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AssociatedLkatherbalmed on 01/07/2012 - 19:04 brisbanenaturalhealth.com.au (139 clicks)
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For the month of July only we are offering you your first and second acupuncture treatment at Brisbane Natural Health for just $39 (Save $133)!!

Acupuncture can help with all kinds of conditions - from musculoskeltal pain, allergies and digestive problems to skin issues, stress and infertility.

Our acupuncturist, Jarad Bianchi is a Bachelor qualified Traditional Chinese Herbalist and Acupuncturist. Jarad gets great results with his patients, helping them to overcome their symptoms and feel good again.

Jarad is also a fertility specialist - so take advantage of this deal if you are trying to fall pregnant or are undergoing IVF or other assisted reproductive techniques.

Appointments are subject to availability and at this price will be filling up fast! Call us on 3137 9617 to make your acupuncture appointment today!

*Must have first treatment in July 2012, and second treatment no later than 4 weeks after your first appointment. Valid for new patients to acupuncture only.

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  • bargaino on 01/07/2012 - 19:19
    +5

    Lies. There is no evidence of acupuncture, or any other placebo medicine, helping with fertility.
    Though it has been shown to be beneficial for vague feelings of un-wellness.

    • pmupsinep on 01/07/2012 - 19:29
      +5

      Though it has been shown to be beneficial for vague feelings of un-wellness.

      Commonly referred to as the placebo effect…

    • Associatedkatherbalmed @ brisbanenaturalhealth.com.au on 01/07/2012 - 19:33
      -5

      Um, thanks for the comment. You must feel really passionate about it enough to post not one but 2 comments to a deal you're not interested in. Many people find acupuncture helpful for all kinds of conditions, and it is for them that this deal is posted.

      • [Deactivated] on 01/07/2012 - 19:49
        +1

        Many people do find accupuncture useful but many people don't… which is the reason why it's not classified as a medical treatment. Making claims like "Acupuncture CAN help with all kinds of conditions" reinforces that view.

        On a seperate note, I will sell 3 placebos for $39 as opposed to the OPs 2. send me a private msg for more details.

        • Panda-1 on 01/07/2012 - 20:17
          -2

          Sorry actually misread post.

      • bargaino on 01/07/2012 - 21:23
        +6

        You must feel really passionate about it

        If somebody is telling me how great some alternative therapy is for back pain, or their irritable bowel or tiredness, I smile and change the subject. But when you say you can treat infertility with placebo, that is really screwing with people's lives, and you bet I get passionate. Parasitic scum like that need to be fed cyanide, and a homoeopathic antidote.

      • jv on 01/07/2012 - 22:11
        +1

        You must feel really passionate about it

        You must be new here… :S

  • giggles on 01/07/2012 - 19:32
    +5

    I've been trying to have a baby; does this treatment overcome the fact that as a man I do not have a uterus?

    In all honesty though, if they are trained (and its not a discount for 'trainee' treatment) then this sounds like a really good offer. Accupuncture can assist with certain ailments under certain conditions (imo). Many family members have benefited from treatment, though not from this practitioner.

    • Associatedkatherbalmed @ brisbanenaturalhealth.com.au on 01/07/2012 - 19:35

      Lol thanks for the comment :)

    • Postulative on 01/07/2012 - 19:53
      +15

      Yes, I've heard people swear that a 2 week flu was gone within 14 days when they tried acupuncture.

  • Postulative on 01/07/2012 - 19:53

    One form of Complementary, Supplementary and Alternative Medicine.

    Pass, if I want fake medicine I'll drink a glass of water - it's cheaper and less unhealthy.

    By the way, do you sterilise your needles?

    • giggles on 01/07/2012 - 21:10
      -1

      durr. That is a legal requirement. I don't think it's quite 'Mengele's Needle Emporium'.

      It would go without saying that people who think accupuncture is quackery would also never benefit from chiropractic etc.

      Some people also don't believe in vaccinations or dentistry. Denial saves money in the short-term.

      • TimeOrMoney on 01/07/2012 - 23:51

        Yeah, do you know what we call an alternative medicine whose efficacy has been clinically proven?

        Medicine.

