AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 8-Core AM4 3.4GHz CPU Processor
- Number of Cores: 8
- Number of Threads: 16
- Max. Boost Clock: Up to 4.5GHz
- Base Clock: 3.4GHz
- Total L1 Cache: 512KB
- Total L2 Cache: 4MB
- Total L3 Cache: 96MB
- Default TDP: 105W
- Processor Technology for CPU Cores: TSMC 7nm FinFET
- CPU Socket: AM4
- Thermal Solution Included: Not Included
Check msfs benchmarks. It depends on game, but this is the king of single core bound titles and its far more than 15 percent gap.
50 game average at 1080p
The 1% mins are reportedly so much higher it has a huge visual impact to smoothness though, and then there's.
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/uploads/default/original/…
Even compared to a 5800x it is an astounding leap for some games that are easily cpu bound.
@[Deactivated]: 1080p gaming. Also, it is technically cheating. So, we are now letting Intel cheat with more e cores and AMD throwing in larger cache.
Spend the money on a better graphics card helps more.
@[Deactivated]: It will be crushes by 7800X3D…i think by that time the 5800X3D will be around $450AUD
@vid_ghost: 7600X is already crushing it in general applications and games where extra cache doesn't help much.
It was a stop gap, making AMD fans feel good product. It's still way too expensive.
@Jazza2400: No. Its on par with most other games and beats them in two other modern titles as shown even on microsofts own hilariously obfuscated marketing materials.
For an end of socket upgrade, its amazing for gaming.
I agree, and will only buy one to replace my 5600 if they get decently cheaper than this. But that said, if it raises the threshold on your existing system to where it won't be CPU bound at 4K in say, 5-6 years instead of 2-3, there is an argument that it will be worth it. Crystal ball stuff, but if you've got a B550 system with PCIe 4.0 slot for the GPU, you probably won't max that bandwidth out for a while, so if the CPU can keep up it might be the new Sandy Bridge i5 type thing in terms of longevity?
A 5600 probably won't be CPU bound (in games) for the next 10 years or so except in some titles (notably badly optimised simulators)
The X3D smashes anything else in flight sims.
I drive a Subaru and consider Ferrari's to be horrible value.
For some reason…
Of course, like many people who object to the tenets of capitalism, I suspect some of my opinions may change if I had a little more capital…
@Canberralad92: I trust you bought yours second hand - they're much cheaper than new ones for some reason…
I'm considering upgrading for my use case - for physics intensive games such as driving or flight sims at 1440p I've seen frame rate increases of up to 50% over the 5600x.
Depends on the use case right.
I personally have been very keen on upgrading to this from the 5600, as my use case is predominantly VR Sim Racing, which the 3d cache appears to play a massive role in improving. 40% in the case of ACC, which is a heavily CPU-based game.
Most importantly for VR, it raises the problematic 1% lows that can get super uncomfortable after a while and are downright nausea inducing if low enough.
For regular games, like shooters or whatever it makes less sense, but definitely does in some cases.
You've hit the nail on the head.
For whatever reason, even veteran benchmarkers seem to be focusing on average fps. We've long since evolved beyond such a simplistic view of performance. 1% and 0.1% stats are the new standard of smooth, consistent performance. And in that regard, apparently massive level 3 cache is extremely important.
I think a lot of people get caught up in average performance and miss the forest for the trees (though in this case it's perhaps more missing the trees for the forest?).
On average, there's a whole lot of CPUs that are going to give performance levels that most people won't be able to tell apart in a blind test. Alder Lake with DDR5, Ryzen 7000, Raptor Lake, the 5800X3D, and yeah even regular Vermeer Ryzen 5000 CPUs. They're all "good enough" in that regard and looking at the average of 50 games at 1080p is arguably the wrong way to do it.
