, you could install an app that does that for you if you needed that function.)

      are there profiles that can be saved to the car, so each person's driving or preferences for radio, etc… is kept separate.

      Not at the moment. I have heard that this may be a feature later down the track and paired to the keys, so Key 1 will set everything for Driver 1 and when Driver 2 enters the car using their key, it will swap to theirs. (I'm not holding my breath for that one.)

      • Nice, prompt AMA answers !

  • What is the cost of electricity per 100km for highway, what is the cost for city driving?

    • +1

      Just a few posts up pegaxs stated: "On the highway, 17~18kWh is about the norm for me, where in town I can get 10~12kWh". Actual costs vary depending on your electricity situation.

      • +1

        Yep, basically this.

        So, I'm guessing at, lets say 18kWh on the freeway, in an hour it will use about 18kW, and off peak, I am paying around about $0.20/kWh. 18x0.20=$3.60/100km on the freeway or 12kWh around town… so, 12x0.20=$2.40/100km in town (This doesn't account for regen gains in either scenario, and note that this is a spitball figure and is in no way 100% accurate, just a general idea.)

  • -5

    CCP would like to thank you for your contribution.

    • +2

      You're welcome. Anything I can do to help.

  • Newbie question -

    Work has Tesla and a Porsche EV chargers, I assume all other cars are not able to charge with these existing chargers?

    • +2

      Some yes, some no. It depends on what chargers they are, ie: smart or dumb. Some will talk to the car and ask if it is a Porsche or a Tesla, some are just power outlkets and will let anything charge. I know on some Tesla outlets, a Tesla can charge at full speed while everything else is either denied outright or set to a much slower charge rate.

      It also comes down to the plug. Most modern EV's in Australia have a Type 2 plugs for AC charging and CCS plugs for DC.

      The best way I have found is to look on the Plugshare app and it will usually tell you "Tesla only charger"

      • I really hope these systems are unified soon

  • What would be involved with transferring a pre-order to another buyer?

    • +1

      A phonecall to BYDAustralia???

      And just be aware, they may not allow "transfer" as that would essentially amount to queue jumping. They may only give you the option to cancel, and if that is the case, just keep the order and when it comes time to pay and register, just nominate the person you sold your slot in the line to…

      • Other way round..was offered the option on one yet to hit transit..

        • +1

          Best to ring customer service and ask them. Failing that, depends on how well you know the person offering it, just flip the steps I mentioned above.

          Or, they can buy it and sell it to you straight away, as I dont think there is any stamp duty on 2nd hand EV's either (may need to research that though.)

    • +5

      He did not actually say he wants to ‘save’ the planet.Perhaps go back & read all the posts correctly.

    • +10

      LOL. Glad you read the post… Care to point out where I said I was doing it to "save the planet"??

      I got an EV because I don't want to pay petrol companies any more. I'm sick of their extortion and excuses. When oil is $1 a barrel, they still charge like its $120 a barrel.

      I also make WAY more solar power than I can use in a day, so I am basically making EV fuel on my roof and just giving it to the electric company at 8 cents and they sell it back to me later in the day for 49 cents. So, Now I have a storage bank to keep all my unused electrons in from my solar system.

      But, yeah, sure "save the planet" and all that…

      • +1

        @Pegaxs Some people!If he had read it correctly he would have seen that clearly, that you are not purchasing to save the planet,

        • Or my other favorite was the guy saying EV's are a waste of money and then comparing a $48k EV with all the trimmings to a base model $20k Kia Picanto/Hyundai Accent and how with his 5,000km/year it would take them 26 years to pay back the difference.

      • How much is the battery storage and the cost of solar installation, how many years will the cost to break even and eventually drive EV without paying for electricity?

        • Servicing is really where the money savings come in. Unless of course you don't pay for servicing already (One day my Hilux will blow up but hasn't yet).

    • +1

      He said "save the wallet" not "save the planet". Close but no cigars!

      • +1

        Which is the only reason for this.

  • Is this the cheapest EV now in the market here?
    Like really? Still need $45k?

    I can get a new petrol car for city drive let say for $20k. I drive around 5000 km per year and assuming the fuel consumption rate is 10L/100km, meaning I need 500L of petrol per year. 95 price now is $1.9, so I am spending $950 on fuel per year.