        Also, strange that you would put "chiropractic etc." in a "beneficial" light, but also diss the vaccination/dentistry "denialists". The reality is that those who practice alternative medicines are more likely to reject vaccinations.

      • Postulative on 02/07/2012 - 13:00
        +2

        There's science, and then there are SCAMS (Supplementary, Complementary and Alternative Medicine).

        Vaccinations and dentistry? Scientifically proven. Which means, for the poorly educated, that one compares the results using an adequately designed trial.

        Acupuncture and chiropractic? Quackery. No properly designed study has found their effects to be better than placebo, and yet there are still people saying "no effect found, but may be useful". WHAT?

        If you're that eager to throw your money away, I'll sell you the secret to living longer. Bargain at $4,500.

    • lplau on 01/07/2012 - 22:10
      -3

      Not always placebo. I don't know about acupuncture helping with infertility. However I do know for a fact that Chinese herbal medicine can help with infertility.

      I have a cousin which have plenty of patients which comes to him about that, and he helped them.

      Acupuncture has been proven to help with chronic muscle problems too. The western medicine practice next door to him, often refers patients to his Chinese Med Practice for those sort of issues. (And no they do not get paid royalties, just a doctor trying to help their patients).

      You may not believe it, however Chinese Med can even help with cancer, cannot cure it but can prolong life.

      Slightly different methods of healing, Western heals the symptoms but not the root cause, where as Chinese heals the root cause by boosting everything in your body to help fight the issue.

      I've been on Chinese Meds when I was small for any issues such as cold, flu etc. Since I was 10yrs old, only had 1 cold every 3 years or so, and usually only comes if I am super tired and my immune system is down.

      Needles don't get reused btw, its a use once then throw away same as western medicine's syringes.

      Paralysis can also be healed by Acupuncture, but usually requires a very skilled one. I have seen patients come in where they have half body paralysis, western doctors say "we cannot do anything about it, it is the best we can do". After 4 months of acupuncture, recovered very well, although not perfect but continuation of it made it a lot better than before.

      If it was fake medicine, do you think it would have lasted for 3000+ years? I'm sure that all the Chinese people would have become extinct if their medicine didn't work.

      And also drinking water is also part of chinese medicine, as it restores the balance in your body. If you eat too much fried stuff you usually get a sore throat, drinking heaps of water over a few days usually gets rid of it. That is because you have restored the balance.

      • jv on 01/07/2012 - 22:13
        +2

        However I do know for a fact that Chinese herbal medicine can help with infertility.

        Ha ha ha… :P

        http://www.google.com.au/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9…

      • TimeOrMoney on 02/07/2012 - 00:11
        +2

        If it was fake medicine, do you think it would have lasted for 3000+ years?

        "Yes" is the correct answer to that false rhetorical question. Traditions, religions and ideas, even those that are verifiably false, have a habit of propagating. That does not make them true.

        I'm sure that all the Chinese people would have become extinct if their medicine didn't work.

        Hmmm…

      • Postulative on 02/07/2012 - 13:03
        +3

        Try reviewing the Western medical literature from 200 years ago. Germs didn't exist! You could tell whether a person was a criminal by the lumps on their head. And magnets were a sure cure for just about everything.

        Did we all die out? No, but we discovered that medicine had lots of stupid ideas, by testing them. Eastern medicine also has lots of stupid ideas, they've been tested and found wanting, but they're "Eastern" and "ancient" so they must be right.

        Serious?

  • somethingguy on 01/07/2012 - 20:06
    +2

    I think that it is pretty poor form to make a claim without any proof, especially when it comes to people's health, and those who may be desperate for some kind of cure (or in the case of fertility, the ability to have a child).

    • jv on 01/07/2012 - 22:15
      +1

      I think that it is pretty poor form to make a claim without any proof

      maybe it can cure peanut allergies as the OP suggests above ???

    • TimOfEastBNE on 01/07/2012 - 22:18
      +1

      not only poor form, but illegal. ACCC takes a pretty strong approach as this is false advertising.

