Brand new next gen AMD CPUs at very good prices, especially as you can pick them up from stores directly.
Yes they are not cheap items and will probably get cheaper eventually like all tech products. They also require pricey motherboards which doesn't help the value equation but if you want one today, these are good prices.
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cause they are too expensive
Just the cpus or the fact that you have to build the entire system essentially
cpus and motherboards, especially motherboards
@PennyPincher11: U can buy ram that's cheap, says ddr5 but is actually worse than the same priced ddr4.b
Everyone's tightening belt because next year, everything going up in prices… (utilities bills and etc..)
The chip shortage isn’t going away any time soon. I’m buying what I can, where I can, when it comes to certain things anyway. Last gen CPU’s are pretty good so it’s not surprising these aren’t selling like hot cakes.
@WindowsXP: It's the start of the "CPUs aren't worth upgrading for 10 years" era.
5 year old CPUs are still solid, and the rate of performance increase is only getting slower.
The CPU price is actually OK. The 7700X is at 5800X3D pricing but games and computes faster. But the motherboard and RAM is whats gonna bite. To add to this, intels got the 13600K.
Yeah but the Intel platform isn't that much cheaper if at all. There is the argument that you could go DDR4 but then if that's the option you could also just get a 5800x3d on the zen 3 platform both are "dead" platforms.
There is the argument that you could go DDR4 but then if that's the option you could also just get a 5800x3d on the zen 3 platform both are "dead" platforms.
But how many people actually upgrade just their CPUs ? I’ve been building and buying pre-built desktops for over two decades, but I have never ever upgraded just the CPU. I've either bought a whole new system or replaced the motherboard CPU and RAM all at once. So buying a “dead” platform IMHO is not a concern for most people as long as they re getting good value for money.
For example you could get an intel 12600K with a decent MB and 32GB of DD4 RAM for around $300 less than what you’d pay for a 7600x +MB + 32GB of DDR5 RAM. For most people there wouldn't be a difference between the two, but I’m pretty sure you are better off saving that $300 to day and putting that towards upgrading the MB and RAM with a new CPU in 5 years than just buying a new CPU to go with a first gen AM5 motherboard you buy today (assuming AMD will keep their promise of supporting AM5 platform for 5 years, lets not forget AMD only started supporting 5000 series CPUs on 300 series motherboards just this year, more than a year after they introduced 5000 series. IMHO they only did that to sell more chips under fierce competition from Intel with their 12th gen CPUs).
But how many people actually upgrade just their CPUs ? I’ve been building and buying pre-built desktops for over two decades, but I have never ever upgraded just the CPU.
Normally not that common, as you know Intel would change the socket quite often over last 20yrs.
But if AM4, lots of people would have just done a CPU. Especially the early adopters like Ryzen 1000,2000.
@BTMoustachio: exactly this. Just upgraded my sons AM4 from a 1600x to 5600X. 30min upgrade for massive improvements. Few hundred bucks.
@opt: Well if you buy at the start of a new platform you could save money by only having to buy a CPU down the road when the best CPU for that socket is released.
Other situations are people buying budget and upgrading later or enthusiasts wanting to have the best may also change more frequently.
@BBear53: Future proofing argument doesn't hold water when you can just buy new mobo+ram down the line for much cheaper. B550 and x570 have been available for 100-150 bucks for 3 years now. Meanwhile cheapest x670 board is 500+ bucks.
Also unless you've got a 4090 and only play at 1080p, anything more than am4 or 12/13th gen intel is overkill for the next 3-5 years.
Even ddr5 is not that expensive anymore, it's just the holy-priced motherboards….
@Tleaves: Still very expensive if you want something that's not cheap jedec speeds (4800/5200).
The 'sweet spot' memory of this gen that amd+intel are targetting is around 6000mhz cl32. Those start from 350 bucks for 32gb. 3200c16 is half that by comparison.
@JerraJones: Well..get crucial/samsung/hynix stock ram and overclock yourself, it might be cheaper.
Not sure how much 'sweet spot' has been tested yet, but if you compare, 6000 cl32 ddr5 might be similar with 3600 cl16 ddr4.
At pcpartpicker:
6000 cl32 2x16gb ddr5 under $420: 7 products
3600 cl16 2x16gb ddr4 under $300: 10 products
4800 cl40 2x16gb ddr5 crucial $220
3200 cl22 2x16gb ddr4 crucial $160
The CPUs aren't the problem is the damn motherboards.
lol what. how is over double the price for ~10% more performance not a problem?
Both
Probably due to the new AM5 socket, you must get a new board and DDR5 dram with it, that's quite expensive now. After the price become reasonable, people like me will grab this generation, and have at least 2 generations to pick in the future upgrade.