    With the extra $45k - $20k = $25k in car price, I need to drive 26 years in order to break even with the car price itself, not yet factoring in the price for electricity I need to fork out!

    • Your assumption is incorrect.

      Add inflation (eq. fuel was less than $1 in 2020), fuel excise ending soon, car resale value and the availability to sale that car in the future.

      This is no different than buying any other car for the value, it's just that's electric. Why do you compare your $20k car with a $50k that's doing the same job and then comment that your Yaris is cheaper to run than a Sportage?

      • +2

        Cause to me there is no difference: I just need a mobile vehicle.

        And no, I am not comparing Yaris to Sportage (i.e. different car size/type), I am comparing a petrol car that works for city drive vs the cheapest EV I can get to do the same.

      • -3

        No one wants a 10yo, 100k km plus EV with a 70% - 80% healthy battery. Generally they depreciate more than comparable petrol models, age for age, base on observation in China.

        By the time EVs get popular, government would lose significant revenue through fuel excise. Guess what are they going to do? ;)

        The current sweet spot is HEV or PHEV. My preference is ~150km-200km PHEV.

    • +9

      Like really? Still need $45k?

      Have you priced a similar specced RAV4 Hybrid? A Hyundai Tucson Highlander? A Kia Sportage SX+? Kona Highlander? These are the types of vehicles the Atto 3 is grouped against, and I can assure you, all of these vehicles are $40k+++. You cant compare a bottom of the range, entry level Kia Picanto to a BYD Atto 3. If you are going to make a silly comparison, why not Atto 3 vs X5 Series BMW @ $149,000? I'm already $100,000 ahead in that comparison.

      I drive around 5000 km per year… I need to drive 26 years in order to break even with the car price itself

      Then what are you on about? for 5000km per year, I would be renting vehicles through things like GoGet or CarNextDoor.

      For me, the pay back period is going to be 0 years, because I was already looking at the cars I mentioned above, which, coincidentally are the same or more expensive than these EV's.

      not yet factoring in the price for electricity I need to fork out!

      My electricity during the day is solar, thus cost me the FiT if i don't export it ($0.08/kWh). Off peak is $0.20/kWh. So, from dead empty, it would cost me about $12 to fill on offpeak or about $4.80 in lost FiT from my solar system.

      • Sure I won't drive a RAV4 for city commute. Just need the cheapest option of EV here. Definitely don't mind getting something like Renault Twizy, if they make it here.

      • +3

        They have a valid point, there's no cheap A to B EVs. For $15K to $30k EVs you'll have to wait until fiat 500e or Wuling Hong Guang to hit the shore; though these extra light cars don't suit Australian market well and may not even make their way here.

        EV charging is still a challenge even in China; during peak travel period many would queue for hours jusr to get to use a charger on the freeway.

        I'm not sure if Australia will have a better, more EV friendly infrastructure in short to medium term; due to the low population density we have, it may not reach economy of scale if too many chargers are installed.

        I like EVs, but IMO the sweet spot is PHEV for the next 10 years until the infrastructure matures. With PHEV you get to take advantage of both fuel sources, and save money on fuel cost until then.

        :)

        • +3

          With Phev you have added complexity and pay the fuel excise and the EV tax on the road. Double dip by the government as well as servicing costs.

          • @[Deactivated]: True on service cost.

            With 100km real world range on newer PHEVs (i.e. Haval H6 PHEV not here yet), most of my trips would be EV only, so no extra excise paid on petrol for my use case except the odd road trips.

            The fuel excise I pay for the road trips frees me from being chained to a charger for hours; the time cost will be well worth the excise in these scenarios.

            And I think my use case probably matches the typical Australian living in the suburbs. Commute can be EV powered, but road trips are still better served eith petrol.

          • @[Deactivated]: Yep, complexity alone has always been a deal breaker for me with hybrids.

        • +2

          I had the same reasoning a year back. But the PHEV isnt cheaper and the battery is much much smaller meaning the number of charge cycles per 100km is much higher than a BEV. So you are likely need to change battery much quicker or the battery degrade a lot faster. I admit i will have 2 cars one petrol and 1 EV. The EV is perfect for city and close road trip commute. The petrol one i will use when i need to drive few hundreds km. We need 2 cars anyway and my 2009 kluger is still perfectly fine.