    • walugi on 01/07/2012 - 23:34

      Negs on a pubmed article. One of the only comments without a reply to it. Says a lot

      • Doey21 on 01/07/2012 - 23:46
        +1

        Sorry went to finish cooking dinner as I was writing it lol

        Edit: I'm negging it as it is uneducated use of a pubmed search and is very misleading to the public

    • Doey21 on 01/07/2012 - 23:45
      +1

      No offense 'Tafe', but an uninformed pubmed search does not convey evidence.

      Regardless, I don't think acupuncture is useless, but I HATE shame practitioners who make bogus claims that they 'may help' (that's for legal protection) in a thousand different disease states. There is absolutely no evidence supporting these claims or any scientific rationale behind it. I agree that it can be useful for lower back pain (proven to be as useful as nurofen etc and more than placebo)…but when they're making claims that prey on people's vulnerabilities (i.e. infertility), it is just wrong.

      I'm negging this purely for the fact that it is making wild unsubstantiated claims

      • walugi on 02/07/2012 - 11:14

        As opposed to your substantiated claims? He's provided evidence that does show a scientific basis whereas you have not. In this particular scenario your claims are much more unsubstantiated than his. I only see anecdotal experience in your post.

        Just pointing out the hypocrisy of all the anti acupuncture posts in this thread. I agree it does prey on vulnerabilities but you can argue most ads do. However, it's really a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

    • Postulative on 02/07/2012 - 13:08
      +1

      Where are the experimental controls in this "scientific" experiment? Where are the details of how it was conducted? How were the groups chosen? Where is the placebo group?

      I can happily design you an experiment to show that sterilisation of needles leads to poor health outcomes, but the important thing to note here is "design". You can't just look at the outcome, you have to look at how it was achieved, and the fact that people want to find something is the reason we end up with incredibly low vaccination rates in England over the last ten years - one person found what he was looking for, and ignored the evidence that showed vaccination has nothing to do with autism.

  • c64 on 01/07/2012 - 20:56
    +1

    "Acupuncture Does Not Work for IVF"
    Steven Novella!
    http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/acupuncture-doe…

  • Satoria on 01/07/2012 - 22:08

    Acupuncture is just about the only alternative medicine that has some amount of evidence behind it that shows it sometimes can be better than placebo.

    Anyway, we should be commenting on the deal more than the product. It's akin to someone negging an iPad deal thread and saying "NO YOU GUYS ARE WRONG ANDROIDS ARE BETTER." For what this is, the price is good. Even though I have no interest in acupuncture myself, I have to + it.

    • jv on 01/07/2012 - 22:16

      Anyway, we should be commenting on the deal more than the product.

      why? paying $39 and wasting money is a bargain ????

    • TimOfEastBNE on 01/07/2012 - 22:21
      +1

      accupuncture has been acknowledged to have slightly more benefit than sham treatement only for lower back pain and some kind of knee injury. for ANYTHING else, it is of absolutly no benefit (not even placebo) over no treatment at all. Yes, no benefot iver no treatment at all, not even a placebo beneft. Have a read of Dr Simon Singh's book Trick or Treatment some time, explains all alternative medicine based on results.

    • bargaino on 01/07/2012 - 22:33

      Android and iPad both work. A better analogy would be Powerbook vs P-P-P-Powerbook!

  • CheapCoffee on 01/07/2012 - 22:45
    +4

    I can't believe the amount of ignorance coming from some of you. As current student of veterinary medicine, I agree there are certain elements of 'eastern' medicine that needs more verification and evidence-based research.

    However, eastern medicine, and acupuncture in particular, can not be just simply ignored as a 'bogus'. In China, eastern medicine is often incorporated with medicine courses in Universities to produce doctors that are knowledgeable to provide better alternatives for their patients. Moreover, evidence-based studies and trials are continuously being done in Universities/Hospitals to gain more academic recognition.

    It is certainly not up to the level of research and verification in western medicine at the moment, but you have to remember that Asian people have lived with these medicinal techniques for hundreds of years. (Whereas alchemy existed in Europe until 17/18th century)

    Just hope that people have slightly more open view before saying something so definitive about this topic.

    • Molloch on 01/07/2012 - 22:55
      +4

      What? Has critical thinking been expunged from the Vet Science degree?