Yeah but the old CPUs are still really, really strong as well, so they're kind of victims of their success. Also, me personally? I've been an early adopter before. No thanks, not here to beta test new gear. Also the new stuff seems REALLY hot and power hungry.
I agree about the old CPUs still being very strong especially if you game at 1440p & 4K (more load on the GPU) We really need GPU performance to jump ahead, which to some degree it has with the new RTX 4090. The trouble is nobody in their right mind should pay $3K for a GPU unless they use it to make money on…sheer madness!
Yeah like everyone I'm impressed at the 4090 but for it's the price of an entire VERY strong rig from about 3 years ago just for one component… plus I have a noctua big HSF in a lian li tower. To fit a 4090 I'd have to mount vertically AND change cooler to an AIO solution to be able to fit it…
But even if it was just slot in and go, at these prices I can't justify it. Not when my PS5 gives so much joy for the whole family already. Also I suspect they released the 4090s first to impress us all with the performance and to have the early adopters and enthusiasts buy all the stock. I suspect the jump from 3080 to 4080 will be the traditional +30% that we usually see.
For the gains the new gen has, imo it's not worth it due to power usage. I have a 5700x @ 65w/4.7ghz. I know it's a bit more powerful, but the 7800x @ 170w! Massive jump in power usage. Not to mention the power-hungry monster 4090@450w+!! Have fun cooling those items in the Aussie summer and power bill @+50%. If you have a much older platform, sure upgrade it. Not worth it if you have a AM4 rig
Absolutely. With power prices going through the roof it seems crazy that people are basically putting V8 engines in their rigs. Yes the performance IS amazing but it's also overkill for most and sitting in front of a hot, loud rig gets old. Sure you can put on headphones but as you said, Australian summer is coming, wearing ear muffs with speakers isn't the most comfortable thing to do.
I have a 5600x but I mainly game on my ps5 now, the rig is for work. I'd jump to a 5900/5950 so I don't have to change mobos but with the pricing, it's actually only a few hundred more to go to intel…
At the end of the day I'm pretty happy with my 5600x and I LOVE that it's so cool and quiet. If it was a few hundred more to get a new CPU I'd do it, but not $600+. Add a new mobo, cpu and possibly ram? That's a lot. I still remember the days (because it was literally only a few years ago) where not a lot of money could get a really decent rig. Things changed. It's expensive now! And it feels really stupid to me that they're wasting so much power. Efficiency is where we should be heading, not raw power. It's not smart.
170W TDP doesn't mean it will use 170W all the time! Newer CPU usually have better efficiency so for the same tasks you actually use less energy.
Good price for the 7800x as the few 7700x deals we had here were more expensive, but I think 7600x for 429 and 7900x for 821 should be the baseline for a 'good deal' given zen4 isnt showing as competitive as raptor lake offerings not to mention the downsides you mentioned.
Also note a $9 shipping price at least to the two metropolitan addresses I checked. Not sure if its flat postage for au wide.
you trolling?
No. Why?
There is no 7800x currently available, it's meant to be 7700x.
@combatant: Gotcha. My bad on not checking. With that said my point still stands, lowest 7700x deals are all 599 which makes this a fair deal, the other two, on the other hand, probably not worth a buy.
Same prices on Amazon with next day delivery.
https://www.amazon.com.au/AMD-Ryzen-7700X-Desktop-Processors…
Would be easier to return with Amazon too instead of getting the third degree from MSY for returning a product.
I just did exactly this, returned and re-ordered after price dropped by $90 from Amazon. Tried asking for a credit, but the support agent said they couldn't do that, best option was to pay a $7 return fee, for a full refund and re-order. still saving $83 so it's a win.
I still think the 5600 for $199 is just a better deal.
this offers better performance sure, but it's not worth 150% more cost vs 25-30% performance jump
Is that the scale of the jump? Seriously?
More like 5-15% game FPS jump… If you have a 4090 and running at 1080p, otherwise even less.
“AMD not greedy they are consumer friendly by choice!!”
Also AMD prices Ryzen 5 above $450 now
maybe now people will stop worshipping these companies
Intel wins the CPU performance this gen.
I think you meant $/flop. But that's fairly typical for non-new motherboards. Better cheap 1700 board options.
For work like graphical, yes.
For gaming, no difference noticable
With double power consumption.
Also wins the how much energy you can use category
Maybe but at the higher intel CPU stack they suck juice down like Olie Reed on a bender!
Who's Olie Reed? Lol
Maybe for the moment.
They messed up by ditching ddr4
Otherwise would be semi competitive
DDR5 isn't that expensive, $119 for 2x8GB 4800MHz modules. You'd pay a similar price for 2x8GB 3600MHz RGB DDR4.
The price of X670 motherboards is what is absurd
Yeah but the performance is actually worth
You want at least 32GB for ddr5 and the latency on the 4800hmz ones are not ideal
And amd are known to be dependent on ram lantency
DDR5 4800 8x2 worse performance than ddr4 3600.
you need at least ddr5 5600 or even 6000 to match the gaming performance of d4 3600.