          • @od810: That's where the warranty matters. Insist on a car with 7 years warranty; worst case is replacing your battery once (in year 8), then hopefully it'll hang on there for a while longer. Next car can be pure electric IF Australia sorts out it's EV charging infrastructure.

  • have you ever charged your EV outside of your place? like the ones in shopping mall, hotels etc.? are they free to charge or how much you need to pay? and how much can you charge at those charging stations?

    • I used to park my Model S P's in hotel carparks with Tesla chargers in Sydney CBD while at work a few years ago when Tesla's were not common and those dedicated Tesla spots were usually empty and readily available. Now forget it, they're all taken by the ubiquitous Model 3's and soon Model Y's. Now I see them plugging them in with extension cords in office underground carparks without permission from the building management.

      • at hotels I guess they are "complimentary" right? I live in apartment so want to know how to work around it if i ever buy a EV.

        • +2

          I live in an apartment and there are plenty of standard 10A powerpoints next to random parking spaces for residents.

          Though you can find free chargers from:

          http://plugshare.com/location/103640

    • +6

      Not had it long enough to charge anywhere other than home.

      I did go to one charging station to give it a go and boom… out of order and has been for over a month according to plugshare.

      Some/almost all the "free" chargers I have seen at shopping centers are either out of order, vandalised or "ICE'd" in by non-EVs. I just wish that some of the EV chargers were not put in the best parking spots in the shopping center, because it just entices arseholes to park there in their jacked up penis extensions. Just put the charging bays in the spots that people park in the least. I don't mind the walk if I'm getting a charge while I shop.

      As for apartment dwellers, you would have to visit a charging station. Some might be free, but broken, ICE'd or in use, or you can use the paid stations and fast charge. It will cost you money, but nowhere near as much as a full tank of petrol.

  • @pegaxs
    if the range of this BYD car is 480km, in ideal situations,
    what is the range, when the car has 5 x passengers
    and it's going uphill (eg. if you're in Sydney and the car is going towards Blue Mountains),
    then won't the range just be severely diminished…say to about 280km ?

    • +3

      480km is NEDC which is completely unrealistic. WLTP is 420km which you might get in ideal situations. Everyday driving will probably be 350km. Your estimate of 280km with a full load is probably quite close. But even the far side of the Blue Mountains is not 280km from anywhere in greater Sydney.

      • I guessed it at 280-km because a friend drove an electric car (I think it was a LEAF) last year
        from Sydney to Blue Mountains, and was panicking as he was stuck in traffic
        AND the terrain was uphill (ie. the engine had to work harder).

    • Don’t know, I have never driven it up to the Blue Mountains with 5 people, uphill, in any vehicle.

      The best part is that if it is all uphill on the way up, when you turn around and start coming home, the extra weight and the down hill run will work the regen to the max. So, what you lose on the way up, a majority of it will be returned on the way back down.

      The good news is that from Ultimo to Lithgow via Richmond is only 143km, and the return trip from Lithgow via Katoomba is only 141km. So, run up the blue mountains, plug in at Lithgow Workers Club while you lunch, head back home via Katoomba.

  • +1

    Bit late to the party here, but had a question. How decent is the stereo in this? Have read reviews where the Model Y is the best one ever for the price and watched a YouTube review of the Atto where the reviewer said it was surprisingly good for the price? Not looking for huge doof doof but the one thing I noticed in a lot of Great Wall and even cheap Japanese cars like the ASX is how hollow and tinny the stereo sound.

    • NO, the party is still going, just most have passed out…

      The stereo is…. well, interesting… There may be an issue with it at the moment, because on DAB or Bluetooth, it is amazeballs. It is so good, like I am talking clean, crisp sound with good meaty bass. Spotify sounds amazing streamed to it, the DAB is so clear. The sound just seems to come at you from every direction. So nice.

      But then you get to where I live and there is no DAB, just FM. And that is where it falls apart. FM reminds me of AM radio from back in the day. I swear it is only coming out the front speakers and sounds so thin and tinny. Almost like it's coming out a PC case speaker from under the dash. I don't know if it is an issue or not, but I will see next OTA update. (I mostly listen to Bluetooth stuff anyway)

  • +1

    Thanks for sharing this. Do you think you can just use EV primarily without any ICE in the family?