      People have blamed sickness, infertility and depression on everything from ghosts and spirits to the alignment of the stars - in some cases for far longer than acupuncture has been around. Just because we have done it for ages doesn't make it true. Will you be prescribing exorcism for your four legged patients?

      There is zero evidence for any alternative medicine, or for spiritual healing. When they prove effective in a study, the word "alternative" is dropped from their name. That is how you can tell the difference between reality and wishful thinking.

      • CheapCoffee on 01/07/2012 - 23:37
        +2

        What spiritual healing? Exorcism? That sounds like bogus to me, and what an exaggeration from what I said :P I was saying, Acupuncture and eastern pharmaceutical techniques have numerous papers of experimental research with controls.

        Critical thinking in medicine does not come from logics. Logics only apply to mathematics and physics. Causality and effectiveness of treatment derives from inductive reasoning. My main point was to highlight there are inductive reasoning backing eastern medicine and hence shouldn't be just ignored as bogus.

        Edit: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053811902… If you show me a researches that are as professional as these about exorcism or reading stars I'll go along with you :)

    • Postulative on 02/07/2012 - 13:12
      +2

      So vets are becoming quacks now? I'm glad I don't have to see a vet to get my health checked.

      Look at the history of Western medicine, and you will see that medicine today bears no relationship to medicine 200 years ago. Claiming "it has a history" is absolute rubbish, and relying on said history is just poor quality thinking.

      Have you been bled lately? Seen your barber about some annoying health issue?

  • lumnerjacksteve on 01/07/2012 - 22:53
    +2

    Absolute crap - Making medical claims make this post dangerous. By all means post all the airy fairy stuff you want but once you post actual medical claims for this stuff you need to back it up - and there is no back up for it.

  • Moderatorneil on 01/07/2012 - 23:18

    I don't think we are going to solve Eastern vs. Western medicine in an OzBargain thread. This deal is about $39 for 2 acupuncture sessions in Brisbane. If you are not from Brisbane, then this thread shouldn't be of interest to you. If this is good value or not, then discuss.

    Please stay on topic.

    • Molloch on 01/07/2012 - 23:37
      +3

      People are attacking the product because it has been proven not to work, and the claims made in the OP are unsubstantiated and insensitive. Products that don't work are not good value, no matter what their price or in which state they are for sale. Acupuncture in Brisbane is no more effective than acupuncture anywhere else on the planet for curing infertility. This is not good value, and the statements made in the advertised post are not accurate.

      If this was a post about a cheap knock off tablet marketed as an iPad4 equivalent or Nokia 3310 phone that said "plays HD video at 30fps", I would rightly expect someone to stand up and call on it.

      • CheapCoffee on 01/07/2012 - 23:57

        http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0015028206…

        I haven't read through the entire study so I can't say for sure, but this study from Germany (University of Witten/Herdecke) claims that Luteal-phase acupuncture has a positive effect on the outcome of IVF/ICSI.

        • Doey21 on 02/07/2012 - 01:00
          +3

          Yeah you have to pay to read it, but just because a study is published does not make it automatically 100% correct. That's why the study has to be reproduced and undergo research as to why it actually helps. One paper does not mean anything unless it has had multiple studies to provide strong evidence.

        • Postulative on 03/07/2012 - 11:09

          But it's on the internet! Are you trying to tell me I can't believe everything on the internet?

        • eug on 03/07/2012 - 11:14

          So I assume you have shelves of medical journals at home (as opposed to reading articles on the internet) with research showing that accupuncture does not do anything - even as a placebo effect? ;)

          (I don't care about accupuncture myself, I just find it amusing how people automatically attack things :)

  • mangolassi on 01/07/2012 - 23:29
    +1

    My local medical centre does acupuncture and is covered by Medicare for 5 free sessions. Why should we pay a cent to greedy scumbags when its provided for free by the government? This is worse than the Accu Chek from Chemist Warehouse.

    http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/73856

    • CheapCoffee on 01/07/2012 - 23:37

      Legitimate reason to neg. Agreed

    • Fix on 01/07/2012 - 23:59
      +2

      "free by the government"

      Yeah we don't pay for it :/

    • eug on 02/07/2012 - 02:26

      Are all private hospitals greedy scumbags as well?