Cheers, I'll keep that in mind / research it.
I'm thinking of switch to Intel this gen.
Yeah but we all already own DDR4 if we're upgrading. So it's an extra cost. Specially for those of us with work rigs who need 32GB ram. So painful!
Sell the ddr4 you have…?
@Tleaves: Totally. Very possible, but why would I when there are so many better options?
1- Stay with AM4 and just upg just my cpu. Easiest but slightly more expensive than:
2- switch to Intel. New mobo, new cpu, faster and more powerful but worse on heat and electricity.
Coming in at a very distant 3- switch to AM5. Most expensive as it requires new mobo, new cpu, new ram and it will be slower than intel.
So I can't see why anyone would move to AM5 right now. The most complicated, expensive solution with the worst performance. I have to hand it to Intel. They played it well.
all already own DDR4 if we're upgrading.
some of us dont.
i'll be upgrading from 3930k to a 7950X
i'll probably wait six months though.
hear me out… 1x8GB sizes as a standard should just die already.
16GB and 32GB should be the normal range now.
yet here we are, being forced to buy 4x8gb to make up 32gb and wait for 1x32gb to hit the market so that you can have enough ram to fully make use of the CPU's capabilities.
Heard PC chip shortage is over. Gonna be glut of excess soon. More price drops on the way.
That's what I'm hoping. I'm sticking with AM4 because i want a cheap upgrade, not a complete rebuild but the cpu prices have to come a LOT down first!
It's funny that the CPU wars have heated up to this extent because the market for desktop computers gets smaller every year. And so the manufacturers start making them faster, louder, hotter and more expensive.
Quite surprising to be honest.
at these prices, it would be worthwhile to look into Intel 13th gen offerings
If you’re gaming, isn’t the 13600k the top choice atm?
That's if you don't mind the extreme heat coming out of all 13th Gen CPUs from Intel and the power usage is mind-blowing.
That’s good to know. I don’t know much about PC’s, I’m looking at making the switch to PC gaming but still on the fence on whether to go AMD or Intel. My PC will be in a hot room that doesn’t get the air con so I don’t need something generating a lot more heat haha.
When I looked on reddit the other day it seemed that everyone was recommending the 13600k but I guess I’ll do some more research and wait for better prices
While gaming the extra heat generation should be fairly negligible. It's the high intensity productivity stuff (video rendering at the end of an edit, code compiling etc) that send power and heat into the stratosphere. A hot room with no aircon is probably bad news for any PC though, what GPU are you going to run?
@TimR31: I won’t be doing any of that stuff, just general WFH tasks and gaming. I’d like to game at 2k but I want high FPS cause I’ll mainly be playing shooters (atm it’ll be the new modern warfare / war zone).
Not sure what kind of build I need to hit 200 fps on 2k res, probably have around 4k to spend so a 4090 is out of the question. Hoping for something competitive from AMD.
Ideally I’d like something future proof a bit so I was leaning towards a build that can use ddr5 which is why I’m kind of leaning towards a 13600k with ddr4 atm, then later upgrade the mobo and run ddr5 when the prices drop if I’m not satisfied with the current performance
I guess it’s a crap time for me to buy something, might be smart to just wait a little longer and go an AM5 build when prices drop
4k to spend
Thoughts:
$4000 won't give you much extra performance over $3000
4000 is deep into the silly overpriced vanity top end. The fact there's a GPU so ludicrously overpriced that it doesn't even fit such a huge budget is unprecedented.
That won't last more than a few months, either. Vanity top end prices fall much faster than mid or budget parts
Right now they are falling several times faster than usual because we're still coming down from the crazy peaks of the GPU crisis that saw video cards sell for over triple the normal prices. They are still about 1.5 to 2 times the price.
So you stand to waste thousands if you don't aim for the almost-top instead of the top, or at least wait for prices to settle a bit.
I'd recommend waiting a month for the new AMD GPU release, buying something then for 3k almost identical to what you can buy now for 4, and saving the rest for the next upgrade.
It's up to you, maybe your a billionaire and don't care, but just be aware of the situation.
@GandalfTheCheap: Thanks, that’s good advice. Exactly what I was planning on doing - See how AMD’s launch affects the GPU market and wait out some price drops.
I’m also waiting for a decent 240hz 2k monitor to come back in stock. By the time I get that hopefully prices have dropped a little further!
Is gaming at 2k more focused on the GPU? If so, I’m thinking if I was to go the 13600k route, would that serve me well with a decent GPU hitting 200+ FPS now, then in the future would I just have to upgrade the GPU? Not sure how powerful the CPU is / how much life I can get out of it.. this is all new to me
@johnnytran: By 2K you mean 1440p right?
