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  Tee Rex Arms on 03/01/2023 - 20:40

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  Mr Worldwide

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  eyepeefreely on 03/01/2023 - 20:42

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  Is this the stuff homer used?

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    Jimothy Wongingtons on 03/01/2023 - 20:47

    Anti gravity boots no longer required

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    star-ggg on 04/01/2023 - 00:32

    Dimoxinil

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  BBF on 03/01/2023 - 20:53

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  Monoxidil extra strength at only 5%. That's lame. 15% is the good stuff. Don't waste your money on diluted juice.

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    Jacobakaclarence on 03/01/2023 - 20:55

    I've never seen 15%? I don't think that's what's recommended medically?

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      muwu on 03/01/2023 - 21:08

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      Can confirm.

      Therapeutic guidelines (and all my readings on study-derived articles and analyses) recommend the prescription of 5% formulations. I haven't seen other concentrations, personally. There aren't studies (at least certainly not at a meta- level) to suggest concentrations higher than 5% have any greater therapeutic benefit, and may only increase risk of topical absorption and the incidences of it's side-effect profile with systemic bioavailability.

      Beyond this topical 5% application, there is some data on the use of oral minoxidil. It is relatively scant, and not recommended by therapeutic guidelines. In these cases, variable low doses between 0.25mg and 5mg have been used, with a rough consensus falling to 0.25 - 2.5mg for females, and 2.5 - 5mg for males.

      Then, on another topic, the use of oral finasteride (or alternatively dutasteride) is the other mainstay on therapeutic guidelines for androgenetic alopecia.

      I personally use topical minox (5%) nocte along with an oral dose 2.5mg mane, as well as finasteride 1mg daily.

      I would medically recommend this regimen as the maximum for men, with small alterations depending on personal preference. For women, I would recommend the smaller doses of minox, as well as considering spironolactone as the alternative to finasteride.

      Source: MBBS

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        Jacobakaclarence on 03/01/2023 - 21:14

        Sounds like what my doc recommended. I do 5% min, 1-2 times per day (miss some days)… Fin 1.25mg X 4 days a week. Bit scared of Finasteride side effects.

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          muwu on 03/01/2023 - 21:29

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          @Jacobakaclarence: Sounds very reasonable.

          Therapeutic guidelines actually state 5mg weekly as one of it's dosing suggestions for finasteride (the other two being 1mg daily, and 1.25mg daily). The reason why 1.25mg daily and 5mg weekly exist as suggestions is because it's common practice to get the 5mg tab prescribed (it's the only one on PBS, the 1mg tab isn't) and these dosing regimens are practical ways to administer with a 5mg product. That they exist in equal footing with the common 1mg daily recommendation is as good a sign as anything to suggest that the therapeutic effect is the same if not very similar. The 1mg tab is more for the "Hair Clinics" to peddle at an extreme price mark-up, whereas the 5mg tab off-label is for those focusing on effect > marketing.

          I personally have 5mg tabs prescribed, quarter into 1.25mg and take over 5 days (one skip day), to mimic the maximum recommended 1mg daily as close as possible, and would suggest no one takes a dose greater than this.

          Watch out for side-effects in the first few months, which will very likely not affect you.

          Symptoms of sexual dysfunction are the oft talked about and feared - they are rare (1-2%), not apparent at 12-18mo follow-up in studies (i.e. they are short-term only), and are readily reversible with cessation. Be careful of personal accounts that incite fear that it is irreversible, which is not true - symptoms of sexual dysfunction are multi-factorial and have numerous much more common causes and aetiologies compared to medication side-effects. Personal accounts of persisting symptoms are likely related to confounding factors with temporal overlap.

          Other side-effects can be gynaecomastia (i.e. glandular growth in the breast tissue). It is very rare. It is minor when it occurs. Weight control and resistance exercises can mitigate the side-effect. In an extreme hypothetical case, resections to correct is an option.

          Another side-effect is an exacerbation of major depression, with associated suicidal ideation or risk. It is very rare. It occurs in those with underlying major depression or other signficant psychiatric conditions, with numerous other multi-factorial causes at play. It is reversible with cessation, which is always recommended.

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            Jacobakaclarence on 03/01/2023 - 21:34

            @muwu: Yeah the generic 5mg is much better value. I did 1.25mg X3 per week for a year now on x4. None of those side effects noticed. Thoughts on rosemary oil?

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              muwu on 03/01/2023 - 21:43

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              @Jacobakaclarence:

              Thoughts on rosemary oil?

              I have heard nothing.

              There really isn't anything other than minox and fin to warrant your time looking into.

              But I have (it's a passion topic I have a personal and professional desire to be comprehensive with).

              Ketoconazole is a topical antifungal used in pharmaceutical shampoos at a 2% concentration to control dandruff when more common/popular formulations (e.g. Head & Shoulders) are not effective enough in intractable cases. There is some data, little and minor, to suggest it can assist with androgenetic alopecia. I use a bottle along with a more conventional (and fragrant) shampoo.