      • pmupsinep on 02/07/2012 - 18:38

        Yes

        • eug on 02/07/2012 - 18:43

          OK, don't go to them, then. If everyone agrees with you that private hospitals offer exactly the same level of service, waiting time, and skill as a public hospital, they would all shut down.

  • 777 on 02/07/2012 - 00:24

    We should be supporting these kind of deals, take it our not,mdeicare and medibank do accept them
    Accupunture is really helpful as I have read the stories, if we support these deals, we may have more direct deals from businesses which can offer services like massage, reflexolgy, Dental,Chiro,Skincare,etc.
    Common, most of people like chinese traditional massage in the shopping centre, etc
    This is a deal, not that people like it or hate it. everyone has their opinion, win vs unix, iphone vs android, Holden vs Ford. I bet if you hate ford, a dealer comes and offer 5k-10k discount- that will be a hit on OZB. It is about good deal and reputation of the business.

    • Postulative on 03/07/2012 - 11:11

      Just because Medicare and Medibank accept crap doesn't mean that it's good for you. It just means that the right lobbyists have been to see the right politicians.

      And no, this isn't a Windows/Linux debate, or a Holden vs. Ford debate. With Holden vs. Ford, you know that whichever car you get will be able to deliver you to your destination. With sham medicine, you don't know whether it's going to make you sicker or, at best, be the same as a glass of water (oh wait - that's homeopathy!).

  • Rutger on 02/07/2012 - 01:10
    +1

    It can actually help some people for some conditions and that has actually been backed up with research so why bother with the bullshit? We're not over 40, we don't go to folk festivals and we certainly don't have "Magic Happens" bumper stickers so it's really not the best place to try and make unsubstantiated claims.

    On the other hand being open and honest, especially about something like this, will get you lots of brownie points, support against those who dismiss it out of hand and most importantly customers. Try it next time.

    Reflexology 777? You should be banned…

    • 777 on 02/07/2012 - 01:48

      haha ,not everyone here is less or more than 40
      yes reflexogy, my local massage place is always booked out

  • eug on 02/07/2012 - 02:49

    I don't use accupuncture myself (thank you Theracane!), but for everyone here who seems to treat all medical research or articles as irrefutable evidence, this article gives some food for thought.

    http://healthland.time.com/2010/10/20/a-researchers-claim-90…

    • incredulous on 02/07/2012 - 19:50

      Interesting article. If you follow the link to the Cochrane Collaboration site and do a search for "acupuncture", you get 473 results. I have yet to review all 473, but so far all I've gotten are things like:

      "There is not enough evidence to say whether acupuncture works" or "At this point, the effectiveness of acupuncture as a therapeutic modality for [insert illness] could not be established" or "it should be emphasised that these conclusions are made based on the findings of non-randomised controlled studies alone and therefore may not reliably support the effectiveness and use of acupuncture in this area".

      I have come across 1 review that did not follow this pattern but, unfortunately, it too was bad news for acupuncture:

      "Collectively, the studies suggest that migraine patients benefit from acupuncture, although the correct placement of needles seems to be less relevant than is usually thought by acupuncturists." (and that, BTW, is a classic description of the placebo effect.)

    • Postulative on 03/07/2012 - 11:13

      Pardon? "Researchers" claim that 90% of medical "research" is wrong? Spot the fallacious argument.

      • eug on 03/07/2012 - 11:18

        You know what the article means. You're just trying to nitpick because you don't believe anything that questions the validity of any medical research.

  • sal78 on 02/07/2012 - 06:05

    from someone that conceived 3 kids through IVF, I do think that acupuncture can assist with infertility. I know of a lot of women in my support group that did acupuncture whilst undergoing IVF and was successful. I remember that they had failed attempts and finally got a positive when they did ivf in conjunction with acupuncture.