    • +1

      For me? Absolutely 100% no problem. 90~95% of my driving is well under 1/2 the full range of this vehicle and my wife does almost 100% of her driving within a 10km radius of home, and even when she does venture out, it's only maybe 50~ish km one way, so 100km round trip.

      At the moment we run a Corolla Hybrid that she puts fuel in about once every 2.5 months because with her 8km round trips to work, the engine barely runs in that time. Shopping is maybe a 10km round trip, so, I would have no issue replacing her car with something like a lower range capacity EV. I'm keeping an eye on the Ora Cat and the BYD Dolphin as her replacement, and I dont care if they only have a range of 250km, because she never exceeds that anyway.

  • Would like to check whether they are open today or not( one off public holiday in NSW), but after checking BYD website, there are no phone numbers for all experience Centres, seems like doggy :-(

    • +2

      Closed public holidays.

      You can drop them an email and they will call or email you back. This is probably the easiest way to get in contact with them to be honest.

      You can go to any of the experience centers to have a look at the vehicles, but you may or may not get a test drive if you just rock up.

      I picked up my car from Castle Hill, and there were 2 cars out on test drives and another two people waiting for them to return to go straight out. The sales manager said that he had the full day booked out with test drives.

      And from what I understand with all the (fropanity) idiots over on the Fartbook groups, I can see why they don't advertise their phone number just yet, because these dumb arse Fartbook arseholes are ringing them constantly to ask the stupidest questions (one guy wanted to know the manufacture dates on the tyres) and it just wastes the call centre's time and resources for legitimate questions.

      • +1

        Thanks

      • Lol I've found the Facebook group hilarious to follow. It's like some people have never even owned a car! Certainly a lot are new car buyers for the first time in a very very long time.

        • +1

          I like all the “I’m going to cancel because *insert stupidest reason you can think of*.

          One guy cancelled his order because he wanted a car with 3 child seat anchors. The car has 3 anchors. He knew it had 3 anchors. He rang and asked about the anchors and was told “two”. He was then told to “have a good weekend” and it was only Monday. Ope, that’s a reason to cancel.

          These are the (fropanity) idiots who are clogging up the phone lines. And I 100% agree, most of these people buying are first time new car buyers.

          If you want a more realistic experience, get onto the NZ BYD and Atto 3 groups. They are chalk and cheese compared to the moaning Karens that inhabit the Aussie groups.

          • @pegaxs: Agree, sadly I think the warranty discussion has caused people now to crawl over every millimetre of the car looking for things to question so the scrutiny is at an insane level!

            • +1

              @drprox: They are the same (fropanity) heads that still think you need to take the car back to the dealer you bought it from to keep your "warranty", even if that dealer is 200km away.

              I tried to educate them on ACL and how the warranty isn't worth the paper it is printed on because consumer rights override this, but they cant be told because "Fartbook."

  • +1

    Great info and congrats on your new EV @pegaxs, glad to see so much interest in EVs lately…One day I hope to own one too

  • Thanks for this OP. What is the tyre size please? Have you sideloaded any interesting apps?

    • It's on the website… 215/55R18. There is a downloadable pdf with all the specs.

    • Wooo… Nothing says high end tyres than "Atlas Batmans" And yes, size as Cliche says above.

      And no, no side loading "yet". Im waiting for the OTA update to come out and see what it is like. If it's garbage, I'll sideload apps I want from there.

      • 235/50R18 have the same circumference so that should open up a few more options if/when you want to replace the tyres.

        • I think I'll stay the same width, (don't want any more rubber on the road than I need) but I might get something a little better in the wet than "Atlas Batmans" next time around.

  • I've recently done a test drive, and here are a few of my thoughts:

    • I'll preface all the below complaints with, It's good value at 50k.
    • The driver's 5" dashboard is tiny and too busy - the MG4 and other EVs which have a larger dashboard are more carefully designed and has less information overload. - It's bad enough where I can't reasonably expect others to simply get in and drive the car with zero instructions.
    • There are a few reviews about how bad the Atto3 handles at high speed - just need to be realistic that it is meant as an A to B car, not a speedster. - It is true tho, when trying to do 0-100, the wheels slip and the system does a poor job at stability control - you can feel the steering wheel pull left and right as the system tries to correct itself. Obvious fix is to not be a hoon.
    • There's less hard-rear-view-mirror visibility out the rear of the car than my camry. The rear glass is hard to see out of, and the C pillars are impossible to see through. - You end up relying on either the hard-side mirrors , or the 360 camera system.
    • Point 2: I don't agree. Although, I would like that when LKA/LPP/LGS/LTA/ACC/whatever other anagrams isnt enabled, for the speedo readout to be bigger. I would also like the screen to fill a bit more of the bezel, but it's hardly "busy" as most of the information is around the outer edge or greyed out/removed when not in use.