              Microneedling, such as with a dermaroller, is another that has some data, little and minor, that can assist with androgenetic alopecia. I abandoned after a 3-4mo trial, due to follicular trauma (pulling hairs, scalp erythema) and a perception of likely very little benefit for the effort.

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        Danneo on 03/01/2023 - 21:50

        Thoughts on drinking topical minoxidil? Ofc using a measuring dripper or something to control the amount of minoxidil

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          muwu on 03/01/2023 - 22:11

          @Danneo: Incorrect formulation. Use tablets.

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            Danneo on 04/01/2023 - 19:59

            @muwu: I saw people on reddit ‘drinking’ it lol
            Either way you are taking in minoxidil right?

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              muwu on 04/01/2023 - 20:36

              @Danneo:

              Either way you are taking in minoxidil right?

              No.

              The only known similarity between the products is the active constituent, in this case minoxidil.

              Potential differences include: compound used for the active ingredient, amount or concentration of the active ingredient, and all of the many non-active constituents that play numerous different roles in it's preparation and route delivery.

              It's likely to be inappropriate for at least one or a few reasons, if not entirely unable to be absorbed, and/or have potentially adverse effects.

              Take all medications in the formulation they are intended.

              Nursing have great handbooks for information on this (e.g. Mims), as they're principally responsible for drug administration in healthcare settings.

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        chengies83 on 04/01/2023 - 12:27

        i spoke to my GP about this just yesterday but he said that oral minoxidil can only be prescribed by a dermatologist so I've now got a referral letter. Is that your experience too? Do repeat scripts have to come from a dematologist too?

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          muwu on 04/01/2023 - 14:06

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          @chengies83: The same thing happens with finasteride - because it's an off-label indication, many GPs won't have the specialised experience to consider it appropriate for them and their role to be prescribing.

          I got both of my prescriptions - finasteride 5mg and minoxidil 10mg - by being very clear with how I dose and being confident in my regimen for androgenetic alopecia with my GP. No doubt it assists my case being a doctor myself. Depending on costs and waiting times, it may be worth getting a second opinion (and having a second discussion) with another GP.

          Oral minoxidil in particular is a very uncommon medication, as it's label indication, hypertension, it's rarely used for (and typically only by a cardiologist), and it has a side-effect profile, at higher and more typical doses for hypertension (10-40mg), that is not as acceptable as most of the other many antihypertensive types of medication available.

          Know that once you have a prescription, with repeats, they will last several years at these low doses before needing another script.

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            chengies83 on 04/01/2023 - 14:17

            @muwu: @muwu thanks for your reply. I've been taking finasteride for about 15 years now and doing BD topical minoxidil with good effects. However topical minoxidil can be a pain in the butt, dries the scalp, can get messy, gets on the pillow, can't get hair wet after application (which affects swimming, and other sweat inducing activity) and then theres the $$. Just thought I'd investigate the oral version which I hear has good efficacy minus all the issues I mentioned above. I would expect the oral version to be cheaper than topical?

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              muwu on 04/01/2023 - 15:27

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              @chengies83: That's a typical story for topical minox. It has some friction point for most users - time/effort to apply bd every day, greasiness, messy, affecting styling, interfering with daily activities. Most patients have waning compliance eventually.

              I'm very faithful to a regimen but even I was getting sick of the mane dose because it wasn't giving me complete freedom with styling. Part of the reason I adopted the oral form in combination, and as a result uptitrated to a maximum of 2.5mg daily because I also have a single nocte topical application (i.e. I won't uptitrate to 5mg daily because I consider having reached the maximum already and this will reduce my side-effect risk by limiting the oral bioavailability).

              In terms of cost, it's pretty good because it lasts a long time. Probably a bit better than topical (though both are relatively economical). Let me do some quick bush math…

              A bottle of oral minoxidil (Loniten) off-label is about private ~$40-50. Let's say $45.

              There are 100 tablets. If you're male you will likely uptitrate to 2.5 to 5mg daily. Let's say 2.5mg. So that's x400 (!!) doses per bottle.

              $45 / 400 = 11.25¢ per day

              A bottle of Kirkland topical minoxidil I consider a good reseller price to be ~$11-13 per bottle. Let's say $12.

              60mL bottles will be x60 doses, which with bd doses will be 30 days long.

              $12 / 30 = 40¢ per day (or 20¢ per day for daily dosing)

              Okay so a cost ratio of up to x.3.5 is a lot. But that's relative. In absolute terms, are you concerned about a 40¢ per day cost. As I explained above, if you can adhere to some topical dosing that works for you and limit the oral dosing, you're making a healthier decision regarding side-effect risk at a neglible increase cost.