    I tried acupuncture for the first time this year and it's amazing. Your whole body feels soothed and relaxed and you have the best sleep ever. The practitioner I see is qualified from China, very popular among the chinese community in brisbane and it's all by word of mouth. He can't speak english. I went to see him for weight loss and it worked. Took 3 weeks and the results are just unbelievable. It has been about 5mths since I did the course and I can eat whatever I want and have continued to lose weight. The 7kgs I lost is permanent fat. I am now size 8 and you can't even tell I eve had kids. It's just amazing. My tummy is completely flat…This really could be an alternative to spending 10k on tummy tucks. This treatment isn't widely known and not all acupuncturist can do this, have to be highly skilled and trained. It's becoming very popular in asia. But, even ppl who are desperate to lose weight wouldn't try this method, a lot of ppl are afraid of the needles.

    Btw,this deal is ok but if you have private health cover, u can claim back 50% of acupuncture cost so would make he 2 sessions only $10 each. Ppl with health insurance and have constant migraines, aches etc should really give acupuncture a go. I am the biggest fan now and I plan to 'tune' my body each year.

    • [Deactivated] on 02/07/2012 - 18:17
      +1

      The amazing thing about the placebo effect, is that even if you are aware it is a placebo, it is still better than nothing.

    • Postulative on 04/07/2012 - 13:36
      +1

      Correlation is not causation. "We had acupuncture and a truck drove into our house" doesn't mean the acupuncture caused the truck any more than, in your case, the pregnancy.

      Fantastic, it makes you feel good. Not so fantastic that my money (through taxes and private health insurance) helps to pay for quackery.

  • Third_Gear on 02/07/2012 - 08:47

    I have used acupuncture over the years for my knees - works the treat. I don't agree with all the other claims though…

    • TimeOrMoney on 02/07/2012 - 20:50
      +1

      I used to see an acupuncturist, then I took an arrow to the knee.

  • atlas on 02/07/2012 - 10:47
    +1

    Funnily enough I had an appointment with my remedial massage therapist today who is also a qualified acupuncture therapist.

    I've been having problems with my tension in my shoulder muscles and he suggested using some acupuncture to relieve some of the tension in the deep tissue of the shoulder.

    The theory to me seems to be sound, and I definitely feel a lot more sore today than usual. I guess the proof will be in the pudding in a couple of days once I've recovered.

    To all those hellbent on negging the subject of the deal rather than the quality of the deal I think you are in the wrong forum. This is not a forum to debate the merits of the product nor for you to espouse your personal views.

    It's no different to someone coming in to an iPhone deal and saying that the iPhone is rubbish, so get off your high horse and let people decide for themselves whether they wish to obtain the treatment themselves. People can make up their own mind as to whether or not they want this type of treatment and if so, then this may be a genuine deal for them.

    • giggles on 02/07/2012 - 11:21

      Good comment. Some people just love to cry 'fraud' for little reason than see themselves in type. Let's hope they never need alternative treatment for anything, as they won't believe in it so it wouldn't have a hope of working anyway (yes, there is a negative version of a placebo effect called misery).

      The only valid negative comment I read here pointed out that you can get some free accupuncture under gov. rebate or such, which is cheaper than the advertised deal!

      • TimeOrMoney on 02/07/2012 - 20:52
        +1

        Let's hope they never need alternative treatment for anything

        No, but I'll certainly accept real and effective treatment.

        as they won't believe in it so it wouldn't have a hope of working anyway

        That's the great thing about treatments that aren't placebos: They will work regardless of whether you believe they will work.

    • Molloch on 02/07/2012 - 12:54
      +1

      False advertising is not a matter of people making up their own minds on whether something is actually true. Facts do not change for different people based on their beliefs.

      This is not like people saying the iPhone is rubbish, it is like someone advertising a house brick as a smart phone, and a bunch of people trying to defend it because they once heard something when they put a brick up to their ear.

      • atlas on 02/07/2012 - 13:27

        So far from what I've read in this thread, no one has proven for a fact that acupuncture does not assist with IVF. At best, all they've managed to show is that studies could not measure any tangible benefit.

        On the other hand, no one has positively proven that there is a tangible benefit.

        So the FACT as you should be alluding to, is that no one can prove the statement to be right or wrong.

        The advertisement does not state or guarantee that you will have increased success with IVF. And unless you go interrogate the practitioner's patients, you can't disprove the practitioner's claim of assisting patients. As I said before, it's up to the potential customer to go research themselves, perhaps by asking past patients, as to whether it helped or not.