      As for "zero instructions, the sales guy just gave me the keys after I signed the papers, slapped me on the arse and sent me on my way. I did not get any "instructions" on how to drive the car and I seem to be doing just fine.

      Point 3: I don't agree. I picked my car up from Sydney and drove it back to work 200km away in the pouring rain on a windy highway full of freight trucks and not once did it feel like it "handled badly at high speed", in fact, if anything, it felt very safe and planted in the wet, most probably due to the very low CoG thanks to that massive, low slung heavy battery pack.

      As for the slipping, I have had this in Eco/Normal/Sport modes and tromped on it in each mode to see how fast it would get up to speed and have never had "wheel spin" in the dry. Even in the wet, the only time I could get it to spin was in Sport mode and nailing it to the floor from a standstill, and the TC took over pretty quick and shut it down. No issue with "stability control" under heavy acceleration, wet or dry.

      Point 4: Kind of agree and disagree… This isn't a sedan, it's a overgrown hatchback, so the rear window is smaller than a Camry. That being said, you can flip the rear camera on and have an absolutely unobstructed view behind you in HD and in almost 8"x8" screen as well as overhead view and 3D views. I don't even use the internal rear vision mirror anymore.

      But I do agree with Point 1: It is hard to beat in the EV sphere at this price point. To even buy an ICE/Hybrid vehicle with all the goddies this one has on it, would be far in excess of what the Atto 3 cost, as an EV.

      • +1

        I've signed my papers - waiting on instructions to pay - tho probably a little delay as I've opted for them to tint the car for me as well.

        Point 2 - basically about 'usability' - it's more from the older generation's point of view. It was relatively easy for my old man to pickup driving the Prius, but I personally wouldn't feel comfortable asking him to learn to drive the Atto3 - the screen's a tad small for his old man eyes, and like many boomers, can't really multitask between screens (the dash, and the multimedia screen).

  • Ok, I crunched some numbers based on my current car vs a $50k EV. Here are the savings:
    - Stamp duty: $1,600
    - EV rebate: $3,000
    - Servicing: $3,259 based on 120k km/8 years
    - Fuel: $16,800. Free at work or/and rental lock-up garage. 15k km/year and 8L/100km. Average petrol price $1.75/L over the next 8 years.
    Total saving: $24,659 MAX.

    Obviously your savings would be lower if you drive less and much lower if you have to pay for electricity in full. People with excess electricity from solar panel like pegaxs can literally charge their EVs for free. Not everyone can benefit from getting an EV so YMMV.

    • I didn't do it for the "cost saving" either (although it is a nice thing to be able to do.) I did it because (fropanity) petrol companies and for the convenience that I can fuel it up at home, out of a hole in the wall of my house and I don't need to drive out of my way to get fuel and I can wake up in the morning knowing that my car will be 100% full when I go to work.

      And I agree. Those that can benefit the most are the heavy city drivers. 20~40km round trips to work through stop/start/crawling traffic all the way is where these cars excel at what they do. If you are doing lots of short trips in your day with maybe a few motorway jaunts, they totally make sense. Even stepping up into a PHEV or Hybrid is a step up in these situations over a straight ICE car.

      Average petrol price $1.75/L

      Better come over here and sit down. I got some bad news for you about fuel prices over the next 8 years, and it isnt going to look as good as $1.75/litre average.

      • +1

        Never going to petrol stations is my favourite reason for sure!
        In VIC chairman Dan will ensure we are being taxed so much there won't be a financial benefit so I had best have some practical ones.

    • Average petrol price $1.75/L over the next 8 years.😄😄😄

      • Exactly my point, right? The higher the petrol prices could be the more EVs will save you if you could charging them cheaply or free. I could save another $2,400 if it's at $2.00/L.