For some games like MSFS, stuff like Factorio, a bunch of MMOs, and VR, this CPU can be transformative. For someone who primarily plays those kinds of games, or any title where the addition of 3D V-Cache is pushing performance to previously unattainable levels, I think it's well worth the cost. You don't even need the highest end GPU to benefit from the vastly increased percentile framerate performance.
If you just want something that'll perform well in most games, you don't need a $610 Ryzen 7 5800X3D, because you could spend half that and get a Core i5-12600K or Ryzen 5 5600 and end up "close enough".
We need to start treating gaming CPU comparisons a bit like GPUs. There are some games where Radeon cards are better than GeForce, and some games where the opposite is true. The same absolutely applies to 3D V-Cache, because even with Ryzen 7000 now available and Raptor Lake just around the corner, there are still going to be specific games where the 5800X3D is going to crush them all. Intel sheepishly included it in their Core i9-13900K comparisons and it trades blows with the (now last-gen) 5800X3D, and AMD avoided talking about it entirely when launching Ryzen 7000.
The real magic of the 5800X3D IMO is that it can be socketed in as an easy upgrade for millions of AM4 systems out there. $610 for a CPU is still a lot of money, but this is essentially "next-gen" gaming performance that can be installed in a system that might be 5 years old, with no other changes needed except for a BIOS update beforehand.
@Jopup … did you upgrade from the 5600x or 5600 ?? I always though ACC was GPU heavy (unless you are racing AI ?).
I race 99.9% ACC, triple 1440k, with a 5600x / 2080Ti .. and getting about 70 - 100fps (league racing)
I will get (min) 3080 10g … but waiting for 4080 tests for ACC to come out
Based on what you have said … the X3D throws another spanner in the woodworks :P
People keep commenting that this CPU is overpriced, unfortunately Intel's own 13th gen presentation shows the 13900k losing to it in certain games.This has helped raise ithe status even more of the 5800X3D a good gaming CPU.
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/xpmc9q/whats_up_with…
It's also no 3 on Amazon US top selling CPUs. Was no 1 after the Intel 13th gen presentation a few days ago.
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computer-CPU-Processors/…
I think you should learn how to read and spell "bruz!". You also need a grammar lesson.That's why I said "certain games", and not all games.
If the argument was only about gaming performance versus the 13900k, then the 5800x3D loses in the overwhelming majority of cases. So presumably the “losing to it in certain games” part equates to the former winning in 95%+ games.
Assuming the Intel offers on average 10% better gaming performance (it’s probably closer to 20% on “certain games”) then that’s significant enough to make it a worthy alternative, despite being $500 dearer.
However, most people use a PC for part productivity too, and in that department the 5800x3D is simply obliterated by the 13900k - enough to make any AMD fanboy cry.
Oooooo now do the TDP, DDR5, and 1st gen of a new socket motherboard dot points.
Soon as I seen someone say "fanboy", It's blatantly obvious their comments will come with no evidence, just someone pulling numbers out of thin air. Intel's own 13th gen presentation indicates that 5800X3D will be competitive with their top tier CPU. AMD has indicated that they will still support AM4 in future at Computex 22. Hence the overall platform cost will be cheaper than anyone wanting to make the switch. LTT and JayZ videos, analysing the Intel presentation, already provide enough evidence to indicate that the 12900k and 5800X3D will be competitive with the 13900k.
Am i misunderstanding things or are people forgetting that you dont buy this cpu for the highs.. you buy it to beat those lows.
Allot of games have a fair amount of frame dips that from what i've seen in benchmarks this cpu actually significantly improves upon.
whos still playing game at 1080p in 2022 ? 1080p fps has long been irrelevant.
Remember people buys high end CPU not only for games, there are lots of productivity workload
According to Steam's September 2022 Hardware & Software Survey, the majority (66%) of people still run 1080p for their primary display. I'm one of them - I still have two 24" 165Hz g-sync displays, and because it's in a small room on a small desk, I don't want anything bigger (yet).