        Your claim that this is 'false advertising' is unjustified in my opinion. You have every right to question whether IVF is in fact assisted by acupuncture, but stating that there is zero benefit from acupuncture is beyond reason.

        Your analogy of house brick and smart phone is just plain stupid. Here you pay for acupuncture and you get acupuncture - plain and simple. What benefits flow from that and whether it's any good or not - who knows.

        • [Deactivated] on 02/07/2012 - 18:14
          +3

          and nobody has proven that it does.

          When you make a claim that there is benefit in something, the onus is on you to prove it, not on those who disagree to disprove it.

          want an example? Here we go…

          If you launch an elephant in the air on a 23 degree angle at 500km/h, while launching a monkey in the air at a 49 degree angel at 487 km/h and after 7.83 seconds fire a bullet that moves at the speed of light and hits them both… if the resulting blood splatter lands on you… you will be cured of all diseases including cancer and aids.

          Im sorry, but until you can 100% disprove it, that is a FACT.

        • Postulative on 03/07/2012 - 11:16

          You cannot prove a negative, so why expect anyone to prove that "acupuncture does not assist with IVF"?

          The fact is that there is absolutely no reliable evidence to indicate that acupuncture is at all useful.

          Please let me know how it goes when you use acupuncture as pain relief during your major bowel surgery.

  • stripe on 02/07/2012 - 11:53
    +3

    The British Fertility Society says that patients should be warned that there is no evidence that the therapy will help them to have a baby. No matter when the acupuncture was given, there was no significant effect on the rate of birth, pregnancy or miscarriage, experts who looked at 14 studies involving 2,670 women said.

    Nope.

  • mrfluffy on 02/07/2012 - 12:58
    +1

    Why is it usually women who believe in garbage like this? The modern Westernised version bears little resemblance to the traditional Chinese method, where needles are stuck deep into the source of the problem area.
    Traditional Chinese medicine is only popular in China with poorly educated peasants. Even Mao thought it rubbish and did not use it himself.

    • giggles on 02/07/2012 - 14:17

      source? (re Mao)

    • incredulous on 02/07/2012 - 20:23

      Unfortunately, Mao was in fact key to the popularization of acupuncture during his reign. Look for "Traditional medicine in modern China: science, nationalism, and the tensions of cultural change" by Ralph C. Croizier.

      Having said that, popular opinions rarely correlate with the facts (I hereby bring to your attention all those people who, for such a long time, thought that the earth was flat!)

  • porkupine888 on 02/07/2012 - 21:19
    -4

    i think condemning treatment of ANY sort, is rather low of any person. because @ the end of the day, the outcome / motive is to help others. it's pretty much like be-littling someone and their belief in a particular religion or philosophy to life. does it make you a better person to condemn them of their views or thoughts? move one, but don't find ozbargain as an avenue to whine. please..

    • TimeOrMoney on 03/07/2012 - 00:22

      Whao, calm down!

      • eug on 03/07/2012 - 00:47

        That post looks way calmer than many other posts in this deal…

    • Postulative on 03/07/2012 - 11:19

      No, the motive in this sort of "deal" is to get someone's money. In the same way as I belittle quacks, I belittle religions that are established to enable some people to obtain and maintain power over others. If it's a con, it's a con. I don't care that someone has "faith" in either the treatment of the particular form of deity, show me the evidence.

      • eug on 03/07/2012 - 11:21

        You sound like an awesome person to chat with at a party.

        Just like in The Office. "Actually, …"

        • Postulative on 04/07/2012 - 13:31

          It goes with Asperger's Syndrome:). We tend to be fairly firmly planted.

    • c64 on 03/07/2012 - 13:03
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      i think condemning treatment of ANY sort, is rather low of any person

      what a silly statement. if the treatment had good scientific evidence to support its efficacy then it wouldn't be a problem.

      in your ideal world, people would be on every street corner selling magic beans that they claim can cure every imaginable illness and yet you say it is wrong for someone to stop and ask whether the magic beans actually work?

    • Postulative on 04/07/2012 - 13:34

      No, you're saying we should just shut our eyes and let idiotic concepts prosper. If I can help one person stop wasting their money on fads, religions and idiocies I feel I will have made an improvement to the world.

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