  • I wanted to put my money where my mouth is and buy one of these "cHiNa CaR bAd" EV's so maybe you don't have to.

    So you could've just bought a Tesla?

    • For $30,000 more, yes.

      But Tesla is an American company that manufactures in China, much like Apple do, where as BYD are more like Foxxcon or Xiaomi, a Chinese company that makes things, in China.

      • But they're Chinese manufactured cars, which is what have the poor reputation. China struggled for decades to make vehicles and export them with no dice, until Tesla came along - and they get to steal their IP as well lol.

        • +4

          Mate Tesla want BYD tech so much they're buying their batteries!

        • +3

          I'd say 10 years in future when you look back to 2022, the Chinese EVs/cars today will be seen as the new 'made in West Germany'; quality products at pocket friendly prices.

          Their superior, mature infrastructure as well as economy of scale in China is why these cars are made cheap. Not many countries have that much of competitive advantages in one, if you travel a bit and see for yourself.

  • What's the quality of the 4-outlet powerboard that comes with the car like?

    • Pretty good. It just feels like a regular power board from say, Bunnings but it has a Type 2 plug instead of a regular Aus power outlet plug.

      I took it out of the plastic to check it out, but have not tried to use it.

      • @pegaxs.You might want to watch John Cadogans latest YouTube video, on the BYD Atto3.Interesting to say the least.

        • +1

          Typical Cadogan… He's right about the ridiculous proposition of carrying a generator and fuel in the back of an EV. But his other ranting about not experimenting with BYD must be countered by the fact he can't sell these through his brokering service. Why would he speak positively about a vehicle he can't make money from?

          • @Cliche Guevara: Love him OR hate him, he makes some valid points.If anything he is entertaining.Quite frankly I don’t think he gives a toss about not being able to sell any through his brokering business.That statement is quite ridiculous & unsubstantiated.

            • @Hackney: Hmmmm I dunno, any brand that does fixed price agency he is ferociously critical of. Just look at how he speaks of Merc, Honda and Tesla.

        • +4

          It was more Cadogan tripe. He should go back to making engineering based videos based on facts and stop with the titty montages and the stupid voices. *YoU'd HaVe tO AgReEeEeEe*.

          The other thing was, the video was hardly about BYD (so the title is clickbait at best) and mostly about him ragging on EV's in general, which is ironic considering he owns an EV Kona (which I am no doubt certain he got as part of some "I *heart* Hyundai" backhander.) He said nothing about BYD Atto 3 in general or even hinted that he had even seen a car in the flesh. The whole tone of the video was pandering to the whole "NeW cHiNa CaR bAd" bogans that watch his videos for "the views."

          While some aspects of it were right, specifically re: dealer network, you cant expect a new car franchise to be up to 400 dealers nation wide when they don't have any cars in the country. I mean, GW, MG and LDV didn't have a showroom in every suburb and town when they started selling cars and they seem to be doing OK, so why is BYD expected to have a massive dealer network the day the first car arrives?

          I take everything John has to say with a grain of salt as he has gone from being a well articulated and knowledgeable man to being just another YouTube (fropanity) wit that games the YouTube algorithm for views. His videos have gone from being "facts" to being Fox/Sky News level pandering to the lowest common denominator.

          If anything he is entertaining

          And that's the crux of it. He has jumped the shark from making factual videos based on science and searchable evidence to making tripe opinion pieces "for views".

          • @pegaxs: He did actually, give MG a very good wrap a few weeks back.

            • +2

              @Hackney: Yeah, I watched that, and it seemed reasonably unbiased, but I dare say that BYD/EVDirect have not given him a kickback/free loan car yet as the MG one did seem a little "thanks for the kickback, here have a good review" to me.

              And as much as he says he is unbiased and isn't in anyone's pocket, I beg to differ. All journos are invariably in someone's pocket, be it for advertising, free loaner vehicles or access to their workshops, there is always a greasy palm out somewhere waiting to be oiled.

              It would be nice of him to actually go out and drive the actual vehicle instead of just shoveling shit on brands for the sake of appeasing the mostly bogan viewership. I do like his actual reviews he does when he takes a car out and actually drives it around.