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                chengies83 on 05/01/2023 - 15:26

                @muwu: Thanks for the cost analysis there! Just a question regarding your comment: "I personally have 5mg tabs prescribed, quarter into 1.25mg and take over 5 days (one skip day), to mimic the maximum recommended 1mg daily as close as possible, and would suggest no one takes a dose greater than this." Is it an problem if I just take the quarter tablet daily? I have been doing this for 15 years and haven't had any issues. I get a PSA done every year just to make sure…Its hard to skip a day every 5 days and to keep track of when to skip the next dose!

                "I personally use topical minox (5%) nocte along with an oral dose 2.5mg mane, as well as finasteride 1mg daily." Thanks for this recommendation. I'll ask my determologist about this regime when I see him.

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                  muwu on 05/01/2023 - 17:59

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                  @chengies83:

                  Is it an problem if I just take the quarter tablet daily?

                  It'll be fine. There won't be an appreciative difference. Go ahead.

                  That's a personal comment on my behalf. The vast majority of the studies use 1mg dosing, so that's where the data lies. I probably carry a smidgen of guilt that I use low dose anti-androgren medication for a cosmetic reason, so I've set myself rationalised limits/maximums. Part of the reason is because I've perceived since adolescence that I carry a little bit of gynaecomastia (no one else has ever commented or agreed when asked), so I have a little internal battle between whether I've always had a bit or glandular tissue that doesn't give me a traditional flat chest or it's worsened slightly with medication. The answer for me is going to be better adherence to a fitness and weight resistance regimen.

                  I skip the 5th day by keeping a piece of paper in the medication box and marking the skip day down between tablets.

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          Danneo on 04/01/2023 - 19:59

          @chengies83: Alldaychemist

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    x x on 03/01/2023 - 20:59

    Where do you get 15% minox foam?

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  theboyboy on 03/01/2023 - 21:00

  Prefer the Foam, this shit makes you look like a greasy goblin.

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    SuperLate on 03/01/2023 - 21:27

    +2

    Liquid formulations are known to give better results than foam.

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  muwu on 03/01/2023 - 21:11

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  I get Kirkland for a similar price, maybe closer to ~$11-13/bottle, from resellers on eBay. It represents a large saving compared to retail Regaine/Rogaine which can be at best ~$18-20/bottle if caught on relatively seldom sales. There's not enough of a saving here to warrant trying this generichealth brand, and I have historic confidence with Kirkland and it's resellers.

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    Jacobakaclarence on 03/01/2023 - 21:51

    Good to note, I have used a couple different ones from chemist warehouse, not quite this price

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    theory on 04/01/2023 - 01:49

    360ml of Kirkland from the reseller I have been buying from is $84.90 now. This is actually quite a saving but as it expires Jan 24 it's of no use to me.

    From my research everyone's just selling the same stuff with a different name. I'll stick with Kirkland but for anyone wanting to try I think this is a pretty good deal.

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  jruderwier on 03/01/2023 - 21:16

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  Thanks for this, I've been tearing my hair out looking for a good price

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    PresidentClinton on 03/01/2023 - 21:22

    Hahaha

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  madreece on 03/01/2023 - 21:56

  But does it work?

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    muwu on 03/01/2023 - 22:10

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    Yes, to answer your qualitative question.

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      madreece on 03/01/2023 - 22:15

      Thanks. Does it just slow loss or is there real re-growth.

      Just asking for a friend :)

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        muwu on 03/01/2023 - 23:12

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        Variable by person.

        Generally: These two approved medications for androgenetic alopecia (finasteride > minoxidil) often result in partial, sometimes full, sometimes neglible, "regrowth" (or, rather, reversal of miniaturization of the follicle to it's terminal phase, i.e. "thicker") at the vertex (top or crown of the scalp) at initiation of treatment (within 2 to 6 months), but often have little to no effect on temporal recession (frontal hairline). The alopecia remains a progressive condition - the pattern of hair loss will continue, but essentially from an earlier phase and in a retarded (slower) fashion.

        It can be the difference between being a bald 20- or 30-something year-old and having most of your hair save for a variable degree of temporal recession, which can be very amenable to styling. You're still likely to have a typical pattern of male baldness in your middle to middle-late age, perhaps a bit less than without medication but unlikely to be as amenable to styling. Middle to middle-late age usually need to consider hair transplantation methods to achieve similar results to medications at earlier ages.

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          madreece on 04/01/2023 - 07:32

          @muwu: Thanks for the taking the time to give a clear reply.

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  squall3031 on 04/01/2023 - 06:02

  I just wanna try one bottle first but $19 for one bottle is too expensive.

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    Yola on 04/01/2023 - 09:07

    +3

    Really, many pay a lot more to save their hair.

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  shoppe on 04/01/2023 - 11:19

  Good gift for a person who has everything?

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    Yola on 04/01/2023 - 11:44

    Except hair.

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      shoppe on 05/01/2023 - 01:01

      +1

      Yes, money can't buy you taste, or hair. But maybe a wig or a transplant from A and M.

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  Nedkellyinthebush on 04/01/2023 - 15:25

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  Should bundle up with viagra