Hey mate,
At high-res gaming, the performance is almost always bound by the GPU so in order to compare CPU performance in games side by side, they need to pick a low enough resolution that will result in the CPU becoming the bottleneck.
For example, some recent CSGO at 1080p benchmarks from Hardware Unboxed on YT. You can clearly see the difference in performance for each CPU.
7700x: 543 fps
7950x: 511 fps
7600X 487 fps
12900k: 450 fps
5800 x3d: 374 fps
5800x: 369 fps
5600x: 364 fps
Value wise it's hard to pass up the 5600 at ~$200 the 5800X3D is priced a bit too high right now but the argument could easily be made for someone on selling and upgrading instead of going to the 7000 series which has all these adoption costs.
This chip is a rip off. Should be 450.
Definitely 400 - 450 mark is a good price for an obsolete CPU
It's not exactly obsolete, this is the best of the best for gaming on AM4 and will remain that way - these kinds of CPUs always hold their value. It's competitive with the best that 12th Gen Core and Ryzen 7000 have to offer on that front, and Intel themselves are showing its competitive with 13th Gen Core as well.
3D V-Cache does wonders for specific types of games, so while average performance is close to a wash between high-end Alder Lake/Rocket Lake with DDR5 and Ryzen 7000, there are numerous instances where the 5800X3D still crushes all others in either average performance, percentiles/minimums, or both.
One can assume it won't be until Ryzen 7000 X3D that the 5800X3D gets noticeably displaced from the leading pack of CPU performance for games, and even then the 5800X3D is still a no-brainer upgrade for users on AM4 looking to keep their current platform as an upgrade to AM5 will still be very expensive.
Lol downvote away people who like rip offs and paying $150 bucks for some cache. Can nearly buy another 6 core CPU for the difference in price Between this and regular 5800x.
I didn't downvote your comment, but your example doesn't really work because you can't run 2 CPUs at once on an AM4 board, so the fact you can buy another 6 core for the price difference between this and the vanilla 5800X is irrelevant.
You shouldn't really be buying the 5800X for gaming anyway if you care about value, because even if you think 8 cores will be useful in the near term future, the 5700 exists and is very similar in performance
It was more a point that and can produce and sell another 6 core CPU for around the cost of some extra cache compared to 5800x..of course I don't think you can run 2 CPU's on one board lol.
I think people down vote you because you are from Canberra and are proud of it!
Lol righto bruz.
@Canberralad92: I don't think it's because of your narrow view on the merits of this CPU or that you're coming across as bitter because you (understandably) chose a cheaper chip and lesser performing chip instea.
But please, until you get a better understandings of how economics works or the law of diminishing returns, spare us any more of your "bruz" hyperbole…
OzRRP
@yeahbudsimmons, I know right :(
Maybe 500 absolute tops.
Based on what?
People will always pay a premium for premium quality. This is no different, as evidence by the strong sales of the 5800x3d since release, irrespective of how you come to your pricing conclusion.
Hint - I don't think AMD had you in mind as their target customer…
Based on price to performance ratios. Do you understand what those are?
@Canberralad92: Which is how many people shop. I get it - you don't have to feel ashamed because you are not in the niche market AMD target with their premium product.
The 3500, 3600X, 5600 and 5600X are great performing chips which represent great value. Celerons were great CPUs in there day as well - all the moreso if you couldn't afford a Premium Pentium.
But don't kid yourself that there's not a market who can afford to pay appreciably more for a superior product that you dismiss because you can't justify or afford the price premium. It's just horses for courses, kid…
@UncleRico: Bruz all I said is it's a rip off. Stop getting all deep and reading into things that just aren't there haha. If people with money to burn want to buy it doesn't change the fact it's poor value when you consider price / performance.
@Canberralad92: And I agree with you.
For people who don't have $600, it's not good value.
Stop letting it upset you. Too many of your comments are being greyed out and hidden already…
I'm on an old i5-4690.