              I tend to ignore any negative conversation about vehicles that starts with, "Yeah, but what John Cadogan says…"

              • @pegaxs: He can be a bit overboard on what he says.He literally will have ago @ any manufacturer, sometimes it’s valid, other times not. He gave Honda a walloping over their agency style model, & said they would not last, I just beg to differ.MB copped it from him as well.He also gave the Kia EV6 a hammering over Wheels giving it car of the year.(stupid anyway).Worth a look.

  • Does it have an option to get the windows tinted? How much will it be?

    • +1

      Yes it does. And for about twice the price that your local window tint guy will do it for.

      I think I was quoted $1,200 from EVDirect for some form of tint (I would imagine the cheapest shit they could buy), I ended up going with a top of the line, UV reflective ceramic tint that cost me $495 from my local guy who does all our cars and our customers cars.

      • Do they have the option of having a tint dye on the window, from factory manufacturing? Or is the only option sticking the tint film on the window manually?

        Is the tint dye on window available for Toyota or are all tinted windows come from sticking a thin film of tint?

        • +1

          I think what you are referring to is "privacy glass" and no, the Atto 3 does not come with nor does it seem to have the option to have it from the factory.

          Usually, privacy glass is just that, dark coloured glass and it does nothing other than offering privacy. It cuts down on light transmission, but not the heat or UV entering the vehicle. Aftermarket tints are much better at UV and heat ingress protection (if you get the right stuff).

  • Can it be connected to a phone to the screen and use google map for navigation or does it require the use of vent holder to hold the phone to show google navigation?

    • +1

      Not yet. AA and ACP will be coming in an update some time next month. The demo cars at the "experience centers" have this already, but everyone else is waiting for OTA update. There is conflicting information on if this will be wired or wireless AA/ACP. I'll report back once I have it installed.

      As for holder, I dont know really. It has a Qi wireless charger area right under the screen and a big gap under the centre console to store stuff. But at the moment, If you needed to use Waze or Google maps, you would need to have the phone in a holder.

      The other option is you can "side load" Android apps onto the screen. Google maps wont work (no Google Services Framework), but Waze, Sysgic and ABRP do work if side loaded.

  • +1

    Thanks pegaxs for being open and taking one for the team! Keep up the awesome work!

    When purchasing the EV was there any option of paying it via credit card? Fully / partially, if so was there a surcharge?

    Also is range anxiety real? Driving our ICE cars I when the low fuel gauge appears I still feel confident that I could drop by to a petrol stop to fill up (in suburbia of course) but I would think otherwise if I had an EV if there was 50km left in range…. What’s the lowest battery level / range left that you’ve left it down before starting to feel uneasy and the need to charge it up? Is there a psychological level that you wouldn’t go into no man’s land for battery level / range?

    • +5

      They only accepted direct deposit for the payment. Wouldn’t even let me take a bank cheque down on the day, but I just used a bank cheque to deposit it at their bank. I don’t think you could use a credit card, you might have to call them up and ask.

      No, range anxiety is not real if you are smart and plan a long trip. The benefit of EVs is you can charge them at your house and every morning it can be at a full tank.

      My biggest fear is going somewhere there is a single DC charger, only to get there to find it is out of order and I have to use the 10A granny charger to get home. But it’s no different to getting stuck without petrol. At least there is more of a chance of finding a power outlet than there is fuel laying around. Bad part is, I can’t just walk/hitch a ride, get a jerrycan of electrons and top the car off.

      And I have stopped thinking about my EV like an ICE vehicle. You have to break the mentality of fueling it like a car and treat it more like charging it like a smart phone. At the end of the day, if you are done driving it, plug it in.

      The thing is to know the limits of your car and plan accordingly. Get out of that ICE habit of only filling your car when empty and just plug your EV in every time it’s sitting around doing nothing.

      And people need to get over the whole “I’ll buy an EV when they are over 1000km range”, when a: they would never do that in one sitting anyway, and b: their current ICE vehicle doesn’t do that kinda range and c: their average daily usage is 50km and their average weekend out is 100 to 200 one way, for 2 days away. Plenty of downtime to charge the vehicle before you return.

      Most of the fear around EVs is put out into the market by the big petrol companies who want you addicted to their sales model, when the reality of it is that most people would benefit from having at least one PHEV or full EV in their garage.

      So, in all that, it’s; know you’re vehicle and it’s capability, plan your route, know your destinations, plug in if you have some extended downtime.

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