These days the very top CPU isn't even 5% faster than the mid-range gaming CPUs unless you're playing at 1080p.
Yeah a 13600k won't need upgrading for years as the GPU will be the bottleneck. You could easily upgrade GPU in a couple of years and still be at the top with that CPU.
@GandalfTheCheap: Yep 1440p. That’s good to know, thanks a lot for your help. I’ll be happy going down the 13600k route then and doing a GPU upgrade in the future when needed.
I’m not someone that upgrades often (my pc is like 5 years old, has a gtx 1070) so now that I know a little more I don’t think it makes sense for me to go AM5 if I don’t intend on upgrading the CPU
Extreme heat is the higher end chips on extreme/taxing workloads, in gaming all chips AMD or Intel will be fairly reasonable power wise. The 13600K punches above its weight and is closer to 7700X than its direct competitor 7600X in gaming and productivity. Check out hardware unboxed and Gamers Nexus for fairly in depth reviews.
All the current gen cpus even amd 5000's will provide great gaming and pc experience, after a bit of research it's difficult to make the wrong choice.
Also don't base any decisions on single comments in forums or comments sections 🙂
CPU gaming temps: Cyberpunk 2077
7700X 71°C
5800X3D - 71°C
13600k - 72°C
[Techpowerup]
(https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-13600k/23.h…)
The CPU temp itself isn't 100% the best measurement of the heat is generates. The AMD chips run hotter because they dissipate heat worse. Looking at the power generated is a better measurement, which intel is about 10% higher.
Not worth it
My i7-3770 from 2012…..still working. Why won’t it die. I think I could make it last another 10 years, still quite fast with SSD upgrades and plays all the latest games with a super old Nvidia 1080 video card.
1080 is such a beast though. Definitely doing the heavy lifting in that setup.
hehe….i'm still rocking my 3930k i bought second hand 4 years after it released.
i'll upgrade to 7950X but mostly because my system is becoming flaky due to a self done BIOS mod to boot from NVME SSD mounted on PCIE. some days it takes a few tries to boot.
I had a 3770k until last year and because I don't play games, it was fine. I did notice a bit of a performance hit when I upgraded my camera and Lightroom took a bit longer to apply some effect but generally I didn't need to upgrade but something got cocked up on my motherboard after a software update and I was forced to update.
Yeah the 5900x is leagues ahead, but the 3770k was actually doing fine for my needs. Not to mention a lot cooler and quieter
7900x for 12 cores 12 threads for almost $900, they gotta be kidding…
16 cores 16 threads sure(I'll pay the price but not for 4 less cores)hell I'll even down grade their older cpu's and let amd sweat it out for a bit.
Pricey indeed, I spent $3K on a DDR5 setup just recently from BPC Tech.
Ryzen 7950X, X670E AORUS Master motherboard, Kingston FURY Beast 64GB 6000MHz DDR5 RAM, 3090. It was well worth it over my old 5900X, X570 setup and yolo. Just waiting for the 4090 price to drop a bit and then I'll pull the trigger
In the motherboard wars I think intel's going to win back customers on the compatibility issues amd's having on their newer motherboards running ddr5, as their sockets are not backwards compatible compared to their last gen boards.
Intel may win back customers, and that's giving the customer options.
You're 100% correct. Current stage of DDR5 is a mess, long post times, RAM incompatibility despite the RAM being on the QVL list, heat issues etc, if you're good at fixing computers its not an issue though, more so a huge inconvenience lol
Why would anyone buy this one when Intel is cheaper and faster at this price point?
Plus the Intel motherboards are cheaper.
And you have the option to stick with DDR4 (but can use DDR5 if you prefer)
Idonotknowwhy
for intel you need to factor in the $500+ to custom loop water cool it. not sure even a 360mm AIO will tame the heat from a 13900k
Intel runs hotter and the LGA1700 is EOL, unlike AM5 however anyone building from scratch can get better value on Intel which will last you to 2025 before your next upgrade is required
X3D Cache should have been standard on new AM5 Ryzen. Not sure why anyone would buy into these first releases when these will be obsolete in Feb 2023
My wife is using Da Vinci Resolve to create Youtube content on a shitty 3 yo cheap lenovo laptop which is severely underpowered.
I know its not really enough, but with around $1000 to $1200 to spend, should I buy her a tower complete with guts or can I get away with a budget gaming laptop?
I'm capable of building a rig from scratch but would prefer prebuilt to save time researching parts and building. Is 2nd-hand/refurb smart or too risky?
I was gonna jump on the Black Friday sales but after reading this thread, sounds like prices are falling and Boxing Day may be better?
Get he a i5-13600 with a cheap mobo and ram, should be able to almost get it under $1k
Kinda awkward that nobodies buying the new cpus haha.