I'm thinking of going old used hardware Zen 3 3000 series the upgrade to this in the future when prices go down.
I suspect the AM4 X3D prices will stay comparitively high given they are the ultimate drop in upgrade for anyone with the rest of the hardware already
Well, motherboards are usually the first to go, so it'll probably start floating out there at some point.
It's just that, by then, mid rangers will beat this lol.
3XXXX right now makes little sense, it's too close in price with 5XXXX. The only issue is motherboard compatibility can be a problem, many dirt cheap boards out there needs a bios update for 5XXX chips.
Even used hardware? :(
3600 is going for 160-180 bucks.
5600 have been going for around 230 bucks.
If we include motherboard price differences, it's probably only around 80-100 bucks. If you compare it with i3 12100F, it's only 50 bucks difference, with upgrade path to 13th gen Intel.
If you're really going to save, maybe consider getting the 1600, 150 bucks difference and let's you bios update cheap b450 boards, but that chip struggles with Elden ring for some reason. Or just import an e3 1270v3.
AMD Ryzen 3 3300X used will most likely come with a more cost effective motherboard. So, you could end up with a B450 or X470 motherboard. You are looking at PCIe gen 2 slots (and likely only 1 PCIe gen 3 x16 slot, unless it comes with a X470 supporting PCIe bifurcation).
Any second hand with B550 or X570 probably won't be cheap.
You don't want to commit to a platform that has reached sunset phase with a plan to upgrade the CPU later on. 5800X3D will most likely never be as cost effective as non X3D version of CPUs. The fundamental issue is high speed cache costs money (more expensive than top quality RAM).
@netsurfer: I got my b550m gigabyte gaming X for less than 100 bucks. Many of those kinds of deals go for that price very often. Yes, it's double the cost of b450 boards, but you're looking at only 100 bucks difference in motherboard + cpu price. Like you said, b450 only comes with pcie gen 3, might as well get pcie Gen 4 slot just incase low-mid range gpu cards in the future removes even more pcie lanes, plus the additional 20% increase in cpu speed.
I agree about the upgrade thing though, personally think it's either commit to the 5600 build (or i3 12100f build), or import an e3-1270v3 for 70 bucks and call it a day.
@Wonderfool: No, B450 chipset only supports PCIe gen 2. The PCIe gen 3 part is from the CPU AND we know AMD blocked PCIe gen 4 support on B450 and X570 (in BIOS AGESA microcode) causing people to cave in to B550. That's my main gripe with B550, AMD tweaked AGESA to force people to go B550, so "great" about platform longevity. Releasing B550 one year later than X570 is shrewd from AMD.
Thing is, if the final target CPU is 5800X3D (not that I recommend it), is B550m "really" the right one to use? B550 chipset only allows PCIe gen 3. Sure, you get PCIe gen 4 support from the CPU. Unless you get a high end B550 board, you are looking at just 1 PCIe gen 4 x4 SSD (the really high end one splits the x16 slot to x8, x4 x4 so you could get 3 PCIe gen 4 NVMe SSDs, but such board costs more than low end X570 boards).
He said second hand and Ryzen 3. Are you implying majority of people selling second hand Ryzen 3 3xxx series CPUs sell them with cost effective B550 boards? If not, and you have to pay $100 extra for a new low end B550 board, is that worthwhile for another CPU upgrade down the track? I don't think 1 m.2 NVMe PCIe gen 4 SSD makes that much sense. It's mainly more for bragging and feel good when you run Crystal DiskMark. How are you going to effectively put data onto that SSD fast enough? With B550, getting Thunderbolt 3/4 to work without issue isn't that easy nor cheap and even that only gives you PCIe gen 3 x4 speed.
If he cannot resist 5800X3D eventually, then don't go the interim step to Ryzen 3. It doesn't make sense to do AM4 CPU upgrades now for people without an AM4 motherboard. If you are building an AM4 system, do it correctly now. Don't buy into the marketing BS that CPU upgrades on existing platform is so great. An upgrade is still an upgrade (still cost $$$). X570, there are also a newer iteration which aimed to address some of the minor quirks and better compete with Intel 12th gen chipsets (2.5Gbps LAN or better, Wifi 6/6E support, USB-C header support).
@netsurfer: What? B450 only support pcie 2? You're gonna need to link some. Pcie 3 is a 11 year old standard, way before the am4 platform even released. I look at budget b450 asrock boards and they have pcie 3.
My question is, will we see further price drops on this CPU in the coming weeks? It's already dropped from ~$649 to ~$619 to now $609.
Pull the trigger or wait for sub-$600?
If they are selling out at $609, doubtful we'll see another drop especially soon
If you are to upgrade now, you will have an AM4. So regardless of what 7000 3D can do you cannot upgrade to it.
Wait. Just hold till 7000 series 3D cache model, and buy 5800X3D for a discounted price.
5900x is cheaper than this. It will drop in price, unless fanboys keep buying.
So is the 3600x.
Wanna have a guess why?
Why are you talking about 3600x lol.
@Canberralad92: It's cheaper than your 5600 and has great bang for buck.
I just assumed you'd be urging people to buy it instead of a 5800x3d?
I'm waiting for X3D mobile
Will this be worth upgrading from my 5600G?
5600g has half the cache as 5600x. 5800x3d has massive cache upgrade which comes with massive performance increases in some games.
Any recommendations for a beamNG build for the kids?
5600/5600x/12400 paired with a 6700xt or should I go a bit more for the 5800x3D?
Upgrade CPU gives you way less performance than upgrade your GPU. So 5600/12400 is good enough for a 6700xt. If you want a significant upgrade, go from 6700xt to 6800xt/6900xt will be more obvious on your FPS with similar amount of money.
Remember this golden rule, best CPU/GPU combo is the CPU is around half price of your GPU.
ahhh the good OLD rule.
The 6700 XT will be the bottleneck 95% of the time. Put money into upgrading that rather than getting a top end CPU.
AMD doing an Apple on pricing me thinks. I think they also want to build a spaceship headquarters building somewhere in the US.
Can anyone suggest a best bang for buck upgrade cpu + mobo combo? currently running a 6700k and 3070(planning on keeping the 3070). Mainly play FPS 1080p 240hz.
TIA!!
you didn't mention which 6700k, just get this CPU or 5600x with B550 mobo
Is there more than one 6700k?
12400F or 12600k + with B660M or Z690m
The intel chips are a little faster but use more power and dont come with CPU coolers
The AMD chips user less power and are cheaper
5600 or 5700X with B550
It also depends on which games you play, cyberpunk 2077 performs better on intel right now
I have an i7 920 CPU is this a good upgrade?
Depends
No as you cant use it on Intel (this is AMD).
Name checks out
I ordered over the weekend and just got an email saying they have sold out with no ETA for next shipment - pretty poor that they'd still take orders in that situation.
Anyone else in the same boat? Struggling to find anywhere in stock for remotely near the same price, so should I just wait and hope?
Same deal for me, I opted to wait, they have now popped an ETA on their site of the 26th. But said it may be earlier.
Stupid question, if I have a 5900X and play Fortnite competitive 1080p should I sell it and go for the 5800X3D? I've heard it pushes the limits on 1080p games? I only game, no productivity.
Not looking at upgrading to DDR5 anytime soon, at least for another year or two but I'll definitely be getting the 4090 and selling the 3090 Aorus Master.
I feel like this is still overpriced when a the Ryzen 5600 will set you back $240 but is only 15% slower in games according to hardware unboxed 50 game average at 1080p using a super high end GPU.. as you go up in rez this % will also drop…
This goes for the intel chips too.. the high end are only 15% faster vs the $200-$300 cheaper CPU's in the same generation.. money better spent on a monitor upgrade